The Jimquisition: Bethesda’s Paid Mods That Aren’t Paid Mods But Are Paid Mods

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Those paid mods that Bethesda said weren’t paid mods turned out to be paid mods and also worse than paid mods.

The Creation Club has gifted a bounty unto Fallout 4, and it looks like things are little too much like microtransactions and mods got welded together horrifically.

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josh oji
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josh oji
Hoo boy. If this was just on disk paid mods, that would be bad, but this is truly special. This way, they get the modders on the way in with not giving them credit, the consumers on the way out with on disk paid mods, and then, for the cherry/bowtie/gretzski hat trick, every time a new one of these makes it to the store, its crowding you out of more of your hd space. 4 things to consider: 1: SDDs only have a limited amount of space and a limited amount of DWPD(drive writes per day. this is minor compared… Read more »
F..
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F..

Now we wait for the first mod that fixes the bugs from one of bethesda’s not-paid mods.

Oliver Mendes
Member

I just realized… the paid mods are all in the update, they’re only activated once they’re paid for… So they’re *On-Disk* Microtransacted Paid Mods.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

How mad would they be if someone made a mod to unlock them.

GlacierGal7
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GlacierGal7

The Creation Club content (textures and meshes) downloads onto your hard drive even without purchasing them. What you are paying for is the file that makes them work in game. So basically Bethesda created on-disc DLC for a downloadable game.

There is no way to opt out.

Amy
Member

To me what is weird is they needed to really dazzle to sell people on this idea. The ‘mini dlc’ needed to be mind blowing to shut up the critics, and instead they went with such limp offerings. Oh Bethesda, you really Ubisoft’d it.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

I loved the idea. Outsourced development, using the talents of the best modders to make new content, and paying them for it. But you’re right, they needed to go big, or at least, have some big offerings as well as the small stuff. Something like Forgotten City, or a fully voiced companion.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

The problem is the most indepth and impressive mods either change core elements of the game mechanically or story-wise to an extent that requires extensive QA to avoid them having at least one multi-pronged clusterbug,

or are porn. (or both, and “misuse” another franchise Bethesda don’t have the license to sell as well)

Thus the only mods they could have EVER launched this with were gonna be cosmetic and weak tea.

Richard Fleming
Member

I defended the Creation Club when it was announced, and I stand by that defense. I do not regret saying “If they execute on this correctly, if they actually do what they say they will do, then this is a net positive for everyone.”

*sigh*

They didn’t. I don’t retract my words, but I certainly can’t defend them now.

Mathew Horula
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Mathew Horula

As of now, you can currently purchase Creation Club credits in excess of what the Creation Club store actually has to sell you back! Purdy sweet backpack though. #AAADumpsterFire

Anton Caligari
Member

I wonder what Nexusmods have to say about this sorry state of affairs?

CJ Towns
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CJ Towns

Nothing. Nexus Rule #1: “Don’t piss off Bethesda”.

Concubinary Code
Member

So my question that might have been answered somewhere else but I haven’t seen is will the creation club replace mods? Like do they plan on replacing the little mods option on the title screen with creation club?

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

They’ve said it won’t replace mods. Mods are untested and you use them at your own risk. Creation Club content is vetted by Bethesda and they have to guarantee it. Also, no existing mod is supposed to show up on Creation Club, participants have to make new stuff.

KeekingItReal
Member

Didn’t the creation club show existing mod content?

Fallen Prime
Member
Fallen Prime

Inferior-looking versions of existing mod content, yes.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100

It’s an interesting question. I was wondering whether there were any changes made to the game to prevent non creation club mods from being installed, some form of DRM maybe. I’d be surprised if they did this and didn’t prevent non creation club mods from being installed.

dyscode
Member

Just about to get a nexusmod lifetime membership. That’s £50 well spent!

guy smiley
Member
guy smiley

So, as I cannot find this anywhere, I will ask here. What cut do modders get for each sale? What cut does Bethesda take? How does this system avoid the legal problems of the previous one, vis-a-vis people using other modders work and charging for it?

Jacob
Member

I’ve seen several popular mod creators say that the creator’s club actually takes ALL of the mods available for each game and downloads them onto your drive. You then spend credits to “unlock” said files that are already installed. So you can’t even call it “mini dlc” like they’re trying because it ends up not even being content that you’re downloading post purchase.

Alexey
Member

I wonder what will happen first: Bethesda presenting yet ANOTHER port of Skyrim (Android/IOS?) or The Elder Scrolls VI.

p.s.
Every time Jim says “thriple-A” i cum a bit in my underwear

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Let’s face it, Skyrim will be playable on my fucking toaster before Elder Scrolls 6 is even announced.

Charlie
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Charlie

In the year 2020, Skyrim will be playable in your sleep. Now you will never have to stop playing!

Anton
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Anton

Personally, I’m looking forward to playing Skyrim every time I go to my ATM to get cash.

