A Statement Regarding Romine v. Stanton

As some of you know, the lawsuit against me is continuing. James Romine amended his complaint to comply with the judge’s request that he either seek a lawyer to pursue a suit against me on behalf of Digital Homicide, or amend the lawsuit so it is not about the LLC he tanked by attempting to sue hundreds of anonymous people on the Internet.

Romine has taken the latter option, and continues to not only accuse me of libel, but of directing criminal harassment against him. Such evidence of this “direction” includes Operation Cleanlight, a program I instated to highlight good games on Steam Greenlight and talk about why I find them appealing. It also includes The Steam Cleaner, a comedic vigilante alter-ego in a leather plague doctor mask that I introduced while talking about underhanded cottage markets in Steam’s Greenlight community.

It is my personal opinion that – of those portions of the amended lawsuit we may deem comprehensible – the charges are convoluted and possess such an intense degree of flimsiness, no word currently exists to convey quite how flimsy they are.

According to what one can yank from the tangled mess of words and poorly scanned images, James Romine wants $15,326,000. All I’ll say to that is this:

When this is all over, I’ll consider reimbursing you the $1.00 a month you claim to give me on Patreon in order to “prove” I do business in Arizona.

  • Andrzej Sugier

    Is this 15 mil supposed to be lost sales and personal harm? Boy, the Romino Bros think highly of themself, if it wasn’t already obvious

    • Alex Wheatley

      If it’s anything like the original filing, it’s several million for lost sales (calculated by extrapolating their month-one growth linearly for, like, a year, and assuming they’d be able to keep their prices at the original $10-15 they were before this all started), a few million for physical and emotional damages (i.e. the pain and loss he’s suffered from being a hackjob game developer) and a few million in “punitive damages”, which is legalese for “extra we add on just as a punishment”.

      • MM

        “extra we add on just as a punishment”.
        You mean deterrent.

        • Alex Wheatley

          Both, actually. It’s partly to punish the defendant (punitive means “intended as a punishment”), and partly to deter others from the same course of action.

          • MM

            So it’s not “just as” : )
            But yea, it’s both.

  • Sperium3000

    Jesus, why is anyone taking those guys seriously? They are nobodies and are in the wrong. Case closed.

    • I’m Jim Sterling in the sheets, James Stanton on the streets.

      I don’t know what that means.

      • Wolfie

        It means you one bad mofo out for vengeance. *cue 80s’ show theme*

        • BAH!

          A rogue cop with nothing to lose!

          • Wolfie

            Damn it, Jim! You can’t keep going after these lowlife developers all the time! I don’t care if you can cover your ass, you’re rocking the boat. You listen to me, Stanton. You’re too much of a wild card, and I don’t like it!

          • Артемий Андреев

            You forgot “the mayor is on my ass”

      • Caven

        You wear togas and stay on the sidewalk, maybe?

      • Sperium3000

        Eh, it means what we want it to mean.

        • Sperium3000

          On another note, isn’t it weird that “Jim” is apparently short for “James”? I mean, where does that “i” come from? Shouldn’t it be “Jam Sterling”? Well, that either sounds like a breakfast product or a porn star.

      • DrunkenLoliTankCommander-chan

        Everyone needs a secret identity.

  • RuRiK_87

    15 mil? you can tell just by the amount he is asking that this dude doesnt have an ounce of common sense.

  • Just Some Guy

    Haven’t you retained a lawyer to deal with all this from the start? In which case, why not counter-sue to get reimbursed the costs associated with this frivolous lawsuit?

    • Caven

      That would just cost him more money to get a payout that James Romine probably won’t be able to pay.

  • Deena
  • Alex Wheatley

    I really want to know how – how on earth – he’s detached himself from Digital Homicide LLC (which he must have done to have refiled without legal representation), but he’s *still* trying to claim $15m all on his own – indicating that James Romine has personally suffered every penny of loss himself, and neither his company nor his brother actually got harmed.

    Yeah…this will probably take Jim’s legal team an afternoon to tear apart.

  • no name

    He even knows the Steam Cleaner? Must be a huge fan.

  • Yaster Goodman

    Through all of this, I can’t help but think of that time one of these guys said he has a kid.

    There is no justice.

    • Molly

      I know… I think about it too sometimes. It’s depressing thinking about how someone with so little common sense is attempting to raise a child. 🙁

      “Remember, Billy, if someone at school says they don’t like your crayon drawing and tells someone else they don’t like it, always threaten the fuck out of them, all of their friends, and tell the teacher that somebody needs to kick him out of school repeatedly until something happens”

    • diamond

      Three kids actually, I hope his wife divorces him and takes full custody.

      • Talib Zeine

        I believe his wife was the one who pushed and coached him into pursuing a lawsuit.

        Wild dogs roam in packs.

        • diamond

          Then I hope those kids get taken away from those two by DCFS.

          • qorl123

            Come on man, that’s a bit harsh

        • Jasper Theo

          There’s a “bitch” joke in there somewhere…

        • Daniel Jensen

          *raises eyebrow* where did you get that info from? Much as I hate the Romines at this point, there’s no need to make shit up about them…

  • Thom

    Just think how much time and money Romine could’ve saved if he had taken a few more game development courses. Opportunity costs, people.

    • The Outsider

      That’s assuming he would actually take anything valuable away from those courses. Considering this is the path he’s chosen for himself, I have my doubts it would’ve benefited him in any way whatsoever.

      • Thom

        Well, true enough. There’s plenty of scammy sounding online courses and he’d probably open his wallet for all of them.

    • Adam Robert Sherman

      Apparently, one of DH’s last efforts, Dungeons of Kragmar, Jim actually enjoyed.

      • drownedsummer

        From what I’ve read though beyond the initial effort they didn’t do much more with it.

        • InfamousDS

          On GoG, I wound up there for some reason to read about this, one person quoted them from a public statement.

          According to it: They put real effort into Kragmor, and it was the least profitable game they ever released. Despite mixed positive praise and a lot less shit-posting after Jim’s pleasant reaction. It’s failure was one of the driving factors behind the lawsuit actually being brought to court, since their reputation was “irreparably ruined” by Jim and other people. They could, quite literally, only make money by selling zero-effort games.

        • Daniel Jensen

          As has been said, they released a statement saying “We tried making a good game, it didn’t work, therefore you’re all stupid for telling us not to make shovelware”.

          I don’t know if InfamousDS is right that that failure led to the lawsuit, but that was definitely the point where they threw their hands up and just churned out as much crap as possible to generate Card Farming revenue.

    • qorl123

      I think the only money romine spent was 400 bucks

  • The Outsider

    Don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m kind of glad he continued this instead of stopping it. We all know how this is going to end: With one very embarrassed broke d-d-d-developer.

  • Muddy Scarecrow

    The scariest thing about this clown and his brother is that they believe they are completely in the right. Remember that kickstarter they tried to get legal fee money with? People were like “how could these asshats actually think that would work?” Because they think that anyone who disagrees with their practices is one of Jim’s fans coming to attack them. In the insane world they’ve constructed in their minds the entire world agrees with them. I swear to god that coupled with the fact that they have no fucking idea how the legal system works leads me to believe that this is a Blast From The Past starring Brendan Fraser situation. That they have been living in a nuclear bunker for the past 30 years and are just now out and about and interacting with the world.

    • Nitrium

      That’s still up! They have $450 now.

  • Best of luck to you Jim!

    I just hope giving a statement won’t be used against you in court.

    • Considering I’m more than happy to use this statement myself in court, it’s not a problem.

      I would say all of this before a judge, after apologizing profusely for the whole case wasting a professional’s time.

      • Talib Zeine

        Jim, I just wanted to wish you luck and the best.

        I also hope that you look into your own safety in the aftermath of this event.

        I’ve personally witness a frivolous lawsuit just like this one get destroyed in court.

        After the chips hit the table, the man’s wife divorced him, took the kids, the house, everything. He blamed the man he wrongfully accused, and planned a premeditated murder but thankfully the police were on to him.

        I’m not saying this will happen, I hope it NEVER comes to that, but please look out for yourself and your family. The Romine’s are nut jobs.

        I know you deal with death threats all the time, but these guys are so stupid it frightens me.

      • diamond

        PLEASE review Mass Effect Andromeda!

        • MJC

          Why would you think you need to ask a game reviewer to review one of the year’s most major releases? What on earth makes you think he’d skip it?

          • diamond

            He hinted he might in one of the PQ episodes.

      • TheMagicLemur

        I imagine it’s gotta be a LITTLE tempting to reiterate the offer to let them cry if they stop — in court — but I respect your professional restraint.

      • Caven

        Never apologize for something that is somebody else’s fault. It implies at least some measure of responsibility for someone else’s mistake, and James Romine would probably try to use it to “prove” that you somehow did something wrong. Besides, it isn’t really a waste of time if a failed lawsuit makes other developers think twice about filing frivolous lawsuits. If nothing else, you’ll basically be recognized as Jim Fucking Sterling, son.

        • Lysere

          I’m hoping that somehow, Jim will be able to get the judge to call him that. Like you’ll read the records years later and it’ll be there in print.

