The Jimquisition: A Cautionary Post-Mortem Of Evolve

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Battleborn is not the only 2K Games release to have suffered indignity this generation. Evolve, more famous for its DLC model than anything it did as a game, was another multiplayer shooter that failed to do anything better than fail.

The fate of Evolve serves as a cautionary tale to any would-be project banking on additional content to make its money. Audience goodwill is a finite resource, and when you push for excess at the expense of quality, you might just find out how finite it is.

Nitrium
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Nitrium

Jim, why don’t just get a green/blue screen? Would be waaaaaaaaay cheaper than the custom banner, and have the advantage of having zero glare issues etc, and have much more versatility (you can put on whatever backgrounds, including video, you like).

Appretaur
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Appretaur

We’d probably end up with the Angry Jim Show if he did that. 😉

Nitrium
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Nitrium

Depends on how he’d use it. Jim COULD just use it for the logo and have it serve EXACTLY the same purpose his printed banner does now (except minus the TP 🙂 ). I assume he has a reason for not using a green/blue screen, but I’m honestly wracking my brain to find a disadvantage.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

Considering his predilection for bizarre, macabre, and even disturbing imagery, I can only imagine the visual carnage he’d unleash on us.

And I imagine some Lovecraftian horror doing pelvic thrusts at him in the background while he rails against Konami.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Eeeeh, I’d rather Jim to wait for a new backdrop than to witness chroma key artifacts

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Chroma is one of the better ways to farm Keys and Artifacts, especially if paired with a Huras Kubrow to stealth you while Effigy lets you suck up all those sweet, sweet loots and credits completely unharmed.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

You sir are an American hero. Or whatever nationality.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I used to be proud to be an American like you. But then I took a Trump to the Presidency.

Polishfury5000
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Polishfury5000

Interesting stuff. I haven’t thought about Evolve in a while, pretty fascinating the steps it took pre and post launch.

I wouldn’t mind seeing more post-mortem reports down the line, it makes for an enjoyable episode when there isn’t anything big going on in gaming.

Christoph Brinkmann
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Christoph Brinkmann

The best part of eVolve wasn’t even the game – it was the rabid fanboys defending it with their dying breath. They couldn’t fathom why people weren’t excited about a game which had the pitch of “DDDDAAAAAAAAAAAA DLC! LOOK AT ALL THIS DLC! WE’RE MAKING SO MUCH DLC THAT WE’RE GONNA HAVE DLC FOR YOUR DLC! DEE! EL! SEE! DEE! EL! SEE!” and so much paid DLC that you would actually spend more money on the DLC than the game itself.

Chris Mitchell
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Chris Mitchell
CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

7.8/10 not enough cheese!

Stormbringer
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I think the cheese is supposed to be a metaphor for DLC (“microtransactions,” or whatever the kids are talking about nowadays.)

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

For microtransactions, maybe. But you can’t buy the same DLC twice. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae3fca8ff53a59423e05e196916a78be5680e7c2d5ee4defaff32e897ed02c57.png

Benj
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Benj

The takeaway from this is that you can’t copy-paste your pitch to investors and put it out as marketing to the consumer with a couple of words changed.

JDK002
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JDK002
Evolve will forever be one of the biggest disappointments for me. It could have been something great, but 2K just couldn’t be bothered to give half a fuck about it. Opting for a cash grab instead. Then making Turtle Rock spend a year and a half on a corpse and pretend everything is fine. I was actually one of the people defending the game initially. Until they released the ENTIRE season pass all at once a month after the game came out….after insisting the content “wasn’t ready at launch”. Then proceeded to say the next wave of content (which was… Read more »
CrossOfSin
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CrossOfSin

WB/Netherrealm is doing something similar with injustice 2. They have preorders ready to go now featuring dlc characters before they’ve even revealed the full roster.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Speaking of Injustice 2, anyone else fears they’ll include microtransactions for the characters’ garb?

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

Or more of those tokens like in MKX. You know, the “pay real money to have the computer do the fatality for you” tokens. So stupid.

Although, if Batman whipped out his Bat-Credit Card every time you spent one, it could be classed as post-modern gaming irony?

Artemiy
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Artemiy

The tokens at least are stupid and more or less useless. The “buying items for money” could become a pay-2-win.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

That would be a great…. actually that pun would be shite.

galactix100
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galactix100

I’m think I saw something saying that there’ll be loot boxes in the online portion but I could be talking out my hole.

