Metabombed: Mafia III Is ‘A White Guilt Fueled Mess Of A Port’

Mafia III did not receive the critical reception Hangar 13 had perhaps hoped for. My own review is pretty reflective of the average score it’s gotten from professional critics, with the repetitive gameplay, cookie-cutter open world structure, and squandering of style being chief complaints.

Of course, the pros have nothing on the general public when it comes to expressing distaste for something, and Mafia III is the latest high profile game to get METABOMBED by disgruntled players on Metacritic’s user review system.

Much of the assault has come from PC users disappointed by the game’s demonstrably lacking port. Even after it was patched to include framerate options, Mafia III is failing to be everything it could be in the eyes of customers.

Let’s check out what they’ve been saying. It’s “content” I suppose, innit?

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As previously stated, the PC version is getting the brunt of the criticism, with a 3.1 score average, 121 positive reviews, and 442 negative ones. They’re still at it this long after launch, too, writing reviews daily. It fares slightly better on Xbox One, with 18 positive and negative reviews, alongside an average score of 4.5.

The PS4 version has a positively glowing recommendation in comparison – an average of 5.0, with 110 positive reviews to 121 negative. If you’re wondering why the average score isn’t entirely reflective of the reviews, that’s because you can leave a rating without writing a review, as most have opted to.

Those that went further and had to rub some textual salt in the numerical wound? Well, as usual, we’ve collected the best of them!

I organized them by date to exclude those complaining about the now-fixed 30fps lock. In doing so, I immediately found the first negative review complaining about Mafia III‘s racial aspect. Oh dear. Here’s arislaf attempting to make some kind of point.

The game is racist. Totally racist. The main hero is a black man that can’t kill black men. Now imagine the other way around, and what would happen to the world… (0/10)

Now let’s hear what pearls of wisdom gameren82 has for us.

How many times do I have to do the same thing? This is crazy! Every single quest should be unique and different. The quests are repetetive. And the game is not about Mafia; this is about a black serial killer who wants to make a revenge. (3/10)

Trytobefair tried to be fair, we can’t fault them for that!

This game is a complete desaster in everything.

– Overall graphic even in highest settings still looks blurred.
– Game physics feels like first console games out of the nineties.
– Nobody can identify with such dumb looking character.
– A bad and poor imitation of the Assassins Creed series

My final quote:

2 Points for this Game.

1 for the music and 1 point for the deinstallation routine.

Both worked perfect for me.

Thanks to the devs and publishers for being completely foolish. (2/10)

I love the reviews that use unintelligible sentences to express their frustration, as you don’t know if it’s deliberate or not. Saahil provides one such classic conundrum.

The Graphic is not consistent Aaaghhhh **** game.The Gameplay is not good too. And God…… The Skybox Seriously.Even Indie Games have good skyboxes.The Missions are repetitive. The only good thing that i have experienced is driving its better than Mafia 2 which was a marvelous game.I played half way through Mafia 3 and have uninstalled. (2/10)

Methinks linoano’s review was transcribed from one of those mysterious radio stations that put out coded messages.

First of all, I should can give -1 to this game score.

Terrible PC optimization, boring, many bugs, no Denuvo, no SLI/Crossfire support, no 21:9 support, 30fps when released, very blurry (with Motion Blur off), **** graphics (worst than xbox360), crashes, terrible car phisics, primitive plot, stuttering, FPS instability, many glichets, skybox it’s a joke, no AMD Phenom support, game freezes, no traffic laws, no fullscreen borderless and more…

This… This is MAFIA III. (0/10)

Reading PapaEmeritus’ scathing appraisal of Hangar 13 made me wince and do that “sucking air through your lips” noise one makes when something harsh just happened.

It’s bad pretty much all across the board (other than the music). Hopefully though, other developers will play it and learn what NOT to do when developing their own games. There is a lot here to learn what not to do. Hangar13? Give it up. Developing games isn’t for you. You all should go and find another career. You suck. (2/10)

BoTToX_CH makes me hope that a game is rereleased as a Full Bugged Edition at some point in the future.

The most UGGLY 2016 game !!!
Full bugged, absolutly crappy render, a crazy clipping, hyper blurry textures….etc
This game is like an old bad playstation2 game !
It’s a shame, the first and second mafia was great, 2K killed the licence !!! (1/10)

You best hold onto your sides when Kinedrill is around. This review is THE cut-up of the collection.

This game is hot aspirant to GOTY – Garbage of the Year. Alongside with win10 version of Forza Horizon 3 and ofc NMS.

PROS: Semi-good atmosphere + characters (characters?)
CONS: Well, everything else. (1/10)

Gotta agree with CristobaL – Mafia III does NOT fun!

This is not a game actually. It is 5 missions and 100+ checkpoints in the middle. Routine and bugs from the start to the end. Do not fun at all. Let’s play something else (0/10)

It’s time for PetuchelloAnjel to say something.

This game looks like sh!t played like sh!t 13 people trapped in the hangar, very lazy, 1/10 for the music!

Never do the games!leave it to the professionals (1/10)

The art of the comedically hyperbolic review is a tricky one to master. In unrelated news, let’s read what marcoklein wrote.

OMG this is terrible its not MAFIA it should be called Haitians war 3 ! Have I Played a worse game? No I can’t say that I have. This was pathetic. If the producers are still alive: 1. They shouldn’t be. 2. They should be ashamed.

To give you guys a few pointers of the “game”:

1-I don’t know who was in charge of “special effects“, but I could have done better in my backyard with my VHS camcorder that doesn’t have a battery.

2-I was a devout Catholic before this “game”. But since playing it, I know there is not a God, because if there was, he wouldn’t have let this game be produced. I am now an atheist.

Folks however bored you get, however curious(or brave) you are, however many laughs you THINK you will get out of this game, please DO NOT BUY THIS. It has literally ruined my life. AVOID AT ALL COSTS!

Comment to the producer: I hate you. You have ruined my life. After playing this I feel empty inside. My wife and kids have left me and hate me because I couldn’t speak or hardly move after playing this. I lost my job, my dignity, and above all my pride. I will never forgive you in this life or the next(which is not looking good from my new found beliefs). (0/10)

TuringDev comes close to the classic “slap in the face” phrase, but not close enough. Someone better bust it out.

An affront for PC gamers
Very poor performance, very low quality textures, blurred, after two hours of gaming, becomes very boring and repetitive. A great bull **** !

