So About That Time I Gave Hellblade A 1/10…

Sometimes you don’t quite consider every facet of something until the thing is done. Unfortunately this was the case with a previously published review for Hellblade.

The review will be back, but given the personally unprecedented situation, I need to think about it more than I initially did.

Jarsh
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Jarsh

Good on you Jim. Handled a crap situation with tact.

Dooid
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Dooid
I’m genuinely disappointed. I’m a big fan of your work and I’ve been a Patreon subscriber for quite a while. I can understand how you angry you might have felt at the time and we all do things in the heat of the moment that we regret afterwards. You’ve taken the review down and you’re rethinking your position, I commend that. However, I actually find your explanation video more offensive than the initial review. It struck me as an arrogant attempt to climb-down clumsily from your own mistake. Pride comes before the fall. I’ll be giving my continued Patreon subscribership… Read more »
Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

I’m sure your contribution will be sorely missed and Jim will most certainly have no choice but to think twice about ever posting any introspection ever again.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

I feel all warm and fuzzy when these things happen, like a calm resolution grown from humble self-awareness and understanding that i wish many more people utilised. The world would be a far more peaceful place for it. 🙂
This game is a really nice starting price for a very intriguing idea, with some personal experience in the explored psychology there too. I hope it does well even though i personally can’t afford it right now. Ninja Theory are a respectable, passionate bunch.

AsgarZigel
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AsgarZigel

I understand the anger about the gamebreaking bug, but you definitely made the right call removing the video and doing the review.
Honestly, if something like this even happens, putting up a review out of anger and spite, you should probably think about hiring an editor who vets the review before it goes live.

Lizard King
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Thanks for the honest update Jim, hopefully you sort out a plan of action once you’ve had a think on it. Never a good idea to post a review whilst in a rage; but sod it, you live and learn.

I’ll probably be picking this up based on the experience you enjoyed prior to the bug. Games like this deserve to be encouraged in the current climate in my opinion and the model of production that NT are following looks promising.

I’ll just make sure to re-light that torch… 🙂

Kim Schmitt
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I hope you do this game justice this time Jim, it deserves more.

mmunier
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mmunier

looks like there’s another pathetic attempt to censorship going on here, but by who?
anyways, can’t wait for jim to tear the responsible(s?) apart verbally.
because whatever he might have said, he probably had the right ot say it, and the page doesn’t seem to refer to a copyright problem…

Peter
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Peter

The man who moan about censorship in steam comments is doing it himself disgusting.

Lizard King
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Not quite mate…

CogInTheWheel
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CogInTheWheel

Oooh, sucks for you jimbo. Was this an early build you had? Didnt seem to happen during any of the other reviews.

Also not sure what happened to the video…oh well.

Lizard King
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What happened to the review Jim? Just watched it on YouTube, went to comment and it disappeared?

BenXL
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BenXL

I assume JIm has realized he made a grave mistake in his review. I didn’t even have chance to watch it.

Peter
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Peter

I think Jim removed as it been point out the game may not be broken but in fact Jim miss a torch on my wall .
And he’s hopeful going back and checking if it was his fault or the games .

Justin
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Justin

Oooh, does this mean the next Jimqusition will be on, Jim?

Lizard King
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That would explain it. I hope it’s the case as it’s a massive shame that his experience was so soured when everyone else seems to have had no issues.

I also noticed that Jim didn’t mention the combat permadeath mechanic that other reviews have touched on, though it’s possible he never encountered it.

Tycerax
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Tycerax
There’s a problem there: Jim said that he REALLY TRIED to finish that segment but Hellblade deletes your save file if you die too many times. So the game should have deleted his file if really died a lot. I think he glitched the game somehow. Or the review copy may have been altered (which shouldn’t be true because other reviewers like PC Gamer mention the Game Over mechanic). I think the devs sent Jim an earlier version (that is broken at the end and doesn’t have Game Over mechanic implemented) by mistake and they didn’t notice it until the… Read more »
Peter
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Peter

Me too but Jim did get very defensive when people suggested it was his own fault and it was not the games as we have all done it we have all missed that important item that’s been staring us in the face for 3 hours .
It’s very embarrassing if it was Jims fault giving 1 of 10 cos something he missed and most of the review was this one bit.
The lesson is always double check critics reviews .

GreenGarden
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GreenGarden

As jim said in the video, he made the video private so technically it’s there but no oen can watch unless he allows it.

Peter
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Peter

What happened to your review did you take it down from YouTube as it gone ?

That Damn Rat
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That Damn Rat

The video you’re commenting on answers your question.

Carl-Johan
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Carl-Johan

Aw, you took it down? But it was actually a good review. For a game with that little variability in its simulation to break down that bad is absolutely a legitimate reason for concern.

