Mankind Divided‘s Breach Mode Is Designed To Divide You From Your Money

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is finally out, but it seems we can’t ever have a major release – even a fantastic one – without some controversy overshadowing things. The grim news this time? Eidos Montreal’s otherwise fantastic release has become yet another “AAA” game to go the fee-to-pay route.

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Yesterday, news broke that Mankind Divided featured a lot of microtransactions. Despite totally covering this once before, I’d forgotten about them by the time I played the game, mostly because they’re confined to Breach, an additional gameplay mode that is dull as hell and didn’t interest me in the slightest.

Breach is an extrapolation of the story campaign’s most boring sequence – a series of stark, mostly monochrome “virtual reality” maps in which cyberpunk hackers run around downloading data before escaping the level with their earnings. It’s a rubbish mode, quite frankly, and not worth your time.

It’s certainly not worth your money.

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It is something I definitely should not have dismissed so readily, however, given the fact that Breach is every free-to-play trope shoved into a $60 product.

Even Breach’s tutorial is set up like a free-to-play game, giving you “free” booster packs and PRAXIS kits that you’re forced to used immediately, more concerned with explaining how purchasable cards and items work than how to play the game itself. I’ve tried many free-to-play games on mobile, and they almost always start this way.

Deus Ex even does the classic “dual currencies” thing. You have regular credits, which are earned liberally during play as the worthless bullshit money, and you have chips – the premium currency that actually gets shit done.

The whole thing’s structured like a two-bit mobile game rather than a worthwhile online component to a major premium release.

Fortunately, these microtransactions don’t infect the main reason anybody is buying a Deus Ex game. The single-player mode isn’t hawking anything at you, at least it wasn’t during my 30+ hours of playtime, and hasn’t sold out its dignity like Dead Space 3 did when it shoehorned a whole new economy into the experience.

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Still, Square Enix’s indomitable avarice is on display once again, and it’s a really bad look. It’s insulting to see fourteen additional purchase options the moment you’ve just spent $60 on a game – especially when most of those options are designed to be bought multiples of times.

Starting small, you can buy 1,000 credits for $0.99 and work your way up the price chain until you’re dishing out $29.99 – basically half the the cost of the game itself – for a chipset pack.

One weird note – unless my eyes deceive me, the microtransactions are more expensive on Xbox One. The 500 chip pack flogs XBO users for $39.95 as opposed to $29.99.

The same is true for a lot of the prices. 1,000 credits is $0.99 on PS4, but $1.40 on Xbox One. It can’t be tax considering the huge markup.

I’m assuming that’s a pricing error on the part of the Xbox One version, though it’s been unchanged since yesterday. After checking and double checking, these look to be the exact same packs at significantly different prices.

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This is the way of things, naturally. The eighth console generation started strong on the microtransaction front, showcasing an industry determined to naturalize fee-to-pay elements and bore us with their inclusion enough to where nobody cares to protest.

The saturation has indeed worked, too. Each new game that utilizes microtransactions causes less and less of a stir. Game journalists half-heartedly report on them at best, outright blast anybody complaining about them on social media at worst. The Reddit thread on this issue is full of people aggressively apathetic about it – not just uncaring, but combatively critical of those who do care.

The language around microtransactions has changed – executives creepily call more substantial DLC “macrotransactions” as if to imply fee-to-pay has always been around. They’re being spun as favors, something provided to “make fans happy” and “customize” the way we play. The banality of bullshit is in play – enough games have pulled these stunts now that it’s hard to remember a time when they weren’t being pulled.

We’ve always been at war with Eurasia, after all.

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The good news, of course, is that only Breach has been negatively affected, and Breach is negativity incarnate to begin with. Hell, I can’t even play Breach right now. As of this morning, it keeps crashing during startup and I’m not particularly sad about it.

Sadly, however, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is yet another superb game I’ll no longer be considering for awards when GOTY season rolls around. Due to my long-standing policy of not awarding fee-to-pay games of any stripe, it’s instantly disqualified from any additional honorifics, though I do not regret the score I gave it – that was based on the excellent single-player material.

