Enigma_2099
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Enigma_2099

… I touched myself when I watched this. Then I played an RPG.

Jack Philipson
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People unfamiliar with RPGs will probably have a bad time if they play an old style CRPG, but if there aren’t any simpler RPGs nobody will be able to get a good enough grasp of the mechanics to comfortably play a CRPG.

Allan Weallans
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People who get so frothy about what makes a “real” RPG always remind me of the TSR vs. White Wolf debate that’s raged in the PnPRPG world for decades (as you can tell, because it’s named after TSR, who were bought by Wizards of the Coast 20 years ago). Cliff notes: the WW view is basically that you should ignore the rules if and when they get in the way of a good story, and the TSR view is basically that the rules are everything. I know I’ve played a few games where the rulebooks actively encourage the GM to… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

A friend of mine who regularly DM’s games at our local gaming group was recently at a convention where a D&D panel took place. During this panel one of the people talking actually suggested if you are stuck for a direction kill one of the player character’s.

Myself and several friends have a campaign going using the original Red Box version of D&D part of the enjoyment is the comedy which results from how absurd much of the rules actually are.

Amy
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Gamers like this give other gamers who love skill based gameplay a bad name. Can’t we all just play the games we love in harmony. We might all love different games, and different styles of gameplay, but we all do it for the fun.

b-rom
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I fear that I may be dipping my toe into the other side of the elitism pond with my take on why it is that these attitudes exist. It seems to me that the kind of person who puts this much emphasis and status on being good at unforgiving / difficult games is the kind of person who has nothing else to invest emotions in. So while most of us have gaming as something that we do to have a bit of fun, or to relax, or to forget about the stress of the day as an aside to the… Read more »
Chris
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There’s nothing wrong with taking pride in being good at games or enjoying that feeling of accomplishment. But when your desire for that has to come at the expense of others that’s when it turns toxic. I can see why you feel sorry for people like that, but given the state things are in, both in gaming and out, and how much overlap there is in those attitudes and other forms of toxic entitlement I am kind of done feeling sorry for those people.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

That makeup looks like a pain in the ass, for a 3 minute video. Hope Jim recorded about a dozen of these all at once.

Dj_Ziio
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Dj_Ziio
I love how these all came from a Divinity forum, which is a game that has an easy mode. Playing games now and playing games back in the days of Baldur’s Gate and Ice Age only have one real difference, its easy to find help when your stuck. Publishers want there games to be played, so making them “hardcore” just for the sake of making a niche group of entitled gamers happy is not going to be profitable. Dark Souls games weren’t really that difficult btw, the mechanics were the same throughout, they just required practice and learning the tells… Read more »
Smokey Blunts
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Two things this video taught me.

One: Sad people really need to feel superior about something, even if it’s their taste in videogames
(Divinity is like THE most accessible CRPG I’ve ever played. Not a massive list, but acting like it’s fucking Steel Battalion is a bit crazy.)

Two: Jim has pretty eyes.

Dj_Ziio
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Dj_Ziio

I wish they would have made an easy mode for Steel Battalion, I never could manage to get my Mech started up, and when I had my friend do it I would always wait to long to eject or turn to fast and have to start over. Worst game investment I ever made, and even worse, then I sold my first edition for nearly nothing,

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Also the earlier games in Divinity series didn’t really take themselves very seriously.

BAH!
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BAH!

You just fucking know these comments were written by some teen who’s only been playing “real PC RPG’s” for a few years.

Cobra_IronFang
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Cobra_IronFang

What I love about this idea is that when I look across my room I can see an original boxed copy of Arcanum, which I suspect is older and more stable than any of these “Elite Hardcore” gaming pricks.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Nah, he’s definitely 30+ because he’s still using noob as an insult.

Allan Weallans
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You say that, but he also uses Skyrim and Dragon Age Inquisition as examples of “consolisation”, which I take to mean he’s not old enough to remember exactly the same being said of Oblivion and Dragon Age II. (And given that DA2 released only eight months before Skyrim, that probably really narrows our timeframe down.)

