Jason_Rayes
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I honestly hope that somehow some of the people who made these comments end up watching it so they can see what pretentious twats they sound like 😉

Miles Saintborough
Member

They’d probably like the attention they got. Some are probably going to act like that on purpose to get Jim’s attention

Xion Eternum
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Xion Eternum
Worth mentioning to anyone who genuinely believes this rhetoric: Those games were like that due to hardware limitations. Quality of life elements we now take for granted would’ve been equally welcome in games of old (See Shovel Knight and others like it). As few and far between as quality games were back then, they had to be strung out too to make them last longer. Sometimes they used Easter Eggs that word of mouth would entice players to come back and hunt down. Sometimes they used cheap deaths that had to be beaten by trial and error, a method far… Read more »
Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

So I decided to look up the original thread this was from and I’m having mixed feelings about this video now.

Reading it fully, after the original commenter responded to the person being made fun here, the commenter makes it clear they were teasing and making fun of the elitist mentality and helps the user. It’s why their comment sounds ridiculous, it’s supposed to be.

I’m not sure we should be using comments like that, seems a bit deceptive to misrepresent the comment here missing that much context. That seems a bit bad form.

Mewshuji
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I should imagine this is why the commenter isn’t named, in case of events like this. Even if it wasn’t serious, it’s still a pretty funny comment.

MuddyScarecrow
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Yeah…I don’t fully buy that. If he helped the guy out that’s great. But “oh lol it’s satire” sounds like someone with an idiotic opinion pretending to be a troll when they get called out for it. “U thought i was srs? lol troll’d u!”

Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander
My goodness, I had not realised what a scrub I was! Let alone partaking in the base habit of save-scamming, I was commiting further the sins of saving at all! *gasp* To think, I have commited such terrible sins as playing all 336 hours of my Crusader Kings 2 game, not in one sitting without saving like a True Gamer, but in many sessions with many, many saves! The humilation! The horror! I must go fall on my sword immediately, as I cannot live with the shame! *stabs self* … … *looks at at avatar* Oh, right. I’m a Lich.… Read more »
Nitrium
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It’s “save-scumming” (not “scamming”). You really don’t know much about hardcore gaming nomenclature, do you? Nothing but a filthy, filthy casual. 😉

Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander

Pahahahahahaha!

Oh my.

Clearly! Clearly. I do not!

*salutes*

Kirk Hammer
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Kirk Hammer

“Back in my day, N64 games such as [5 of the first 10 N64 games anyone can name off the top of their head, minus the ones with maps]…”

Also, using tips in magazines and strategy guides are a sign that you’re *not* a casual, now?

Allan Weallans
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I’ve often found that, however much they like to pretend otherwise, a lot of “hardcore” posturing boils down to willingness to spend money, rather than skill at the game. That’s the salient difference between magazines/strategy guides and, say, GameFAQs. I mean I’m guilty of it too every time I casually mention that I have over 1000 games. That doesn’t prove anything except that I’ve spent money on a hobby. It’s not necessarily something to be proud of. It’d be hard to call me a “casual” when I’ve spent that much money, but all that does is really highlight how absurd… Read more »
MopeyBloke
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A casual wouldn’t go out to buy specialised magazines of course.

Anton
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Anton

Something else that popped into my mind…

The early days of console gaming borrowed heavily from Arcade gaming. Arcade games were difficult, long, and lacked save points specifically so no one would “beat” them, and kids would just have to keep dumping in more and more quarters.

Amy
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So let me get this straight, this gamer is saying people need to git gud because the only good games are hard games (and that saves are a luxury)… then admits to using cheat codes! He’s a casual with delusions of grandeur! Royston bring me my old copies of C&VG, lets beat the peasent with his own cheat codes!

When will people ever learn there are different games for different tastes. Let people enjoy stuff their way.

MuddyScarecrow
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“When will people ever learn there are different games for different tastes?” I said exactly that same thing last episode. That’s something Hardcore Boyz just don’t seem to grasp. Not every single game can be hardcore because not everybody wants to invest dozens of hours into a game. Sometimes they just wanna play Super Hexagon for a few minutes. If every game was “hardcore” then casuals would be completely alienated and guess what? Games would stop selling as well as they are. And then the market collapses. And then you have no games at all. You fucks.

Anton
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Anton

You can’t reason with someone that thinks that every single product on the market should be tailored to THEIR exact preferences.