You may ask why I wouldn’t consider Mankind Divided for awards when I don’t regret the score, and I have a very simple answer for you – because fuck microtransactions in $60 game, whatever form they take.

Fuck them hard. Fuck them to the Moon. Fuck them with a big shiny augmented penis.

Something something I didn’t ask for this something something memes.

Martina Veselá
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Martina Veselá

Everything Square Enix touches turns to shit. They started with Tomb Raider, now they’re working on Deus Ex. Give them time, they’ll fuck up the rest of their IPs. If only someone else obtained Eidos’s franchises, anyone.

Anton
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Anton

I thought people still like the new TR.

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

General reception is that the games are good, just Enix’s business practices are not good.

Martina Veselá
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Martina Veselá

Many people do, and just as many don’t. I’m one of those who didn’t like it. It’s basically just Uncharted with all the charismatic characters removed and replaced with whiny, unlikeable Final Fantasy reject masquerading as Lara Croft.

BAH!
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BAH!

To be fair, at least the games themselves are largely pretty solid. They’ve not gone Konami with their properties, yet.

Anton
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Anton

I’ve only played the first reboot game. It was decent… but I’ve already played Uncharted.

BAH!
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BAH!

My takeaway from Tomb Raider was that someone on the dev team *really* loved explosions.

diamond
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diamond

They’re not that similar. Tomb Raider has much better and less clunky combat for example.

Martina Veselá
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Martina Veselá

They’re okay, yes, they play alright and look good. It’s still disgusting that they push microtransactions so hard. I’ve been a Tomb Raider fan since the 90’s and microtransactions in RotTR cheapen the franchise.

Student of Alchemy
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Student of Alchemy

So, will this be keeping DE:MD off Jim’s Best of the Year list?

kiben007
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kiben007

Yes. He says that in the article.

kljs
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kljs

Jim, this one really is optional. If you don’t play Breach, you are not affected by it..

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

Congrats, you’re the kind of person who lets it creep in. Those who like to play Breach don’t find it as optional. Breach is still part of a $60 purchase. Development time and money was spent on this mode. So it is still worth bringing up.

Anton
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Anton

I’m also currently not affected by world hunger. Can I still be unhappy that world hunger is a thing?

diamond
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diamond

fucking idiot

Anton
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Anton

The sad thing is, it’s only gonna get worse. Once Square sees that no one is playing Breach, the next DE game will have microtransactions in the campaign.

And why do people keep defending this shit?

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

‘Because it’s optional’ ‘You don’t have to buy them’ ‘Who cares, it’s expected’ ‘Stop bitching about this already’ ‘The developer is just trying to make it easier for those who don’t have time to play games all day.’ All of those, their not good reasons, but their the usual reasons.

Anton
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Anton

Basically, the fanboy will always bend over backwards for the publisher, because publisher is god and any who speak heresy against it must be silenced. Lovely.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Hey, you forgot the “It’s just cosmetics!”

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

How silly of me, that’s usually the first one trotted out.

Unnoticing Senpai
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Unnoticing Senpai

“Some of us prefer to buy the game and pay for the game to play itself rather than enjoy the product we sunk money into.”

Stephen Mc Devitt
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Stephen Mc Devitt

Garden Warfare 2, Overwatch, now Deus Ex? It doesn’t sound there’s many games this year that’ll be in Jim’s top best list aside Pony Island and Reigns.

diamond
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diamond

There’s also DOOM.

Tobasco da Gama
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This definitely seems to be the new thing. Rise of the Tomb Raider did something similar by showering you in currency and cards for some kind of challenge mode thing I never played. Cards are, of course, also purchasable with real money. It’s weird to have something in-game so obviously calculated to provoke apathy. They know that most people are coming to these games for the story modes and, more importantly, that most reviewers will only review the story modes, so shoving microtransactions into these optional modes will mostly inspire shrugging, even from the majority diehard fee-to-pay haters. I’ll confess… Read more »
Saint Link
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Saint Link

But apparently this Breach mode is very good, I hope there’s no paywall unless you’re really bad at it.

Chris N
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Chris N

Isn’t $60 enough of a paywall?

