EA And Battlefront II Really Fucked This Up (The Jimquisition)

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Star Wars Battlefront II was a bit of a misstep, huh?

EA is licking its wounds after the massive loot box backlash, but there’s little time to heal.

They got too greedy to fast, and now legislators are interested in games… and gambling.

La Chica Incognita
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La Chica Incognita

I’m really hoping Disney revokes EA’s right to utilize the Star Wars license. As much as people like to complain and shit on Disney they’ve done a hell of a lot of good for the Star Wars franchise compared to the direction George Lucas had it headed in.

Then again I am hoping and predicting EA as a company will be going under in the next decade so I’m a bit biased

Uldihaa
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If this continues the way I expect, EA will almost certainly lose its Star Wars license. Disney does not fuck around with protecting its brand. Which would mean that Battlefront 2 would once more be the last Battlefront for the foreseeable future. How strange.

David
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Can I just ask a question…

Why are these still considered “micro” transactions??? When the term was coined it was a $5 purchase… tops… in a mobile game… that’s why they were “micro” small transactions… adding up… nickle and diming… literally some times nickles and dimes…

BF2 was going to have “micro” transactions for over $100…

These would have been “transactions”

Riuny
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Riuny

There is no doubt that some sort of regulation is going to be made whether we like it or not. But aside from that, few questions have arised in my head which I need to think about as a gamer and also as a game designer. Also I do want to share some opinions with other people as well. 1. Personally, I think the concept of lootbox itself is not predatory at all. But when it is combined with “real-monetary value” and “game-affecting changes” it could be considered as gambling. The problem is with the term “game-affecting changes” which is… Read more »

Polishfury5000
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A really satisfying episode. Even if nothing happens from this long run, it’s still nice to know some suits in EA were scrambling to put out fires from the past weeks, as it’s impossible to sweep outrage this big under the rug. I feel a little bad for Dice in all this, to a point. They’re a good dev team, and responsible for some of my fondest multiplayer memories. That said, they made a deal with a devil, though maybe they got locked in indefinitely before the sleaze shown through. Was EA a grimy in the mid 00’s (forgot when… Read more »

Oliver Mendes
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Never understood the “just cosmetic” argument. The whole point, at least in a MP game is to look cool and stand out from everyone else. Plus, if the cosmetics really didn’t matter then why would publishers put them in lootboxes and make microtransactions out of them to begin with?

Ford.Fairlane
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Ford.Fairlane

“We didn’t allow Joe Camel to encourage your kids to smoke cigarettes and we shouldn’t allow Star Wars to encourage your kids to gamble.”

Ouch; that one’s going to leave a mark.

If that makes its way to Mainstream Media, I’d expect another call from Disney soon.

Randym1982
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Randym1982

This what happens when a company get’s too greedy and big for it’s own business. They end up fucking it up for everybody else.

killertapir
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killertapir

Jim: “Stop sticking your dick in loot boxes”

EA: “Instructions unclear. Dick stuck in loot box”

Benj
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Benj

Seriously EA how did you fuck up this bad.

We’ve got a bunch of gamers celebrating because several groups of politicians want to regulate video games… to protect children!

…I never really expected to be on this side of that argument!

Natalie
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Natalie

I’m reading the document from the Belgian Gambling Commission. What’s interesting is that they didn’t just look at pay-to-win mechanics in Gamblefront II, but also analyze the situation around cosmetic items. Overwatch and and CS:GO are mentioned explicitly to demonstrate how these in-game items can be said to have a “real monetary value” even though to an outsider they seem to have no real world value. They say that in most multiplayer games, there is a strong competitive atmosphere which extends to “who looks the best”. Also I can’t help but wonder if one of the researches watched Jim’s videos.… Read more »

Andreas G.
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This’ll be an interesting situation to play out. My guess though is that lootboxes will not end up outright banned, but be restrained under gambling laws (which will shut games that feature them out of certain markets anyway, seeing as there are countrys that have bans on gambling, most notably online gambling which is what I imagine this’ll fall under). Considering the situation in other countries, I have very little ideas to what might happen. Yes, the Hawaii legislation is good in theory, but it can still be overruled by a higher legal entity. And as for the situation here… Read more »

Almighty
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Almighty

Does someone know whats the theme going in the background?