Don’t waste your money (1/10)

Oh dear, MaximusDecimus3… oh bloody dear.

A politically-correct, white-guilt fueled mess of a console port. Gameplay is boring and generic, city has nothing to offer outside of the main story missions and is a modern day revisionist-historical rendition of New Orleans, not accurate in any way whatsoever with the time and location. Don’t waste your time or money with this garbage. Wait for a sale under 10 dollars. Also terrible performance on top of the line rigs, even though the game doesn’t look spectacular or outstanding in any way. Riddles with bugs, muddy textures, texture pop-in, and awkward controls top off this cherry sundae of ****

One positive thing is that the music is great, but that’s a product of the times and not these incompetent white-guilt riddled cuckold developers. (3/10)

Then there’s OnlyOneWing.

The game play is mediocre, not even close to GTA V. The plot is not really interesting, everything is so politically correct it is fake. All the white people are evil racists and all the black people only want equality for “everyone”, none are angry and out for revenge. Even the conversations that bystanders have are all politically charged rhetoric. It’s not even genuine, it all sounds to polished like a speech writer wrote it. The voice acting is not great. The main character has no problem murdering people, yet he is righteous enough to risk his life attacking brothels. The game also plays into the nonsense that all sex workers are inherently slaves. On top of all that, the graphics feel like they could be on last gen consoles. No better than LA Noir. (1/10)

I wonder if SerchTESCHA used Google Translate for this. Surely not!

Well you buy it and I think the game has technical sections in deplorable PC, here I stress upon “defend the defensible” some people do for the game, I personally do not make me angry 30 fps although I enjoy playing at 60 fps and more if allowed by the hardware, but I’ve found with a myriad of mistakes in the game that make me think that they brought him hastily, for example (even with Update1) presents failures configurción keyboard, translations erroneous text, graphic part well below other current games such as the new Deus Ex (just glorious and superb) and above all a deplorable sadly artificial intelligence in many parts of the game. When you come to play gems like Deus Ex and then play a game with the quality of Mafia 3, the truth in my case I was very disappointed, I say this sincerely, and I am not a troll who goes around hitting the game, I say to support the developer by buying the game, which plot level is supreme, that if the height almost, of great historical novels, but technically there if I’m not playing, I enjoy it as much as I can, but I think could do much better at the technical level (that you see is that the developer is not the same as the previous Mafia, 2k Czech and now Hangar13), a Mafia 2 visual level is stunningly beautiful, even today despite being a game with several years development and output currently looks beautiful, colorful, bright with a recreation of great historical scenarios that give you the feeling of living the nostalgia of those years, this Mafia 3 will feel stiff, dark, opaque, only by history is saving and therefore I’m playing, to be honest this Mafia is not the best, and ended with a detail that caught my attention when I was playing I enter my cousin and saw the game and wonder what it was, I answer is the new Mafia 3 !!!, excited, and he answers me hear it looks like xbox 360 and more direct without first impression, not excited or anything, of course if you dare to play it but hey, graphic level the impression that he had, and never forget. (1/10)

Also wondering if BombSench is related.

Mafia 3 is a return to the first part of the Mafia, and even worse. There is no such feature in action playing as: fuel the car, do not remain objects on the ground sleeve of bullets, pieces of glass, even the smoke from under the wheels of cars modest. Mafia 2 was much more serious and plausible Igor and Mafia 3 is a misery. Pazor developers !!! (0/10)

Are you a Leisure Brutal Boy? Be more like JensK, and be leisurely in your brutality… or something.

Ideal for Leisure-Brutal-boys who have work and family! 3x the week 1 hour playing and you get 2 months of fun! For all other – specially unemployed Power Gamer – too boring. (7/10)

We haven’t had “slap in the face” yet, but LordNord went ahead and gave us the other phrase angry gamers love to use – Mafia III is “a joke.”

Worst thing in the franchise. This game is a joke only. Quests is boring as hell, all same.: Go iinterrogate a man after go destroy after go kill the boss….only this quest type in the game very very boring! And of course lot of bugs, high end pc cant running this sh!t, fps drops like hell. (3/10)

Fuuuck, this one is tasty. Premium “PC Gamer” elitism of a most delectable sort. Take it away, clarky!

Dear Publisher/Developer. PC gamer’s are like wine connoisseurs of gaming. The fact they have PC, instantly puts them into the Gamer category. Every other platform will always settle for less. For that reason, either, support the PC release with another year’s worth of development before release. Or don’t do it. You are trying to sell cheap wine in an expensive bottle to people who will never accept it. I find it pretty offensve (1/10)

I have no idea why Battletoad’s… writing… was marked with a spoiler tag, but… uh… spoiler warning ahead?

+1 NOT A MAFIA GAME .The gaming industry seems to be lost all the talents and ideas. Fallout 4, Mafia 3. Hard to believe that these games do the people who made them. Pathetic (0/10)

Finally, we have Drive637. Try and guess why this one’s included.

I’m so disappointed in this game. It could have been great but Hangar 13 totally screwed the player. I’m truly starting to get tired of these **** console ports (in this case it’s a disaster as well) that require an insane rig whereas the performances are pitiable. The quality is just absent. 1440p looks like a goddamn 720p upscale. The scenario is breathtaking this said, although when the jaw-dropping cutscenes come to their end and force you to go back to the playground, you take a massive slap right into the face that serves as a constant reminder of the fact that without its blissful and climactic progressive scenario, that game would be a derelict. Not even gameplay lifts the whole thing up since it is inaccurate and formulaic. I just hate to think that Mafia III got destroyed by the lack of time (I can’t think of anything else explaining this). It’s such a shame to see this license being dragged to the bottom of the chasm. (3/10)

Dallium
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Dallium

“I am now an atheist.” Oh God my sides.

Booksds
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Booksds

Um… isn’t the “politically correct” label usually applied to the media that avoids any discussion of race, not includes it? People seem to have gotten it backwards.

Lucid Loon
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Lucid Loon

I guess because it shows racism in a negative light?

Thomas Pierson
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Thomas Pierson

The issue I have here is that it really doesn’t address racism in any meaningful manner. Having a black protagonist and a white racist antagonist isn’t *addressing* racism, it’s just *showing* racism, and that’s just bad blacksploitation; a cinematic genre which deals with racism the same way Die Hard deals with interpersonal relationships.