          Jim Fucking Sterling son.

  • Molly

    I knew he was going to refile and not let it go, but… he’s not amending anything else? Really? I’m starting to feel bad for laughing at his stuff at this point; clearly he must have some sort of mental issues if he’s not only opting to continue, but to continue with the “no legal representation” route.

    I mean, come on, at this point I’m sure Jim has enough “enemies” that would love to see Jim lose this case to the point that they would want to fund the lawyer… does he not know how to find the right people? Has he wasted so much of his time sifting through Jim’s videos and articles and not tried to look for people in his own boat? There are others and even if they are unable to sue on their own, they could donate for a lawyer for Romine. The only real reason getting help didn’t work the first time was because he let the wrong people know about it.

    • Drake Warnock

      If I recall he tried to start some kind of crowdfunding campaign but that fell through for obvious reasons.

  • Gendreavus

    And here I thought the circus act was over! I know you’ve been advised to be a bit tight-lipped on this whole business Jim; is there anywhere we can go to follow the proceedings ourselves, or is this still the best place?

    • Nitrium

      It’s all public record. You can just Google the case (I won’t post exact links since that might annoy Jim).

  • marvelator

    Honestly I’m surprised that Digihom had the nerve/testes to bring this whole thing this far. ‘Someone said something I didn’t like so I’ll sue them’ sounds like the kind of thing someone says while monumentally drunk, but apparently the Romines decided to keep the charade going even after they sobered up.

    • Talib Zeine

      It doesn’t take balls to run up a lawsuit that ultimately goes no where but the bucket, it takes a sheer and uncompromising lack of intelligence.

      • marvelator

        Let’s settle on saying that it probably takes liberal amounts of both.

        • Talib Zeine

          We can settle on the Romines being as dumb as tits on a bull are useless.

          • marvelator

            Hear hear!

    • Benj

      I think it takes just as much balls to publicly admit that you were wrong and apologise with dignity… it also takes brains and integrity which DigiHom clearly don’t have.

    • Sam

      I don’t think nerve had much to do with it, I think he’s just one of those people who never really learned and accepted how the world works, and now moves through life believing A) he’s always the righteous one, and B) since he’s righteous everything will always work out for him in the end.
      There are a surprising lot of people like him in the world. I don’t know what produces them save for being brought up in a highly privileged, walled-off environment.

    • drownedsummer

      I don’t think it should be that surprising they’re pretty much the ultimate example of ‘small name, big ego’

  • Does the central thrust of his argument still rely on appealing to state laws in a federal court?

  • Talib Zeine

    To quote Denzel Washington in his statement on fake media, “We live in a society now where it’s just first, who cares, get it out there. We don’t care who it hurts. We don’t care who we destroy. We don’t care if it’s true. Just say it, sell it.”

    The Romines accused Jim of doing this exact thing to their person, when in ironic reality, they did it to Jim for reporting the truth.
    Romines are basically that kid in 3rd grade, who steals the lunch money out of your coat, announces he did it to everyone, laughs and smirks about it, and then when you give him the beat down of his life at recess, he cries foul to the teacher.

    • Helavatar

      The best part is that it isn’t Romaines but Romaine. James Romaine didn’t have the support of his brother on this case. And this made the case more suspicious. Leonard French pointed this out in his overview. Because James Romaine sued Jim personally not as DHS but he claimed that ALL the “damage” Jim did to DHS was inflicted to his person. So go figure. And now judge told Romaine that he has to prove that DHS LLC is his alter ego. I also liked the bit where judge explained why someone would set up an LLC rather than other form of business. (:

      • Lloyd

        Hard for me to believe that James didn’t have his brothers support on this, even if he’s officially part of the lawsuit. In one of Jim’s videos on DigiHom, he said that Robert personally called him with a “non-threat” of litigation and that his brother was on board with it. Even if not true, I’ve heard the “interview” with Robert and to say he’s not a voice of reason would be the understatement of the millennia.

  • TJ Barke

    Leonard French on youtube has some good rundowns on this stuff.

    • Wolfie

      For those interested:

      https://www (DOT) youtube (DOT) com/watch?v=m0_Kio4XcYE

    • b-rom

      I second that. You should all check out Leonard’s videos on this, as well as some of his others on copyright law and the lawsuits that it produces. I appreciate what he does, and want to see him do well.

  • Benj

    James Romine is probably the only person in the world with a poorer understanding of the American legal system than Donald Trump.

    • Nitrium

      and also shares the same irrational and dogged determination to “win”.

      • TheMagicLemur

        For people like that, they ignore the “Pyrrhic” part of “Pyrrhic victory”.

    • qorl123

      Speaking of which, did trump really say the judge’s ruling on his decree will be overturned, somehow?

      • Benj

        No, he decided to sit down and think calmly and reflectively about the situation before consulting with independent experts before offering a cautious and measured response…

        Is it possible to overdose on sarcasm?

  • Christ, he just doesn’t know when to cut his losses and give up, does he?

    • Benj

      From the DigiHom interview:

      Sterling: You owe it to yourself to maybe let this go.

      Romine: NO! I don’t have to let shit go!

      …yeah

      • qorl123

        Well I feel even less sorry for him now

      • Sperium3000

        Was that really in there? I don’t remember it, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

        • Benj

          It was towards the end so I definitely don’t blame you for not remembering it. I had to listen to the “interview” thing in 3 seperate sittings to get through it without getting depressed.

    • Anton

      Speaking of losses, how is he managing to keep the clown show going for so long?

      • 09philj

        Loan sharks.

        • RedWolf

          Wouldn’t surprise me. He’d probably try and sue them for harassment and emotional distress when they come round demanding their money.

  • Wolfie

    I can only imagine what this feels like for you Jim. And to that end, I think I figured out the perfect analogy.

    Welcome to Mr. Bone’s Wild Ride! THE RIDE NEVER ENDS.

  • Terriosaurus Hex

    Is this guy representing himself or does he have a lawyer? I can’t see any lawyer that wouldn’t put a hand on his shoulder and sternly say ” stop now, think, there is nothing for you at the end of this road. As your lawyer and begrudging acquaintance, it is in everyone’s best interest if you could please just
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb1c2b902ad6349e62f6c3d27d5719516f4ecb53c8d9ae35b0b49f874dc1da75.jpg

    • Appretaur

      I think it’s more apt to repost an Apollo Justice quote from the most recent Ace Attorney game verbatim:

      “If anyone needs to learn to ‘let it go and move on,’ it’s this guy.”

    • Caven

      He’s representing himself.

  • George

    Good luck Jim! I hope for your success.

    And I want you to know that the content that you (and staff) produce gives me a great deal of joy, happiness and thought provoking enrichment. Especially if I’m starting to fall into an episode of depression. Your show gives me a way to stop ruminating and break out of it.
    I don’t always agree with everything you say but I have great deal of respect for you as an artist and writer. Thank you.

  • Sam

    There are a lot of strange people in the world.
    I’m genuinely fascinated if there is something diagnosably wrong with his noggin, or if it’s just major personality issues. And if the latter, what happens in one’s development to result in that.
    It could be that now that his publisher has crumbled around him, he’s just clinging to Jim Sterling as the most visible aspect of his crooked business’ obstacles, and now feels that the only way to take control of his life back is to defeat Jim in some way.

  • John

    Literal actual crazy person James Romine: “He said people shouldn’t buy games from me because I make bad
    games.”

    Jim Fucking Sterling Son: “Your Honour, I present a laptop containing the Slaughtering Grounds.”

    Rabid baboon man James Romine: “As you can see, there are a variety of maps, guns and enemies I bought from an asset store with my own money.”

    If you want a taste of Romine’s genius intellect go here and listen for a couple of minutes: youtu (dot) be/zhjXfAikKaY?t=48m11s

    • CyanManta

      And, as my brother rightly points out, the gunshot sound effect is just fine.

  • Sperium3000

    If anyone want an expert opinion about Digital Homicides’ legal shanenigans, look up “Leonard French” on youtube. Guy’s an actual copyright lawyer and he’s done some videos where he examines the case and why Romine is out of his fucking gourd.

    • Kevin Wilson

      Thanks for that. Interesting learning a little about how these cases are handled

    • Salador

      His latest spells out why this lawsuit is such a bad idea.

      “It’s not illegal to have an opinion.”

      • Lloyd

        “I’m allowed to say you suck.” That pretty much sums it all up.

        • “I feel bad for him. Because if you put this much effort into making good games he could probably make his games better.” is the other good one from that latest video.
          Too bad the irony is totally lost on Romine.

          • drownedsummer

            Sadly the one time they did it Didn’t work out successful for them. Yes, they are responsible for that as at that stage people weren’t forgiving even after Jim stated he somewhat liked it. What they took away from that was when do put more effort in it doesn’t lead to a better result for us so why try?

          • Lloyd

            From what I understand that game still had a lot of bugs that they either couldn’t or wouldn’t fix, chasing away what few players they could garner. Of course it’s a fact of life that no matter how much time and effort you put into something it may still be a critical and/or commercial failure. That they took it as reason to stop trying shows how little they cared about making games and just wanted easy money.