Galactix100
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Galactix100

So is Amiel the duke of hardcore or is he a duke whose name just happens to be du’hardcore? I know it’s pedantic but it’s a question that haunts my dreams and wakes me in a cold sweat at 3:27am precisely every night.

Also that guy slags off Bioware so much you’d think it’s because it gives him an orgasm or causes an xbox to spontaneously explode every time he does it.

El Chica Incognitus
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People hate on Bioware because they are a “modern” company that includes gays, transgendereds and normalized gender roles they aren’t comfortable with.

That’s literally it. It’s mostly veiled bigotry that will devolve into foaming-at-the-mouth “SJW” name calling if challenged.

Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander
As someone who follows the like of Pillars of Eternity, I always found it somewhaty grimly funny that there were many anti-Bioware folk who accused Bioware of tantamount to digital porn because of the whole romance slash (dubious!) sex cut-scenes thing… But were entirely quiet on PoE having *actual mechanical bonuses* granted from having sex with prostitutes. Now, I have no problems with either approach (and you can bet as an inveterate min/maxer I was gonna use those bonuses!), but one cannot really point at the one game using sex as a “reward” for what, when you get down to… Read more »
MuddyScarecrow
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The one problem in that last paragraph is assuming these “1337 hardcore gamerz” think women should be playing games

MuddyScarecrow
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Um…I could be wrong here but didn’t the creator of Dark Souls say he WANTED an easy mode and it’s been the “hardcore” fans telling him not to? Also the “only deep games are any good” attitude is the exact same reason I hate the “all games need to be Dark Souls hard” attitude. There are different games for different goddamn people. Not everybody wants to devote ten hours a day to the electronic version of a second job, asshole. Sometimes people just want to play a small bite sized thing like Angry Birds or Super Hexagon to unwind for… Read more »
Chris
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There’s no point trying to fact check the kind of Dark Souls fan who gets that mad about hypothetical difficulty modes. There is no logic or reason going on there, just pure emotional desire to feel better than someone else. These are people who will explain without irony that just knowing that someone else somewhere is playing an easier version of the game, or seeing the difficulty select on a menu somewhere, would ruin their enjoyment of their supposed favorite franchise of all time.

MuddyScarecrow
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Oh I figured this guy was bitterly divorced from reality since he also said Bethesda and Bioware were trash RPG developers which…when the hell was that suddenly a thing that happened? Probably after Fallout 4 and Mass Effect Andromeda which…ok yeah cool. A bad/not as well liked game in a franchise suddenly means the whole company sucks now ok I see how that works.

Edit: Oh, and he doesn’t consider Final Fantasy and Diablo RPGs for….reasons. Seriously I want so badly to know his more than likely BS justification for that statement.

Nitrium
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“Oh, and he doesn’t consider Final Fantasy and Diablo RPGs for….reasons. ” I suspect because you don’t get to make major plot changing decisions in those games that the game world reacts to (e.g. different endings etc). Reactivity is a core game mechanic in “proper cRPGs” according to many (including me, tbh). Slightly more controversial (and one I don’t agree with persoanlly) is that you must be able to choose what “role” you want to play, as opposed to one the game world forces upon the player. And yes, that would make The Witcher series NOT an RPG, since the… Read more »
MuddyScarecrow
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Yeah but at that point people are just being pedantic. The genre has kind of transcended its original title to describe the mechanics rather than “the playing of roles.” Also I get the sneaking suspicion he thinks Final Fantasy isn’t a real RPG cuz it’s on console.

Nitrium
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The platform is (obviously) 100% irrelevant. You could make awesome RPGs on consoles almost as easily as on PC (the potentially complex RPG control schemes can be iffy on consoles). What irks me a bit is that ANYTHING with a skill tree and level progression is now considered an RPG, which imo is not what defines the genre. Indeed, you could easily make an RPG that has no levelling or skill tree.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

There are many tabletop RPGs which have very little of either.