Andreas Langberg
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Andreas Langberg

Considering that’s what you pay for the singleplayer experience that is this game’s main selling point: no

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

So what is your preferred paywall then?

Andreas Langberg
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Andreas Langberg
This is a tacked on multiplayer game. You don’t buy this game for its multiplayer. The initial 60 dollar you paid was for the singleplayer. Thus there is no “paywall” for its multiplayer component (If you find me a person who wants to play this game mainly for its multiplayer, they will indeed have a $60 paywall. As it stands, you don’t). What Saint Link obviously referred to here is if you can’t play the multiplayer at all without paying something, or worse not be able to play it properly without getting pummeled by those who have cashed out. That… Read more »
Decibelle
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“This is a tacked on multiplayer game.”

In all honesty, that should make it even less excusable.

Andreas Langberg
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Andreas Langberg

Excusable for what exactly? Everything mentioned here has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Saint Link was hoping there wouldn’t be a paywall. And Chris N mentioned, wrongly, that the upfront 60 bucks is a paywall, which it just isn’t. If the game actually has a real paywall or not I don’t know. But judging by the very article we are commenting on, I would assume so. (In the form of everyone who has paid will be able to play better than those who have not)

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

$60 is not what you pay for just the single player experience, but for the whole game. The single player and Breach. If you cannot play Breach without that $60 investment, then yes there is a a paywall of $60.

Chris N
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Chris N

So the fee-to-pay part of the game isn’t included in that price? Wut? How does that work?

Andreas Langberg
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Andreas Langberg

I’ve already addressed this below

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

Obviously not to the satisfaction of others. Unless I can play Breach without buying Mankind Divided the game mode has a $60 entry fee. Regardless of what I bought the game for. It’s not a paywall in the traditional sense of the word usually referring to how much one must pay to be competitive or actually preventing you from progressing unless you pay up. So it may not be a paywall in the strictest sense but it without question has an entry fee.

Chris N
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Chris N

Least you could do is link your comment instead of making me wade through all 470 of them.

Andreas Langberg
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Andreas Langberg

Trust me, it doesn’t matter in the slightest. It didn’t have anything to do with the article, and frankly something I don’t care to argue pedantically over.

Allan Weallans
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Allan Weallans

The weird thing is, if they’d released Mankind Divided without Breach, and released Breach as a separate free-to-play game (even with its microtransactions) to market Mankind Divided, no-one would be complaining. That’s not a defence of Square Enix here; it’s wondering why the hell they didn’t do just that.

BAH!
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BAH!

I wager they figured it wouldn’t be as profitable if separated, but it would have been a really good idea to release Breach, like, a week beforehand. I’d have probably given it a try.

galactix100
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galactix100

It likely wouldn’t have gotten as much attention if it had been released separately. There’s more potential for making money by adding it on.

Warmadillo Inc.
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Warmadillo Inc.

What I really want to know is: how much money does this actually make them? Whenever these pointless mobile transactions get into the game everyone says “You don’t have to buy them” and you have discussions like this that are full of people saying it is bullshit and they won’t make the purchase. I’d be curious to find out if the make much of anything off of it.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

I’d like to know too. Microtransactions are usually after the whales. A single whale spends up to thousands of dollars each month.

Fallen Prime
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Fallen Prime

No one would complain because there’s much less of a stigma on microtransactions on games that DON’T already charge you up-front to play them.

Viking Mana
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Viking Mana
I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that we’re ever going to be rid of this kind of thing. I’m starting to get to the point where I’m almost willing to just accept that every triple-A game these days comes with a shitty multiplayer component that’s out to strip the most hardcore fans of their hard-earned money. I mean, this particular case isn’t really relevant to me because I haven’t played and Deus Ex games as of yet, and I usually don’t do multiplayer games, but I don’t find this half as egregious and fucking disgusting as when Blizzard… Read more »
john forrest
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john forrest

Just remember, even if you become apathetic, don’t become aggressive in your apathy. Enough blowback and things will change, but publishers will count on those becoming apathetic to start attacking those who still get outraged.

