The Jimquisition: Bullshitstorm

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Oh Gearbox, will you ever learn?

So the great minds running the Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition scene decided to compound its ludicrous MSRP by partnering with G2A. Yes that G2A, the notoriously scummy one that profits from fraud.

How did that turn out, and what does it say of this industry that it happened in the first place? Let’s find out together, you POG freaks!

Erik Crossley
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Erik Crossley

“Nigel Farage: the human personification of that feeling you get when you remember you swallow spiders in your sleep” oh mate, that is pure gold. It’s going to keep me going for the next few years. Thank God for you!

Exley97
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Exley97

I’m astounded how Gearbox continually denies responsibility for these types of things and seemingly evades any serious, brand-damaging blowback on a large scale. I just don’t understand how people keep giving Pitchford and Company the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Joe
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Joe

I can’t say I hate this game. It was a different sort of fun, but is this review essentially just a G2A rant? Because if that is the case, I can agree.

Clark O'Brien
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Clark O'Brien

Are Gearbox in a bit of financial trouble due to the Battleborn fiasco? How much money on a re-release of the first Borderlands in the next year or two?

Jack Spence
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Jack Spence

A rosy cheeked Victorian era public schoolboy with his face pressed up against a sweet shop window has let himself go

jedimastercosmin
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jedimastercosmin

I’m sorry, but I refuse to believe that a giant company like Gearbox would not be educated on the dealings of a potential business partner. Even my small brain gets offended when I try to think that.

It’s possible that this was a marketing strategy to score some points in the eyes of the public.

To be honest, I think Totalbiscuit was too nice to them. They should have just told them to do their own research and to give him a call when they weren’t acting like idiots.

Eon264
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Eon264

Wouldn’t be surprised if the thought crossed his mind, but he ultimately decided that nailing G2A was more important than making gearbox look stupid. Personally I agree with him, gearbox has done almost nothing /but/ look stupid lately. There will be more than enough opportunities to point that out later but there are precious few chances to actually stick it to G2A like this.

Jonathan Allbritten
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How exactly is anything wrong with G2A if all they do is let people resell keys…..they’re just a channel. That’s like holding steam responsible for the existence of Digital Homicide and their practices…..Why would you?

Artemiy
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Artemiy

That’s like holding steam responsible for the existence of Digital Homicide and their practices

Ding-diling-diling! That’s what Jim has been doing! For a while now! He’s been constantly saying how much Steam needs to step up their game and eliminate all the shit-quackers from their storefront!

Jonathan Allbritten
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Well, more specifically, he holds them responsible for policing their store front but he doesn’t place as directly responsible for what Digital Homicide did. However, he seems to do so for G2A.

I get that Steams situation is more about negligence and G2A is more turning a blind eye on purpose, but I don’t see the situations as that different as I don’t consider a distributor directly responsible for the goods they put up.

Administrating the storefront and actually taking an active roll in the making of the goods and where they come from are two separate things.

RipTide
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You are correct, G2A has done nothing explicitly illegal and so can not be punished by the legal system, but they have been tea bagging that fine line for a while now. Just because what they do isn’t technically illegal doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong that they do it, or that they shouldn’t be criticized for doing it. A seller has a moral, if not a legal, responsibility to ensure the goods they are selling are working and legal. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it a good thing to do.

Jonathan Allbritten
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I didn’t argue it was a “good” thing to do. They are certain Amy scumbags By all means, decry them. I just feel like a lot of people have a tendency to apply moral and ethical expectations in one situation and pull a 180 in another so I say people need consistency before they have the right to decry them. I also don’t know if I consider it a moral obligation. It certainly expected and desired, but I don’t tend to place moral expectations on people I don’t know. As far as I’m concerned, their legal obligations are the only… Read more »
Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Knowingly selling stolen goods is a crime.

Jonathan Allbritten
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But you can’t prove that. I can’t prove that. Hell, if someone sells me a cheap car and I’m a car dealer and resell it? It’s not my job to know where the car came from. Plausibl deniability. Technically, diamonds are funded by the slave trade, human abuse, etc… that’s all illegal in most countries. We technically have trade laws decrying doing business with those types….we still do it. We still allow those goods distributions and being sold in the country. All I see here, is an easy target for corruption the free market due to the fact that it… Read more »
Eon264
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Eon264
Yes… we can prove that. Or rather, we can prove that they know they sell stolen keys, not that they know which ones are stolen when they sell them which would be overtly illegal. You can go ahead and look it up, there are tons of articles discussing how G2A’s sold hundreds of thousands of dollars in illicit keys and offered no restitution to the people they’re effectively stealing from. There are ways they could combat the sale of stolen keys but they do none of them, instead double-dipping on their consumer base with what could almost be described as… Read more »
Jonathan Allbritten
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That just goes back to my point that your asking a distribution channel to be held responsible for those that use it. Technically, G2A itself isn’t doing anything illegal. Encouraging it? Sure. But you can’t hold them accountable and you can’t force them to do anything about it. And I was talking about the laws against Blood Diamonds; I did say it was illegal. Doesn’t stop it from happening or being encouraged. And while some people go out of their way to be aware and whatnot, many do not. Just as many people don’t question the hiring practicses of Walmart,… Read more »
Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Technically G2A is doing something illegal. Knowingly selling stolen goods is a crime. I said that before.