KingKaijuice
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Honestly the term politically correct has become such an poor descriptive word now a days.

I have a problem with fighting with strangers on facebook, so I see it tossed around alot. But the same people say talking about race is PC, asking to be respectful to people is PC, being uncomfortable is PC, being comfortable is PC, questioning an poor justification for discrimination is PC. Defending yourself is PC. Not defending yourself is PC. It’s lost all meaning by this point.

I see it more from right-wingers above 40, but I’ve also seen left-wingers and “old soul” millennials as well.

Craig Rigby
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Craig Rigby

i am no fan of sjws but is a game really ‘progressive’ (because thats for certain what that last guy means) just for being from a black guys perspective? a lot of these metabombs call out games for that, i guess its just on a lot of peoples minds right now. weve been complaining for years about how western AAA games are all starring identikit nolan norths thanks to publishers telling devs what they can do, and as soon as they break that bubble and make more interesting characters its a bad thing!

Richard Cadman
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Richard Cadman

Terms like progressive and diversity have been made into dirty words and it’s fucking rediculous cos you can boil down those words to just one: variety. And no fucker is against variety!

Say there’s too many military shooters and you’all get a lot of agreement, state that maybe there’s too many white guy protagonists and some people get mad. Crazy.

Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

i have no problems on diversity, my issue comes from the desire to change establish characters to something else in order to fulfill an agenda. make your black character, just don’t change Nathan Drake into a trans black non binary person.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

Wait, they did that. Holy shit I just had a nap but did I wake up in bizzaro world?

Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

no they didn’t do that, but it has happened to in TV, Film, and Comics.

Lucid Loon
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Lucid Loon

Yeah, not really though.

Michael Prymula
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fucking moron

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
I’d call Keichi a Pop Culture Conservative, myself. The stuff he likes is sacrosanct, and altering the stuff he likes is a grievous lack of respect to the source material. Because reasons, and potentially also because of a vague feeling of rejection. Which I can almost understand, honestly. I’m a fan of Walter Melon, an obscure Franco-Belgian comic about an erudite Parisian bourgeois type who constantly pays the price for his own condescension and contempt of others. Saban Entertainment grabbed the rights after the death of the series’ sole artist and writer, and decided Walter would turn into a kind… Read more »
Wolfie
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Wolfie

Proof or it didn’t happen.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Okay, so which TV series, comic series or movie has been supposedly tainted by the damnable spoor of Leftist policies? Are there more than one? Can you cite names?

I’ve got all night. *insert foot-tapping noises*

Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

Dr. Who (and pretty much all of BBC) Thor (the comics), Ice Man (X-men comics), and a few other comic book heroes.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
…says the man who purportedly only reads Manga. I could sit here and argue about each example, stating that Doctor Who is motivated by viewership concerns and that remaining culturally relevant is a concern of any paid-for entertainment venture. I could argue that these new narrative avenues are opening ways in which to deepen the Who-verse’s already immense stable of characters. I could state that Bobby Drake being gay will probably be undone the moment Joe Quesada decides to pull another Infinite Crisis and that as things are, his personality and objectives are not significantly altered. I could state that… Read more »
Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

i WANT things to change, but not at the expense of existing properties. i WANT variety in protagonists, i enjoy good stories.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
Then you’re in for a rude awakening. Culture develops and thrives by remixing itself and revisiting itself. New protagonists never pop out from the blue, they’re always the result of someone else latching on some pre-existing concept and going “Hey, this is neat! I wonder what would happen if I took a swing at it!” That nebulous thing called “Intertext” I mentioned? It defines how all of Literature is stuck in a giant web, constantly cross-referencing itself in the constant and unending desire to create, to chart new expanses. That purported New Story you want, that New Character you’re craving,… Read more »
Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

i never said that they should never take ideas from other characters, i am saying that they shouldn’t change EXISTING characters. don’t change James Bond, but a character inspired by James Bond set in the same universe isn’t an unreasonable request.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
Like I said, rude awakening. Characters change and shift. D’Artagnan didn’t exist until the Three Musketeers became popular enough to warrant the creation of a fourth. Twenty years ago, Nelvana produced “Albert, the Fifth Musketeer”. Someone else could decide that Alexandre Dumas’ tale of political intrigue could benefit from the Musketeers being androids in a post-apocalyptic Earth, for all I know, and that this means Athos, Porthos and Aramis need to have entirely different personalities. You will never – NEVER – be able to stop aspiring creators from taking what already exists and shifting it around to suit their curiosity… Read more »
BomberJacket
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BomberJacket

I’m calling bullshit on this Book of Genesis nonsense. Those chapters devoted to the big boat were ripped totally out of The Epic of Gilgamesh! Someone should sue.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Can Hesiod join in on the class-action? Epimetheus and Pandora are claiming plagiarism.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
Then try it, if you’re so curious. Consider it a thought experiment. Jot down character traits and characteristics. Make the conscious effort to divorce yourself from all sources you could think of. Try and find that precious core of originality you’re looking for. Tap into it, and produce Something New. Then, take that piece of paper and show it to someone who’s watched TV to some degree, read a few books or played a few games. You’ll be surprised by the result. Chances are your supposedly entirely original concept is highly derivative. If anything, that reminds me of a few… Read more »
Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato
you are completely misunderstanding what i am trying to say. ok, i don’t mean 100% complete originality, what i mean is that we should make “original” characters, as in a NEW character instead of taking an already established character and changing it. for example, i am advocating for stuff more like Creed, Creed is basically a remake of Rocky, but he isn’t Rocky, he is Creed. an example of the opposite that really burns me is Roland in the Dark Tower series adaptation, he is being played by Idris Elba, a black guy playing a white character, who actually HAS… Read more »
BomberJacket
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BomberJacket
Funny, I’ve got the completely opposite take on the Dark Tower books – I hope they go hog-wild with the changes. The Dark Tower series has some severe issues that really hinder the translation between book and screen. Mostly, those have to do with the schizophrenic nature of the tone and plot – understandable as the books were written years apart – but also with race. Specifically, I’m talking about the character you’re referencing, Detta Walker, the an evil split personality of a black character whose speech is written dialectically to sound like a 1950s racist caricature of a black… Read more »
Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

i was always under the impression that James Bind was a cover as well, that was until Skyfall and Specter ruined that. so if they are going to continue that continuity, they should do a spin off for any character that isn’t white, and honestly, i would love to see more spies than just James Bond.