Viking Mana
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Viking Mana

I’m not.. In fact, I just don’t have the passion to fight for either side anymore. There’s no morale left.

diamond
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diamond

I’m still fucking angry about and people shouldn’t react with apathy, even when it happens with games I have zero interest in playing like Guitar Hero Live it still pisses me off.

Viking Mana
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Viking Mana
I just can’t find it within myself to keep getting angry about it. Clearly it’s been normalized to the point where we’re all fighting a loosing battle. This is what “Hardcore Gaming” looks like today, whether it’s Overwatch or Deus Ex, and it hasn’t gotten any better. We’ve been angry about day-1 DLC and Season Passes for years and years, and those have only gotten worse to the point where Season Passes that cost almost the same as the game they’re attached to is a regular occurrence and not headline news anymore. Microtransactions in full price Triple-A games are now… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

That’s exactly what the publishers want you to do though, you’ve already lost when you start saying things like that. You may be willing to give up but many of us are not.

Net Blanka
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Net Blanka

Dragon Quest VII GOTY…NO Discussion.

BAH!
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BAH!

THERE we go! I was wondering why there was no mention in the review. Well, I won’t complain about a whole article on how, yet again, bullshit microtransactions are bullshit.

And the best part is that they can’t even be “justified” this time around. They’re not “supporting free future content” or “helping fund the servers”. This is Fee-to-Pay at its absolute most basic and greediest. Fuck that noise.

And with that in mind, I’ll *definitely* wait for the super ultra deluxe edition that will no doubt be released at the end of the year.

Martijn Fiering
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Martijn Fiering

I wonder, if there aren’t any servers, couldn’t one just use Cheatengine to change the ‘premium’ resources? I mean, I’ve done it before. Fuck Microtransactions.

BAH!
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BAH!

When I say “servers”, I mean dedicated servers. I think pretty much all multiplayer games use servers to some extent, but if they’re not actually hosting the matches, you’d better not try to present them as a reason for microtransactions.

Martijn Fiering
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Martijn Fiering

Couldn’t agree more.

Andraste
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Andraste
There’s no incentive for companies to act ethically off their own backs. Their one and only conern is profit and a good reputation. Consumers have to demand honesty and integrity, and vote with their wallets to back that up. It’s like cage eggs in Australia. The big grocery stores were happy to sell a morally corrupt product, until there was a huge outcry from the population, and they saw most people were moving away from cage eggs to organic and free range eggs. Then they stopped selling cage eggs entirely in their stores in response. If consumers don’t demand integrity… Read more »
Лев Гринберг
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I know that Jim is morally obligated to always be against microtransactions in a paid product, but this time I really don’t see a problem. You get your game. It’s worth every penny. You pay $60 and you get all the content that’s worth it. But also on tope of this you get another game – one that is designed as free-2-play and one that is not really forcing you to do anything with it. You can say it is forced upon you, yes, but let’s be real: none of those $60 you’ve payed for Mankind Divided were spent by… Read more »
Adam Doran
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Adam Doran

well to be fair it isn’t that hard to make money in gta online though do a few heists and you are set really

Anton
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Anton

Except it’s not “free”. It can only be obtained by paying $60.

Лев Гринберг
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Ugh… How is it “except” to anything I’ve said? It’s not a free self-contained game. It’s a free BONUS that comes with Mankind Divided.

Anton
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Anton

Because you keep saying “free”, and I don’t think you have an appreciation of what free means. If it’s bundled into a product, that means it’s part of a calculated cost model to take your money.

Meanwhile, you’re pretending Squeenix is your best bud forever.

Лев Гринберг
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What the… Are you an insane person arguing with the voices in his head? When did I say that Square Enix or any other publisher is my friend?

Also, when you buy a meal and get a free desert because of some special promotion – do you also start to criticize the restaurant for using the word free not as you think it should be used?

Anton
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Anton

If the free dessert kept pestering me to pay for extra sprinkles, yes, I would absolutely criticize them.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

It’s not a bonus. It’s a mode of the $60 game, which development time was spent on and we are paying for by purchasing the game. Extra multiplayer modes are not “free bonuses,” they are a part of the paid experience.

