Podquisition Episode 154: Trick Or Treason

Halloween may be over, but this assortment of monsters is still ready to spook ya with gaming nonsense!

This week we mostly talk about the games we’ve been playing, chiefly Super Mario Odyssey, Wolfenstein II, and that Assassin one.

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37 Comments on "Podquisition Episode 154: Trick Or Treason"

Chicken008
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What’s with people calling Raikou a dog? It’s clearly a big electric tiger.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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If it’s any consolation, Gav, David Cage writes domestic abuse like an idiot child. The hardest part is taking the script seriously. To be honest, the thing I find most offensive is how amazing Cage thinks he is at writing and how pretentious he acts about it. I am 95% his only real conscious experience with the subject matter is through shit 80s movies. Why does he get given so much money??

wildstorm357
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Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Thanks, Cage’s number one fan, your opinion is duly noted and filed with the many others, including the Adam Sandler adorations.

George
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This is going to get me flamed…And I’m afraid to post it…because I genuinely care about what you three think… Look I love this show and enjoy your content Jim, Gavin and Laura. It’s fun and insightful. I know there are people around here who accuse me of being some individualist Tory asshole…This is not being written because of politics. It’s written because I genuinely support the content. But come on. Please google The Red Terror, Bolshevik Atrocities, The Great Purge, Stalin’s Total Number of Killings both prior to and including World War II (over 20 million when everything was… Read more »
Chris
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Maybe, and this is just an idea, learn the difference between all communism as a concept and the specifics of Stalinism. I know that’s hard, given how important looking down on the poor and the working class is to your personal philosophy. The characters in this game would have been American communists living in a world where most of Stalin’s crimes would never have come to light with the Soviet Union being destroyed during the war. So maybe, just maybe, none of that matters to a discussion of killing Nazis, something you really are starting to seem like you’re objecting… Read more »
George
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Lol… Wow, the irony of your opening sentence floored me. If you can’t see it then there is no hope for you.

But re-read what I wrote, this isn’t about the nazi’s.

In the simplest terms: Just because someone kills evil men does not mean that their actions and/or beliefs are good. THAT IS THE PROBLEM with this game as a piece of ART.
Given the way that you respond to everything, I doubt you can understand that concept Chris….

Chris
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I understand. It’s important to you to establish moral equivalence between members of an American communist party (again, that’s who the characters in the game are) who at no point committed any atrocities and likely no nothing if Stalin’s atrocities because he was like twenty plus years ago and his empire absorbed into the literal Nazi one the characters are now fighting against and said literal Nazis. It’s very important to you that Jim and Laura and Gav don’t make jokes about this fictional character from an alternate timeline and instead equate him with the Nazis. It’s not that I… Read more »
George
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The conclusion regarding the games plot that Gavin stated and I paraphrased… Its a moral and ethical question that this game poses (maybe unintentionally) and irrespective of the plot’s minutia.

You sound like an evangelist Christian who is trying to shame a blasphemer for questioning the faith. I find it interesting that you can’t see the parallels. If I’m heartless, then you are delusional.

And the proof will be in your response where again you will no doubt try to twist what I say to make it look like I’m an evil apostate to your collectivist nonsense.

Anton
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Anton

“Just because someone kills evil men does not mean that their actions and/or beliefs are good”

That is very true. However, guess what – this dilemma can be raised with nearly every video games protagonist ever. And you’ve never had an issue with it, until now.

Anton
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Anton
1 – when did other ideologies “get a pass” here? 2 – why is it that every time a far-right idea (which apparently now branches out to literal fascism) gets criticized, there is ALWAYS that one guy that goes “well, this other thing is worse!”. There isn’t a debate happening about what’s worse, there is a simple statement that fascism is bad. And if you have trouble getting on board with that, you have questionable political views. By the way, by saying “look at how terrible Communism is”, you’re literally giving Nazis a pass by saying something else is worse,… Read more »
George
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I never said that one was worse than the other. How does that come though? how does pointing out the moral flaws of this narrative defend fascism? I’m legit confused as I repeatedly state fascism is evil. This isn’t a question raised by all video game’s protagonists since not all games are concerned with making a political statement. Like this one is…albiet a very week and slightly unethical one. COD world war 2 doesn’t seem to be getting any flack so no its not every time. Why does my issue with fighting evil by coming together with other evil ideologies… Read more »
Chris
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Probably because it makes you look like you really object to killing Nazis. Just a thought.

