Podquisition Episode 146: Knack Is The Bing Of Mascot Platformers

This week we talk about the big games we stuck our hands into, chiefly Destiny 2 and Knack 2.

Also, Game of Thrones, Mario isn’t a plumber, and this podcast is haunted.

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85 Comments on "Podquisition Episode 146: Knack Is The Bing Of Mascot Platformers"

Nitrium
Member

Here in New Zealand you can still pre-order the SNES Mini (for delivery on the 30th Sept). NZ$140 (= US$100). Limit one per customer though.

Nelson
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Nelson

If more Podquisition Animated happens, the opening of this episode should definitely be in the running

Epi
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Epi

Why not just bring back puppeteer?

Avery
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Avery

I keep getting distracted by things and haven’t been able to finish this episode.
Consequently I’ve heard about that Podcast Grudge 3 fucking times now, haha

Camilo Fernández
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Camilo Fernández

Jim, I love you, but FUCK man, my fucking ears…

Chris
Member

I know man, right? Those ring ghosts do a number on then while they’re cleaning things out. They really out to warn us about that.

Anton
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Anton

The marriage of Bethesda and GoT would be terrible, because the best parts of GoT are the intricately written storylines; Bethesda, however, can’t write to save their lives.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

This is why New Vegas is the only good Fallout/Elder Scrolls game. The game play in all of them is serviceable at best but New Vegas has a solid story and good characters which makes it worth sitting through the drudgery of playing the game.

machine_dirty
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I think Fallout 3 and 4 are perfectly fine games in their own right.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

They are but both are not without their issues.

Chris
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I think Skyrim is perfectly fine if you go in knowing that the story is going to be schlocky and silly. That can work in a fantasy game if you only care about killing dragons and getting cool armor, it’s certainly better at that then Oblivion was. I’d much rather Bethesda not try hard on their stories and just focus on making a fun world to explore and loot. If Fallout 4’s main quest had tried less hard to make me care and the dialogue system hadn’t been unusable garbage I could have enjoyed the gameplay. New Vegas is still… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100
I felt like Skyrim barely had a story. It was essentially, find out why there’s dragons cutting about the place and then you do what feels like a load of random, loosely connected crap while every now and then someone says ‘this is really important because of the dragons’. That said, Skyrim’s story is still far better than Fallout 3 or 4 which both have the problem of your entire motivation for doing anything being reliant on the player caring about a boring character that you’ve known for all of 30 seconds. I barely convinced myself to push through 3’s… Read more »
Chris
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Skyrim barely having a story is what I’m praising. Basically I think that if a company like Bethesda has a choice between putting very little or a minimal story into a big, open world exploration thing look that or putting a bad one that intrudes in the experience (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Fallout 4) then it’s better to not bother.

I’d obviously prefer an obsidian approach, but Bethesda is big and has a lot of resources and the ability to put these games or l out. I’d rather see more Skyrim types than another Fallout 3 or 4.

machine_dirty
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I strongly disliked Skyrim, I felt it had the depth of a paddling pool, i’d much rather have more guns like Fallout 3 and 4.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

More guns? I don’t recall Skyrim having any guns personally.

Chris
Member

Good for you. You’re right, guns are what that high fantasy game about dragons and Vikings was missing.

RomaDoma
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RomaDoma

Honestly I would like it only for the chance to explore Westeros. The story, I’m sure, would be shite, but it would be worth it to be able to travel all over the Seven Kingdoms. Especially if the locales’ aesthetics were inspired more by the book descriptions than the show. Dragonstone looks SO awesome according to the books and in the show it’s just a drab rock.

Kirk Hammer
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Personally I think that with all the assets made from Knack 1 and sequel potential planned from the start it’s less that someone at Sony was pushing for a sequel and more that the first game didn’t fail hard enough to preclude making one – much like how certain film studios have put so much work into making a “cinematic universe” that they aren’t going to let something as petty as their films being terrible get in the way.

machine_dirty
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I like all the DCEU films and they actually did make money.