    • Fallen Prime

      I was about to search “Leonard Church.” If I’d gone through with it, I’d be delving through Red vs Blue clips rather than getting my ass educated.

  • Rob

    $15,326,000? I say you give him half.
    *OF NOTHING*.

  • Camilo Fernández

    This is utter madness, I don’t know how you deal with it (although I’m going to guess Boglins and dildos).
    Keep up the good work, RESIST.

  • Kevin Wilson

    I understand you might not want to comment on this case or what you might intend to do in future, but if this case gets thrown out or doesn’t go to trial, will you be counter-suing to reclaim any legal fees?

    Despite this being a laughable case, the time, money and stress must be substantial

    • Will Bertazzo

      I doubt Romine will have any money left that will be worth Jim’s time.

  • RedWolf

    Oh come on, this fucker just can’t let it go. I can only hope that the people who make the verdict (whoever does that in this kind of case) see how much of a cretin James Romine is and rightly rule in favour of Jim. Romine doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

  • Randy Markin

    The case will clearly end up being thrown out. James Romine doesn’t seem to understand the difference between opinion and fact, plus it’s not really that his games are bad. It was the fact that he harassed Jim and threatened him. If DH/Jame Romine either learned from his mistakes and moved on with his life or took this much time to improve himself and his games. I’m sure they wouldn’t be bankrupt right now.

    Plus the whole trying to sue hundreds of people on steam and ending up going bankrupt just made the guy look like a complete idiot. I do feel kind of bad for them, but in the end they’ve essentially brought this on their selves. Like Lenard French pointed out, what James Romine are doing now are the tactics of a clearly desperate person grasping at straws.

    • Mitchell

      “James Romine doesn’t seem to understand the difference between opinion and fact”
      Him and a huge portion of America (humanity?).

  • Chürz

    You should sue him back once he loses, for harassment. As we say in Spanish, “donde las dan, las toman”.

    • RedWolf

      I guess that means something along the lines of “An eye for an eye”, or I’ve got that completely wrong.

      • Mauricio

        More to the spirit of: “if you keep asking for it, you will get it” .

        • Salador

          That’s not how any of the Spanish women I’ve met acted.

          • Mauricio

            That’s on a diferent context :P.

            It’s like: “if you keep showing your midle finger to everyone you meet, you will find someone willing to punch your face”.

            XD

          • Salador

            That explains a lot.

        • RedWolf

          Got it. Thanks.

  • Ernesto Prishker

    You must make a precedent. Please counter sue this fucker so he won’t try to sue the little guys like me later on. Thank God for you, Jim.

  • Viking Mana

    They literally did all of this to themselves. They only had to accept that some dude had played their game, and didn’t enjoy it, but they couldn’t. Instead, they decided to take the immature route, and made that whole “Review of the review”-video, and that’s what got the ball rolling.
    Seriously, go watch Jim’s original video on Slaughtering Grounds. Nothing of what he says is put out as a targeted insult, directed at the creators themselves. He’s only talking about their (Shitty) product.
    Are they really so blind, or so lost in this narrative of being victims, that they can’t see how they were the ones who were harassing Jim? That “Review of the review”-video is filled with far more targeted, personal insults, libel, slander and targeted harassment than anything Jim ever did to them.

    It’s not that I want to look like a mindless, protective fanboy. I’m just really curious as to why a pair of failed bullies, who can’t handle their games being called shit, but also can’t be arsed to actually try and make something decent, would go this far. I have to assume that it’s a matter of stubborn pride. An overwhelming desire not to be labeled as failures. This whole lawsuit is based entirely on a self-destructive knee-jerk reaction to criticism.

    I mean, for gods sake.. 60 games in 2 years, and several of them are literally just copies of one another, with slightly altered visuals! And they’re seriously trying to make it look as though they were a viable business!

    • RedWolf

      You don’t look like a protective fanboy, you look like you’re talking sense.

    • Nathan Aldana

      Thats how narcissists are though.

      Its the same reason Trump still obsesses over the vote numbers even when that is completely pointless and continuing to bring it up does nothing to help him. Narcissists cannot imagine a scenario where they look bad, and will fight completely pointless and endless battles to protect their “reputation”

    • Jasper Theo

      Is that the count so far? 60 individual pieces of software!?

      • drownedsummer

        I think it was closer to 40. As Jim’s coverage of them stopped when the lawsuit occurred. In that point and potentially because Jim wasn’t covering them due to the lawsuit they felt like they had free reign and in that period put up what was about five different Space Invaders clone with different skins and basically put up five different levels for each as a separate game. Roughly totaling 20-25 different games.

        It is also possible that because their most outspoken critic wasn’t touching them they began to think they were untouchable and there wouldn’t be any repercussions from their actions as they had of course already silenced their nemesis. I’m entirely speculating but it really wouldn’t surprise me if that is what led to them issuing legal demands to Valve.

        • Daniel Jensen

          I don’t know, they were already ALMOST booted from the store once before, so I doubt they thought that were suddenly invincible.

          This is just speculation (like yours), but I imagine they didn’t think Valve would mind them having to hand over such information.

          “Oh, you want it for a court case? Because people are harassing you for the sake of getting rid of competition? Golly Gee Whiz, we can’t have that! By all means feel free to have a nosy through the private information of all of our customers and confidential databases!”

          I’d suggest this possibly came from watching a few too many court/crime dramas that involved companies spilling any and all information requested… but I don’t wanna make too many leaps of logic to try and make my amateur diagnosis sound plausible 🙂

      • Viking Mana

        I’m not entirely sure. I believe it might be more than that. Whether you want to consider them “Individual pieces of software” also depends on your definition of “Individual”. I’m pretty sure that at least a few of their products are literally the same game, but with a different set of textures/visuals.

        • Ory43

          Actually someone made a list of all the games DigiHom put through Greenlight. In total there was 72 games put onto Greenlight and 21 of those games made it through to Steam.

          • Viking Mana

            Huh.. I thought you were allowed to upload as much garbage as you wanted to the platform once you’d gotten through Greenlight once, and had become an established developer? Or were these all titles they uploaded under different names?

          • Ory43

            No, i think you have to have a certain number of games on Steam and they have to have a certain rating. Because all of DigiHom’s games got very low ratings, they were not allowed to just upload whatever they wanted.

  • My god…I really thought this ended last year. It SHOULD have. I’d say the man is a delusional crackpot through and through, but that goes without saying. This is beyond mere anger or even petty nature. I mean, 15 Million?! There is something extremely wrong with this man, something I don’t think a simple throw-a-lawsuit-out-of-court action can really circumvent. Not as well as a large chunk of explosion-propelled metal entering that hollow cranium of his.

    Also, The Steam Cleaner? Is that REALLY grounds for “directing” harassment? Did you even USE that past its introduction in one of the 2016 episodes?

    • Mauricio

      Never mind the fact that he’s trying to pass a critique of his product, which call his product “shit” and “asset flip”, like it was harassment against his person.

  • Davorbasic

    Holly fuck they haven’t given up yet

  • サイラス

    James Romine MUST be a character, that’s the only way this would make sense.

    • ENAY

      It would be hilarious if he was employed by Jim. You literally can’t have been given a better publicity stunt if you’d tried.

  • TheMagicLemur

    He put himself in the worst possible position for a narcissist: He’s in an unwinnable situation that can only be mitigated by admitting he’s wrong.

    Also I love that Operation Cleanlight is a ‘harassment’ campaign. It’s like he doesn’t know what words mean.

    • Marcus Cohen

      It’s an interesting point. Shouldn’t psychiatry factor in when it comes to cases like these? After all, a clinical personality disorder can be objectively diagnosed. I don’t know much about American legal system, but it seems only reasonable to consider on a case-to-case basis whether a person is even capable of pressing charges, running for office…. Oh, wait.

      • OctopussGrift

        That would allow people to commit crimes against the mentally ill without them being able to seek legal recourse.

        • Marcus Cohen

          No, no. I’m not suggesting that some people should be denied legal help based no their mental state. What I’m wondering about is whether psychiatry is involved in evaluating cases such as this one.

          • OctopussGrift

            Sorry I am training in mental health counseling and I sometimes get overly defensive when talking about the rights of the mentally ill.

            On the other hand I can answer this question. It probably would not be a consideration in this case. The only real reason for it to come up in a libel lawsuit would be if Romine was trying to prove he was not insane when Jim said he was (which Jim may have but Romine is not suing over that and would additionally require him to prove that it harmed him.)

            Although as a defacto effect I would guess that the judge’s desire to throw the case out comes from the fact that the judge thinks Romine is insane.

    • Jasper Theo

      It sounds like Romine takes pride in the collective flooding of Steam with tripe, and any part of the Steam user base attempting to perform any kind of public service to blow the whistle will be taken as an insult.

  • Will Bertazzo

    It’s sad that DigiHom will probably end up homeless after this. Not because they’ll be put in a shit situation, that is obviously something they brought entirely onto themselves, but it sucks that they won’t have anything for Jim to take in a countersuit to make up what I (someone with some degree of experience with my country’s legal system) assume is an exorbitant amount of his time and money wasted on this frivolity.