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

OK just going to derail for a second to point out that I keep reading your name as “Kenshi Monsanto” and it was really wigging me out

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
*sighs* Creed isn’t Rocky, that’s a given. However, it’s not as salient an example of your own misunderstanding as your quoting Idris Elba as playing Roland Deschain in The Dark Tower. Creed exists because a convenient scenario was penned and because Michael B. Jordan was available. Idris Elba is Deschain because someone in a casting agency somewhere remembered that the guy is actually talented when it comes to tackling roles like Deschain. Not only that, but he’s a known quantity – a ticket-seller. As I’ve said yesterday, if your chief concern about Pop Culture is that White characters remain White… Read more »
KingKaijuice
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But that’s not how popular media works. By making Daniel Craig into James Bond. It’s the exact same thing as replacing him with a black man. By your standards, Sean Connery(or whoever was before him) is the only canon James Bond. His appearance has changed completely changed. He’s still a white guy, but he’s not a carbon copy white guy. And nothing about James Bond’s character or majority of all fictional characters have any traits or backgrounds that are exclusively white. Any race(or gender) could have his personality. Any race or gender could be a spy. There is a complete… Read more »
Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
That’s the rub of it: if your chief concern about a character is that he or she is made to stick to a specific appearance or gender, then you’re not likely to have a genuine interest in said character. Consider the Potterverse’s Hermione Granger. By the books’ canon, Hermione is a Caucasian redhead. However, J.K. Rowling wrote a screenplay – Harry Potter and the Cursed Child – that allowed for Granger to be played by a Black actress. Guess what? Rowling signed off on that alteration. She *approved* it. She even approved of earlier fan speculation stating that Dumbledore might… Read more »
qorl123
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” It is hilarious to me that you mentioned canon in the context of James Bond. Bond, a character who changes his appearance and age every couple movies, as well his attitude. Almost nothing about Bond is set in stone. His appearances and exploits contradict each other. In fact, it literally cannot be the same person, unless every few movies the world gets reset, but at that point, you might as well have him played by a black guy, as long as the character remains british. I kind of get your dislike of changing established characters – I hate the… Read more »
JupiterDoomsday
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And you do get those varieties when different writers and creators take a stab at an entirely different interpretation of said character or series. Hence why different origin stories, genre shifts in narratives and the most obvious and heatly debated: character redesigns come to be and make the work its own separate and unique piece of media. Some writers and creators just want to take a stab at a new angle and change the image of a character because maybe they’re having fun with their job and feel like they’re onto something unique to them. It may not have all… Read more »
M.
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M.

Wait, exactly which Doctor *isn’t* a cishet white man?

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
I’m guessing Keichi takes issue with the way some Companions have been a little more progressive, of late. The Doc is still cishet as cishet could be, but pressure’s mounting for that to be at least somewhat softened. A lot of respectable Doctor Who fans would love to see the character regenerate as a woman, but there’s internal pressure coming from the showrunners and the BBC to keep adhering to what is perceived as a set of “canonical elements” in the series’ lore. Because for bullshit reasons, the Doctor couldn’t possibly regenerate as a female, even if he himself states… Read more »
Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

The Doctor still takes the appearance of a white cis man in every regeneration (not even bloody ginger, come on Moffat). Anything you say about superheroes is null and void, since A) you’ve admitted to not reading western comics extensively, or else you’d know that B) almost every capes character has gone through multiple incarnations, both with reboots and in-canon passing down of their abilities.

Michael Prymula
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sexist, homophobic piece of shit.

Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

why thank you for your compliment, i always wanted to be compared to Donald Trump, my dream has come true.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
Oh, I’m sure Keichi is a nice and inclusive person in real life. There’s a lot of people, however, whose hackles get raised if you so much as touch at their precious funsies. Assuming Naughty Dog expands the Uncharted-verse to include the adventures of Nate and Elena’s daughter, there’s going to be some morons who will rail in on NeoGAF or wherever else because “DON’T TOUCH MUH NATE, I NEEDS MAI NOLAN NORTH VOICE VECTOR! LEETLE GURL NO NATE!” Feel free to stick whatever caveman-worthy accent you want on the above, preferably with a few simian grunts and the sound… Read more »
Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

I’m sorry, but I’m confused. I think my Pop Culture lenses are pretty clear, and I haven’t gotten the sense that alternate sexualities or sociopolitical ideologies are being relentlessly shoved down my gullet. I’m in my thirties, so I’ve had time enough to take the pulse of the medium and of other tangential forms of entertainment.

Considering – are you serious? Are you convinced games and other bits of the entertainment business are being tweaked to push social paradigms in your face?

Because if you are…

Chances are you’re thin-skinned, honestly.

Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

it hasn’t become too widespread, but it has happened, and the writing is on the wall. just take a look at what BBC is doing.

Michael Prymula
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dumbass

Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

why all the vitriol?

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

You okay Michael? Please don’t turn into Diamond…

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
Well, can I suggest you move to Dubai? All the comforts of Western living, plus a regressive regime hell-bent on making sure you’ll never have to run into your dreaded genderfluid non-white queer protagonists. Because God knows playing a game that’s not helmed by a Grizzled White Man with some variable talent for wit and repartee or a monosyllabic lust for graphic violence is going to make you catch the Gay. I hear the Gay is non-treatable. You’d better toss yourself off the nearest skyscraper, if that happens – which makes the choice of Dubai as a new residence all… Read more »
Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

i don’t have a problem with genderfluid non-white queer protagonists, my problem is changing existing characters into genderfluid non-white queer protagonists. to me changing existing characters into a minority is the hight of tokenism, and i hate tokenism. i want good interesting well written characters, not virtue signaling.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
Have you read issues of the new Thor series? Did you check out Ironheart’s debut issue? Did you follow Wonder Woman’s character development through a meticulous examination of her creator’s sociopolitical beliefs all the way to modern interpretations of Diana’s character? I’m guessing you haven’t. Marvel isn’t dealing into tokenism, not with the care they’re putting in the new stock of series, and not with the screenwriting talent they’ve brought in. Tokenism means changing something for the heck of it. Changing a character to reach a broader audience, however, isn’t random. Or are you one of those who would rather… Read more »
Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