Kirk Hammer
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Funnily enough I was more talking about Universal’s DARK UNIVERSE (which has to be said in all-caps), where they announced The Mummy would be the first of nine films in a shared universe before it even came out, and show no signs of stopping despite it being terrible (and it still made triple its budget back, so financial success =/= quality). But since you bring it up yeah, the DC films too, with their own schedule so tightly packed that by the time one film comes out and gets lambasted the next is almost finished and has to be hastily… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

But that doesn’t really change the fact that apart from Wonder Woman they have all been quite heavily criticized and seen as quite poor. Whether they made money or whether you personally liked them wasn’t the point being made there.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Sorry about yet another post, I try to get everything in one, but cursed drunkenness failed me yet again. Jim’s reaction to the Mario change was so very close to an ‘OH MYYYY GAAAWWWD’ from our beloved internet puppy, Rich Evans.
So. Close. Should’ve gone for it, dude.

Nitrium
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You do realise you can edit your post? So can you add to them as much as you like, as opposed to posting multiple increasingly more/disjointed entries.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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I used to be able to edit. But for some weird reason there no longer exists an edit or a delete option at all for me. Not sure what I done to deserve such horrid fate…

Alex Brown
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No,no. None of what you said about Mario is true. The reality is that “Mario” is a disembodied force and the character we thought was Mario is just the poor unfortunate soul who had been taken over years ago.

Nix
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Nix

I actually like Bing

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I used to like Bing because they bribed me with free stuff. I even wrote a script to automatically search for random keywords just to get my daily points quota if I didn’t match it before I went to bed.
Then they tanked the amount of points you get from searching, made getting points require a lot of work, upped the price of everything, and changed out most of the rewards to either (like two) charitable donations or (mostly) promotional sweepstakes.

I just want to know why some cheese is yellow and others aren’t. I don’t need a second job.

Chris
Member

And some people like Knack, so the comparison totally works.

Riley
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Riley

Is this the same ghost that haunted Podtoid?

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Knack shares the publisher of God of War? How coincidental that i always feel like I should be playing GoW instead while playing Knack at a mate’s house.
(I can’t edit this into original post to appear like a more restrained person who didn’t just down a bottle of wine and comment impulsively online).

machine_dirty
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It actually does not, Jim was just talking about Sony exclusive games in general, the publisher for Knack is SIE, who are mostly known for the Ape Escape series.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
Member

Oh, well that ruins the magic of my wine fueled twatwaffle 🙁

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
Member

I haven’t got a PS4 pro nor a 4k TV. All my current-gen game experiences are lacking :/

machine_dirty
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You don’t really need either of those things to have a good current-gen experience.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

You’d probably need to have a switch or a PS4 to have a decent current gen experience though.

Chris
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That’s not fair, xbone users have a full, rich next gen experience of all those great xbone elusives. Like…crackdown, maybe, someday. And…. Is gears of war still a thing I guess? Halo definitely isn’t, and they cancelled Scaleborne.

How can you possibly dismiss all those wonderful games everyone still cares about?

machine_dirty
Member

Halo definitely is and actually i’ve been hearing that Scalebound may actually come back as Microsoft renewed their trademark in May.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Sea of Thieves? That game all the hip young cats want. Gotta get me some of that pirating. I’m so excited I’m sawing off my own leg.

Chris
Member

Oh yeah, totally. The multiplayer pirate game that looks exactly like several early access games already on steam and that looks vastly inferior to Ubisoft’s version.

Xbone owners are going to be spoiled for choices between that and… Will basically just that.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
Member

It’s not that, it’s more that when I hear people talk about how beautiful or mesmerising a game’s vistas are, I know that even playing the same game on essentially the same platform will not grant that same wonder they talk about.

Darkseid 200
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Darkseid 200

I’ve got Ring Brain. Cheers.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I was expecting Laura to mention Before The Storm.

Chris
Member

Okay, the beginning was legit spooky. How on Earth did Jim know that I, as a kid today, was listening to this on my Zune HD?

machine_dirty
Member

Never really got what the big deal about Game of Thrones was, the whole “anyone can die at any time” thing makes it impossible for me to get attached to any of the characters.

