The Jimquisition: Bethesda’s Paid Mods That Aren’t Paid Mods But Are Paid Mods

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Those paid mods that Bethesda said weren’t paid mods turned out to be paid mods and also worse than paid mods.

The Creation Club has gifted a bounty unto Fallout 4, and it looks like things are little too much like microtransactions and mods got welded together horrifically.

Anton Caligari
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I wonder what Nexusmods have to say about this sorry state of affairs?

CJ Towns
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CJ Towns

Nothing. Nexus Rule #1: “Don’t piss off Bethesda”.

Concubinary Code
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Concubinary Code

So my question that might have been answered somewhere else but I haven’t seen is will the creation club replace mods? Like do they plan on replacing the little mods option on the title screen with creation club?

Galactix100
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Galactix100

It’s an interesting question. I was wondering whether there were any changes made to the game to prevent non creation club mods from being installed, some form of DRM maybe. I’d be surprised if they did this and didn’t prevent non creation club mods from being installed.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

They’ve said it won’t replace mods. Mods are untested and you use them at your own risk. Creation Club content is vetted by Bethesda and they have to guarantee it. Also, no existing mod is supposed to show up on Creation Club, participants have to make new stuff.

KeekingItReal
Member

Didn’t the creation club show existing mod content?

Fallen Prime
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Fallen Prime

Inferior-looking versions of existing mod content, yes.

dyscode
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Just about to get a nexusmod lifetime membership. That’s £50 well spent!

guy smiley
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guy smiley

So, as I cannot find this anywhere, I will ask here. What cut do modders get for each sale? What cut does Bethesda take? How does this system avoid the legal problems of the previous one, vis-a-vis people using other modders work and charging for it?

Jacob
Member

I’ve seen several popular mod creators say that the creator’s club actually takes ALL of the mods available for each game and downloads them onto your drive. You then spend credits to “unlock” said files that are already installed. So you can’t even call it “mini dlc” like they’re trying because it ends up not even being content that you’re downloading post purchase.

Alexey
Member

I wonder what will happen first: Bethesda presenting yet ANOTHER port of Skyrim (Android/IOS?) or The Elder Scrolls VI.

p.s.
Every time Jim says “thriple-A” i cum a bit in my underwear

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Let’s face it, Skyrim will be playable on my fucking toaster before Elder Scrolls 6 is even announced.

Anton
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Anton

Personally, I’m looking forward to playing Skyrim every time I go to my ATM to get cash.

Alexey
Member

Playing Skyrim on an ATM will also make the process of purchasing latest sets of horse armor much more seamless

Charlie
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Charlie

In the year 2020, Skyrim will be playable in your sleep. Now you will never have to stop playing!

Not Lord Atkin
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Not Lord Atkin

Oh the Power Horse Armour is EXQUISITE. It’s a self aware joke that fails to be self aware about what it’s doing. Or maybe it doesn’t. Maybe someone inside the company knows full well that the whole system is bullshit and is now taking the piss.

Anton
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Anton

I thought it was a funny joke till I saw they wanted actual money for it.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

No video games related company that isn’t Devolver Digital should be allowed to make jokes of any kind.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

So, what we got here is basically Son of the Horse Armor, huh?

Денис Фролов
Member

Horsearmorborn?

Imp Emissary
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Imp Emissary

Bethesda, why did you even promise you wouldn’t just be selling the same mods that are for free elsewhere if that was exactly what you were going to do?
Now I hope you don’t put anything “worth” getting on the store so I don’t have to deal with that temptation.
Freaking Sony bullcrap…

Sleepy Will
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Sleepy Will

The two mods in question, I’m led to believe went up recently – so it’s likely that when they locked this launch, they didn’t exist.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I was one of those people who was open-minded about the creation club, but it’s implementation has been so disastrous that I have to agree with Jim 100%, Bethesda really screwed the pooch on this one, and they really are just as insane as Konami in some respects, denying a developer a bonus just because their game didn’t hit some magic number on Metacritic does sound like a very Konami-esque thing to do.