Chris
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Because ‘RPG’ doesn’t mean what it does to you or I to that kind of commenter. It means the specific kind of game they were into when they were younger and any deviation from it or variety or even other types they didn’t get into (like JRPGs or ActionRPGs) doesn’t count and is only for the filthy casuals.

MuddyScarecrow
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Good fuckity god I’m so glad I have no idea what it feels like to be this fucking miserable. Because I’m too busy playing and enjoying all this “filthy casual trash” while they’re stuck bitching about it.

Smokey Blunts
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To me, the worst part of it is that there are actually good reasons for not having a difficulty select in the Souls games. Namely, a modal difficulty select could cause issues with fragmenting the playerbase. I can still go back to DS1 and regularly get summons. If people were split between normal, easy, and hard, that might be a bit harder without fudging the numbers or something and losing a bit of that knowledge that allows you to really skate on the razors’ edge. (Like, I know it takes me X hits to kill Y enemy as a phantom,… Read more »
Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander

Glorious, simply, glorious.

The way the comment’s author sort of escalate from “that’s a bit asshole-y” to “unmigitated [SKELETON WARRIORS!]” is almost breathtaking.

Sadly, I am all-too familiar with this sort of fellow so superlatively “immortalised” by the good Duke, since a lot of the games I play tend towards the more niche markets (older-style RPGs like Pillars of Eternity) or grand strats (like Europa Universalis IV).

NotoriousBOB
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NotoriousBOB

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH [Screaming in Willem Dafoe]

Deena
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Deena

Oh. HELL. yes. 🙂

KaiUno
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Man… I can’t wait to get home!

Chris
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That was fantastic. I know better than to think any of those comments weren’t serious, but it’s still depressing. Thank God for you though Jim, this is what we need.

Anton
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Anton

wait…. Wait…. WAIT

Someone actually said “for big boys only” and they weren’t being sarcastic? The human race is doomed.

TiagoLemosPeixo
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i would love to be in the room when someone tells this commenter that Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Divinity 1 and 2, Tides of Numenera et al are all ported or upcoming to the console without any design compromise.

(And I love inXile and Obsidian for that, truly, i do).

Chris
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It’s almost like designers want as many people as possible to be able to play their games if they think they’re good. Love when “fans” want things to stay exclusive out of some twisted sense of tribalism that the people making the games don’t share at all.

Anton
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Anton

Franchise fanaticism is bad, but platform fanaticism is pure malice incarnate. I still have ptsd from the X1/PS4 launch wars.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

I lost a leg in the console wars back in 2008. Turns out when xPSG4M3R4LYFEx threatened to find me and kick the shit out of me he wasn’t kidding.

TiagoLemosPeixo
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I can get some stuff staying “niche”, and criticisisms of the Bioware format do have a lot of merit. And I am a stauch defender of the old cRPG style of games. Baldurs Gate II is still my favourite game of all time. And precisely for that reason, i celebrated when larian, InXile and Obsidian kept demonstrating commitment to bringing their games into the console market. mostly because I am old and 100h+ rpgs kinda require a comfy couch, partly because i can badger my friends about how great these games are, and partly because this opens the way to… Read more »
Chris
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I’m referring to people being angry about a game they like on PC coming to consoles or vice versa. If you can make a control scheme work than have at it. The people getting upset about RPGs they like being ported to consoles aren’t wanting things to stay ‘niche’, they are wanting things to stay exclusive to them so they can feel superior to the ‘peasants’ who can’t afford to drop a thousand or more bucks on a gaming rig like they can.