i don’t read comic books, they don’t ever stick to any one story to the end and end up with a lot of really convoluted stories. i only read manga for a reason.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
Aaaah. I see. I suppose you also ignore the enthusiasm with which the Manga publishing scene embraces those very same things you’re decrying as tokenism. Shojo, Seinen, Shonen, all the sexual spectrums you could think of, May-December relationships, rape stories, psychological horror, outright Gorn or Eroge… But you’re totally, one hundred percent right. Manga are pure and unadulterated, characters in Manga are socially and sexually set in stone, and your waifus and husbandos are in no immediate danger of being reinterpreted or reused by anyone else. Because intertext obviously doesn’t occur in the Manga genre. Excuse me, I feel another… Read more »
Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato
all those things are fine by me though, the author is free to do what they wish to their character, and they don’t have to deal with executives telling them what to do, mostly. as for fan stuff, fan stuff is fan stuff i don’t ever read nor do i care for any fan create material of anything. as i have said, i don’t care about genderfluid non-white queer protagonists, i WANT them, but don’t change existing characters like a lot of people keep advocating for. hell i have a really cool idea for a 00 spin off film, because… Read more »
Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

James Bond is James Bond. Daniel Craig has no ownership over the character.

Next you’re going to tell me that Craig’s Estuary Bond is more canonical than Sean Connery’s Scots Bond because of nebulous reasons that are totes not related to personal preferences, honest!

If you take Dan Craig’s Bond in a piece of fan-made material and make him Black through some Eldritch process involving Kraft Dinner noodles and the Necronomicon – you’ve just written a loopy bit of fanfic.

That’s all.

You haven’t obliterated Craig’s Bond, because Craig’s Bond is, by nature of his existence as a fictitious character, open to interpretation.

Keichi Morisato
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Keichi Morisato

no… but to change the actor to a black man and the character is supposed to be the exact same person from Daniel Craig’s run is just dumb, especially since they could EASILY make a spin off film that goes in a completely different direction and allows them to do different things with the character. Craig’s bond reboot the 007 universe completely, Sean Connery’s bond is not canon with the current series of films. i will state this again, a spin off with a new character in the same universe is something i would be very interested in.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
You’re going in circles. “To change the actor to a black man and the character is supposed to be the exact same person from Daniel Craig’s run is just dumb.” That’s not a fact, it’s a personal preference. There’s a difference. “They could EASILY make a spin off film that goes in a completely different direction and allows them to do different things with the character.” But what if that nebulous “They” desperately wants to tweak Craig Bond’s timeline? Guess what: you’ll never be able to stop anyone from doing that, if they so choose. It’s not dumb, it’s preferential.… Read more »
Craig Rigby
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Craig Rigby

with western comics i prefer miniseries and there are only 2 characters i really care about anyway. used to read more manga but i get bogged down with too much stuff.

Craig Rigby
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Craig Rigby

obviously you havent read the fury max comics hes way more badass than jackson…also im pretty sure there are still 2 versions, the ultimate version didnt erase the original comics continuity.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Badassery is in the eye of the beholder, dear friend. I’ve read a few of the Fury-themed Max comics, but didn’t really grok them.

qorl123
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qorl123

“don’t change Nathan Drake into a trans black non binary person” Because that’s a common problem, right? That has really happened a lot ,right, where they change an established character’s gender, sexuality and race? Oh wait, no it freaking hasn’t. Making more varied protagonists is not an agenda, last time I checked.

Richard Cadman
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Richard Cadman

I can’t think of an example of where that’s happened.

TheSnark
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TheSnark

LOL congratulations, and welcome to the world of creative media, some people just wanna validate their entire ethos uncritically with Mary Sues, some people wanna make genre defining classics that push technical and creative limits.

Was AAA going to do this?
Does Hollywood mainstream do this?

Michael Prymula
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SJW is a stupid fucking term that no one should ever use unironically.

Craig Rigby
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Craig Rigby

its a catch all term like left, right, alt right, feminist…and you can usually tell what someone who is one believes.

Clark Kent
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Clark Kent
Except not. I have been called an SJW for : -Defending people from harassment on the Internet. -Criticizing racist arguments. -Stating that I like Life is Strange, Undertale and the Beginner’s Guide. -Mentioning that I liked theatre. -Quoting a news article (yes, seriously) -Refusing to eat vegan. (these are only getting dumber) -Arguing that Hitler wasn’t a good role model. (my favourite one) So, basically, I can conclude that an SJW is someone who opposes harassment or racism or likes game you dislike or likes other activities you dislike or quote sources you dislike or doesn’t comply to the lifestyle… Read more »
Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

SJW means “anyone to my left, no matter where I personally am.”

Amur El Bey
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Amur El Bey

I have also been called an SJW because I disagreed with a guy who said (and I kid you not) “Black people like Dragonball Z, so that means they support GamerGate and are anti-feminists”.

Apparently his argument was that Dragonball Z is hyper masculine so that means that feminists hate it. Which means that Black people must hate feminists.

Apparently me thinking that’s a bad argument means that I’m a social justice warrior.

Otherhand
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Otherhand
Mafia III’s problems are that it’s repetitive and often humdrum, and the AI is substandard. Like Mafia II. But there are so many false things said about it, like that “he’s a black man who can’t kill black people” (the first gang you dismantle is black) above. The amusingly named PC Gamer has an serioiusly racist audience, who insist it’s a “kill whitey simulator”, among other things. You’d think this might give them some perspective about the treatment of races as enemies in their favourite games, but I doubt it. Even professed liberals say the racism is too relentless and… Read more »
Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

We’ve actually had the inaccurate “The game doesn’t allow you to shoot X so this game is X” argument before. I remember one person calling Bioshock Infinite Sexist because it excluded women from the fighting and there were no female soldiers to fight. …Despite the fact that there totally were. To be fair that one is a bit more understandable because they’re easy to miss. But maybe make absolutely sure you’re right before running your mouth and looking stupid.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

Reading the Metabombed articles tends to break the language centres of my brain.

Mitchell Osborn
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Mitchell Osborn

Do Not Fun….ahh my eyes.

Sapphire Crook
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Sapphire Crook

Oh, I know! The last one’s there because it does the thing you talked about, Jim, and it does it with a little spice too!

YoDude
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YoDude

I love how everyone seemed to like the music.

More proof that extremely vocal very angry people with sometimes racist leanings all listen to classic rock.