Andrzej Sugier
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Andrzej Sugier

There will be character specific loot and random crates (with microtransactions ofc).

I despise this bloody industry for stuff like this.

George
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George

But Jim you did a post mortem on Mighty Number 9 as well!

Thanks though. I enjoy your in depth critical analysis/ video essay work. I find it useful since it helps me make better and more informed choices when it comes to the products I like to buy.

<3

Cyvaris
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Cyvaris

Ohh Jim, thank you for including some glorious Nazi bashing in this.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex
Yeah, 2K are a bit like WB a bit as in many peeps don’t see them as another EA (holy fuck, what is it with these 2 digit acronyms?), probably because they publish better quality games over longer periods. But they do sipple from the well of corporate desire like many other. Interesting stuff, I intend to support this patreon once my income maintains a reliable consistency not dependent on human trafficking and the needs of those indulging in personal pleasure. The value of obtained information to entertainment ratio is regularly appreciated by this asshole. Anyhow, I hear resident evil… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

Jim just got a code for RE7 and he’s playing it right now.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

Excellent Intel gathering, curious spy! Your cheque is in the post…Godspeed, kingsman! ;p

Gaealiege
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Gaealiege

Those little snippets of Richard Spencer having his teeth pushed into his throat….they warm my heart.

Nicholas W Sullivan
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Nicholas W Sullivan

Other reasons to hate on 2K – Always overcharge Australia/NZ for all their games. Which means all the DLC for those games is similarly over-priced, and often by the bucket-load as well (hello Civ 5).

And of course, they tried to region lock steam keys to prevent people from getting EU/North America ones via key-resellers and Green Man Gaming, but that seems to have died a swift death thank fuck.

galactix100
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galactix100

I love how Ubisoft’s justification for microtransactions is allowing greater customisation in The Division of all games.

Tobasco da Gama
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I really, really liked Evolve Stage 2, actually. It was pretty good! Fucking shame that 2K took their DLC vehicle and went home without giving Turtle Rock a chance to really flesh it out, though. Stage 2 was a great thing for Turtle Rock, though. If they moved on to their next game with Evolve in its “Stage 1” state, I don’t think I’d give them the time of day regardless of who their publisher was. But the Stage 2 revamp honestly bought just enough good will from me that I’ll be taking notice of whatever they do next and… Read more »
Doublep
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Doublep
I don’t know, while all the bullshit pre-order system Jim mentioned is definitely true, Destiny was not particularly better, and people are still playing that. I think the problem is that the AAA industry has still to understand that a multiplayer only game is a “go big or go home” bet. Either you get a shitload of players at launch, or the fact that the community is small becomes a big problem to get more players to join in. In the end, if many multiplayer only games are released close to each other, only one (or none at all) ends… Read more »
09philj
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09philj

Destiny was supported properly. Kind of.

diamond
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diamond

Yes, and that game got improved quite a bit in year two.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro
Destiny is also a pseudo-MMO, so it can make the argument that the DLC and expansions are a substitute for a subscription. I’m willing to agree with that line of thinking, given that I’ve been playing FF14 for a shorter time than Destiny and it’s cost me less to play Destiny overall. The big problem remaining for Destiny on that model is that many of its “expansions” are so damn small, and while it’s cheaper than FF14 or WoW it has a lot less content (though if you ask me they’re all the same repetitive gear treadmills at endgame). Of… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

That’s right, publishers have to realize that releasing a game without a campaign is a big risk, sure Rainbow Six Siege is doing well now, but there’s no guarantee it’s playerbase won’t have a sudden fall off sometime this year and never recover.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

To an extent but i think it highly depends on the game Activision could possibly get away with dropping the COD campaign entirely. What publishers need to is ensure the game is engaging and decently supported, with fresh content released at regular intervals to keep the game fresh. Multiplayer only games can work if but taking the route Evolve did is only going to end badly.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t think they could get away with it.

Multiplayer-only games should be strictly for PC only, no point in releasing an MP only game on consoles when that disc will be little more then an fancy drink coaster in a few years.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I do and Overwatch is an example of it and is a success on consoles as well and there plenty of MP only games on consoles. Done well and with approach a game can be MP only and work on both consoles and PC.

diamond
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diamond

But for every Overwatch there’s at least a dozen MAGs and Shadowrun’s.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Yes that would be why I’ve stated done correctly several times.

