Podquisition Episode 137: Physical Contact Speed

The SNES Classic will definitely be a better situation than… oh. Oh it wasn’t. Okay then.

Elsewhere, we look at some console shovelware, we examine publisher lies, and talk some other bollocks.

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Camilo
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Camilo

A press person lies about in some announcement, I will no longer believe anything that person says. Fuck lying for hype.

yes
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yes

Which solitare game is that??

Asuterisuku
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Asuterisuku

I’m thoroughly convinced that the supply problems Nintendo keeps having in the US isn’t actually a problem with Nintendo; Any of the supposedly scarce things, I can walk into a store and buy here in Canada.

poop
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poop

GOD BLESS YOU GUYS FOR SWITCHING TO DISCORD

MJBarr
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MJBarr

Hey Jim, I’m noticing a “scorecardresearch” script flag in my noscript now here, which is apparently linked to soundcloud. Not sure if it has the potential to do its survey popups/whatever it does (I have scripts off all the time except when I enable them if you cant tell), just FYI (and of course its linked to soundcloud anyway so not your thing to fix anyway, unless I guess theres something other than soundcloud to use that isnt shit)

Maddy
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I want a Jimquisition Fidget Spinner <3

Outtaytoro
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Outtaytoro
If you do a Jimquisition about the lies by the industry, please use the exact quotes. I’ve heard you a couple of times being really angry at things that are just wrong, but you get so riled up about them (sometimes understandably), without ever referencing the original story. I think, sometimes it would do you good, to not go into the podcast not knowing anything and just getting secondhand information from Laura. I’ve really got nothing but respect for Laura, but getting your information filtered by only one person is never a good idea. The only thing I’ve ever found… Read more »
mjc0961
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mjc0961

Saying “not sure that E3 would be the best place to showcase BG&E2” if he already know damn well it will be showcased at E3 is still lying to his followers as far as I’m concerned.

Chris
Member

Why would you get hate for this? Calling Laura a liar and telling everyone she can’t be trusted, then doing the pathetic ‘I’m not telling anyone to attack her but…’ justification? Because you can find one quote that’s not exactly the way she paraphrased it weeks later? No idea at all why you think that might not be popular.

George
Member

The OP says nothing of the sort. I like Jim and Laura’s writing too but part of being a writer is having your views and work challenged by other people. It comes with the territory.

A small black-and-white cat
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I think you’re talking apples and oranges when you try and pool the pathological Molyneux/Murray brand of fib with the Watch Dogs demo and Ancel’s kind of misdirection. The first is something beyond games: a psychological issue about needing to be liked. The second is unfair, and a misunderstanding of the development process; you cannot predict the final product with 100% accuracy, especially years ahead of the unknown technology it will eventually run on, but the final Watch Dogs was pretty close to target nonetheless (or was on my PC, anyway). The last? You were right when you said Ancel… Read more »
mjc0961
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mjc0961

Your career isn’t worth jack shit if your career is lying to people for a living. Especially if the end result of your lies is other, innocent people getting attacked. You must have absolutely no morals whatsoever if you lie to people for a living and then sit back and do nothing while others get harassed directly as a result of your lies.

machine_dirty
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That’s a very good point, I personally do think some people overreact a bit to games graphics being downgraded(I remember the Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 2 downgrade controversies).

I was trained early on to take E3 presentations with a grain of salt after those infamous trailers of Halo 2 and Killzone 2, so I had a pretty good feeling Watch Dogs was never going to look as good as it did at E3.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

That footage should never have been shown then. There are some things I think a developer should be granted some leniency for if the final product is not representative of the what may have been initially shown due to potential changes in a game’s development. Graphics, however, there shouldn’t be any leniency if it is deliberately upscaled for a presentation. It isn’t representative of the final product. In that situation they have lied, they have falsely presented their game. They deserve any criticism they get for that.

Chris
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Chris

I forgot to mention it a few weeks ago, but I want to congratulate everyone on podquisition on setting their personal record for longest time without an intro at 54 and a half minutes. Well done!