Presumably because anything else is too different from what MA and PA listened to back in the good ol’ days.

Was a good soundtrack though.

Benj
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Benj

It’s interesting to note the reaction to the gameplay in this game compared to the response to “Mad Max”.

You’d be hard pressed to say which one had the most repetitive gameplay but this one committed the crime of not being equally generic in it’s story and trying to be POLITICAL! *dum* *dum* *duuuuuuuummmmm*

[plus being badly optimised which is a capital crime for PC gamers]

George
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George
Well…there is some weird merit in that. What I mean is that a game with a weak,or ridiculous or non-existent narrative but interesting game play can still be well received. Ex) Bayonetta 2, Mario Games, Tetris, Most of those music games, Shower With Your Dad Simulator ect. BUT A game with provocative ideas (not necessarily good) and/or narrative but boring or broken gameplay will almost never be well received. Ex That Dragon Cancer, No Man’s Sky So… To some, it is possible that a provocative narrative can now become a weakness in a game that is boring. The narrative could… Read more »
RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

“The narrative could come off as pretentious or unnecessary.”

Or that it wasted the potential in a really good idea. I was having a right old laugh at a horrid anime called AD Police, until for like 2-3 episodes it started getting better and having some interesting ideas. Then the show went right back to being bad all the way to an abrupt and unsatisfying ending. I would have liked it better if those 2 good episodes weren’t there.

Jpkurihara
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Jpkurihara

Actually Mad Max was tied to a beloved movie license blinding many to the flaws of it. I’m sure that if Clay was white many of the criticisms would remain.

Seath Xuchilbara
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Seath Xuchilbara

Did SerchTESCHA just say he entered his cousin?

Oskar Nowak
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Oskar Nowak

That’s legal in Finland, but because of that grammar I don’t think he’s from there.

YoDude
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YoDude

That explains a lot about most Fins I’ve met. Including the ones on the white side of my family.

Oskar Nowak
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Oskar Nowak

Sorry if I’m stupid but I didn’t understand what you were trying to say.

YoDude
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YoDude

Just trying to make a lighthearted joke.

Oskar Nowak
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Oskar Nowak

Alright.

Seath Xuchilbara
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Seath Xuchilbara

“The fact they have PC, instantly puts them into the Gamer category.” – Clarky, 2016

What’s funny about this is that Clarky is kind of implying that owning a console DOESN’T put you in the “Gamer category” the way that owning a PC does.

Quick poll: How many people on Earth own a computer of some sort but don’t use it to game. Now compare that to the percentage of people who bought a GAMING console but don’t use it to play GAMES.

David Gil
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David Gil

Clarky would have an easy time trolling you.

Seath Xuchilbara
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Seath Xuchilbara

How so? Trolling would require him to illicit an angry response. I was merely making a facetious observation at the expense of his illogic. The capitalized words were included to convey emphasis, not anger.

Артемий Андреев
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Артемий Андреев

BombSench’s definitely google translated from Russian.

Sherwood C. Eberly
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Sherwood C. Eberly

I really enjoy the people who lament the death of the series. Most generic possible title, most generic premise, 3 middling entries. Where will gaming be without this franchise?!

MJC
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MJC

Oh good. Somebody bitched about “no Denuvo”. Because not including extra DRM on top of the Steamworks DRM is definitely a bad thing. If I don’t have at LEAST two forms of DRM at all times, I get livid. Not only should Mafia 3 have Steamworks and Denuvo, it should also have Games for Windows Live and SecuROM. Anything else is a 0/10.

The fuck is wrong with you, linoano?!

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Maybe he’s drastically overclocked his rig and overcompensated with RAM, so he needs additional rootkits and executables to gobble up some processing power and prevent games from turning into fast-forwarded cavalcades of unplayable hilarity?

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

Yo, hold up, does that actually happen?

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Some older games dating back to single-core processors can’t be executed or played reliably on modern CPUs. You have to use other apps to prioritize a single core.

Similarly, you also might have to emulate lesser amounts of RAM on DOSBox or other emulators.

Larry Meredith
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Larry Meredith

I imagine these are the same people that cancelled their pre-order of Titanfall 2 because one of the developers was heaping praise on the PS4 version. Apparently that’s really immoral because Microsoft owns marketing rights for the game.

Benj
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Benj

It’s annoying how many people don’t understand that racism (and all prejudice really) is more about the wider cultural context than the specific details of a single interaction.

El Minotoro
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El Minotoro

I happen to like drive around the sandbox city murder games. This is definitely one of them, with all the pitfalls thereof.
Literally the thing that upsets me the most is that I couldn’t form a criminal black panther empire. I was going to only murder white people like the race traitor that I am but the story means I’m forced to work with a bunch of snowflakes

El Blaise
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El Blaise

Perhaps I’m reading things incorrectly but it seems many folks are upset that they can’t murder the coloreds? Performance issues I get as a worthy complaint but if all you want to do is murder black people, African-Americans or whatever you wanna label em as go play Uncharted right after you come home from your therapist.

Burt Humperdink
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Burt Humperdink

Nah I think what they are saying from what I read before I peaced out is that the story line is a little to on the nose. That everyone involved is effectively a gangster so they would all be fairly unpleasant people with no problem with violence. This is actually a pretty fair point even if the people saying it are racist because certainly in all depictions of the Italian mafia even the protagonists are portrayed as deeply flawed people who you wouldn’t want to meet in a dark alley.

El Blaise
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El Blaise

I did get the sense that a number of the reviewers took issue with the general lack of nuance in the story, but that seemed to be a separate argument itself. I certainly won’t begrudge anyone for disliking a narrative, especially in games. I’ve found myself skipping cutscenes and dialog with increasing frequency over the past year or two. Also I genuinely appreciate your mature response, good day to you!

MJC
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MJC
I’ll be damned if one of the first missions of the game isn’t Lincoln Clay going out to a shanty town to murder a whole truckload of black people. Again, one of the first missions, meaning it happens while the game is interesting, before it gets to the part where it’s boring and repetitive and you might quit before finishing. So there’s no excuse for anyone who’s played the game at all to complain that you can’t kill black people. Which means you can plainly see that anyone making the complaint that you don’t kill black people has their head… Read more »
El Blaise
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El Blaise

That sounds like it would definitely be part of the game. I was just confused about the possibility of people being upset over not being able to murder a specific group of people, seemed a bit strange to me. I won’t begrudge anyone for complaining about repetition, that’s open world games in a nutshell after a while they all get blah. I guess I’ll have to pick it up whenever Steam places a sale upon its head and find out what all the fuss is about.