I thought the first Knack was decent, but it definitely had some serious issues, fortunately the sequel is an improvement. Both games were made by the studio SIE, who are best known for the Ape Escape games.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside
Okay, I haven’t listened to the pod cast yet but the thing about TV shows is that they definitely won’t kill off audience/producer favorites. There’s also the fact that I think the TV show branched off from the books but I don’t know when. (Haven’t read them all.) However, I think the “anyone can die” thing came from the fact that some characters that died in the first book took a few episodes to die in the show. You can read a book quicker than watching a TV show as it comes out, so people got to spend more time… Read more »
machine_dirty
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As someone who never read the books that does not really mean much to me.

Plus from what I hear the show is basically glorified fanfiction at this point.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

By your own omission Michael you stated you don’t read fiction at all.

machine_dirty
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I don’t read novels but I do read comic books. Also plenty of people who watched GoT never read the books.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I didn’t mention anything about whether people who had watched the show had read the books or not. All I did was repeat a statement you’ve made from a previous discussion we’ve had.

Darkseid 200
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Darkseid 200

They’ve completely left the reservation by now. They’ve killed off a tonne of characters that are still in the books. They’ve also kept characters around that left the books ages ago. Just because that audience likes them.
I still enjoy it. But the gravitas left the show as soon as they started writing their own story lines.

Nitrium
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“They’ve killed off a tonne of characters that are still in the books.” Given that the last two books are yet to be released, and the show has for the last TWO ENTIRE seasons been supposedly based on this unpublished material, are you sure that will be the case? I.e., after season five, there was no physical book material left to base the show on. The show I suspect is now acting as giant spoilers for the unreleased books (i.e. the characters being killed off in the show will also be killed in the forthcoming books). That said, I’m not… Read more »
Darkseid 200
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Darkseid 200
I’m just going on what George R Martin himself has said. He’s stated that there will be a twist in the books that wont be in the series. And also that the character deaths will differ. I’m not sure how accurate that is. He’s mentioned that there are at least 20 character deaths in the series wont be in the next book. He keeps joking that the show runners are more blood thirsty than he is. He may just be trolling his fans but he’s giving the distinct impression that the show’s final seasons have some significant differences from what… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Martin has actually stated that books are not entirely going to go in the same direction as the show some elements revealed in season six will be the same but a lot of it will be different. Especially as the show has killed off several characters that are alive in the books and the show has dropped entire subplots.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

George R.R. Martin can change his mind and the producers can change their minds. I have no doubt that each will be different. Also, pretty sure Martin was working on the first 5-6 seasons of the show while writing the 3000+ pages for the last two books, while writing other stuff during that time, like The Princess and the Queen and The Rogue Prince, so, honestly, 6 years ain’t bad.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

If I’m honest, I’ve only seen the first season (which is when the reputation of “anyone can die” started anyway) and I’m only on the second book but from what I hear from people who read all the books and seen all the episodes, that seems about right. They also have never introduced certain characters or combined characters together and even left some stuff out entirely as well, which seems to have bite them in the butt a bit, at least with their own writing.

Darkseid 200
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Darkseid 200

The deaths are now just lazy ways to finish plot lines and end the show quicker. It’s a sprint to the finish.
The exact opposite to how the books are written,

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

That’s probably because they have no solid material to pull from and Martin is no longer working on the show.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

That only really became the case with Game of Thrones after the first season, while the first season did feature deaths of several major characters they were still unexpected. The appeal as Roma points out below is the quality of the writing and the narrative being told.

Major characters can die, which is also the case of most television series. The Wire also features the deaths of several major characters but that really shouldn’t prevent someone from watching what is one of the best series ever made.

machine_dirty
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The Wire didn’t rely it on so excessively as a crutch as GoT seems to do.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Seems to do? Without having watched it wouldn’t it be hard to know if that is actually the case or a reputation which has been exaggerated.

RomaDoma
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RomaDoma

Just to take the piss because I can…does that mean you don’t get attached to anyone in real life? Since they can die at any time?

The appeal of Game of Thrones WAS that it had a complex plot of political intrigue with well developed characters with realistic and complicated interpersonal relationships. The appeal now is pure spectacle. It’s still a fun show but not as smart as it once was.

machine_dirty
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That’s totally ridiculous and asinine, real life and TV are not the same things. Major character deaths can work well if they are done sparingly, the Sopranos did that really well because it wasn’t nearly as obsessed with slaughtering major characters seemingly every week as GoT is. Deaths of major characters start to REALLY lose their impact if you do it all the time, that’s a problem many people have noticed with comics in the past few years-excessive reliance on “shocking” deaths to get people’s attention(I.E. Cry for Justice).