Jonathan Allbritten
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But it’s not illegal because you then have to prove they explicitly know before hand.

Your arguing a technicality that they’re clearly abusing with loopholes to get around

They wouldn’t still be operating if they were blatantly illegal.

Daniel Jensen
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Daniel Jensen

They CAN find out if the goods were stolen. Gearbox even spelled out HOW they can ensure that keys aren’t stolen.

They still said no. That’s deliberate negligence for the sake of profit no matter how you look at it.

And the reason they’re still operating is because they’re operating in Hong Kong, where the authorities don’t give a single flying fuck about foreign copyrights or laws.

Jonathan Allbritten
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That’s just highlighting my point. They can get away with it cause they chose not to enforce anything which makes them non-complicent even if they’re encouraging it through active non action and they’re operating legal loopholes.

Which is why I said: it’s not illegal. You can’t actually call it legal.

But that moves away from my original point of: why the strong reaction if people encourage such business practices all the time through normal
consumer behavior?

G2A isn’t some special sort of scum. Just a mildly well known one in certain circles

Daniel Jensen
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Daniel Jensen
Deliberate negligence is the same as being complicate, as far as I’m concerned, especially when they directly benefit from turning a blind eye. Imagine a car dealer claiming they had no idea they were selling stolen cars, when there’s a perfectly good registration system they can use to ensure the person selling the car actually owns it. Ignoring an INCREDIBLY easy way to combat fraud and then declaring it’s okay to benefit from fraud, because ‘technically’ you have nothing to do with it, is taking the piss. I mean, hell, the funny thing is that G2A CAN easily check keys… Read more »
Jonathan Allbritten
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See, in your case, my “fallacious” argument is fallacious cause you fall into a minor category of people that actually ARE consistent. Thus the point would be fallacious when applied to you. Most people aren’t like that. Most people are willful hypocrites that have some vague sense of the Blood Diamon trade but don’t care about that but will speak up against G2A. They’ll shop at that sleazy care salesman without a second though and benefit as long as it’s not thrown in their face and have a crowd of people pushing them to take a stance or if it’s… Read more »
Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

I think eventually this issue will go to court and eventually somebody is going to face repercussions for g2a. Just because that hasn’t happened yet doesn’t make their actions legal. That’s like saying murdering people isn’t technically illegal if you don’t get caught.

Jonathan Allbritten
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To charge someone of murder you have to prove it was pre meditated action. Otherwise you have Man slaughter or passion crime.

It’s not nearly as black and white as you make it sound and I highly doubt that someone will be able to catch them with their pants down

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Okay cool. You could have just started by saying you have no idea how law works. Thrn we wouldn’t have argued.

Jonathan Allbritten
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You either have no idea how the legal system works. Or my point went way above your head. Either way, thanks for the ignorant insult that just proved your own ineptitude

Michael Wolfe
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Bulletstorm… A game I rather enjoy. I picked it up on PC back in the GFWL era. I’m one of those lucky sods what never had an issue with GFWL, especially since I never used it for online play. Couldn’t play it without a simple mod to disable GFWL after it shut down. Still the original hasn’t had GFWL patched out; it will not run on PC w/o an external mod and was still being sold needing that mod last I checked. I bought it on sale for I think around $15. I’m fairly certain it was a 66% or… Read more »
NoQuarter
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NoQuarter

I’ve never bought anything on G2A, but I regularly get games from Green Man Gaming. Am I right to believe that GTG is legit?

Sean Sky
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Sean Sky

I’ve bought a few things from GMG and had good experiences. They’re legit.

Michael Wolfe
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GMG is legit.
As is Chronos(dot)gg.

NoQuarter
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NoQuarter

Thanks.

Michael Wolfe
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So is GOG, and Origin.
Not Uplay though. Avoid. 😉

Gorantharon
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GoG is awesome. You should buy there if you can.

Michael Horton
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Replaced a lot of my old gaming library with digital versions (that will work on 10) thanks to GoG.

Polishfury5000
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Soooooo yeah, there’s no way Gearbox’s executives could have never heard G2A’s shady as hell practices. I refuse to believe a major, for-realsies company would go into any partnership without extensive background checks first. A simple Google would bring up tons of reasons why G2A would be P.R. nightmare of a publisher.

Gearbox is either incompetent or feigning ignorance to save face. With the way they’re handling Bulletstorm, incompetent is looking the most likely.

Siddartha 85
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Siddartha 85

The fact Duke Nukem was supposed to draw people in says so, so much.

SmaMan
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SmaMan

Oh wow… want some good “throwing them under the bus-manship?” Check out Randy Pitchford’s Twitter right now:

“I didn’t even know g2a existed before last week. Pub group is running
that business. I expect them to learn. They are new at this. Thanks!”