Лев Гринберг
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So you are seriously saying that Mankind Divided would not be worth $60 to you if it wasn’t for the mode that you didn’t even know about till a couple of month before it’s release?

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Right, it may be a “bonus” to the original content (though that’s arguable), but it’s still tied to that original content. It doesn’t exists in a vacuum without it. It’s part of that $60 package.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

Knowing that the game could have been released earlier, and/or with more single player content, and/or with more polish if it weren’t for the fee-to-pay multiplayer mode? Yes.

This is not a “bonus,” it’s tacked on multiplayer created to shove microtransactions into because they knew it’d raise less of stink than single player microtransactions (ex. see Dead Space 3).

Лев Гринберг
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And how do you know that? Do you have an inside information about how Mankind Divided was made? Are you sure that Inclusion of Breach was not part of a contract to get a bigger budget and more time to develop the main title?

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

I know that the multiplayer mode didn’t magically appear, and time spent on it could have been spent on other things. Maybe other games, or time off for the developers (because crunch is a thing and is awful) if not things for Mankind Divided.

Лев Гринберг
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Yes. And maybe it would’ve been spent on a Pachinko Deus Ex. Theories about how things happen or how they could’ve happened otherwise are just that. Theories. And baseless at that.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

No matter what you argue, nothing in a $60 game is a “bonus,” much less a “free” one (I mean, you paid $60 to be able to play it). Certainly nothing packed with cynical microtransactions. If they truly wanted it to be a bonus for the sake of the fanbase, they wouldn’t stuff it with microtransactions. It’s yet another business move to bleed extra cash from the most diehard fans. Stop doing Square Enix’s spin work for them.

SirRichard
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SirRichard

A mode in a game is not a “free bonus”, it’s part of the game and part of that game’s price tag by virtue of being content in the game. You can only play it by getting Mankind Divided, it’d only be free if they released it standalone for free.

Лев Гринберг
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Would you pay $60 for Mankind Divided without it? If your answer is yes then Breach costs $0 to you. It’s that simple.

SirRichard
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SirRichard

Breach does not exist outside of Mankind Divided. To play Breach, you need drop the money to get Mankind Divided, ergo Breach costs money to play. It’s that simple.

Лев Гринберг
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“It’s not a free self-contained game. It’s a free BONUS that comes with Mankind Divided” (c).

SirRichard
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SirRichard

You have to pay money to be able to play it, it’s not free. Arcade modes in fighting games are not free bonuses, neither is Zombies in Call of Duty. If it’s included in the base game, it is not a bonus.

Therefore, it’s not a free bonus.

Лев Гринберг
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Did you pay money to play it? Or did you play money to play Mankind Divided? If you’ve actually payed $60 for Breach – yes, it wasn’t free. If you’ve payed $60 for Mankind Divided and got your money’s worth from it than Breach to you is a free desert that comes with a purchase of a meal. that is what a free bonus is. Something you can’t get for free by itself but can get as a free addition to something else. If you still don’t understand me or just don’t see it that way – ok. Still, let’s… Read more »
SirRichard
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SirRichard

Except that’s not what it is, Breach is part of the base game. In your analogy, it would be part of the meal itself; you can only get it by paying for the meal, therefore it’s not free or a bonus. It really is that simple; if you have to pay money to be able to access it, it’s not free or a bonus.

diamond
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diamond

wow you’re fucking pathetic

Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

a free bonus would be more like the costume packs or beard DLC that came with the Witcher 3. Free DLC that could be downloaded but were not included as part of the base game or the original price.

A multiplayer mode that is included in the base game, is not a free bonus because you paid for it when you paid for the single player experience, as they came bundled together.

Лев Гринберг
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So what, it’s about what comes on a disk? That’s quite a weird distinction if you ask me. After all, free DLC’s for Witcher 3 were announced beforehand and thus you can argue that people were buying Witcher 3 and that DLC and thus it wasn’t free.

Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

It’s not about the disk, it is about what is included in the base game. Optional extras that can be downloaded at any stage later on are bonuses or extras that come with a certain version of the game like the soundtrack or a comic are bonuses.