Anton
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Anton

The anger is caused by false equivalencies and strawman arguments. American communism is an incosequential, minor movement that has nearly nothing to do with the Stalinist implementation of the ideology. Your argument is either foolish or dishonest.

George
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Considering what you wrote 3 posts up. Its a bit rich to accuse me of building a strawman, Anton. But no, an ideology can be evil even if the person practicing it at that moment is not. Sorry but you both are using the same excuses that religious folks use.

Anyway, Chris again I have never objected to killing a nazi,…unless it was in cold blood. Which is always wrong and doesn’t seem to be something the games does.

Chris
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Communism is not, unlike Nazism, an ideology that is inherently violent or evil. Many of the applications of it are, because they have been coupled with authoritarian states with violent, genocidal, racist tendencies. But the actual core of communism as a strain of political thought is no more inherently violent than socialism or capitalism. Nazism, as a specific ideology, was founded on the stated goal of wiping out an entire group of people, it is impossible to be a Nazi and not share that goal and those morals. If you want to say Stalinism or Maoism, specific applications of communism,… Read more »
George
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I don’t have twitter…

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I guess this is the only website you ever visit as well then. Stuff like that is everywhere, because the same people who believe it are the ones with tons of free time to scour the internet and just be awful. In fact, you can’t even say you’ve never seen it here though it has been a while thanks to Justin’s moderation. Also, unrelated to this topic but very much related to our last chat, a Chinese citizen said this in a discussion about first-world problems on the Amazon Seller Forums: “The rich man eats healthy, the poor man eats… Read more »
Chris
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You asked why people get so upset at you over this, and attempts at being sarcastic or insulting aside that is why. Because however well intentioned you are your arguments take an almost exact form of some of the literal Nazis you do agree are evil use to deflect scrutiny from themselves. Seriously, spend any amount of time on Twitter or on YouTube or anywhere else they congregate and see how much overlap their is between ‘actually the Soviets were worse’ posts and the same users posting ‘well why is it wrong that we just want to ask The Jewish… Read more »
George
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So…I am being judged for the actions of other people on the internet whom I don’t even know and who probably don’t live in the same Country? And frankly you don’t know them either. Unless their handle is something like “hitlerlove” or they explicitly say overtly “I believe in White supremacist/ anti-semitic things”…how do you know that they are literal Nazi’s? Unless… you assume that everything which contradicts your collectivist view is nazi fascism? Which I’m starting to think is the case. American partisanship and American world centrism at its best, I guess… I don’t care about the “online environment.”… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
“Nothing on the Internet actually matters” is (I believe) a token phrase used by people who get called out on their words when they know they are wrong. In the same vein as “It’s just a prank” and similar phrases, it tries to divert blame to nobody at all while saving face for the speaker. It gets used by the worst actors on the Internet: those who issue death threats, those who call US SWAT Teams on perceived enemies, and the vile little creatures which inhabit most public multiplayer lobbies after they get called out for overt racism and sexism.… Read more »
George
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I have never said anything you just wrote. Nothing I have said is racist or sexist in any way shape or form. I am not deflecting blame because I have done nothing wrong. Other than the sin of disagreeing with a game who presents a questionable ethical framework. You choose to see what I wrote for something that it isn’t. You choose to look at everything from a perspective where anything that even slightly deviates from your social and political values is nazism and evil. You are making the assumption. But the idea of you making choices is not a… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I feel like you cherry pick arguments. Create strawmen you can easily knock down, and monumentally miss the whole point of what Chris and I have been saying. You are acting like a member of the USA’s alt-right movement. You aren’t saying racist or sexist things. If you would actually read you would see I never said you did, only that you are acting just like the people who did and do. But you ARE saying “Hold on a sec, killing Nazis is bad because reasons”. Yet, the watered down Activision experience with Swastikas removed didn’t get that same complaint.… Read more »
Chris
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You literally just said they were equivalent, which was what I was arguing against. But please continue to ignore the actual argument about the ideology and just throw around buzz words from conservative circles like that, it really does make you look good. And I was answering your question, but you are still just being hostile. You asked why your statements provoke such anger from people, and I explained. Because intentionally or not your statements are basically the exact same arguments that Nazis are using to justify their existence right now. Does that mean you are one? Again, I have… Read more »
MuddyScarecrow
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So…Is it fair to say that Super Mario Odyssey is the Banjo Kazooie successor that Yooka Laylee wasn’t?