Benj
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Benj

My interpretation is slightly different to yours.

I think some white people feel that everything that includes racism as a major theme has to have a token “kind and reasonable white guy” and a token “angry irrational black guy” so that they can continue to keep issues of race at arms length.

It’s like the “some of my best friends are black” cliche but in reverse.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

“Some of the angriest people I know are black?”

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

“Liberals, man”- MLK

El Blaise
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El Blaise

Fair point and one I won’t disagree with, perhaps I need to play the game and get a better grasp of the actual story.

RedWolf
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RedWolf

I don’t care if I get labelled an SJW, but the term “white guilt” rubs me up the wrong way.

Jim Digby
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Jim Digby

Like ‘SJW’ lazy haters use white guilt as an assumption why you don’t share their views. It’s not that you’re just a decent human being, you must feel guilty for something you had no control over 🙂

Jim Sterling
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Yep, it’s an intellectually spineless way of disregarding a point of view you dislike by ascribing ulterior motives to it. That way you get to attack the motive instead of the belief.

That’s a flowery way of saying it’s a strawman.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

Yeah, people use them as a catch all “I win”. When people throw them at me I just stop the discussion. If that’s the best they can manage, you are likely wasting your arguments on an idiot.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

I remember in one of your videos back when you at The Escapist you noted “What’s wrong with social justice anyway?”

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

Y’know, the ironic thing is that for all people in the anti-SJW thru alt-right slice of the political spectrum bang on about “anti-white” sentiment and how no-good very bad it is, they’re very fond of implying that their opponents are all stupid and wrong because they’re just clueless white do-gooders and all the real women and minorities are on their side.

Hashtag NotYourShield.

Stormbringer
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I don’t feel white guilt. More like white hate.

Benj
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Benj

It’s basically the other side of the coin to people saying “check your privilege” as if it’s some kind of show stopper argument.

Erich Fromm Hell
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From now on, this shall be referred to as vice signalling.

A Roast Beef Sandwich
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A Roast Beef Sandwich

Hey guys!
Putting quotation marks around the word ‘game’ to imply it is not a game is an incredibly effective rhetorical technique! It is not tacky at all and you should keep doing it!

MJC
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MJC

Especially stupid when the game in question is clearly a game. The game part of Mafia 3 might be its worst part, but it’s still a game. It’s not Dear Esther or Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture, for fuck’s sake.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
See, you just don’t get it. If you’re the type to come into a game with overinflated expectations, the game ceases to exist as such and becomes a “game”. As in, an ersatz of what it could’ve been, deserving of contempt and of any non-native English speaker’s best efforts at spite and acrimony. Jokes aside, I don’t get all the bilious discharges. It’s blandly competent, it plays like it cares more about the setting and theming than its gameplay or mechanics, and it packs at least one or two good instances of player-directed schadenfreude. Deck 13 could repackage the KKK… Read more »
Benj
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Benj

That’s a really nice “point” you made there.

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

“This” is a really “good” “post”

iamagiantcat
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iamagiantcat

I really liked mafia 3 as a game I played a lot of for one week (40 something hours) and will barely ever think about again. I enjoyed my time with it, but it is kind of a fault that I can sum up the entire experience in regard to gameplay with driving to and proceeding to shoot of gangsters.

Manioc
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Manioc

“Leisure-Brutal-boys” sound like people Mad Max would combat in his man cave.

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

Sounds like what someone is before they level up to a Real Doom Murderhead.

Daniel Cavalcanti Coutinho
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Daniel Cavalcanti Coutinho
Why do people still say Mafia 2 was good? It was shit, it was repetitive and it fooled you into thinking it was an open world! In fact, you couldn’t even choose to free roam and get side missions because there were NONE OF THOSE. It even had the audacity to mark some guys on your map so you could go back to them, and when you got near them it told you something like “there are no jobs here right now”. There never was any jobs there, and you’ll keep driving around the city in a straight narrative line… Read more »
AHHHHHdelaide Knight
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AHHHHHdelaide Knight

Wait… someone is angry that it doesnt have denuvo? O.o

Stormbringer
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Probably they are just reciting mantras. No one really comprehends what these words mean.

09philj
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09philj

I don’t know, if OnlyOneWing’s opinions are accurate he’s making a fairly coherent point.

Unless I’ve missed something and this really is as good as The Wire.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

I guess the point is that Jim argued in his review that the game’s accurate depiction of racism in 60’s America was one of the only standout parts of the game (“An ambitious premise buried under a thoroughly unambitious game.”).

So, from his perspective, OnlyOneWing’s complaints about “politcal correctness” are the whinging of an alt-right pissbaby upset that the game’s depiction of racism doesn’t match their worldview.

I actually agree with Jim here.

Gurphardt
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>an upset, alt-right pissbaby upset that the game’s depiction of racism doesn’t match their worldview.

Or, that the game’s depiction of racism is unflinchingly accurate.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

Which is precisely what I meant?

Gurphardt
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Oh I was agreeing with you.

William Jones
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William Jones

It is a bit of a caraciture of that era’s racism, but only in the same way everything in modern fiction is caracturised.

09philj
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09philj

Fair enough. Games tend to have a hard time with racism. Mass Effect had a good bash at it, but it didn’t help that they were constantly encouraging you to be racist against Volus the whole time. BioShock Infinite was a weird mix of ideas that worked and ideas that didn’t.

jackcaboose
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jackcaboose

But from his (OnlyOneWing’s) review, it sounds like Mankind Divided, where all police are evil and all augs are basically jesus, and every single person in the street just happens to be talking about augs, augs, and augs. Obviously he might be wrong, but if it’s right, it seems like a fair complaint.

Stormbringer
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I wonder if “political correctness” (as such) existed in the 60s though. I can imagine it sounding very weird if a period piece is written with contemporary vernacular.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

I mean, I didn’t even understand what they meant by “political correctness” here. The N-word is everywhere and racism is blatantly and unapologetically shown. By traditional definitions of political correctness, such things should have been omitted due to being possibly offensive.

Well, I do know what I think they meant: “political correctness” as in “thing associated with pro-person of color viewpoints I disagree with.”