Multiplayer is a feature of this game, so it’s not a bonus.

Лев Гринберг
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So your problem is that it’s forced upon you and you just have to install it with Mankind Divided? Well, that’s not a great solution from a publisher – I’ll give you that (I’ve also mentioned this in the very first post). Obviously Square Enix wants to forcefully maxmize the audience for Breach by doing that and potentially get more “whales” than it would otherwise. Shady practice? Yes, obviously. But I really thought that my point is ridiculously simple: if the base game worth the asked price then I (as in me, personally) don’t care about the way additional modes… Read more »
Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

that is not at all what I said. I was simply saying that a feature of the game that comes with game, it’s not a free bonus.

Multiplayer is not forced on me, I don’t have to play it, but it’s not a free bonus of the game, it is as much of a feature as the hacking in the single player game.

diamond
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diamond

Stop sucking Square Enix’s dick.

BAH!
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BAH!

My answer is “no”, but that’s what it usually is.

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

I am genuinely curious, why do you so ardently defend Breach’s micro transactions. No matter what, it’s part of the $60 price tag no matter how much you value the individual components. Breach cannot be played without that initial $60 investment.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

It’s not a bonus, because it wasn’t included for the consumer’s benefit. Instead it’s pretty much the same psychological cash grab trap for naives and whales that free-to-play games have become (with a Deux-ex theme).

john grinwis
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john grinwis

someone should augment the foot in publishers asses thinking they can get away with this backwards garbage i cant wait for the triple a bubble to burst so these greedy pricks can be taken down a peg

tho im glad they had the self control to only put it in the stupid side game at least

goodbyejojo
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goodbyejojo

Square gonna square, i swear to God, they are gonna pull this same sh!t in FFXV, just you wait.

Pvt Dirt
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Pvt Dirt

Let’s hope they don’t figure out what Namco has been doing to Tales since the last generation, with their $2.99 costumes and gold packs.

galactix100
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galactix100

There’ll definitely be things like alternate costume packs or some shit. It’s too good an opportunity for extra cash to not do it.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

But is that really a microtransaction? Someone else mentioned “Tales Of”, which is the model I imagine they would use. Distinct packs and individual sets. There is even precedent (all the DLC for both XIII-2 and Lightning were like this).

Something would have surfaced by now if it was included. I hate to admit that I’ve been following 15 closely, but Tabata and Ofuji are both on record saying they want this game to be better than The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4, two games which didn’t have bullshit business models and were relatively well-received.

galactix100
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galactix100

Whether or not such things are microtransactions are likely open to interpretation but I’d say yes. Also there’s a problem with that plan to be better than Witcher or Fallout, Square Enix didn’t get a say in what happened to them.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I hate that I love their games, because the errant shittiness underneath the surface always makes me wary.

Alex Wheatley
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Alex Wheatley

Don’t forget the FFVII re-release. No way they’re not milking that until its udders are dry and crumbled.

galactix100
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galactix100

I’ve noticed games in general seem to be more expensive on the xbox store. Fallout 4, Black Ops 3, Overwatch, The Division, GTA 5 and others all still cost £50 or more even though at launch the physical copies cost £40. I’m assuming it’s just Microsoft being greedy.

BAH!
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BAH!

I think that’s just the weird phenomenon of digital goods not dropping in price when their physical counterparts do. It happens a lot since there’s no outside influences like physical warehouse and shelf space to consider.

Adrian Cote
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Adrian Cote

That’s just MS doing their bullshit, or the publishers. Even CoD 4 on Steam is still $20, and NEVER drops below $10 on a sale. I’ve been watching this phenomenon for a while now.

BAH!
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BAH!

That’s kind of what I mean. There’s no pressing reason to drop the price, so why do it? And to think, people are actually excited at the idea of an all-digital future.

Adrian Cote
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Adrian Cote

It used to be nice. Digital content was cheaper because it didn’t require physical media. Now the greed has just ramped up.