Alexey
Member

Playing Skyrim on an ATM will also make the process of purchasing latest sets of horse armor much more seamless

Not Lord Atkin
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Not Lord Atkin

Oh the Power Horse Armour is EXQUISITE. It’s a self aware joke that fails to be self aware about what it’s doing. Or maybe it doesn’t. Maybe someone inside the company knows full well that the whole system is bullshit and is now taking the piss.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100

No video games related company that isn’t Devolver Digital should be allowed to make jokes of any kind.

Anton
Member
Anton

I thought it was a funny joke till I saw they wanted actual money for it.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

So, what we got here is basically Son of the Horse Armor, huh?

Денис Фролов
Member

Horsearmorborn?

Imp Emissary
Member

Bethesda, why did you even promise you wouldn’t just be selling the same mods that are for free elsewhere if that was exactly what you were going to do?
Now I hope you don’t put anything “worth” getting on the store so I don’t have to deal with that temptation.
Freaking Sony bullcrap…

Sleepy Will
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Sleepy Will

The two mods in question, I’m led to believe went up recently – so it’s likely that when they locked this launch, they didn’t exist.

machine_dirty
Member

I was one of those people who was open-minded about the creation club, but it’s implementation has been so disastrous that I have to agree with Jim 100%, Bethesda really screwed the pooch on this one, and they really are just as insane as Konami in some respects, denying a developer a bonus just because their game didn’t hit some magic number on Metacritic does sound like a very Konami-esque thing to do.

Gordo
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Gordo

I’m just waiting for that moment when one of the ‘essential’ mods goes behind a paywall. Imagine having to buy SkyUI or SKSE or whatever… *Shudder*

Sperium3000
Member

OH MY JESUS WE GET IT! THEY’RE PAID MODS! YOU WERE RIGHT! GOD DAMN IT WE GET IT ALREADY!

Jiryn
Member
Jiryn

You’re right, it’s both
It’s microtransactions because you have to buy the credits
It’s paid mods because you have to use the microtransactions to buy the mods to use in game.

Wonderful way to not only double down on the bullshit practices Bethesda, but also lose much of the good faith you’ve built up over the years.

Денис Фролов
Member

Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man’s world

Greene Scott
Member
Greene Scott

Also how much of this is Bethesda and much of this is their parent company ZeniMax Media doing?

Chris
Member
Why do people rush to Bethesda’s defense with shit like this? They proudly announced this at E3, and it’s not even the first time they’ve tried this scheme. What possible evidence do you have that this is something they don’t want to do and are being forced to? Is it anything more than ‘but I like Fallout….’ Because that attitude is exactly why devs and publishers are able to do shitty things and no one holds them to account, ‘well they must not really have wanted to add that shitty DRM to a game, some big evil company made them… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100

At what point does Greene actually defend Bethesda? There’s a difference between an irrational defence and attempting to understand reality. Go back and read the rest of Greene’s comments.

Chris
Member
I did read it, and this is the exact same thing that happens every time Bethesda does something anti-consumer. People are quick to jump down the throats of EA or Ubisoft, but because they like Bethesda they quickly equivocate, ‘oh….is it really them? Is it maybe their parent company?’ This despite there never having been any indication that ZeniMax is influencing them in any way. Even Jim claims that Bethesda are better than the other publishers in the video, despite the fact that they are leading the charge in preventing pre-release reviews to cover for their often broken and rushed… Read more »
RomaDoma
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RomaDoma

He wasn’t really defending Bethesda, just asking a perfectly valid question.

Greene Scott
Member
Greene Scott

… What?

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100
So you didn’t read Greene’s other comments like I suggested. If you read the first comment they posted they clearly callout Bethesda’s actions as bollocks. The difference between EA or Ubisoft and Bethesda is that neither or the former two are subsidiaries of another corporation whereas Bethesda is. As such it is perfectly fair and reasonable to question who makes these decisions, to do so does not absolve Bethesda of anything. Furthermore there are certain aspects in which Bethesda is better than its contemporaries. As Jim notes Bethesda, as a publisher at least, seem to offer greater freedom to developers… Read more »
Greene Scott
Member
Greene Scott

Also I hate to ask, but how bad are the Skyrim mods in that Club?

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

mudcrab armor mod is shown in the video.

Greene Scott
Member
Greene Scott

Okay not the thing I should be focusing on but what is the green web thing on the desk?

Also, I do admit I’m not against paid mods there are some modders because the sheer work some do to make great new content (like those full on new missions, maps etc), I’d like to give them some reward for it, directly to the modder, from people who have justified they deserve it, not to Bethesda with the credit BS.

guy smiley
Member
guy smiley

So donate on Nexus then.

machine_dirty
Member

That’s a Boglin.

Problem is with all the restrictions in place, it does not look like modders will be getting paid very well.

Appretaur
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Appretaur
Sounds like Bethesda’s being out of touch and harmful to both itself and its consumers in ways that only Nintendo can surpass. I was going to bring up how this bonus episode doesn’t use that lower-pitched version of the intro song that was used the last time there was a bonus ep, but Jim tweeted a comment he made in the YouTube vid’s comment section that “nobody seemed to dig it.” Well, okay I guess… (Though how strange is it as a coincidence that the last time there was a bonus JQ it was about Take Two treating mods in… Read more »
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