Nitrium
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Nitrium

Wow, it is as if many sock puppets suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Ayon Windsor
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Ayon Windsor
At 1:01:30 they go into the subject of the missing Swastikas in the multiplayer of Call of Duty. I’ll not let this rest. I went into detail about this in the comments of Podquisition 144 so I’m not going to repeat the whole thing but the important parts still stand. Activision (and anybody else doing a WW2 Game or anything with Swastikas in it) should finally grow a spine. They should for once push back their release in germany and go to court with it and finally fight for the rights movies and books have enjoyed for ages. If they… Read more »
wildstorm357
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Chris
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Just putting it out there that Justin missed one of the alts.

Grantaire
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Grantaire

But what if i want it to be commie propanganda tho ://

Lies That Bind
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I’m glad I’m not the only one having a hard time in the new Wolfenstein. I’m only on the difficulty above normal and I’m still struggling. And there’s a game mode where you go through the game with just one life on ultra hard. To date no one has unlocked the trophy on psn yet. Other than that the game seems to have improved on ever aspect of the first especially in terms of story. It’s just really hard.

Spurious K
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More bad news on the Wolfenstein 2 front: Looks like it’s a technical shitshow for a lot of PC users, review after review on Steam right now basically sums up as it’s fucked. The last patch apparently made it even worse to the point people simply can’t play/it’s outright blue-screening their computers. Unsurprisingly there’s also lots of hate for the game being so short (especially if discounting cutscenes and only going by gameplay) too. I can’t say I’m enthralled with the idea of spending 40 quid for about 6~ hours of game either though, even though I was really looking… Read more »
Chris
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The length doesn’t bother me if the game is fun or the story is compelling enough, but the PC port stuff is a deal breaker. I know that the PC isn’t the main market for these games any more, they are much more worried about getting their console versions up and running, but it baffles me that the first game was stable and looked as good as it did on PCs years ago and they went backwards just because they had to chase slightly prettier graphics and slightly higher framerates for the obnoxious ‘framerate is all that matters and also… Read more »
Spurious K
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The first game wasn’t really that stable, or rather more specifically; if you had an AMD card, you were largely fucked until workarounds were found later down the line (patching didn’t do a damned thing to help and driver updates didn’t manage much either). Same sort of problems, bluescreening included. And that was before Steam would give out refunds so was a costly mistake of a game for a whole lot of people. It looks like it’s largely Nvidea cards this time by the complaints. A patch that makes things worse is a pretty impressive achievement too. I think they… Read more »
Chris
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Fair enough, I bought the first one several months after release on PC so that probably effects my opinion that it ran well. This is a Bethesda problem, releasing half baked PC ports than patching them only weeks after they have your money. The industry and patch culture on the whole are a problem, more so on the PC but definitely on the consoles too, but Bethesda is almost uniquiely bad at it.

Anton
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Anton

As someone who finished Wolfenstein already – it’s only six hours if you play on an easier setting and skip the side content. I got over 15 hours and a lot of enjoyment out of it.

The technical hickups for other people are disappointing, though I personally saw nothing but smooth 60 with all settings maxed.

Chris
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I for one am deeply disappointed that pumpkin talk ended without any discussion of how tasty they also are. Even the seeds are good if you roast them and put a little salt on them.

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