YoDude
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YoDude

That won’t happen. Siege has a rabid following. I love the game full disclosure. But the guys who are like Diamond rank in that game never stop playing it.

Plus for military shooters there isn’t much like it. It’s pretty on its own right now. I know it’s team based game play sure scratches my itch.

diamond
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diamond

Ubisoft would still be very silly not to at least try and release another R6 game with an actual campaign after the critical acclaim Titanfall 2 got.

Lies That Bind
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Lies That Bind

I wished I could convince myself to like this game more than I did. After paying $60 for it and getting maybe five hours of playtime from it I traded it back in for five bucks because the value of the game shot down so fast. It wasn’t even the dlc shenanigans that put me off, I just didn’t know what I was in for with the game but hearing that the left 4 dead guys were behind it was all I needed to know. It’s a struggle to keep playing that game.

Appretaur
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Appretaur

Is that a jimstain on the wall above his left shoulder?

Shui Gor
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Shui Gor

“Sometimes a fucked game is just a fucked game.”

Make that into a T-shirt, Jim.

Malidictus
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Malidictus
As to Oh Ubisoft: I personally don’t mind paying extra for extra content as long as the microtransactions are done well (read: not like in Overwatch). A game undergoing continuous development needs some kind of perpetual revenue stream beyond just retail purchases to support its developers and often server costs. Hell, back in the day we used to pay $15 a month for that, yet I’ve never seen a Jimquisition telling me I should hate subscription fees. Buying a game and owning everything it will ever offer worked back in the day when games were launched and abandoned. It doesn’t… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

i’m ok with microtransactions in free to play games(or in cheaper games like Killing Floor 2) but not in full priced games.

SmaMan
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SmaMan

coughcoughSplatooncoughcough

MJC
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MJC

What does a game where they artificially held back content to make it look like they were being nice by releasing “free” DLC have to do with games where they’re actually developing new content? Splatoon is a textbook example of what not to do: releasing a barebones game and then slowly putting content back in until the game is what it should have been at launch.

Malidictus
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Malidictus

I haven’t kept up. How much extra content has Splatoon gotten since it released?

MJC
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MJC
I’d rather they did subscription fees instead of the $60 up front and then fee-to-pay microtransaction bullshit after. I already paid the price they specifically asked for, they can fuck off if they want more money. If they need more than $60 to keep paying for development and server costs, they should completely change the business model rather than just tacking on more and more fees that make consumers feel like ATMs instead of people. And honestly, I usually DON’T spend the $60. $60 is a lot to spend on a multiplayer focused or multiplayer only game considering the two… Read more »
Malidictus
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Malidictus
“They’re just greedy.” Have you any concept what game development and server maintenance actually costs? I’m personally involved in a community server for an old video game, and server costs for ~1000 people set us back ~$3500 every three months or so. A large-scale MMO with hundreds of thousands or even just tens of thousands of concurrent players costs a fortune just to run before you factor in salaries, rent and equipment. And that’s just keeping the game running. Actual development costs a lot of extra money on top of that. That money has to come out of somewhere. Extra… Read more »
Andrzej Sugier
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Andrzej Sugier

I, however, hate subscription fees. It creates a pressure to play the game I paid for even when I don’t feel like it, otherwise I feel like I’m wasting my money.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Oh please. Don’t normalize this shit. Multiplayer games were being supported post-launch before just fine.

Malidictus
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Malidictus

Normalise what? Subscription fees for development and server costs are what games used to support themselves before multiplayer was widely adopted altogether. EverQuest, Dark Age of Camelot, Ultima Online and so on. There’s a difference between “maintaining” games and “supporting games with content updates.” As far as I’m concerned, UT2004 is one of the best dedicated multiplayer games of all time, but how was that “supported?” It… Kind of wasn’t. Nor was Quake 3 Arena, nor the older Unreal Tournament games, let alone the “new” one. Development costs money, simple as that.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Um… Except Q3A had a DLC piece. And UT3 had a free content update. And UT2004 did too.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I have no opinions on Evolve. It was, like you said, not worth investing in because it was asking me to spend on top of spend on top of spend. That and being a multiplayer shooter. Not even Overwatch has managed to maintain my interest beyond the first month, and it was one of the few MP-Only shooters I was able to convince myself to play. The real reason I am leaving this comment to congratulate you on the Black Tiger video. I think only FF7 is the thing to have used that music better. “Fight On” indeed. The Japanese… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I heard rumblings of an Evolve sequel at one point, if that does happen, hopefully it will have a proper campaign.