George
Member
I 100% agree with both Jim and Laura with regards to lying and press. And Laura you are right when you say that you can’t see a difference. There is no difference at all. I understand the scale of lying. There is the little white lies about “oh you look nice today” and such. BUT interpersonal lies are not what we are talking about. The sliding scale should not exist with Companies or Governments. Those men and women at E3 are the representatives of multi-billion dollar companies that employ thousands of people, have huge environmental impacts, huge economic impacts and… Read more »
LauraLLaurason
Member

Just want to say the apology at the top was a class act. I’m not surprised by it – it’s exactly why I love you guys – but it was nice to have that reaffirmed.

And yes, everything else in that Switch update was pants.

David
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David
Why do Ubisoft and Ancel himself keep having such trouble understanding the idea that people want Beyond Good and Evil 2? Us: “We want Beyond Good and Evil 2.” Them: “Let’s not make it.” Us: “But we wanna give you money for it tho?” Them: “So let’s say we make it…” Us: “Yes…” Them: “Release trailers for it…” Us: “Yeeeeeeeessss…” Them: “Then not make it.” Us: “NO!” Them: “Okay! Okay! I hear you. We’ll make it…” Us: “Really?” Them: “IF you buy Rayman instead.” Us: *pinches nose* “Just. Make. Beyond. Good. And. Evil. Sodding. 2.” Them: “Understood.” Us: “Really?” Them:… Read more »
mjc0961
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mjc0961

Maybe Vivendi will make Beyond Good and Evil 2 once they take over.

SilentPony
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Always remember, BG/E 2 was in Day 0 development after E3. That demo they showed was, at best, just re-purposed game mechanics from another game. At worst, 100% unrepresentative of the game entirely.

Its probably safe to say the game is a failure. We know enough about AAA dev cycles to see where this is going. Glitches, bugs, day 1 patches, DLC carved into a dozen different editions, boring repetitive gameplay, lacking heart and soul, abandoned and forgotten within a month.

A small black-and-white cat
Member
I am mystified why you’d still be sticking to your guns on this. Your confident claim about “Day zero development after E3” was flat-out untrue when you first said it, and continuing to say it now it straight-up ridiculous. What “other game”? That was clearly the same architecture/ship design style from the trailer, along with a reasonably solid take on the environmental aesthetic. What you could see on screen represented a lot of work. The designed world was nowhere near as big as the visible horizon, and of course it’s not. There was sure to be a lot of architectural… Read more »
machine_dirty
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I’m more worried about the procedural generation aspect then anything else, I’m wondering if BGE2 will be another Shadow Warrior 2 where the gameplay is solid enough but the haphazard computer generated levels really bring down the experience at times.

Unknown
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Unknown

Did you deliberately not talk about Alex Mauer?

machine_dirty
Member

Yes, Jim said on his Twitter that he felt that continuing to talk about her would do far more harm then good.

YuKarasu
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YuKarasu

I’ll agree with you machine, and that’s the reason I believe SidAlpha is just milking her actions into his own fame. In NO WAY I believe Alex is doing the right thing neither I believe it deserves special attention. However, she will be sued and legal procedures are in place, so there is no need to make a whole new video about every single shitty thing she’s doing, just for the sake of “Look at this person making this stupid mistakes… yeah but i’m still worried.”

machine_dirty
Member

I used to respect Sid Alpha, but his actions over the past week or so have slowly eroded that respect, honestly right now he’s not coming off that much better then people in the Youtube Dramasphere like GradeAUnderA, Amazing Atheist, Sargon and H3H3(who I used to like when they were more of a comedy channel)

mjc0961
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mjc0961
You both seem to forget that Alex Mauer is still actively trying to destroy people’s livelihoods by attacking their channels. People want answers as to when it’s going to stop, what they should do, what’s being done about it, and so on. If anyone has news that can answer some of those questions, it’s not “milking it” or “dramasphere” to answer them. I mean really, dramasphere? Comparisons to Sargon and H3H3? This isn’t two YouTubers engaging in petty arguments for views, this is one person reporting on the potentially career destroying actions of another person that’s targeting innocent parties. Your… Read more »
YuKarasu
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YuKarasu

I’m with you in that, specially about GradeA. But if we begin to listen the number of Youtubers who made questionable actions in the sake of drama we will not end in this lifetime.