    • Salador

      Eh, even then homelessness is an awful thing I wouldn’t wish on anyone. But they’ll have done it entirely to themselves. Almost everyone has told James Romine to drop this. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t stop it from jumping off a cliff.

      • Will Bertazzo

        Pretty much. Homelessness is horrible but I feel no pity for a homeless person if their condition is self inflicted. If someone is homeless because of addictions to gambling, drugs, alcohol etc. that at least is because of psychological problems outside of their control. But this is just… I don’t even know? Extreme stubbornness?

        • TheMagicLemur

          “WILL MAKE SHIT GAMES 4 FOOD”

      • Daniel Jensen

        I would happily wish homelessness on these fuckwads.

        Though my spite doesn’t extend to their kids. Poor things got shat on by the lottery of life just by having these guys as parents.

    • drownedsummer

      Allegedly according to the Loading Ready Run guys they’ve already returned to the normal workforce and stopped trying to make games. I suspect they were mostly taking the piss regarding Digital Homicide’s situation.

  • UncleBartek

    Someone should collect all this shit and write a book about this. This entire comical situation is a perfect microcosm of what’s wrong with the world today, especially the so-called internet culture. I mean, think about it. A man (Romine) is on his way to completely destroying his own life only because he truly believes he’s been wronged .

    He might be a complete dickhead, but I kinda feel sorry for him and his family. The guy should sue his lawyers for manipulating him into this shit. I mean, he must have been lied to, no one is that stupid by default, right?

    Anyway, good luck Jim!

    • Ben Mitchell

      The romines don’t have lawyers, they chose not to get one and instead revised their claims so that they were accaptable to the court. I only feel bad for Digihom founders family members because these guys are far too self destructive to be worth pitying. They dug this hole and refuse to stop digging.

      • galactix100

        He tried to source the funds for a lawyer through crowd funding which failed and instead of giving up decided to fight it himself despite an obvious lack of knowledge of the legal system never mind the law itself.

        • drownedsummer

          That failed because people donated the lowest amount possible, which led to the Romine’s having to cover the cost of the transactions. Their funding efforts ended up with negative amounts.

          • MJC

            Awesome!

    • TheMagicLemur

      I feel sorry for his kids, because narcissistic parents really do a number on their offspring.

    • Peter Quint

      It does seem to have now a kind of tragic narrative, the hubris of these Digital Homicide guys driving themselves into the public consciouness as terrible people all because they couldn’t let some bad reviews go.

      They’re like Macbeth now, they’ve gone too far down a nightmare path to ever consider going back, even if they probably regret what they’ve done. I wonder if it keeps him awake at night thinking what lies on the other side of the failed law suits, when he doesn’t have 15 million dollars but does have a reputation as a loser and a scumbag.

      • UncleBartek

        Believe me, I have been in this kinda situation (self immolation through investing way too much money into a venture that was doomed to fail from the very beginning). I know how it feels to keep doubling down on a bad decision. And although the incident that incited it all is so mindblowingly boneheaded that it’s hard to relate to their plight, I still feel kinda bad for them. It has gone way past the point of being a funny story about a stupid dev….

        Mr. Romine, if by any chance you are reading this, please let all of this go. The path you’ve chosen leads to bankruptcy or even suicide. It’s never too late to start over, I’m sure you have people in your life who will support you through the transition. It’s really not that bad to admit to yourself that you’ve fucked up. I’m sure that if you issue a public apology Jim will not pursue anything apart from compensating his legal costs. It’s not too late to fix it

    • MJC

      I feel sorry for his family. Him? Nah. He’s done this to himself.

  • Za_Docta

    You gotta love the mind of a person who believes that someone who regularly does episodes publicly calling people out for bullying would also be orchestrating bullying on the side. As though we, Jim’s audience, wouldn’t have a problem with that.

  • sillyskeleton

    This must be a real stressful situation for Jim. Despite a practically 0% chance of losing the case, the legal fees to fight this must be really adding up and this fucker just won’t let this shit go.

    I hope Jim counter sues to get back the money he’s spent to defend himself. Robert Romine really needs to learn a hard lesson to bring him back down to reality.
    $15,000,000, what a fucking nut case…

    • TheMagicLemur

      I dunno, Jim has, like, class… I mean I’d counter-sue the fucker into homelessness, buy his house, and offer it back to him in exhange for ten bucks’ worth of pan-handling money and a ten-page, hand-written apology.

      But I’m a vindictive asshole.

    • George

      It’s a shame you don’t have what we have in Canada. In litigation here, the courts as general rule will award the successful party anywhere from 30-80% of their fees to be covered by the losing party.

    • Captiosus

      Never say “0% chance of losing” when it comes to our clusterfuck of a civil justice system. Stranger shit has happened.

      • sillyskeleton

        Yeahh, hence why I said “practically 0%”. With all the shit that going on over there now I wouldn’t classify anything as impossible for the USA.

    • Lasse Andersen

      It’s not like he ever *could* cover Jim’s leal fees. Hardly a coincidence he hasn’t hired a lawyer for himself.

  • Mauricio

    So Romine is giving 1 dollar per month to Jim, to prove Jim makes business in Arizona?

    How giving money to a third party (patreon in this case), which after taking their cut, give the rest of the money to Jim, proves that Jim makes business in Arizona?

    • qorl123

      Romine only knows.

      • Rando

        This has permanently replaced “God only knows” in my vocabulary now.

        • MJC

          Probably for the best, because even if God was real, even he wouldn’t have a fucking clue how Romine’s attempts at logic are meant to work.

  • James Romine is the only horse known to keep beating himself after he died.

    • TheMagicLemur

      He’s only part of a horse.

      • Yaro

        This is no place for a horse.

  • DreamingTheseDays

    I’m so sorry, Jim. Let’s hope this thing gets dismissed soon enough so you can get back to what you do best: Boglin journalism. Oh and maybe that other thing you do for laughs involving some cornflakes…

  • qorl123

    I’m sure Jim would rather this bullshit just went away as soon as possible and wouldn’t countersue Romine, but I hope he at least chooses to try and get his legal fees back.

    • galactix100

      I don’t know about the US approach but in the UK cases like this which are unsuccessful can often result in the pursuant being ordered to cover the defendant’s legal fees.

      • cerpin

        You’d still have to actually get the money in England & Wales, which would likely take enforcement proceedings if the Claimant wasn’t insured.

        Sadly judgment debtors tend to have very little resepect for CCJs or the law.

        • galactix100

          Ah. The law course I’m studying is Scots law and even then has been very focused on the law itself, very little time spent on procedure etc.

          • cerpin

            I hope you enjoy your course! I can’t speak to the Scot’s system at all but certainly south of the border your law course doesn’t really prepare you for “real life” (that’s your legal practice or Bar course here) and the reality of civil procedure (again in England) is that the government is tearing it all up on a weekly basis!

            In England at least there is a general doctrine that “loser pays” (again at risk from the Tories) so a successful litigant will usually get a costs order in their favour – there are specific rules when it comes to successful defendants in road traffic claims that actually mean they do not get their costs unless the proved fraud or “fundamental dishonesty” which is a phrase the government just pulled out of its arse a couple of years ago – but often the court will not assess your costs on the day, particularly in a complex matter. Generally the order will read “costs to be assessed if not agreed”.

            This opens up a can of worms though as you have to enter negotiations and then if they do not bear fruit potentially begin “detailed assessment” which is some arcane nonsense that I choose not not understand. Costs proceedings are often as hard fought (if not harder) that the main action and results in satellite litigation like crazy (Bird v Acorn and Broadhurst v Tan recent notables)! So after your costs lawyers (yeah its complex enough that most people will not do it in-house) successfully convince a costs judge that your client is entitled to recover 60% of your 50K bill from the other side (which is then knocked down to 30% due to the “proportionality” doctrine – Brian May doesn’t like that one) you get to ask the unsuccessful party to pay up.

            They then disappear and you have a very expensive piece of paper with some words on it!

            Then you enter into the wonderful world of enforcement and it all goes “Can’t Pay We’ll Take it Away”.

            All things considered even winning isn’t always that great.

            I am surprised that there is so much talk of “counter-suing” with regards to this one. Do the states really not have a loser pays system?

          • galactix100

            I am thanks. I’m doing my honours then on to a graduate entry Scots and English course since my current one isn’t an LLB.

            I think the talk of counter-suing is more to do with suing for actual damages rather than recovering costs. When you consider some of DH’s actions there’s probably a solid case against them.

  • jedimastercosmin

    This whole thing is now like a parody episode of “How to Get Away with Murder”. Only there’s no sex involved.
    To the best of my knowledge, of course ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • CoffeeBurps

    Would be out unprofessional to ask again to throw out the case because the plaintiff has no idea what the fuck he’s talking about?

    • Doogie2K

      I’m sure there’s a legal term for that. Dunno what it is, but it has to be a thing. “Summary dismissal on the grounds of being prima facie stupid as hell” doesn’t sound quite…lawyerly enough.