Never played Overwatch and never will(unless it gets a campaign) i’m just a multiplayer kind of guy as I find it too stressful and repetitive to really be fun.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I suspect the chances of it are now quite slim.

diamond
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diamond

Maybe not, the game at least sold well enough, maybe the reason 2K got rid of the servers is because they want a sequel.

Tobasco da Gama
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The servers are still up, actually. What happened is that they terminated support and kicked Turtle Rock off the project. I don’t know who actually owns the IP, but I’d say that bodes pretty poorly for a sequel.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski
Its too bad Evolve ended up the way it did. I can see the developers took the fun of a Tank fight in L4D, but forgot what made L4D fun in the first place: the campaigns! The Tank fights are little side shows to the main attraction, something to switch it up a bit, but could never stand on its own. The game itself looked cool, at least. The monsters are so badass, the characters are unique and interesting, and the environments are beautiful. They just couldn’t find a way to give it lasting power. As for Overwatch, I had… Read more »
Mark Davenport
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I bet Microsoft regretted making Evolve share an image connection with the Xbox One as per the marketing campaign with exclusive beta’s and the having the console logo at the end of trailers ect. I remember seeing Evolve ads on the side of trams in Melbourne and a 5th of the image was saying Xbox One at the bottom.
Backed the wrong horse or should I say alien.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t think they did, they made their money with that game on launch day.

SilentPony
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SilentPony
Huh. I just realized how similar AAA devs are to Hollywood execs. Everything has to start a franchise, nothing can just be a stand alone product. Also can we all admit “pre-downloading on launch day” is the worst pre-order extra in the world? Like, the fuck? I don’t get to play the game early, but I get to download like 12 hours ahead of time, still wait for the servers to come up on launch day, don’t get any leg up on other players, and all it cost me was an additional $40! Pretty soon confirmation emails for purchases will… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
On PC it might not be much since the networks actually, y’know, work; But on console’s infrastructure the extra 2 days is a godsend and doesn’t cost any extra (unless you buy a digital deluxe). I can play when I get home from work without buying at midnight before I go to bed (for launch day) or the day before (for any other time). My time may not be worth much, but I’d like to waste as little of it as possible. Hence why I generally only post on weekdays before 5PM EST, nothing better to do on my breaks.
diamond
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diamond

I just see digital copies as pointless and as a waste of money, if I get a physical copy from Gamestop, I can trade in older games in for store credit towards it(along with the occasional coupon), if I bought every game I was interested in digitally, i’d be broke ten times over.

Given how some people still don’t have the best internet connections, it’s easy to see why physical copies have an advantage, I can also get games installed faster by taking it offline so the games will install straight from the disc instead of being downloaded from the internet.

SilentPony
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SilentPony

I think Digital copies could work if they start at a discount, presumably because its cheaper to do than print up an entire CD + box + shipping, etc…

AND prices need to go down over time alongside the physical copy. It’s bullshit I could get a new or even used copy of say…Elite Dangerous or something for cheap if I get a CD, but the digital copy is still full launch price, even after two years.

diamond
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diamond

Oh it gets worse, sometimes digital copies are actually MORE expensive, GTA V costed 70 fucking dollars to buy digitally on 360 when it first came out, fucking what?

SilentPony
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SilentPony

No kidding?! That’s fucked up! Digitals need to be cheaper out of the gate, no question. It basically saves all of the production cost of the physical copy, so they’re profit margin per copy is wider, so they can afford to lower the price and still come out ahead.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Except publishers need to bow to the interests of physical stores. If digital copies cost a penny less than physical copies, gamestop would flip their shit, and could cost the publishers some money.

SilentPony
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SilentPony

I hadn’t even considered that. But wait, if the physical stores are allowed to put games on sale, why can say Sony put some of their digital games on sale too?