– Not just Youtubers though. This serves for everyone.

Nax
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Nax

His walking back on intervening with transphobia etc. was not commendable. The principle of free speech isn’t violated by SidAlpha moderating the comments section.

Someonenew
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Someonenew

I like the fact that Nintendo doesn’t make many classic edition consoles.

It makes it limited edition, honest limited edition, not usual video game “limited edition”, where you can still buy the limited version for the next 6 years.

I know you all want them but with out the production being limited… It’s not a limited edition.

And yes, I can buy a switch right now and could buy a nes classic up until April this year, Argos and physical shops are your friends.

mjc0961
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mjc0961

Why would I care if a product that was NEVER MARKETED OR LABELED AS LIMITED EDITION be limited edition?

And as for the new one, they’re putting a never before released game onto it. That should not be limited edition, they should make sure everyone who wants to play this effectively new game gets a chance to play it.

Joe90
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Joe90

Why would the classic edition consoles being “honest limited edition” mean anything to anyone? Is your hipster cred really so important that you would rather demand wasn’t met for the products you like?

Also, did you never listen to any of Jim’s many rants about how hard it was for him to get hold of a NES classic from the only store in his area that would stock that stuff? I know I never saw any available consoles to buy in the shops I frequent, except preowned and super expensive.

Chris
Member

Exactly, fuck customers. The only people who get them should be scalpers and collectors who can afford to pay scalpers. If you can’t afford to pay a few hundred extra dollars for an eighty dollar toy than that’s your fault, not Nintendo’s.

Ike
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Ike

Well you could always get a second job. Oh wait, wrong company.

John Hagg
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I think what Laura is saying is that if the SNES Classic isn’t readily available that she wouldn’t really have a problem with it! 😛 Love you guys!

machine_dirty
Member

Hearing procedural generation used as a selling point for BGE2 worries me, I hope to god it’s not another No Man’s Sky, and yes, Ubisoft definitely does lie far too much and it annoys me when people just accept it(though considering our illegitimate president lies on a daily basis and people blindly accept that too, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised).

mjc0961
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mjc0961

Whenever I hear the words “procedural generation” in relation to a game, I immediately stop listening and write the game off entirely. I am so sick of games shoveling mountains of procedurally generated crap at me instead of having actual good content crafted by professionals.

Procedural generation will never be able to make good content in a game, and at this point I’m so fed up I just skip over every game that uses it. Even if it’s not for the entire level design, but rather something else like the guns in Borderlands, that’s a skip.

GloatingSwine
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GloatingSwine
Procedural Generation is the philosopher’s stone of game dev. They all think that if they can crack using procedural generation to make content they can get rid of all those pesky humans who have to actually build content by hand and games will be much cheaper again. Except procedural generation cannot make interesting content, because it’s made by an algorithm that has few to no rules about what interesting is. The only use of procedural generation in a game I haven’t been immediately skeptical of is in Bloodstained and that’s only because all it does there is procedurally generate some… Read more »
George
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Don’t games like Age of Empires series use PG?
I like it’s use there but that’s the only one I can think of actually working in an interesting way.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
The thing is that 4X & RTS games use PG for map production because PG is very good at producing Similar But Not Alike maps. It’s the core irony of PG: it can produce a very consistent gruel, churning out unending (& and on their own, boring) variants on a theme. But developers, especially triple-A developers applying it in contexts it’s not traditionally used for, see it as a way of producing content, when in 4X and RTS games the maps aren’t content, the maps are just backdrops for the actual content of units, factions and game mechanics. Whereas in… Read more »
George
Member

As a producer of content PG. I think is a failure not due to the technology but due to developers underestimating how quickly the human brain will deduce the patterns.

machine_dirty
Member
Yes I much prefer hand-crafted levels over ones created by a computer, that’s one of the things that really dissapointed me about Shadow Warrior 2. That could’ve been a great sequel instead of a merely decent one if it hadn’t used procedural generation for its levels, because the gameplay itself was pretty solid. Bloodstained use of it sounds interesting, though i’m still highly skeptical towards that game after all of the high-profile Kickstarter failures we’ve had from big-name developers. Using procedural generation as a means to make games cheaper? if that’s actually true, that’s a cost-cutting measure that is going… Read more »
GloatingSwine
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GloatingSwine

Given that No Man’s Sky already happened, procedural generation already has backfired spectacularly.