MuddyScarecrow
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Ok…this one’s actually confusing me. Is this gamer trying to say that saving your game is for casuals? Like…If I’m playing any Resident Evil I should never save ever and should try to play the whole thing in one go because that’s how they did it in the 8-bit era? He….He does realize games evolve right? “Back in my day we had passwords you had to memorize.” Yeah because that’s the only thing the technology was able to do, you idiot! Is this seriously where we’re at now?! That progress is seen as casual now?! Goddamn get your heads out… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

I think the mentality is, because he was able to put up with it, he is more “hardcore” or something.

It’s pretty amusing to see brain-dead twenty somethings essentially recycle the “back in my day…” rants usually reserved for eighty-year-olds.

MuddyScarecrow
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And a lot of these idiotic rants stem from the fact that gaming has changed and concessions have been made to make games more convenient. Like how back in the day you weren’t told how to do Fatalities in Mortal Kombat. You had to somehow figure that shit out on your own. But in the most recent games like 9 and X it’s in the pause menu now. It will not at all surprise me to see a later episode where someone bitches about that. I guarantee it that’s floating around somewhere. “Back in my day you had to flail… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

Oh, I’ve already seen those exact comments, and that is the exact attitude plenty of people have. Because having obscure knowledge that takes tens of hours of trial and error makes you a superior being.

MuddyScarecrow
Member

I understand the “logic” of it. They’re proud of themselves for figuring it out and now everyone can do it just by pressing pause. But withholding those codes was kind of a stupid thing to do in the first place and they should have always been readily available. I never EVER got to do any fatality because of that. And now I can. And somebody is angry about that. Fuck off.

Anton
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Anton

I didn’t say it wasn’t dipshit logic.

MuddyScarecrow
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Sadly every single one of these comments runs on dipshit logic. That’s why so far every single one that the Duke has featured is so goddamn confusing. I think they barely even know what the hell they’re talking about. Also hope you don’t think that “fuck off” was directed towards you. Shoulda worded that better >///>

Anton
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Anton

No worries, I understood the wording.

Chris
Member

Yes, he is attempting to say that technological advances in games are bad because they make them different than he remembers. That’s where we are with ‘hardcore’ guys like him. Anything that has changed in any way since I was a child is bad and scary, and I lack all self awareness to realize that passwords or level selects were there to get around those limits not because the developers somehow thought it was ‘better’ that I do it this way.

MuddyScarecrow
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What I find funny is they’re starting to sound like old men. Cuz that’s what old men do. They complain that kids have no idea how easy they have it because the old men had to MAKE their pencils instead of buying them. Except here rather than trying to teach the young ‘uns to appreciate what they have they’re trying to shame for it. “You BUY your pencils?! Fucking noob! Stop being a bitch and make ’em by hand like I did you coddled casual little queermo!”

Anton
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Anton

Great episode!

On a mostly unrelated note, I really miss physical gaming magazines being relevant. Going to a gamestop/pharmacy/wherever, and picking up the latest edition always made my week back when I was a kid. The news, the reviews….. the cheats….. Sure, the internet is convenient, but it takes a little of the magic out. Plus, with no user feedback, the toxicity of today’s gaming scene simply wasn’t there. Good times.

Amy
Member

Yeah I love the internet, but there was magic to be had from wondering what will be on the cover and finding out what the free game would be. You get something and something is taken away.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I miss game magazines too, Gameinformer is all that’s left.

kimiyoribaka
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kimiyoribaka

Wait, does that mean the commenter actually used the save feature in sonic 3? I hardly ever noticed it because it autosaves without asking or indicating it’s doing so, which now that I think about it was a rather terrible way to handle saving.

Also, I seem to recall literally every fire emblem game having the ability to save, including the original NES game? Maybe I should stop trying to understand.

Barloq
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He’s referring to save states specifically (eg, using an emulator and saving mid-battle, then using that save point to progress if you make any mistakes). I know for a fact that I can beat any FE game, but I’ll admit that save states cut down on a lot of the frustration and repetitiveness. Our “hardcore gamer” in the video needs to grow the fuck up.

MuddyScarecrow
Member

Well that’s kind of the issue isn’t it? Gaming has grown up and people like him haven’t. They’re still stuck in the 8-bit era whereas everyone else has moved on as technology has.