MJC
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MJC

Nah, because the cost of the physical bits are replaced by the cost of the servers. Even though you’re probably already paying for Xbox Live Gold or PlayStation Plus, you still gotta pay more because they can make you pay more.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

While you do get some store credit for trading in your games, you’re still technically losing money. Especially considering the trade in rates at GameStop are horrendous and you can’t use your credit outside of a GameStop. Your money is locked in their bank and there’s nothing you can do about it. And while digital games have their drawbacks, at least Steam allows a full refund under certain conditions, so maybe that’s a move in the right direction.

diamond
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diamond
Not really, if I bought a digital copy of every new release I was interested in, i’d have lost way more money. Considering I don’t want to use trade credit outside of Gamestop anyways, I don’t see that as a bad thing, trade rates are fine for some games not for others, I for one do not want to withdraw my money from Gamestop, I like going there too much. Steam is still bad about refunds in a number of ways(that two hour time limits is pure fucking bullshit) and Gamestop does refunds too, I was able to get a… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I think that entirely depends on the game. Pre-load works with a single player game where there isn’t any other infrastructure preventing you from playing it. Something like Evolve is fairly pointless when it is a multiplayer game.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t give a fuck about pre-loading, I see zero reason to buy digital copies of games on console over physical ones.

galactix100
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galactix100

I’ve not really got a problem with games/films being made with a future franchise in mind so long as it’s a good product that can stand on it’s own. Take Mass Effect, for example. There’s no way EA wasn’t planning a franchise when it was being made but the game holds up when taken on its own as well as part of a franchise. Whereas a game like, say, The Order 1886 is a pile of wank because its sole purpose is to set up the franchise and is therefor unable to stand on its own two feet.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

EA still didn’t own Bioware when Mass Effect was first created. Just saying.

galactix100
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galactix100

Aye, but EA published the game and bought Bioware prior to release. There’s no way they didn’t have long term plans for Mass Effect.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Fairly sure Microsoft published the first game which is why it was an Xbox exclusive for a long time.

galactix100
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galactix100

Both EA and Microsoft were publishers. Plus it was only Xbox exclusive for about 6 months before being released on PC.

The Jünger Ludendorf
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The Jünger Ludendorf

Now if only they informed the writers that they wanted to make it a franchise.
Then it might have actually flowed like one, instead of feeling like multiple disjointed chapters from parrallel universes :/

Andrew Christianson
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Andrew Christianson

The last time I was given the opportunity to “pre-download” it didn’t mean jack. The release day came, but I couldn’t start/finish the download, because PS4 got exclusive first access, apparently. So they staggared when my PC could play.

I was “allowed” to start at three in afternoon of launch day. After PS4 and X-Box. Yeah, thanks. I only took two days off to play, jackoffs.

diamond
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diamond

That’s why it’s better to buy physical then digital, physical downloads on consoles are WAY faster, just take the console offline and put the disc in and the game will install straight from the disc instead of downloading it over the internet, which is WAY faster(Titanfall 2 only took 15 to install on disc).

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

I think his problem is that he plays on PC, though. I only play a few games on PC, so I’m no expert, but I’m sure most of the games on Steam don’t come in a physical form, especially indies. Even console users are lucky enough to get a few indie darlings in physical form.

diamond
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diamond

Yeah I see zero reason to buy games digitally on consoles(except for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, as the digital version is the only way you can get access to all of the DLC nowadays)

SilentPony
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SilentPony

I will say I can understand some reasons to get Digital. One of my cousins lives out in the sticks, truly 45+mins away from the nearest game store or anything bigger than a Walgreens, and so some times its easier for him to get a digital version of Blood Bleeders 2 than a full 90min round trip.

diamond
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diamond

In that case i’d say you’re better off buying the game from Amazon or Ebay.

MJC
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MJC

Even then I still don’t understand it because you can order it online and then a nice man in a truck delivers it to you a few days later.

keironsmith123
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keironsmith123

I buy digitally because its more convenient for me, this past year i’ve been on the move lots so its been very handy having 95% of my games downloaded as that means less stuff to take with me and that means i have more room for stuff around where ever i am (having 70+ in physical form would take up more space). Another thing is PSN this past year has had some amazing offers so because of that i’ve saved money by going digital with some games.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski
Well, I used to prefer physical releases because it saved a bit on hard drive space, but that doesn’t seem to make much difference now that every game is automatically downloaded to the HDD. Still, I like the satisfaction of recieveing an object in exchange for my money. Plus, I’m sure I have a mild case of hoarding because I like bolstering my collection and never get around to the games I buy. I’m the same way with my Hot Wheels. I literally have tubs full of them in my basement, still in the package. I dunno, it’s satisfying. I… Read more »
SmaMan
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SmaMan

They’ll call them “Certificates of Pre-Order Authenticity.”