Arcane Azmadi
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Arcane Azmadi
Damnation. The game DID look utterly fantastic and unique, like a shining example of what a game developer can do when they’re not in thrall to the vile evils of the “publishers”, that cabal of cock-ends who exist to do nothing except screw games up on the way to mass release. But yeah, if the game is LITERALLY UNBEATABLE because they completely failed to playtest a significant section of it… then it’s not a game. It’s a fucking demo. Maybe an 8-hour long demo, but you don’t pay for 80% of a game (or at least not 80% of a… Read more »
Peter
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Peter

Hold your horse It’s not unbeatable as their are YouTube video of the ending .
This bug Looks it happened because Jim missed a torch on the wall he was meant to pick .
Which the very first comment on YouTube asks Jim about .
And video review has now disappeared/deleted.
I would take the 7/8 of 10 as it looks like Jim mucked up .

othertomperson
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othertomperson

Yes and no. If the game only allows for one save file, and it glitched to respawn him at a checkpoint after this torch was available then that mistake compounding with the glitches would have made that save unfinishable. It would be forgivable if the game allowed for multiple saves, so if one were corrupted it didn’t mean restarting the whole thing. Coupled with the “die x number of times and you need to start the game again,” the whole jank save system is really putting me off

BAH!
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BAH!
Except an autosave isn’t a glitch, it’s very literally a feature. So to place an autosave in a scenario where the PC will almost certainly wind up dead mere moments later – with no ability to backtrack and correct the initial mistake – is extremely bad design. And when you stack on top of that the fact that the player has a limited number of deaths before the game file erases itself? No. Ninja Theory created something, and then failed to do basic testing to make sure a single, simple player mistake doesn’t completely ruin the experience. It doesn’t matter… Read more »
GreenGarden
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GreenGarden

Wait the game does what if you die too many times? Oh please tell me it’s another one of those “If you die well not let you play the thing you bought ever again” types of games?

Even if it isn’t, the whole idea of erasing the player’s game data on is something I really don’t like game doing, I don’t want to play the first Nier because of that.

BAH!
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BAH!

It erases the save file and forces you to start over. It’s an artistic choice meant to metaphorically represent a facet of the struggles experienced by those with mental illness, and I can appreciate that.

But it’s also a mandatory mechanic, so fuck that.

LamontRaymond
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LamontRaymond

Love that you calls ’em as you sees ’em. No fear.

LamontRaymond
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LamontRaymond

And respect that you had such a quick re-think on it. At least we know you weren’t pressured to do so by some editor, or some advertiser…. We look to you for that honest assessment – bring it back to us when you’re ready, Jim….

Corey
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Corey

Man, that’s really disappointing. The game looks great and the meat of your review makes it sound absolutely up my alley but I have zero love for games that waste one’s time, let alone a game that does so by being broken. I’m sure this will get patched and become worthy of critical praise and I’ll probably buy and love it then. Just disappointing that I’ll seemingly have to wait for them to fix something that never should have made it through playtesting.

andre
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andre

dude the game is broken just for this dude,since a lot of people are playing the game with no problem….

Maddy
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Maddy

Well, you convinced me to get it.
Even if I encounter this gamebreaker you did, I’m probably not gonna regret it.

Jesse
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Jesse

I really want to try this if it gets fixed. I’d also love to see high-production games made with an independent style and price become more common.

Anyway, do you have a different mascot for each numbered score, or is it just whichever one you feel like?

BAH!
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BAH!
@Jim In regards to the broken ending, is there not another torch on the wall about 100 feet after crossing under the waterfall? Can you not use it to relight your own? Or is it just some kind of lighting effect? Though even if it were, and the player was intended to run to it, relight their torch, and continue on; I somehow suspect a checkpoint respawn would leave them with an unlit torch. Also: I was somewhat unsure about the video reviews since I really liked your writing style, but the new format makes up for it since it… Read more »
Uldihaa
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He said the torch didn’t spawn in a comment.

BAH!
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BAH!

As in a comment on Youtube? Because I don’t watch most of his videos there.

And I take that to mean that the actual torch object didn’t spawn, but the light from it did? Makes sense considering how glitchy that section is. It’s just weird he didn’t address it in the video, instead making it sound as though the player is *intended* to run in the dark.

gasmaskangel
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Damn shame about that bug. I’ll have to hold off on it for now, which means it will rot in my steam wishlist until it goes on sale.

Gnome de Plume
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Gnome de Plume

You are truly the Dark Souls of game reviewers.

Understandable, if I had to deal with that bullshit it would colour any previous enjoyment I might have had beforehand.

James Haynes
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@Totalbiscuit
If you die too much Hellblade deletes your save file. It’s not an optional mode. It’s an outdated, stupid waste of everyone’s time.

was this a related issue?

BAH!
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BAH!

I don’t know about “outdated” since I can only think of one game that ever did that, but it *is* pretty shit nonetheless.

jecomans
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jecomans

It was very common well into the 90’s when games still took design philosophy from the arcade era. It’s outdated.

Justin
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Justin

Really? Name other game that does that.

BAH!
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BAH!

Within the broader context of a “lives system”, obviously it’s been done to death, but I recall a game that erased your save file if you died even once. it was on the PS3, I think? Some Japanese 3D mech shmup or something.

I recall thinking “that is incredibly stupid” when I first heard it described. I still think that.

That Damn Rat
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That Damn Rat

SO basically you have lives. Jesus, Satan and Buddha I thought we were done with that crap.

DecibelleMusic
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Can you please, please post transcripts of your video reviews here? It’s really difficult to latch onto what you say at times (especially because English is my second language). This was really the only thing that bothered me about the first video review.

Orkimedes
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Orkimedes

ooo, a video review. Colour me intruiged

Orkimedes
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Orkimedes

I like the format, it’s got good pacing and good utilization of the video component. Fascinating first subject, too bad it’s got game-breaking shit late into the game.

Dorian
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Dorian

I love that you are doing video reviews. Any chance of doing a Pyre review? I am currently madly in love with that game.

Geoffrey de Brouwer
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Sure, dock the game points for being broken, but ONE???? Not fair in the slightest

Steve B
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Seems… Slightly harsh. Will you revisit after the inevitable patch?

Uldihaa
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What score should he have given it? It’s BROKEN. It does not allow him to progress past that point.

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