Gordo
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Gordo

I’m just waiting for that moment when one of the ‘essential’ mods goes behind a paywall. Imagine having to buy SkyUI or SKSE or whatever… *Shudder*

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

OH MY JESUS WE GET IT! THEY’RE PAID MODS! YOU WERE RIGHT! GOD DAMN IT WE GET IT ALREADY!

Jiryn
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Jiryn

You’re right, it’s both
It’s microtransactions because you have to buy the credits
It’s paid mods because you have to use the microtransactions to buy the mods to use in game.

Wonderful way to not only double down on the bullshit practices Bethesda, but also lose much of the good faith you’ve built up over the years.

Денис Фролов
Member

Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man’s world

GreenGarden
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GreenGarden

Also how much of this is Bethesda and much of this is their parent company ZeniMax Media doing?

Chris
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Why do people rush to Bethesda’s defense with shit like this? They proudly announced this at E3, and it’s not even the first time they’ve tried this scheme. What possible evidence do you have that this is something they don’t want to do and are being forced to? Is it anything more than ‘but I like Fallout….’ Because that attitude is exactly why devs and publishers are able to do shitty things and no one holds them to account, ‘well they must not really have wanted to add that shitty DRM to a game, some big evil company made them… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100

At what point does Greene actually defend Bethesda? There’s a difference between an irrational defence and attempting to understand reality. Go back and read the rest of Greene’s comments.

Chris
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I did read it, and this is the exact same thing that happens every time Bethesda does something anti-consumer. People are quick to jump down the throats of EA or Ubisoft, but because they like Bethesda they quickly equivocate, ‘oh….is it really them? Is it maybe their parent company?’ This despite there never having been any indication that ZeniMax is influencing them in any way. Even Jim claims that Bethesda are better than the other publishers in the video, despite the fact that they are leading the charge in preventing pre-release reviews to cover for their often broken and rushed… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100
So you didn’t read Greene’s other comments like I suggested. If you read the first comment they posted they clearly callout Bethesda’s actions as bollocks. The difference between EA or Ubisoft and Bethesda is that neither or the former two are subsidiaries of another corporation whereas Bethesda is. As such it is perfectly fair and reasonable to question who makes these decisions, to do so does not absolve Bethesda of anything. Furthermore there are certain aspects in which Bethesda is better than its contemporaries. As Jim notes Bethesda, as a publisher at least, seem to offer greater freedom to developers… Read more »
GreenGarden
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GreenGarden

… What?

RomaDoma
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RomaDoma

He wasn’t really defending Bethesda, just asking a perfectly valid question.

GreenGarden
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GreenGarden

Also I hate to ask, but how bad are the Skyrim mods in that Club?

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

mudcrab armor mod is shown in the video.

GreenGarden
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GreenGarden

Okay not the thing I should be focusing on but what is the green web thing on the desk?

Also, I do admit I’m not against paid mods there are some modders because the sheer work some do to make great new content (like those full on new missions, maps etc), I’d like to give them some reward for it, directly to the modder, from people who have justified they deserve it, not to Bethesda with the credit BS.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

That’s a Boglin.

Problem is with all the restrictions in place, it does not look like modders will be getting paid very well.

guy smiley
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guy smiley

So donate on Nexus then.

Appretaur
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Appretaur
Sounds like Bethesda’s being out of touch and harmful to both itself and its consumers in ways that only Nintendo can surpass. I was going to bring up how this bonus episode doesn’t use that lower-pitched version of the intro song that was used the last time there was a bonus ep, but Jim tweeted a comment he made in the YouTube vid’s comment section that “nobody seemed to dig it.” Well, okay I guess… (Though how strange is it as a coincidence that the last time there was a bonus JQ it was about Take Two treating mods in… Read more »
Bobby Dillon
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Bobby Dillon

Jimstitution, I have waited ever so patiently for the Loose Boys. I’ve even been listening to old episodes of Podtoid to get in the spirit. It was kinda surreal listening to you talk to Jonathan and Conrad about going to the Escapist Expo and meeting Gavin for the first time. It’s been great fun.

It pains me to say this, it truly does – but I have to know…

Loose Boys?

When’s Loose Boys?