MrInsecure
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MrInsecure
It’s even nuttier than that. A lot of the things he’s complaining about are just the result of technological advances, advances that most people agree are better than the old tech. Password saves were a workaround for a lack of hardware memory for a proper save system; the ubiquitous difficulty was meant to drag out games to make them feel longer than they were (and extract quarters at arcade cabinets); and sometimes, the games were harder because they were just poorly designed or badly made. But god forbid you point out that gaming, in a lot of ways, is just… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

It’s an issue of perceived ownership. Up until the mid/late 2000’s, gaming was still a niche thing for the pimply uncool nerd masses. It was what they had, and for some people, it was all they had. Now that gaming is mainstream and (god forbid) accessible, these neckbeards are afraid of losing their perceived ownership over the medium. That’s why they’re all nostalgic about how gaming was way better back in the good old days (even though it wasn’t), and why they’re so toxic now.

So, what I’m saying is, these gamers are basically Trump voters *rimshot*.

Allan Weallans
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Yeah, there was a whole thing for games with saves on the NES where you were supposed to press the reset button at the same time as switching the machine off, otherwise (it was said) your saves might get lost. The only game I remember doing that with was Zelda II, but I’m pretty sure there were a lot more (the original Zelda and the Final Fantasies, to say the least).

Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

Also not related but something I’ve always was curious about the Bit War era of gaming, what was Blast Processing? Also why did the game companies stop making commercials where they straight up openly mocked the competitors (or showed their systems like that CDO baddies toys one or that Sega Megadrive Blast Processing one)?

Dragongelf
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I remember leaving the NES on overnight because i had finally made it to world 6 on mario bors 3 as a 6-year old. because sure enough, you couldn’t save your progress and were forced to continue playing the next day that way.

boy I sure wish we could go back to that with our 100+ hour RPGs!

mjc0961
Member

You went to bed and continued playing the next day? You filthy CASUAL! You’re supposed to keep playing with no breaks. Have Royston bring you coffee if you need to stay awake! Sheesh!

Greene Scott
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Greene Scott
I never grew up with the NES because well I never existed during that time being born in 1993 and all, My fist console was a Gameboy Colour in 2000 (before that I played stuff on my brother Game Gear, PlayStation and his own Gameboy Colour). My experience with them was via the Wii or Emulators and binged on a ton of them and some of them are very good and still hold like Kirby’s Adventure, Megaman 2, Ducktales and Super Mario Bros 2 USA is one of my fav games of all time, other felt dated but fun like… Read more »
dyscode
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The game has to bend to my rules, simple as that! I alter the gameplay as I see fit, according to wether I feel the devs just put busywork in my way and how much fun they made it.
Most of the time it’s fun ‘getting gud’, sometime the game has it’s spike moments that I just can’t be bothered with, like stupid boss fights or similar. Devs are not infallable either in level and mechanic design, so why should I be. Otherwise we did not need game reviews.
There is no perfect pasta sauce, there are only perfect pasta _souces_.

Allan Weallans
Member

I’m sure I said this last time, but during the NES era I had about six games. Games could afford to be cheap with “git gud” bullshit because there weren’t other games competing for my attention. Yes, scarcity made us more tolerant of bad design, but that didn’t magically make the bad design good.

Sperium3000
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How dare you play the game in a way that affects only you and nobody else? THE GALLOWS FOR YOU, YOU RAPSCALLION!

Netrigan
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Netrigan
Admittedly I’m not Original Gamer like the kids who followed me, but I never quite understood the never-dying nostalgia for the cheap tactics of the third generation. For a second generation kid, I was used to games that tended to last minutes and where high scores were king, and while we weren’t above buying a book or magazine to Get Gud (i.e. memorize patterns to get you farther in Pac-Man). Don’t get me wrong, I loved me some Super Mario Bros back in the day, but we were dealing with a lot of games spinning out of the most cynical… Read more »
El Chica Incognitus
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I had save states when I was a baby in the 90’s…

I mean the NES and SNES/Genesis were basically emulated while they were still considered relevant consoles. These “old school hardcore” gamers half the time don’t even know what the fuck they’re talking about.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Splendid! I think the Duke should take his own camera crew to a gaming event like E3 or gamescom or whatever else in a mockumentary style adventure where he snivels dismissively at all the casual games and has talks and interviews with gamers that unironically speak like that in real life. Like a Sacha Baron Cohen character for gaming. I see a future with the Duke here!

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