Anton
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Anton

Eventually I think digital might become cheaper, IF supply-demand balance sensibility ever overtakes immediate greed.

galactix100
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galactix100

Its not greed. These companies need all the money possible because… I’ll have to get back to you on that but I’m sure there’s a perfectly justifiable reason for it.

Anton
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Anton

The stupid thing is, they would make more money in the long term if they used a gradual price drop model.

Talyn Wulf
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Talyn Wulf

Because they have let the cost of developing games rise to a really stupid level of paying for graphics that no one cares that much about, especially when the fidelity is amazing but the athestetic is crap.

BAH!
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BAH!

I’d like to think that, but the problem is that they already have the opportunity to increase digital sales by offering a small discount. It is literally within their power to increase their own sales and profits by taking a stance to increase sale volume at the cost of slightly reduced single-unit profit (which is probably currently more than what they make from physical copies). But they haven’t done that. They easily could, they just won’t.

Anton
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Anton

Some day, it might happen if they hire someone with financial responsibilities. Probably by accident.

BAH!
Guest
BAH!

“Whoops, hey! How’d this guy get in here? Can someone call security?”

BAH!
Guest
BAH!

I don’t remember those days? Granted, I wasn’t in a position to take advantage when they were really catching on; but my memory tells me that digital content was always comparably priced.

Talyn Wulf
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Talyn Wulf

I actually wonder if digital is that much cheaper because while you don’t need to worry about shelf space and compact disc manufacturing and burning, you do need to maintain large servers and a large bandwidth, and even some big stores have problems at holidays times with unintentional DDoS from just how many customers are trying to get on at once. The last few Steam Sales have been really laggy on the first day.

BAH!
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BAH!

Keep in mind that direct sales also lack the “middle man fee”. Meaning that publishers who sell directly (MS, Sony, EA, Valve etc.) are gaining an extra $20 or so per sale as compared to selling to a retailer.

Talyn Wulf
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Talyn Wulf

Ah, true. Wait, does Valve even still make games?

BAH!
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BAH!

Probably?

Talyn Wulf
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Talyn Wulf

I’m shocked, I thought they were a digital retailer now, not a publisher/developer.

BAH!
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BAH!

According to Wikipedia, they released a (VR) game just this year. And DOTA 2 was before that in 2013.

Talyn Wulf
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Talyn Wulf

I know it’s an old joke, but I do wonder if they even plan on making another Half Life in the near future….

galactix100
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galactix100

I always thought the point of digital copies was they’d be cheaper because they remove the costs of producing boxes and discs etc. It’s a lower price but there are fewer parties involved so you get a bigger share. Then again they know people will just accept this shit so why not?

BAH!
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BAH!

I remember an article by Ben Kuchera when he was with the Penny Arcade Report. He wrote an editorial about the rumors of a digital-only console, and how such a thing would be ultimately beneficial to the consumer *specifically* because it would eliminate the secondhand marked and thus drive down the price of games.

He was so naive back then. It was adorable.

Anton
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Anton

Ben seems normal, but he’s a cheerleader for the industry.

BAH!
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BAH!

And I can understand that to a point. For example, digital games definitely have certain advantages over physical copies- especially if you have good internet. So to extol those virtues is perfectly OK. And if we’re being honest, virtual reality is a super cool concept with a LOT of applications.

It’s just that he never seems to learn. He’s like a puppy where every new and interesting thing is the greatest thing he’s ever seen.

Anton
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Anton

Like you said, understandable to a point. Past that point, he’s feeding into the “the next thing will be the best thing ever” hype culture, which is something we need less of right now.

BAH!
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BAH!

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING LIAR! WHO ARE YOUR SOURCES YOU HACK?!

Warmadillo Inc.
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Warmadillo Inc.

The way I always understood the digital pricing thing was a result of the brick and mortar retailers strong arming the publishers to make a digital copy cost just as much as the physical version or they would refuse to stock it. If memory serves, I believe it was TB that discussed that.

diamond
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diamond

I remember GTA V first came out, the digital version was 10 dollars more for no good reason.

Anton
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Anton

Steam is the same. Normal prices for AAA games almost never drop (until, of course, the sales come along).