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I’m hoping for Podquisition tomorrow that someone like say Wardrox from Podcastle steps in to fill Gavin’s absence, I DMed Wardrox on Twitter and he said that he would definitely be up for Podquisition.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

I…. I.. I have nothing..
I just want to use a face palm gif.. or a double face palm gif…

Deena
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Deena

You know… despite everything, I really didn’t think they’d go through with it. What a disappointment.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Surely you didn’t think that the very obvious fan backlash to the announcement would dissuade a AAA publisher from doing something stupid and shite.

Chris
Member

I wonder if Bethesda had a bunch of fans who declared the complaints ‘not a big deal’ or defended the company when people like Jim talked about it and told him to shut up. And I wonder if that gave them cover not to give a shit about the backlash because they knew we’d stop talking about it eventually and declare it’s no longer worth talking about.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

There’s no need for fan cover, they were always gonna do it regardless of response. The only way that this and other shite practices such as microtransactions, for example, will end is if they stop making any money at all, ranting on the internet and preaching to the converted won’t solve anything.

Also I never said these issues shouldn’t be covered I said there’s a time and a place. What part of that is confusing you?

Chris
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The part where, as bad as this is, this is actually nothing new and is the exact same kind of micro-transactions in single player games you were saying shouldn’t be covered earlier in the week. While meanwhile what PUBG is doing is new in that it’s expanding the free 2 play exploitative gambling economy that is far more destructive to its core audience (the so called ‘whales’ whose compulsive behavior is being preyed on) into games that aren’t even finished yet and when a company had explicitly promised not to do it. This is shitty, but its par for the… Read more »
Benj
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Benj

Do the creators get any of the money from these paid mods.

Because I not completely against paid mods as a concept but I’d like to be paying the people who did all the fucking work.

pat
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pat

agreed not against modders getting paid but i am 100% against bethesda getting any sort of fucking cut

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

SPEAKING OF SKIN DLC:
Warriors All-Stars is awlright. Only William speaks English though, because Tecmo-Koei are allergic to localizing.

I have no thoughts on the Creation Club. Skyrim was inferior to Oblivion and Morrowind despite eating up a lot of my time, Fallout 4 was a genocidal mistake with like one good idea (being progressive in terms of relationships) surrounded by insults to my intelligence and a lazy dialog system.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I agree with Jim on Fallout 4, I thought it was a damn good game.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

You are on record as liking Ubisoft open worlds, the very definition of “content without substance”.
I’m not at all surprised you liked a game made up almost entirely of identical RNG-created quests and a poor man’s Minecraft, a shallow story where the solution to violence is more violence leading up to actual genocide, unnecessary action set-pieces, and a heavy focus on shooting over everything else the series was known for.

I spent several minutes arguing with myself whether to even write this response. I don’t want to talk to you, and I don’t care about your opinions any more.

Dj Ziio
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Dj Ziio
I was very disappointed in Fallout 4 and Skyrim as well. I never finished Skyrim because halfway thru I could kill a dragon with a single arrow shot from stealth (with no mods). Fallout has always been my favorite IP, I spent hundreds of hours on the first 2 game (going back that may have just been the poor turn based system) and enjoyed most of Fallout 3. New Vegas was great and I played it thru a few times. As for 4, once I reached the ending I quickly realized there was zero reason to replay, like most games… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Jim’s actually explained his viewpoints on it though.

Anton
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Anton

This is seriously depressing. Not even because of the immediate shittiness of the situation, but because I will not get excited for a Bethesda-made game again. It’s gonna get dragged down by shit like this, and I’m not going anywhere near it. Seriously sad, because 360-era Bethesda games were some of my most favorite experiences in gaming.

Oh well, I’ll always have New Vegas.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I’ll still get their games if they look interesting, but now i’m seriously considering whether I should start buying their new games used now.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

So it’s microtransactions crossed with microsoft points crossed with paid mods? That’s a fucking outstanding megazord of bollocks.

pat
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pat

and i wonder what is the cut for modders because you know bethesda is probably taking a bigger cut

HelixShade
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HelixShade

Allegedly, the Modders who make these don’t even get 25% of the funds for each mod purchased. Given that, I think we’d be lucky if they got even a 10% cut.

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