Won’t stop them though, that’s why I called it the philosopher’s stone, they’ll go on thinking that if they just tweak and fiddle the formulas just right they’ll be able to procedurally generate things that are always fun.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Well, the easiest response to that is to not buy Ubisoft’s games.

Chris
Member

That’s just good advice in general, for a variety of reasons.

Ike
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Ike

Can you name a politician who doesn’t lie on a daily basis?

Chris
Member

The ones who aren’t constantly running to Twitter every few minutes to complain when people are mean to them like bratty, petulant children can usually go a few days at a time at least.

Stephen
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Stephen
Was looking forward to this one after the first UK wave of SNES classic sold out within a couple of hours of preorders becoming available. My view on lies in gaming PR: Lie to us about plots as much as you like to make spoilers less… spoily – Tell me that a villain isn’t going to return while planning their return, that sort of thing, but don’t bloody lie about features, releases, or press plans – No comment on rumour as policy, no comment on future press plans as policy, and when you make a statement more than no comment… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Reggie: So, you want an SNES classic? Well first we have to route the pre-order to an offshore account, then invest in a housing trust, then take the dividends to reinvest in war bonds, cash those in to paper currency, trade that currency for gold bouillon, buy stake in a Saudi Arabian oil baron, take those dividends to come back to GameStop andddddddddd it’s gone.
Me: What?
Reggie: It’s gone. Sorry, you weren’t fast enough and the down payment is nonrefundable. NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE!

John
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John
So, I reckon over the past while there’s been a heavy trend toward a lot of Nintendo focused discussion. I know this is because Laura does a lot of the work in arranging the topic list, and she’s a big fan of Nintendo and that’s all well and good. But it does make the podcast a little less interesting for those of us who are less excited about nintendo releases. I don’t mean this as a nasty criticism, particularly because Laura obviously puts a lot of work into the podcast and keeping things on track and so on. But I… Read more »
George
Member

I do see the criticism but I think that this is a result of Nintendo doing significant things in the news more than anything else.

Like Chris says there was a period when Nintendo was almost never mentioned in the Podcast.

Chris
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Chris

I kind of agree, but the other reason is Nintendo has been much more active this year than in previous ones. The first two years of podquisition were at a time when the only time nintendo had news was shitty youtube antics, and the very rare big release. Since the start of this year though, they’ve consistently been pumping out news worthy stories. Switch announcment, switch release, NES mini shortages, snes mini rumours, switch game rumours, game of the year contender released, etc.
I’m sure it will die down a bit as time goes on.

GloatingSwine
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GloatingSwine

Nintendo have had a lot to talk about recently though.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

While I agree that there sometimes feels like there’s a bit too much of a focus on Nintendo I’m not that bothered because Nintendo’s weird decisions mean they’re always good for a laugh.

machine_dirty
Member

I always look forward to Jim’s discussion on Nintendo news, they are certainly a very difficult company to like at times.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Although that can very easily be stated of any of the big three.

machine_dirty
Member

True.

Chris
Member

It’s the summer, that means gaming news dries up along with new releases. Happens every year, this really shouldn’t be a surprise.

Chicken008
Member

SNES is an initialism, not an acronym.

mjc0961
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mjc0961

acronym
noun
an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word (e.g., ASCII, NASA ).

Super Nintendo Entertainment System
SNES
“sness”

It’s an acronym.

RomaDoma
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RomaDoma

But a lot of people do use it as an acronym. I more commonly hear “Sness” than “S.N.E.S.”

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