Beans199883
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Beans199883

The Xbox Sales are fucking garbage.

diamond
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diamond

That’s why I always buy physical on consoles, I see zero advantage to getting digital games on consoles over physical ones.

galactix100
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galactix100

I sometimes get the digital ones because they sometimes offer a copy of a backwards compatible game with it. I got Dark Souls with Dark Souls 3.

diamond
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diamond

physical copies on Xbox One also do that, for example I got Fallout 3 with my purchase of the physical version of Fallout 4.

Mah Boiiii
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Mah Boiiii

It’s always frustrating to see these pop up in games. Doubly so when in excellent games like this one.

Anon the mouse
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Anon the mouse

GOTY contender looks narrower every year, is it No Man’s Sky and ABZU this year?

kripto sporidium
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kripto sporidium

Lotta good stuff came out this year, just that it’s sometimes hard to remember things that came out in January count as ” this year “.

Xcom 2, the Witness, Hyper Light Drifter, Dark Souls 3, SUPERHOT, Starbound, Stardew Valley…

Individual taste might not count all of these as great releases, but I think with these alone it’s been a solid year. Plus there’s a ton of stuff I’m forgetting.

Edit : Plus, I know for a fact there’s some cool-ass stuff yet to come, we’ve still got 4 more months of the lord’s year 2016 to go.

Maelstrom
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Don’t forget Monster Hunter Generations, or Zero Time Dilemma, or, of course, DOOM.

kripto sporidium
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kripto sporidium

Jeez, I can forgive myself for the other two, but how did I even manage to forget DOOM?

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Don’t beat yourself over it. When you say “Doom”, you don’t necessarily think 2016.

BAH!
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BAH!

Oh, and Star Fox Zero! I have absolutely no doubt Jim will give it careful consideration.

diamond
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diamond

Witness sucked major ass IMO

Anton
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Anton

I don’t think Jim would nominate NMS for goty.

chriskobos
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chriskobos

An amazing 1984 reference, right there.

FieldMedic
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FieldMedic

“We’ve always been at war with Eurasia, after all.” – Bravo Jim, this is a great reference 🙂

Mark Patten
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Mark Patten

I get the very harrowing feeling that Jim’s game of the year contenders will be regulated to all of maybe 3 games released this year with just how ubiquitous these “macrotransactions” are getting.

Dream gazer
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Dream gazer

Might be time for the “top 10 most egregious microtransactions” instead.

john forrest
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john forrest

Sorry if I am being pedantic, but ‘Macrotransactions’ is what publishers are using to refer to DLC to try and lump them in with Microtransactions. Jim has no qualm with DLC being for $60 games in principle, only if they are done shittily. It is Microtransactions he takes issue with.

Mark Patten
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Mark Patten

When they offer up a “micro”-transaction at a rate higher then one can buy the dang game. Then I’d say it has most certainly gone Macro.

GenGaoGaiGar
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GenGaoGaiGar

I agree the price is ridiculous I’m just a very boring fussy person who gets weirdly particular about how something is referred to. Sorry about that.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

At this point, No Man’s Sky will end up in the list for lack of competition…

irfanf (IrfanF)
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irfanf (IrfanF)

Moon Moon

PowerSerg
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Any hope of this game eventually hitting my home is pretty much removed without some massive sale.

Dariush
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Dariush

i commit myself to wait for reviews, then inevitably i postpone the buy, being an insanable stingy man. Then, years after, i find out i did right. DE:MD will be a good game 1 year from now, better wait anyway…i guess we all have our backlog full anyway..no?

Dariush
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Dariush

People don’t have to work hard for money in many cases, that’s why is so easy for some people to spend money this easily on such futile things as microtransactions. Lucky them.

DeviDranity
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DeviDranity

“Something something I didn’t ask for this something something memes.”

Quality writing as usual

Trimeter
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Trimeter

Eh, its a poor shitpost u got there.

Thom
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Thom

Needs more augmentation.

RaikuNH
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RaikuNH

A big shiny augmented penis.

Thom
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Thom

That can break down walls and lead to new areas.

Chris N
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Chris N

But does it breathe through its foreskin?

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