SilentPony
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SilentPony

And its a service they provide, so they get to tack on an extra $15 for it.

succ
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succ

luv u thicc daddy 💦

SaburoDaimando
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SaburoDaimando

Hey Jim, do you think you’ll one day have to do a Jimquisition over the Oragutan-in-Chief Donald Trump, especially if he chooses to attack Video Games?

SilentPony
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SilentPony

I think I can answer for him. Nope. There’s nothing to say. Everyone knows exactly what a Jimquistion on Trump would be. It’d just be Jim screaming “FUCK!” for twelve minutes while rubbing his ass on pictures of The Donald.

Jim Sterling
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I reckon that’d be the most watched JimQ ever.

09philj
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09philj

JIM’S A CLICKBAIT COURTING SJW!!!1!!!1

SilentPony
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SilentPony

Maybe a Christmas episode then. Something special for the fans

diamond
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diamond

Hey Jim, I found yet another reason for you to slag Nintendo off next week:http://www.escapistmagazine(DOT)com/news/view/169284-Nintendo-Switch-JoyCon-Holder-Doesnt-Charge

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

Probably, but the salt in the youtube comments would quickly reach lethal levels.

Gurphardt
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Jim’s ass is more dignity than any image of Trump deserves.

Make it Chip’s.

SilentPony
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SilentPony

Oh man, that’d be a cruel punishment for Chip. Have him lick a picture of Trump.

MJC
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MJC

“Everyone knows exactly what a Jimquistion on Trump would be. It’d just be Jim screaming “FUCK!” for twelve minutes while rubbing his ass on pictures of The Donald.”

And that’s exactly why he should do it: everyone would watch the shit out of that.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

There would nothing to say as it would be unlikely to be anything other than same tired statements made by the media anyway.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

I don’t see a reason for him to attack video games. He probably dismisses them, but I don’t think he disapproves of them. Besides, most games are about guns and killing, the only way it can get more American is if the guns shoot Apple Pie, then promptly explode in a burst of red, white, and blue shrapnel and an eagle screech…. actually, that sounds pretty cool 🙂

Stormbringer
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I don’t know. Computers operate on facts. Computer games operate on computers. It’s just a matter of time.

Stormbringer
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Please upvote SaburoDaimando to get this higher to the top. Topple that damn cheese sandwich GIF.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Discuss doesn’t work like that.

Stormbringer
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It does. Choose Sort by Best.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

*upvotes the cheese sandwich*

09philj
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09philj
When it comes to huge quantities of DLC, I always think of The Sims as the franchise that knew what to do. The main game was always a fairly expansive package, with plenty of content. The expansions that came after were always big as well, with new areas, new items, and more STUFF. Even the stuff packs which just contained furniture and/or clothes were generally good value for money. Then there was The Sims 4. The Sims 4 hasn’t just failed because the base game was gutted, with lots of content left out; it failed because EA failed to provide… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Although the one positive 4 has is that it doesn’t have a Katy Perry expansion.

diamond
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diamond

Eh I like Katy Perry’s music.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

And also enjoyed the Sims 3 expansion?

diamond
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diamond

Nah never been into those kinds of games.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

As I didn’t mention her music.

MJC
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MJC

Based on this comment, I have come to the conclusion that you’re deaf and can’t actually hear Katy Perry’s music.

Nobody who can hear would say they like that screeching voice and utterly stupid lyrics.

diamond
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diamond

Based on your post i’ve come to the conclusion that you are a moron who does not understand the concept of “personal taste”.

Just cause you don’t like something does not automatically mean it’s bad, i’m sure that’s a difficult concept for you to grasp.

Plenty of people like her music, deal with it dumbass.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Pot and Kettle get into a fist fight while Frying Pan records it on his phone and posts it on YouTube.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

That would still sound better than Katy Perry.

diamond
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diamond

Yeah not really no.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Me: “Angry Birds was a good movie” You: “Angry Birds is a piece of fucking shit”. Then you repeated something similar to every comment that had originally responded to me, as though you wanted to reinforce the idea that you were right and I was wrong. This was a week ago. There are more examples of this, almost all of them posted in Podquisition and Spin-Off Doctors comment sections. Some in Jimquisition comments as well if you take personal offense at something Jim said, like Open World/Sandbox being almost universally badly implemented so it can be a marketing bullet. As… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I don’t really respond with anger, you can’t really tell someone’s tone based on text.

I was never trying to say “I’m right and you’re wrong” I was simply saying that I personally think Angry Birds movie is a piece of shit, if you like it good for you.