      • Lloyd

        Pretty sure that incompetency is legal grounds, maybe not for dismissal but at least to have a guardian appointed for them. Because let’s face it, Jim is dealing with a couple of man children.

  • Charlie Koszulinski

    All I can imagine is the court going over Jim’s videos as evidence during the case and they have a big screen with a plague doctor on it talking about video games. Jim will laugh, Romine will cry, and the judge will ask himself, “what the fuck is happening?”

    • Jacob H

      “Your honor, the prosecution would call Cornflake Homunculus to the stand. Now raise your right hand and face the jury, Mx Flake.”

      • Benedikt A.T.

        “Do you solemnly swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God”

        “I have no god, only pain. Life is cruel, Cornflakes™ are Delicious”

  • StarTsurugi

    $15,326,000?
    What? What?

  • Toby Teh

    At an average price of $1.00 each, DigiHom would have had to have sold 15,326,000 copies of their shitty little games to make the amount they’re suing Jim for.

    That’d be about as many copies Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare sold across five different consoles in its entire lifecycle.

    What gets me is the $326,000. WTF is that?

    • qorl123

      I guess it’s the same kind of arbitrary calculations music companies pull out of their ass when they’re trying to claim 12 mp3s lost them millions of dollars.

    • Jake Gale

      And that’s assuming full price right? Or does that already take Steam sales into account?

      • Toby Teh

        I just googled the last known prices for their games. They sold from $1 to $5 each.

  • drownedsummer

    I sadly suspected that they would pull something to extend this. Are they expecting a Judge to take pity on them and award them the case? They do realise they would never be able to work in the industry in any capacity ever again after this.

    • Jake Gale

      It’s not about working at all though. It’s about trying to exploit as much as possible to get as much money as possible. The Romines are the payday lenders of game developing.

      • drownedsummer

        Yes that is the motivation. Which does just lead to questioning the mindset of these people who consider this to be anything other than what Jim is stating.

    • Otherhand

      He’s probably banking on the judge not understanding the first thing about games production or distribution. Not sure that’s going to matter, since the case ought to be over in a matter of minutes if a court is ever convened.

  • Enigma_2099

    Fuck if I’d waste MY dollar on him…

  • trn

    Not being an American, and therefore not wanting to sue everyone who upsets me (sorry American friends), I see lawsuits of this nature as deliberately vindictive and – in this case, especially – the claimant is guilty of the very things they are accusing Jim of – libel and criminal harassment. That is to say, libel (for accusing Jim of criminal harassment) and criminal harassment (for repeatedly trying to steal $15million from him).

    Either way, I’m sorry that this continues and I imagine it is taking every ounce of patience and sanity to keep going. Kudos to Jim for continuing to do what he does even with this loathsome lawsuit hanging over his head.

  • Naomi-Paul Furlong Martin

    Wait! You work from Arizona? I was under the impression that you were based in Louisiana.

    How dare you lie to me, you liar. You filthy lying liar. …just a liar. 🙂

    Maybe if we all give the Romines 1$ per month for a whole year, they would go away.

    Then again maybe not.

    • MeatMan

      Romine supposedly giving $1/month to (unsuccessfully) try to prove that Jim “does business in Arizona” is surely because that’s where Romine lives and is the state in which he is suing Jim.

      Also, Jim lives in Mississippi, not Louisianna.

      • Naomi-Paul Furlong Martin

        Oups, my bad. I always get those places confused.

    • Toby Teh

      Wait, I’m genuinely confused here… WHY do the Romines need to prove that Jim works in Arizona? Is it a jurisdiction thing so they can re-sue him in a different state because their first case didn’t work in Mississippi?

      • drownedsummer

        I think it was to do with the specifics of the litigation and some of what they were trying to be put through couldn’t be put through unless Jim has a business which operates out of Arizona.

      • qorl123

        Romine wanted the case be heard in arizona, since romine believed he would have an advantage there because the courts there are supposedly very sympathetic to libel suits.

      • galactix100

        I think it has something to do with the fact that corrected statements can still be grounds for defamation. Jim covered it in his Jimquisition episode ‘Homicide’.

  • Ciaran O’Brien

    Toxic litigation culture of America notwithstanding, some day this will make a HELL of a Judge Judy episode.

  • Polishfury5000

    You’d think the fact Digi-Hom got kicked off of steam would be enough to just get the case thrown out on it’s own.

    Would be funny to see them try to sue Valve though.

    • Jasper Theo

      I kind of want DH to take on Valve just for the cheap catharsis.

    • Daniel Jensen

      They’re already TRYING. Remember that post they made ages ago saying they wanted to sue Valve for “saying that it’s okay for people to harass us by punishing us for defending ourselves” etc etc?

      • Polishfury5000

        Forgot about that, boy are those guy a treat.

  • Toby Teh

    Dear Jim, to help you reimburse the Romines, I have decided to pledge $1 to your Patreon.

    I hope you do not think this to be an insult pledge, as I have the highest respect for you and wish you to continue your good work without having to worry about these piddling timewasters for another second longer. Thank god for you, good sir.

    • Mauricio

      I wish people tried to insult me by giving me money!

      😛

  • Darth Raven

    They don’t stand a chance against you Jim.

  • ManuOtaku

    I´am worried though, if Jim´s Never settles, what else he shares with Trump? scary.

  • InfamousDS

    Allow me to relate the story of long-since gone seller on Amazon, which I heard second-hand:

    There once was a seller, maybe 2012 or 2011, who sold flower bulbs and flower arrangements. They had managed to make a career from it before something went horribly wrong. I don’t know what went wrong, but I do know the end results. She began selling dying flowers and rotted bulbs, mailing them to customers like that. She, rightfully, lost her Amazon account in January of whatever year it happened.
    Furious and incensed, she began railing about her problems on the Amazon Seller forums. When her account was investigated by forum members to help her get unsuspended, they saw the feedbacks complaining about selling useless flower bulbs and dead flowers. They refused to help her, minus a few outliers who always try to help the people who really shouldn’t get help.
    This only magnified her indignation. She went to the media, and complained about bullying on the Seller Forums and losing her account on Amazon at the worst possible time. Being right before Valentine’s Day, her best sales period, her life was ruined and she couldn’t afford her bills unless she was able to sell. The forum sighed and moved on, but Amazon noticed.
    Despite being in the wrong, she got her account back. The media cheered, she had a great sales period, and then new feedback began pouring in that was almost identical to the old feedback. The account was gone by June.

    What’s the point? It is this: While they may have burned their bridges with those in the know, all it takes is a well-written plea to the right outlet for them to get noticed by the actual media. And then he can start the appeals process, backed by public funding from those helping the tiny small-business owner being bullied by the large video games industry (Valve) and a famous YouTuber (Jim). The merits of the case won’t have changed, but the circumstances will. It will ultimately fail, but not without making things worse for everyone for a short time.

    • galactix100

      I think it’s telling that he wants this heard by a judge alone and not a jury. Says to me he’s not confident of being able to win over the average member of the public and are instead relying on a judge to find in his favour, on a technicality perhaps.

      • InfamousDS

        The public is a double-edged sword, and one that has bit them before via the Steam Forums and YouTube. It will be a last resort, if they do actually resort to it. But that behavior is from a small subset of the GP, and even more importantly his backlash was before the “America First, Small Business Matters” mindset which has led to the last year.

        As I said, if and when they lose they will likely go to the media. I imagine a blunderbuss of telling everyone they can, until someone runs it and the chain reaction happens. They’ll blame it on their lack of legal experience and that they couldn’t afford lawyers to fight the big mean corporations of YouTube (for not upholding their copyright claim and not shutting down Jim’s account) and Valve (for closing their account). They’ll state the legal battle bankrupted their small business, which made them stop being job creators (their own, but semantics is everything and nothing).
        Anything can be spun, and the news will report the story for ratings first. Facts will come when it is too late, as an addendum to the online portion of the story if at all.

        • Ender1200

          It’s a bit late to go to the media, DH have been coverend on more than one occation, never in a positive light.

          • InfamousDS

            By games media, and a few legal sites. Niche audiences, basically.

            I’m thinking the kind of site people just repost on Facebook without actually reading articles, until enough people actually do. The kind of sites which live and die and the basis of their bias and their subscriber’s bias aligning with plenty of room for alternative facts.

        • galactix100

          There’s already plenty of media coverage of DH online.
          Valve and Youtube have both shown they couldn’t give less of a fuck about public perception. Anyway, it’s a large jump from people hearing a sob story and thinking ‘oh that’s a shame’ to people actually caring enough to do something. I think they’ll lose and fuck off into obscurity.

          • InfamousDS

            I haven’t seen it on Associated Press or CNN. Their actual failure isn’t trending on Facebook, Twitter, or Tumblr. This is the kind of coverage I’m talking about.

            But their perceived failure could trend, and that may be the difference maker. They just need the right outlet, one willing to post bias and pseudo-facts over reality.

          • Dallium

            It’s not really about Valve or YouTube caring about public opinion though, though. If DH garners enough public support, at least some of that support might manifest as MATERIAL support, which might make an eventual lawsuit both financial well-supported enough to be an actual nuisance, and/or be high profile enough to affect stock prices. If either or both of those happen, any corporation will settle to make the problem go away.