saynotogamblingingames
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saynotogamblingingames

This is why I support Jim’s patreon because he is a new age gaming prophet lol

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Even if it takes time, the fact that kid’s mental health with access to gambling-esque services in games being brought up in international, public political debate means Disney are not going to like the association at all and may be forced to reconsider or put their foot down with a firm hand on EA’s bullshit once and for all. EA don’t care about their juicy cash-dispensing consumers’ concerns, but their business partners? Especially larger more powerful ones such as Disney who kind of care about their IPs? Oh they’ll listen to them all right. They’ll listen with hand-wringing intensity. You… Read more »

saynotogamblingingames
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saynotogamblingingames

Amazing work! Jim thanks for giving a shit.

Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

So what’s going to happen to DICE in all this, do you think this is their first step in closing down?

Also good, would be interesting to see how this would go down in the UK as the ESRB’s definition of gambling wouldn’t roll here after the law was changed here when a company sold scratch cards to kids and teens in magazines and used the “Well you always win something” loop hole which is now closed.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Once again, let’s not forget that Even Wingren, the author behind CNBC’s article stating that gamers were “Overreacting” to Star Wars Microtransactions, is on EA and Comcast’s payroll.
He’s listed as the Keybanc Capital Markets Analyst under EA’s employee directory.
(This beared repeating)

Galactix100
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Galactix100

I’m not sure Battlefront is a good example of the ‘microtransactions are necessary because games are too expensive to make otherwise’ line being bullshit. Of course the removal of MTs isn’t gonna hurt, it’s a Star Wars game. It was gonna make its money back and then some regardless. It’s hard to say how much of an impact dropping MTs will actually have.

If it had been a less colossal property, even something as relatively popular as, for example, Mass Effect then EA’s reassurances to the share holders that MTs don’t matter that much would be far more damning.

malcom young
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malcom young

It’s a glorious day ! It’s not a victory but it’s soooo good to see publishers, “gaming journalizt” and Disney put at the stake. Disney is shaking for its movie (they can, their stronghold is falling apart since several years), EA is seeing its investors coming, raging against them, don’t forget Activision that treid to mprofit of the situation with Star Craft 2: it remind me childs, one of them made a mistake and gets quarreled, another one is coming and try to ridicule the first, the parent turn to him and: – Do you also want your share ?… Read more »

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I’ve been thinking recently with it approaching year-end the difficulty of deciding on what my favourite games are.

I now think it will be far harder to decide on what Jim’s best video has been this year.

Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander

Pahahahahahahahahahaha!

*gives Jim a figurative high five*

Yeah, this might not win the war, but it’s nice to see a small victory now and again. (It is a shame that our UK authority elected only to “keep an eye on it” – but then again, maybe if other places start doing something, they might have to come down off the fence. We can but hope.)

I take a bit of personal satisifation after seeing Unicronic Arts chew up so many of my favourite developers and their franchises (Bullfrog/Dungeon Keeper, Westwood/C&CF, Bioware) that some petard hoisting is finally happening.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Jim’s laugh partway through? Glorious. Anywho, Australia is notoriously insane when it comes to over-regulating. While everyone has their money on Belgium since they talked about it first, I bet that the land down under will beat them to the punch and set worldwide precedent. And while they haven’t been in the news over it, I have a feeling Japan will be making an announcement soon (if not already). Japanese games made for the homeland are almost notoriously lacking these gambling mechanics outside the mobile space, opting instead for up-front payment MTX and micro-DLC. Gambling as a whole is heavily… Read more »

zekses
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zekses

This proves that Jim’s bashing of OW lootboxes was completely unjustified. When publishers overstep, authorities intervene. Blame morons at EA all you want, but Hit… Activision really did nothing wrong.

MuddyScarecrow
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No matter the outcome on this situation this has been a pretty tasty chunk of schadenfreude due to the fact that we all know EA thought they’d get away with this. As previously stated this was meant to be an “apology” for Battlefront 2015’s lack of content what with all the content this supposedly had. That they just couldn’t goddamn help themselves shows that they seriously thought people would be ok with this. “Oh they’ll eat it all up we’re the good guys now! We have a half finished campaign now they’ll have no choice but to love us!” And… Read more »