Chris
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Interesting that your best, go to example of a comic from the “past few years” came out almost a decade ago. Not really indicative of a current trend. Of course, that’s probably because it’s the one that a popular YouTube show told you not to like… What you’re describing is a trend that has existed since back in the early days of the big collectors boom in the 80s and of big “event” comics that preceded it. You could probably trace it to the original crisis and the deaths of Supergirl and Barry Allen or to the death and rebirth… Read more »
machine_dirty
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Nobody “told me” not to like GoT, I just plain don’t like, deal with it.

I don’t think the show is bad, it’s just not for me, you totally misread my posts as usual.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

But you’ve not stated why it is not for you. What you have done is post about a single aspect and one which without having actually seen the show would be unable to comment on how valid a statement that actually is.

Chris
Member

No, I said you only picked cry for justice because a YouTuber told you that was the worst example of what you think is a recent trend but that’s been going on for 30 years or so for better or worse.

I think your opinion on game of thrones is shallow and shows a major lack of understanding of what makes a good or bad work, but it’s entirely yours.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

However there is a difference between what actually occurs in the show and an exaggerated reputation.

Chris
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I would imagine that the problem is that Game of Thrones doesn’t have the kinds of characters he can really dig into and relate to because they’re so well written and realized. Not like Pixels or Batman V Superman.

machine_dirty
Member

That’s a bunch of BS, plenty of people are turned off by the show because of that, i’m far from the only person. Also I really don’t see what those two films have to do with anything I said.

For me The Sopranos handled the deaths of major characters much better because they only did it occasionally as opposed to what seems like every single damn week like GoT does. In general GoT seems to use them as a crutch more then anything else.

Chris
Member

Good for you.

machine_dirty
Member

Never really got what the big deal about Game of Thrones was, the whole “anyone can die at any time” thing makes it impossible for me to get attached to any of the characters, plus I don’t really have any desire to watch any more brutal rape scenes.

I thought the first Knack was decent, but it definitely had some serious issues, fortunately the sequel is an improvement. Both games were made by the studio SIE, who are best known for the Ape Escape games.

Alex Wheatley
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The casual Dismal Jesters references just destroy me. Never stop.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The video game discussions are the off-topic points surely?

Doublep
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Doublep

“Catherine was not a massive success, but it has a very dedicated audience”… So they are going to wait 15 years and then make it open world with costumizable characters?

Anton
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Anton

I feel like open-world Catherine would pretty much be a modern Leisure Suit Larry

machine_dirty
Member

I liked some of those games so i’d be cool with that.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The actual Leisure Suit Larry games or the Xbox era ones? Which Al Lowe has said are complete shite. An open world Leisure Suit Larry esque game could be alright and would probably be better than the actual open world Leisure Suit Larry games.

machine_dirty
Member

I don’t really care what Lowe said. I played Magna Cum Laude because it was on GOG and I was curious about it, and then I played Box Office Bust just to see if it was as bad as people said it was, and I honestly thought it was OK, though that might’ve been more due to lowered expectations because of all the trash i’d seen on Steam.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Lowe’s creator of the original Leisure Suit Larry games.

machine_dirty
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I know that and I still don’t care, I like plenty of movies and games that the original creator did not like.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Isn’t that a rather a dangerous statement for you to make Michael? Considering how often you repeat the viewpoints of other people why should anyone care what their thoughts are on that subject?

Chris
Member

Unless a YouTuber doesn’t like it though, then it’s trash. As long as that YouTuber has never mentioned social issues in games or criticized total biscuit of course.

Stephen
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Stephen

Last time Mario fixed a pipe was Super Mario 3D World.

Greg m.
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Greg m.

can you like not just randomly scream into the mic like that? that’d be great.

Appretaur
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Appretaur

I call that the Sterling Alarm. I recommend it be installed in every U.S. city prone to either inclement weather or incoming missiles.

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