          • galactix100

            Considering they said they needed $70 K for a lawyer at the start of this thing the level of support necessary would be huge. Even then I reckon Valve and Youtube would fight it because they wouldn’t want a precedent set that lets any mad cunt throw a tantrum and influence them because they can’t handle the realities of life.

          • Dallium

            That is literally the precedent corporation have been quietly establishing for years. If they can’t drown you in continuances and pre-preliminary hearings until your money dries up, they hand you a giant settlement with a gag order.

          • galactix100

            Yeah so they’ll bury DH, it’ll be cheaper.

          • Dallium

            Again, not if they establish the case in mainstream media. It wouldn’t be worth the PR debacle. They’d hand DH a sack of money after making them sign a gag order, and call the problem solved.

          • galactix100

            Would it be a PR debacle to to fight against a delusional moron who equates critique with harassment? Anyway, settling carries a tacit admission of guilt. When you consider the number of people like DH on Steam to do so would open the flood gates which Valve will not want because it says to the other mad cunts out there ‘have at us, we’ll pay, we’re an easy target’.

            Anyway they won’t get mainstream media attention. I’ve already said this elsewhere but I’ll do so again. Romine has declined to have the case heard before a jury, implying he doesn’t think that the public will side with him. If he doesn’t want the public involved in the case then it’s unlikely he’ll look to spread it further.

            Besides, there are a million other factors to consider. They need financial support as shown by the attempts to crowdfund the legal fees at the start of this. It’s one thing to garner sympathy, another to turn that into financial support. Any mainstream attention they get will likely be local. This isn’t gonna be a headline on the BBC news. At most it’ll be a local TV news show that, even with the internet, will likely not spread far because nobody cares about the news in Bumblefuck, Arizona. There’s also the assumption that anyone willing to consider hearing the story won’t do some research, at that point one of two probable things will happen: a) they get told to do one because they’re mental b) they get trotted out for everyone to laugh at the mad cunt. But most importantly, we’re assuming, for the purposes of this debate, that they’ll ever go to the media rather than get ripped to shreds in court and fuck off never to be heard from again.

          • Dallium

            I’m assuming from this post that you aren’t an American. I’m not saying that pejoratively, but you’re giving the American public far, FAR too much credit. I’m also again stating that, for the record, DH has continually demonstrated they lack the finesse to pull off what I’m suggesting.

            So basically the way lawsuits v big corporations get framed in America are “Big company is fucking over the little guy.” That’s how executives see them, that’s how shareholders see them. Big companies literally budget for paying out settlements on nuisance lawsuits. It’s seen as the price of doing business. So it wouldn’t be “crazy guy sues Valve over his shitty games,” it would be “small business ruined by megacorp.” Small business owners are held up as paragons of the American Dream, so the automatically get the benefit of doubt in the court of public opinion. And corporations are, in the abstract, evil greedy bastards. So if something like this DID hit mainstream media (it almost certainly won’t, and DH would cock it up if it did), Valve (or Google) would be stupid to actually defend themselves.

            The public won’t care what the actual facts of the case are. The won’t care how crazy or deluded DH is. The only thing they’ll see is “oh look, yet another evil corporation out to crush everything we hold dear in the name of profits.” So yeah, they’d settle, and spin it to go “oh yes, we made a mistake, see how magnanimous we are to admit it and make it right,” and ‘prove’ that they aren’t like those other corporations and that makes people trust them and like them and buy their shares.

            Why do you think we’re so litigious over here?

          • drownedsummer

            But this isn’t an eventual lawsuit. This is an ongoing lawsuit which has been stretching on for six months now? Having any lawyer on retainer for that amount of time is going to be costly.

          • Dallium

            If you’ll carefully reread my post, it will be terribly obvious that I am not discussing Romine v Stanton.

          • drownedsummer

            Yeah I did misread it. However Infamous’ point which this stems from is about the current suit and potentially media and public support from different sectors, which could renew the case and possibility of how it plays out depending on how that story is reported.

            A future lawsuit requires them to come through unscathed with the means to try something again. However I think we’re overestimating the potential reach and likelihood of what that could cause. If Valve actually thought there was any real threat behind them there response would have been something other than laughing at them and hitting the delete key.

          • MJC

            I carefully reread your post and you said “an eventual lawsuit”. That’s why you were being corrected: there is no “eventual lawsuit”, the lawsuit is happening RIGHT NOW. And once they lose, no amount of support they can garner will nullify double jeopardy. They’re already suing Jim now, they cannot sue him again.

          • Dallium

            You clearly didn’t read it carefully, because the “eventual lawsuit” was a hypothetical future suit against YouTube and/or Valve, not Jim. Secondly, Double Jeopardy ONLY applies to criminal proceedings, not civil suits. So when (not if) they lose, they could, if they wanted, sue Jim again for exactly the same complaints. No lawyer would take the case, and it would almost certainly be dismissed less than 10 minutes into the first hearing, but they could do it.

        • drownedsummer

          It is in those situations where the problem arises where if you play on the guilt card and highlight those circumstances and make yourself into a character who can be pitied. The person then criticizing that becomes a bastard for doing so.

          If you have someone on a forum arguing a point which is entirely flawed and has no redeeming elements but suddenly this person then points out my dad just died and their points are not informed or effected by this loss. The person continuing to criticise this person if they continue to do so will then be perceived negatively even if their original argument was in the right.

          • InfamousDS

            If I didn’t misconstrue your argument, it is exactly what I mean. You can be wrong until you are the underdog. Then you are the victim.

          • drownedsummer

            I’m more than likely explaining that poorly. Basically the moment you find some way to become the victim, you become the person who appears to be in the right.

          • InfamousDS

            We’re still agreeing though, because my original point was that they would do what the flower lady did. Which was purposefully misrepresent the facts to garner sympathy. Or in a real DH move: make up new facts to cover their tracks and reduce the validity of old facts.

          • drownedsummer

            I’m not disagreeing just talking from personal experience on a forum from years ago. For a very brief period of time literally only for a few weeks I had a blog posting about spoilers for an upcoming season of 24, which was linked to posting on the IMDB forum. One poster claimed he worked for Fox and on the show in some capacity and started asking where my information was from. Initially my reaction was that’s quite cool and then I suddenly questioned why am I accepting this information on faith. The moment I asked for actual proof of what he was claiming? His mother was gravely ill.

    • Daniel Jensen

      This kinda-sorta already happened with the article they managed to get in the Arizona Daily (or whatever). Though it was pretty telling at all the comments were people shouting “You are leaving out a shit-ton of context”, and the article was altered. Though I’d imagine the paper version never got an update.

      Still, as has been said it’s doubtful that even the biggest news corps spinning this would make Valve or Youtube give a single shit, plus you’d probably have people SWARMING there to point out that DigiHom were easily worse than what they’re claiming Jim is.

      *Shrugs* Time will tell I guess.

  • One thing that baffles my mind is the huge amount of stupidity that the Romine brothers show.

    They are crappy “devs” making shitty games in a few weeks (21 games released in 3 years) and changing the company name every once in a while to avoid being linked to the revious shitty games. For fucks sake, if you are going to do “that kind of business” at least by smart, acknoweldge what you are doing and keep a low profile. Romine brothers… You are not artists, you are not making good games and you fucking know it. You always knew. Everyone that has every played any of your games even for a few minutes knows it. Stop pointing the lights on you for a while.

    They remind me of a less competent, shadier and less smart version of Derek Smart.

  • Meyneth

    15 million? Wow. Speaking the truth is pretty expensive these days, isn’t it?

    • Will Bertazzo

      No kidding. Will.I.Am punched Perez Hilton out and only had to pay $300. And that’s someone who actually has that ridiculous amount of money.

  • Hemmer van Ukzahn

    Did I read that right? 15 MILLION? How on earth did they come up with that number?

    • galactix100

      It seems it’s what Romine calculated DH lost in sales and marketing because of Jim, which is interesting because in order to earn that much they’d have had to have sold around about 15 million units (considering the price of DH’s games seemed to be about $1 each). As someone below pointed out, that’s the same number of units CoD MW has ever.

      Romine’ll likely know that if he wins he won’t be awarded the full amount but my guess is he’s just looking for enough to try and ruin Jim financially out of spite. Having looked at what his case is built on I somehow doubt he’ll win though.

      • drownedsummer

        At this point they are just going through everything Jim has done in meticulous detail to to try and get material which they can use regardless of how flimsy and tenuous it is.

        • galactix100

          It’s what they’ve done so far and it’s gotten them nowhere.

          • drownedsummer

            Next they’ll be trying to use material FistShark.

          • galactix100

            I would love them to cite the treatment of Craig the intern as evidence of Jim organising bullying and harassment.

          • Wolfie

            And the… more recent incident. Of a certain individual. *avoiding spoilers*

          • Landy Alexander

            Next thing Dean Cain gets a summons to talk about his abusive agent. Dean shows up because that dude is open to anything.