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

Political correctness, divorced from its status as a reactionary buzzword, just means “aggressively centrist and pro status quo.” I’d intuit that this was a time in American history when being racist was itself politically correct.

Stormbringer
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That’s true, and interesting, but I think politically-correct is a kind of neologism that has a very specific meaning and context. One thing that struck me last night as I was watching the 2015 movie The Revenant, is in that setting it seems almost like to not use a word like “****” for example would be almost inappropriate. Under heightened conditions that are life and death depending on ethnic allegiances, you might as well just treat each other as if different species. It struck me how slavery and wholesale slaughter almost feels like the more natural outcome than coexistence. As… Read more »
Jim Sterling
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It didn’t make much sense to me. First of all, complaining about dialogue not sounding “natural” in an action open world AAA game is odd, since that’s a rarity to begin with. Trying to find hypocrisy in murdering people and attacking brothels is weird, especially since Clay just takes those brothels over and uses them himself – that’s WHY he’s attacking them. The bit about bystanders talking in politically charged “rhetoric” stands out as well, since I can’t go anywhere in Mississippi without people on both sides bringing up the election. Mafia III is set in a time where similarly… Read more »
Stormbringer
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Does anyone remember how Jim came to Mississippi to create an all English accent website?

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Do random npcs attack you?

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

It reminds me of people complaining about that trans item vendor in the Dragonwhatever expansion. Video game NPC dialogue is always weird and forced because it’s trying to impart the most dramatic, unusual or important information to a player who could be encountering it at any time. The devs made a lot of random people on the street start talking about racism because they wanted to make sure players would notice it at least once, even if they were running around driving cars off buildings or something.

George
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George

Where are you from if you don’t mind me asking?

Because I agree that his point seemed coherent to me as well. I’ve only lived in 4 different provinces (Alberta, BC, Ontario, Manitoba) but with the possible exception of Quebec I think that it would be quite odd for the random Canadian citizenry to have very overt politically charged conversations in public, even during periods of upheaval such as an election or when the Senate misbehaves.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing?

09philj
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09philj

England.

George
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George

I thought you were somewhere in the UK.

Is there a culture around street level casual but charged public political discourse in the UK?

I think that it is an aspect of American culture that is lost on a lot of Canadians and others (Possibly?)

09philj
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09philj

Well, in my area, public political discourse is usually confined to organised groups in the place in the city centre where political people naturally congregate, but usually only at the weekend.

V3role
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V3role

A “black serial killer”? As opposed to most action games’ white protagonists: nice gentlemen who happen to be commiting mass murder because of the circonstances ?

Anton
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Anton

Murder privilege, son

BAH!
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BAH!

Ironically, people got *super* pissed at the very idea that Nathan Drake’s behavior is largely needless, and indicative of a person who likes to kill. Aka a serial killer.

SUPER PISSED.

Anton
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Anton

ITS JUST A GAME BRO

BAH!
Guest
BAH!

Is that the final name for the NX? The GameBro?

Anton
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Anton

No, it’s the tagline for GamerGate Simulator

Aristatide
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Aristatide

I thought it was a line of gaming retail stores that AAA publishers simultaneously decry and suck up to.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Now tell that to the super pissed.

MJC
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MJC
Hell, the DEVELOPERS of Uncharted got so pissed that people were saying that about Nathan Drake that they completely ruined the 4th game by taking out most of the fun third person shooting and replacing it with boring The Last of Us stealth but with less mechanics to help you sneak by (example, Joel could pick up a brick or bottle and throw it to make a distraction, but apparently Nate can’t find any rocks to throw in these expansive outdoor areas). And yes, Neil Druckmann confirmed that they did this because they didn’t want people to think Nathan Drake… Read more »
BAH!
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BAH!

“anymore”

So Drake loved murder *at some point*, but he’s changed now.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

He and Elena had a Talk.

Y’know, a long, serious Talk. Possibly followed by Fisher dragging Hubby in for a few therapy sessions. Next thing we know, he’s traded his pistols for pop guns in the attic.

Jpkurihara
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Jpkurihara

To be honest that’s mostly because it clashes with his personality.
Another commenter said it perfectly: “Drake is the type of guy you would meet at a bar, get hammered with and have him tell you his tall tales about treasure hunting.” Then on the next day, he slaughters a small town’s worth of pirates.
I mean, you don’t see people bitching about Joel killing several, several people in TLoU right? That’s because it’s shown he doesn’t give a fuck about other people besides his daughter (who dies), Tess (who dies), and Ellie. He’s a cold old man.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

A part of me keeps wishing that Drake’s adventures involved mechanics that stayed truer to Pulp Action form. Indiana Jones never directly killed anyone, but he wasn’t exactly shy about pushing enemies into environmental hazards.

Punching at least evokes *some* form of restraint – reaching for the first available firearm makes me feel like reaching for the nearest exit matters less to Nate than leaving a trail of bodies.

BAH!
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BAH!

Well, I mean, Indy killed that one dude that one time. Just up and shot him.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

The tulwar-spining guy from Raiders, right?

BAH!
Guest
BAH!

Yeah, and having diarrhea is no excuse.

Trouble Man
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Trouble Man

To be fair, he was making a point.

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow
Oh if anyone wins the “Nice Gentleman committing mass murderer” award it’s Aden Pierce. He goes on a revenge quest to find out who put a hit out on him that inadvertently killed his niece. Which involves him KILLING A FUCKING SHIT TON OF PEOPLE. People who more than likely have families of their own. Wives, brothers, cousins, kids. Any number of people who would want to go on a revenge quest of their own. Like…I get it. You loved her. And you want to know who would do such a thing but..Jesus Christ I think you may be taking… Read more »
qorl123
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qorl123

I wonder if he complained in a similar manner about Lincoln’s closest equivalents – the protagonists of GTA games? And Clay is more of a mass murderer, just like most other open-world protags, than a serial-killer anyway.

Stormbringer
Guest

What’s so great about the muzak? I had to stop at:

“One positive thing is that the music is great, but that’s a product of the times and not these incompetent white-guilt riddled ***** developers.”

No reason really. I’d just read far enough, and the nearby quotes were doozies. Is the music licensed? I’m always on the lookout for music I don’t know about.

(I’m only half kidding. Two or more praised the music. Is it Radiohead or something? Okay, now I’m really kidding.)