TiagoLemosPeixo
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Oh, fully agreed. Those people are twice as silly especially because none of those old cRPG’s are visual powerhouses. My laptop cost me 500€ back in 2010 and it can run them still. it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad

Anton
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Anton
When developers want as many people as possible to play their games, we get great things like the console ports of Pillars and Divinity. When publishers want as many people as possible to play their games, we get homogenized, watered-down products like Fallout 4. I’m sure that a lot of the people that lament their games not being niche any more are really lamenting the fact that their beloved products lose their sense of identity. It’s really not about consoles, or casual players, but about publishers selling out in one way or another. (Hell, I still can’t stop ranting about… Read more »
HelixShade
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HelixShade

Can I add a couple to the list? :3

Neverwinter Nights and Baldur’s Gate. They’re both old games that conform to old formats yes, but they’re also BioWare Titles :3

El Chica Incognitus
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This. This needs a billion episodes. I have to say its sad I kinda agree that “consolization” has had a negative impact on gaming as a whole…BUT it didn’t ruin games like Skyrim, DA:Inquisition and Diablo 3. It has actually had zero impact on Skyrim and Diablo 3 as far as I am concerned. Hell I feel bad for console Skyrim players; they are playing a simply inferior mod-free version to the PC. The solution isn’t to scoff at how “inferior” console gamers are compared to “hardcore” gamers or “hardcore” games. It’s to tell game companies to stop watering down… Read more »
Anton
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Anton
Problem is, the more mainstream RPGs will keep getting watered down regardless of consoles or the players. Bethesda and many of its contemporaries keep pursuing bigger and bigger audiences, and trying to appeal to everybody at once inevitably results in a product with no identity of its own, other than easily marketable bits stolen from more popular games (like the conversation wheel!). Normally, I’d be upset by that, but niche games are coming back, so it’s all good. We just have to give up on the idea of out favorite franchises consistently giving us what we want, and instead go… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100
It doesn’t help your point of not scoffing when you proceed to scoff at conversation wheels for “watering down rpgs”, a point I vehemently disagree with. Consider a Bioware game, for example. The dialogue in their games can be very lengthy and are now all fully voiced. It’s both redundant and a waste of time for their to be a full preview of each of your dialogue options that you must read first before having to listen to the ensuing conversation. Even then, I personally dislike full text dialogue boxes. It hampers the flow of an interaction if I have… Read more »
El Chica Incognitus
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Was that all sarcasm? Cause I’ve literally never heard any of those arguements before.

No really. I have literally never heard anyone defend dialogue wheels and truncated “that’s not what my character was supposed to say!” lines as positives.

Alexey
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Jim, my boy, we all love you, but God, those attempts at “comedic acting” are even more cringeworthy than the comments themselves.

Bashtarle
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[insert “that’s the joke” meme]

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

When did Jim ever state he could act?

Chris
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Don’t speak for anyone but yourself here. You’re not going to find any takers.

NotoriousBOB
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NotoriousBOB

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH [laughing in Willem Dafoe]

Stormy
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Stormy

[seconds the “that’s the joke” meme insertion]

El Chica Incognitus
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I could not disagree with you more.

The whole Duke Du H’ardcore shtick he’s done is far and away the best thing he’s ever put together in my opinion so please don’t say “we all” like anyone actually agrees with you.

Chris Topher
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Lol but what’s reallybfunnynis that the 1 person who wrote these surely believes it so when jim says it..well for him itsblike an endorsement haha probably tells people that jim sterling quotes him lol

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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*grabs nearest drink and chocolate* Dis gonna be good!

Edit: That was indeed the aforementioned expectation of good! The gaming community really needs an update of the word ‘noob’ by now though, people still using it just sound quaint and childish, like those ‘xbox users’ they evidently lament so much.

Chris Topher
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It was quite funny. Not sure why people are down voting you. I’ll upvote You!

HelixShade
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HelixShade

So I’ve had a really shitty day. Fell out with my Social Worker, and the only thing keeping me from collapsing at my desk right now is a fresh infusion of Caffeine. Then I see this in my Youtube Notifications. This made my day.

Here’s to more Duke in the future!

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Similarish here, hope all gets better soon. 🙂 Those situations are temporary setbacks for now.