          • Jpkurihara

            Not just Craig, CHIP.

          • galactix100

            Craig > Chip

      • Bryan Davie

        If the calculations were anything close to based in the real world they would have had to sell way more than that because most games have costs associated with development and sale of the game. Since they’re claiming 15 million in lost profits they’re saying that they would have *made* 15 million after the development cost, after steam took their cut and after taxes.

        • galactix100

          Yeah true. Although I reckon dev costs can’t have been more than $50 considering that most of their games were the same unity assets rearranged.

          • Bryan Davie

            Fair but you know they’re going to blow the cost of that way out of proportion too because they are very grounded and reasonable individuals.

      • LMN76

        If I recall correctly from one of earlier complaints for a mere $10 million it was basically:

        His ludicrous extrapolation of lost sales assuming “full retail”
        +The “full retail” of promotional keys they generated for free
        +Pain and suffering

        He then took the ~$2 million and gave it a ~5x punitive multiplier to arrive at 10 $million (It seems to go up each time he files something)

        From what I saw of the infamous Seam-Digital Suicide filing and his early one against Jim, it’s not entirely spite; He really seams to be of the deluded belief that:

        1. The exchange keys for green light votes and sell sub $1 games for trading card exploitation model is sustainable in the long run

        2. Pointing out the low quality of their games or their business model to the unsuspecting public is criminal harassment, and

        3. It is defamation to, in any way, suggest that their business practices are “shady” or are designed to “exploit” Steams poorly implemented Greenlight system with its shitty, shitty quality control.

        • galactix100

          I think it’s much the same now but perhaps with more focus on lost sales and demanding more money.

  • OctopussGrift

    It’s telling that he can’t get a lawyer. There are lawyers who would be willing to work on a case like this if they thought there was an outside chance of winning. A lawyer like this only needs to win 1 out of 20 cases for it to be a profitable use of their time.

    • Lasse Andersen

      More like he can’t afford a lawyer.

      • OctopussGrift

        No what I’m saying is that a lawyer like that would just take the case for a percentage of the payout. The percentage could even be something crazy like 50%+. If no lawyer is willing to put in some hours on this case for potentially millions of dollars it means that they think it is unwinnable.

      • BeigePaladin

        oh no, the sad sad truth is digihom makes a lot of money – by being one of the afforementioned underhanded cottage market and a buisness model of spending $100 on a product and hoping for 20 sales to make a profit

        no, if he didn’t get a lawyer, it’s because either no-one would work for him, or he’s that deluded that he believes he genuinely doesn’t need one…

        and I’m somewhat afraid it’s the latter

        • drownedsummer

          I don’t think they make quite as much as you’re suggesting. The model is a simple one. Put in the least amount of effort and capital to produce the product. Sell it cheaply and also reap the extra made from the card sales. They probably make enough to make back the initial costs and some profit. But I suspect that model isn’t going to sustainable for a longer period especially if some of that is then invested into the next project. The majority of their games on were on Greenlight so not even for sale on Steam unless they made it through and their accumulated negative press most likely started effecting that. I do believe their games were on sale elsewhere but I doubt for astronomical prices.

          They might have had enough to afford to a lawyer at one point but I would suspect the choice of not using the lawyer is out of necessity due to costs

        • Lasse Andersen

          Either way, he gets rolled.

        • Daniel Jensen

          Let me just modify Lasse’s comment a little.

          “He can’t afford a lawyer who doesn’t want tens of thousands of dollars upfront.

  • Jellybean

    I can’t wait for when this is over, mostly because Jim will do something to celebrate on Jimquisition and I have no idea what he has in store.

    • Eon264

      My guess is it will involve Boglins, pogs and dildos or some combination thereof.

    • Chris

      It has something to do with the boglins! He’s mentioned it a few times on podquisition back when this shit started. Hints at it rather. And he dropped a hint at some point on ask fm about it too. I asked why did I get the feeling when the lawsuit is done, you’re going to do a 30 minute jimquisition possibly involving boglins. He responded “I have no idea what you’re talking about”
      …okay, maybe he was sincere but I read it as “yes, definitely”

      • Oliver Mendes

        I mean, as far as Jim’s content goes that sounds par for the course anyhow 😛

    • Fallen Prime

      Well, at that point he’ll be able to speak candidly about everything he had to keep mum about when there was more of an actual problem. The bare minimum I expect from him is a post-mortem of Romine v Stanton.

  • Tyler Banukevich

    I’ve been reading through Romine’s complaint (making sure to take frequent breaks as to not cause myself any mental and/or physical harm) and…*sigh* Digihom, if you happen to be reading this, please understand that negative opinions of you are not defamatory statements, Jim doesn’t “attack” you more than Triple A game companies (not by a long shot), and you really shouldn’t use the word plaintiff three times in the same sentence. For fuck’s sake.

    • MrInsecure

      And if Jim does “attack” DigiHom with a significantly higher frequency than major publishers, that is only in keeping with DigiHom’s own output, both in terms of games and in terms of their anti-consumer policies.

  • Junker

    Donate that $1.00 a month to an anti-scam organization on his name.

  • Dallium

    If I ever decide to pursue post-graduate work in Anthropology, I’m writing my thesis on DigiHom and those like them

  • Thanatos

    Don’t forget to ask the court to have the loser pay the legal fees for both parties.

    • Landy Alexander

      How? Romine is a deranged manchild who used to own a video game company, and now thanks to his own insane actions is entirely unemployable. No matter how much jim pays his lawyers the Romines aren’t going to be able to afford it.

  • gasmaskangel

    Even in the worst of all possible worlds, where there is no Jim Sterling or any other voice out there decrying Steam shovelware I find it hard to imagine that Digital Homicide would make one million in sales, let alone fifteen.

    • Forrest Kayssen

      Yeah, I think that perfectly demonstrates how delusional the poor guy is. He must have looked at how Ubisoft and Activision were doing in their early days and thought “I make video games, so that’s what kind of money I deserve!”.

  • Appretaur

    “…no word currently exists to convey quite how flimsy they are.”

    Well, I’m pretty sure such a hypothetical word could only be pronounced by letting a faberge egg fall onto a packet of old cookies wrapped in a script for a Michael Bay Transformers sequel.

    • That would be a waste of faberge eggs. Also a Michael Bay script can still be used as an insect wacker/transporter so yes unlike badly done asset flips even a MB Script has more value.

      Not as much as the vandalism you’re willing to put on to a pretty damn close to priceless Faberge Egg.

      • Appretaur

        Well, I could just assert that I have *always* meant the flimsy *handling* of a priceless egg and not necessarily the construction of the egg itself (and this would allow for me to subsequently assert that the shattering of such would purely be accidental).

        And if I’d emulate the logic patterns of the addressee of Jim’s statement, now everyone should ideally regard this as the truth of my case and retroactively give me due respect for that for both the past and the indefinite future, even though I could technically admit right now that this handling-as-opposed-to-construction angle had not occurred to me until I was thinking of a comeback to your response just now. 😉

  • Richard Fleming

    OK, lemme try this again with the link (sorry Jim, forgot that we’re not supposed to put youtube links in here).

    There’s an actual copyright lawyer who’s been reviewing this case on YouTube. His name is Leonard French. It is quite amusing to watch his face as he reads over the latest amendments.

    • Chris

      He popped up on my recommended. Didn’t watch his first video as it was several months out of date but watched the latest one. It was pretty amusing

  • eggabooha

    No one cost DH sales but themselves. If when Jim did the impressions, they saw how terrible the game and heck, didn’t even do anything but said “thank you for the criticism we will take that into account when in our next game” they would probably be, well they’d not be as hated. their games would still probably be complete trash that hasn’t been taking out since summer, but you know. instead they were jerks and made THEMSELVES unlikable idiots. let’s be honest people who have (and some still do) would protect DH because everyone loves a indie underdog. but you know, it’s hard to defend jerks, so even jim’s criticism could have been buried but they ruined it for them. but no matter what thank GOD for jim.

    • drownedsummer

      What’s worse is the other developers who believe this is something to emulate.

      • eggabooha

        Yeah, and it’s become way to common to do. as if stupid asset flips wasn’t bad enough.

      • Daniel Jensen

        “Believe”? The number of developers and whatnot who have already accused Jim of slander and harassment since the lawsuit started is insane. They probably think his past experience makes him more likely to back down.

        It’s like setting off fire crackers next to a sleeping shell-shocked war veteran expecting him to cower and cry, only to have him on top of you with a knife to your throat in less then two seconds.

        • drownedsummer

          Although one of those cases realised they were incorrect, took on Jim’s points and actually wants to try and make something decent. I doubt they’ll be the next Scott Cawthon but they might at least put some effort in.