I do not take “personal offense” at things Jim said, the open world thing was just me personally disagreeing with the video.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

You can quite easily a lot of the time tell the tone of what has someone has written and can clearly tell the tone of your messages above.

diamond
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diamond

not really no, not unless you’re psychic.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Explain the tone here then from Podquisition 102.

‘I wasn’t even aware of that, who fucking cares if it’s intentional though? why does it fucking matter?’

When you starting using certain words it immediately conveys tone because there is only one purpose for using them.

If I describe Richard Spencer as a horrible fucking person. You can easily tell the tone of my message.

diamond
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diamond

102 was so long ago that I honestly do not even remember what that was in reference to.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The tone of many of your posts is quite apparent or in the case of many of them the tone you’ve ended up using without that sometimes being the intention.

diamond
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diamond

whatever

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Rationalizations. At the very best, rose-tinted retrospectives on what you did and said now that you are no longer in the heat of the moment. Half a dozen people, if not more, on this site alone say you are being belligerent for the sake of being belligerent. At that point it isn’t misinterpreted tone, it is a conscious decision to use words with negative connotations and inherent aggressiveness. More-so when you go out of your way to disagree with people, or repeat yourself a dozen times with the same point. Despite what you may have heard tone is very easily… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

Not really “rose-tinted” at all, I believe it is misinterpretation of tone, as i’ve seen that happen to Total Biscuit numerous times myself, where people misinterpreted some of his tweets because they couldn’t tell tone based on text, which is what led to him giving control of his Twitter over to someone else.

Having different opinions is not “contrarian”

Don’t know what you’re talking about, I see no “hazing ritual” here.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

One can explain to the dehydrated man in great detail why they should drink water. One cannot force the dehydrated man to drink it.

diamond
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diamond

Or the person only thinks the man is dehydrated but in reality that is simply not the case.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
1.) Twitter has a character limit of 140. This site does not. TB’s written opinions, what few there are, did not suffer the same lack of tonal dissonance that Twitter forced upon him. Your posts often go under this limit, and your tone is still very clear. I explained in 2000 characters why your own opinion of yourself is so heavily biased to the point of being unreliable, yet you still believe that everyone else is the problem by rationalizing away your behavior as a problem we are having and not a thing you need to consider improving. 2.) Having… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I’ve not told people they were “stupid” for disagreeing with me. Just cause a few people want to pick fights over nothing does not make it a hazing ritual, that’s just the nature of the internet.

The guy who used the term “badge of honor” is nothing but a troll anyways, he’s the outlier so what he says means nothing to me.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

“no it isn’t you dumbfuck”
“moron”
“wrong dumbass” (This one is from today)

diamond
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diamond

Those were said in response to insults, not in response to disagreements.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
The first one was said in response to someone saying a game you liked was bad after you went out of your way to disagree with the Podquisition as a whole when they said it was bad. This was back before you condensed your thoughts. You have used “dumbfuck” many times since, very few in response to an insult which could even be remotely construed as directed at you personally. The second is your go-to response for just about anyone you disagree with. I’ve seen it used equally on trolls who are here to rabble-rouse and on people who are… Read more »
Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Diamond do you have a website or Twitter I can follow? Everything you say and do is the absolute perfection of comedy.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

No it’s just one person who buys all of her albums.

diamond
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diamond

wrong dumbass.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

You’re aware of this thing called humour right?

diamond
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diamond

You’re aware of this thing called being a dumbass right?

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Why are you responding to comedic point seriously? The statement I made is utterly outlandish and completely ridiculous and was just an attempt at making a humorous comment. By responding in such a way your contradicting your own statements about comedy being subjective.

diamond
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diamond

I was responding to a comedic point comedically, see what I mean about tone?

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Yeah because it there isn’t any subtext or any subtly at all it’s just you being insulting.

Tobasco da Gama
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Paradox is another good example along these lines. Yeah, they’ve got a whole bucket load of DLC available for any given game, but each DLC release comes with a substantial free patch that also adds new features, which works to make the “DLC sales subsidise continued support” argument feel true for their stuff.

Allan Weallans
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Allan Weallans

I always felt like The Sims’ expansion strategy was targeted at people who only play The Sims, rather than someone like me, but I can’t deny that, for that market, it did very well.

In that respect, The Sims 4’s failure might well have come from EA treating it like “another game” rather than a phenomenon in itself.

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