        • eggabooha

          No kidding. A lot of these Devs act like Jim took footage for the slaughtering grounds and said it was dying light. the problem is that in their own heads they don’t see any problems in return. (even though if they looked up at all they’d notice, being a scumbag makes people not want to buy from you)

          • Daniel Jensen

            Seeing as the only thing I know about Dying Light is that it got polarized reviews (and, well, parkour zombie fighting), I’m not sure what you’re trying to say 🙂

          • eggabooha

            What I am trying to say is: slaughtering ground looks like something spewed up by a garbage can, but IMO dying light looks really nice. (and it is the only zombie game that i actually play so… you know i can’t really compare to anything else) 🙂

  • Nighter3D

    All this to try and convince that “Jim was mean to me on the internet”… Yet wasn’t it this guy that started to actively Impersonate the Sterling persona and did everything he could do to make him look like a “f*cking idiot”?? Jim criticised him and many other shovelware creators, yet he thinks he is entitled to millions (obviously a ploy as even a marginal victory/settlement would equal tens of thousands which is why many in these kinds of cases exagerate their losses massively). Yeah… the guy ain’t no victim and it is kind of obvious this is a frivolous lawsuit.

    The mere idea of this winning is prepostorous. As that would mean i could go and sue anyone who said they hated my drawings in kindergarten even if i responded by calling them a doodoohead.

    Also isn’t patreon kind of a donation thing? I don’t think one DONATING a buck per month on patreon is legally admissable as doing bussiness in Arizona.

    • Richard Fleming

      The problem here is that common sense and legal definitions seldom match up. This is further compounded by the fact that each state can define what ‘doing business’ means.

      Now I’m not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell from a quick scan of brochure 623, simply having a t-shirt delivered by a third-party isn’t enough, but I could be talking outa my bum as well, so take that statement for what it’s worth.

      • Brotown

        Are you talking out your bum Ace Ventura style?

        …cuz if not, then youre just half assing it.

    • drownedsummer

      He did the one video as far as I’m aware when he reviewed Jim’s review of The Slaughtering Grounds and referred to himself as Jim Fucking Sterling Son. Which worked about as well as Gerald Ratner jokingly stating all his merchandise was crap.

      • Mr Ratner wasn’t actually joking as the customers agreed with him and rarely set foot in their stores again.

    • MJC

      His plan is to sue the judge after he loses in court.

  • eggabooha

    Another thing I find terribly ironic is: I watched that entire debate between DH and jim, and DH keep comparing jim to them as “they are both small content creators” and how jim should know how little they make. SO WHY ON EARTH DO THEY THINK HE CAN PAY 15 MILLION DOLLARS?

    • eggabooha

      really quick: there is a HUGE difference between a Youtubers and game
      devs. I looked it up according to business insider the avg youtuber
      makes about 8 dollars, per THOUSAND views. Also we the consumer doesn’t
      have to pay to get access to the video which we do for a game, youtubers
      get paid via ad revue which of course ads are bought by big companies,
      and I am sure a big company (even though it doesn’t come straight threw the companies I’m sure you get my point) can afford to toss a youtuber about .18 cents (just wait and my math is completely wrong) per view more then the avg consumer can toss (I don’t quite remember the actual price of the slaughting grounds so I’m gonna say) 10 dollars on a cruddy game.

    • Daniel Jensen

      I got a comment from Romine himself saying that he’s obligated by the legal system to try to ramp up the costs as much as possible, since even people who win their cases tend to only get a fraction of what they asked for.

      Or something along those lines, probably with references to actual technical reasons as to why this happens. Believe that if you want, and don’t take this as some sort of defense of the wankers 🙂

      • eggabooha

        I don’t know, I don’t know a thing about law but I doubt it would be required that you sue for MORE money.

    • ImaLemming

      Based on some stuff in the 100 Steam Users lawsuit, I’m sure he never expected to get $10/15 million out of this and just wanted to hit Jim with “ten million dollars” in an attempt to scare him into settling. Then upped it to fifteen million when the first number didn’t intimidate him.

      • eggabooha

        that sounds to be a pretty sound theory.

  • THT

    Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how DigiHom would probably still be fine making shovelware if they had just resisted the urge to crown our saviour ‘Jim Fucking Sterling Son’ and not posted the ‘Review the Reviewers’ video? I feel bad for Jim having to pay all the legal fees for such a ludicrous case, but it’s really hilarious how much they escalated the whole situation.

    • eggabooha

      already posted about this haha, yeah I completely agree

  • drownedsummer

    Surely by using such points as evidence this also means Romine is admitting his games are crap?

    • galactix100

      Hell the Steam Cleaner’s the only one to acknowledge DH exists and even then it’s implied rather than specifically stated.

  • Banana

    two questions about this: 1. has this lawsuit effectively dropped Jims docs by revealing his actual name to the world or was that known already? 2. On the assumption that it is entirely impossible for Jim to pay anywhere near 15 million dollars, how would Romine expect to get that money? You can’t pay millions of dollars you don’t have.

    • Philip Elthorpe

      It’s pretty much well known. He’d legally scrap his original name if it wasn’t for some unknown legal issues. Hell, The fact that Romine wants to sue ‘James Stanton’ is a insult to Jim since he, personally, would rather that name burn in Hell.

    • typographie

      I don’t think Jim’s real surname is a particular secret. I actually heard it for the first time from Jim himself on one of the Podquisition episodes (though for the life of me I can’t remember when that was).

      • xxlordxx686

        It was the episode of Resident Evil Apocalypse where he accidentally said his real name.

    • Forrest Kayssen

      Romine actually went to the effort to ‘expose’ Jim’s original surname during that trainwreck ‘debate’ they had back in 2015. Listening back to that while knowing everything that would transpire feels strange, like it’s the first face-off scene between nemeses.

      Damn, Jim deserves a better Nemesis. When are one of these shady Steam groups that upvote Greenlight games that join them going to go full evil and kidnap a princess or something?

      • Brotown

        “Thank you Jim but our Princess is in another Bundle”

      • Corac42

        DigiHom think they’re his Joker, but they’re totally his Riddler.

        • THT

          Don’t insult the Riddler by comparing him to these numbskulls.

          They’re more like his Condiment King.

  • But I don’t claim to give you $1/mo. I DO give you $1/mo. After fees.

    • TheMagicLemur

      Well, it’s already gone past threats, but yeah.

  • ENAY

    I watched Leonard French on youtube about this case. And laughed.

  • BiG_bEn523

    Moral of the story, kids? Learn the difference between harassment and criticism. Hang in there Jim. We’re all rooting for you.

  • Martina Veselá

    I can’t wait for Romine to lose his case so that we can get more info on this. Fingers crossed for an entire episode of Jimquisition dedicated to this mess. Anything to do with DH and the Romines is guaranteed to be comedy gold.

    Good luck, Jim! (not that you’re gonna need it, but still…)

    • Riley Holt

      It’d be a feature-length movie at this point.

      • Martina Veselá

        Hell, I wouldn’t say no to that. The longer it is, the more jokes Jim can fit in it. 🙂

    • Corac42

      After he read this statement on the show, he showed an image of the Wikipedia page for hors d’oeuvres. There’s plenty yet to come.

  • Jonathan Cochren

    A countersuit for defamation on your behalf would make just about as much sense as his libel suit.

    The difference being, his temper tantrum is only furthering your career as a voice for the people. Not destroying it.

    Maybe we should throw him a bone. A hug even.

    Best of luck, Jim. Thank God for you.

    • Kevin Wilson

      Hehe Temper Tantrum

  • anomalous material

    After this undying zombie of a lawsuit ends, I really hope it gets buried with extreme prejudice at a cross-roads at midnight under a new moon.

    • nige22

      And salt the earth so it can’t come back again

      • anomalous material

        You know, I just had a mental image of dozens of Digital Homicide skeletons climbing out of the ground in Ray Harryhausen-like stop motion to do battle with Jim a la Jason and the Argonauts!

        Jim, clad in classical Greek armor (i.e. nearly none), short sword and heater shield, cutting down all the skellingtons! What a film that would make.

        • nige22

          You hear that, Jim? Halloween special 2017

        • ImaLemming

          I’m sure there’s a Unity asset pack for that.

    • Brotown

      Dean and Sam will handle that. No worries.

  • Sean Wisowaty

    I would love Romine’s personal information.

    • Brotown

      I’ll give it to you for $1. Gotta pay me through Arizona means first. …dont ask why.

      *shifty eyes*

  • Sir Faulty

    Those idiots can fuck right off. We should be suing them for the “damage” they did to gaming by just attempting to be in it. These guys are chancers out for the take. They are also incredibly stupid if they think any judge can’t see that from a few country miles of (the mere fact the subpoenaed Valve for private information of 100 users because of the unfair reviews in order to gain restitution) then they they are as brain-dead as the moronic “games” they flouted on Steam.

    I am so glad Steam crushed them. I see even the trading cards from their games have been returned now and are worthless if you had any on the market place.

    Good luck Jim. Fight the good fight for us all.

  • LF Antrider

    I hope this all is resolved soon for you, even though listening to James try and chastise you is some of the funniest shit the world will ever know.

  • Christopher Allen

    So, given a choice to make it about Jim hurting the company, or Jim hurting the Romines personally…they decide to make it personal.

    There is a silver lining to this. Yeah, the lawsuit sucks, but at least we won’t have to worry about DH making crap games anymore.

  • Aaron Bird

    i don’t think we have a word for how deluded he is