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

To be fair Pitchford either comes across either arrogant and unwilling to admit to culpability of things Gearbox have previously done or is a complete and utter idiot. Look up Jim’s post about the AMA Pitchford hosted which unsurprisingly backfired.

Bilateralrope
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Bilateralrope

How does Gearbox prepare a deal with someone whose *existence* is unknown to their CEO ?

Anthony Pace
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That man is a gold mine for obvious bullshit.

Appretaur
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Appretaur

0_0; That cannot be true. A man in his position literally had not heard the name “G2A” throughout the past several years straight…!?

Miles Saintborough
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Miles Saintborough

It’s Randy being Randy. He’ll still try to convince you that Alien: Colonial Marines is a good game.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I think it is a good game.

Drake Warnock
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Drake Warnock

Being a good game and liking a game are two different things.
That said I haven’t played it so I can’t really judge, just pointing this out is all.

La Chica Incognita
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La Chica Incognita

When was the last time Duke Nukem was relevant? I think Duke Nukem Forever has basically killed his status as a gaming icon and nothing has been done to fix that.

This is also from a girl who grew up playing Duke Nukem 3D AND the original side scrolling Duke Nukem games so was as “iconic” a video game character for PC gaming to me as one can get.

Well him and Horny from Dungeon Keeper. But that was because I was obsessed with Dungeon Keeper.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I personally liked Duke Nukem Forever, and people forget while it did not do well critically, the game actually did sell fairly well.

Drake Warnock
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Drake Warnock

Honestly Forever was really solid. There was just so much that was frustratingly holding it back. The ego boost mechanic was especially great.

Anthony Pace
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Duke’s not been relevant for a looooong time. I always felt most of the attention DNF got was based around surprise that the game actually got released.

SmaMan
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SmaMan

They rereleased Duke3D last year with a new pack of levels, featuring new voice work from John St. John, for the game’s 20th anniversary or something.

Drake Warnock
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Drake Warnock

Oh shit I forgot about that, I still need to pick that up.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Okay, I’m officially done with Gearbox. I mean, they’re not putting out relevant games anymore, but even if they did they’re so radically anti consumer I don’t want to put up with that shit.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Compared with the rest of the AAA industry, there is nothing radical in their anti-consumerism.

Drake Warnock
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Drake Warnock

They aren’t so much radically anti-consumer as they are bad at their jobs. Plus they have Randy “I-Couldn’t-Tell-the-Truth-to-Save-My-Life” Pitchford as their boss, so it can’t be easy to get anything done.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

They are putting out relevant games and they are not “radically” anti-consumer.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander
Gearbox has put out 3 games that are worth my time in the last decade, all borderlands. I’m not gonna count the presequal as really a gearbox game as it was primarily developed by 2k Australia, so the last gearbox game worth a damn was borderlands 2 released 5 years ago. Other than that they have released a upgrade of a game I already bought, that they didn’t originally develop (bulletstorm), a pretty good multiplayer game with a dead user base 2 weeks in, and an insult to one of the greatest shooters of all time. I stand by ‘no… Read more »
Benj
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Benj

Someday I’m going to accidentally call someone a skeleton warrior when I mean to call them a [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫] and I’m going to be really embarassed about it.

Chris
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Yeah, a skeleton warrior is a way worse insult.

Jiryn
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Jiryn
First, let’s not forget that the touted “Duke Nukem” is a pre-order bonus for Bulletstorm, and does not come with the base game if you didn’t pre-order it. His inclusion will cost you $5 more if your interested in buying it…. or comes packaged with the base game for $64.99 total. Even more galling is the 7th gen original release is in the store NEXT to the remaster, priced at $9.99.. I honestly love the game and have it on the 360.. but this.. this is horrid marketing on every level. Are all the DLC levels at least included with… Read more »
Sequoiasaur
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Sequoiasaur

The only thing bothering me about today’s episode is the ringtone Jim used. I recognize it, but cannot place it.

Miles Saintborough
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Miles Saintborough

It’s the same as his show’s opening theme

Mr Jemandem
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Mr Jemandem
I usaly buy most AAA games on G2A, most resellers i buy from give me a picture of the code from a game that is released in east europe or gift it via steam to me. I dont feel guilty for that at all. I think G2A brings in some fresh air so that the big Publishers need to change ther business strategies.. For Indie games that is quite different for me i buy them direktly via stam or greenman or what ever… 10 to 20 € dont rely bother me that much. In the EU ther is a law… Read more »
guy smiley
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guy smiley

The Developers of Factorio detailed their experiences with this issue in one of their manifestos. That I won’t link because they’ve released one every friday for many years now, and I forget which it was. However, the upshot was one statement: “Just pirate it. Pirating it literally hurts us less.” Essentially, for every sale made (then subsequently cancelled) off a stolen credit card, they were charged US $20. Your buying not only supports resellers, fraud, etc, you are literally costing the developer money. You do them no good at all.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

US$20 for a single chargeback? Wow.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Just pirate. Pirating a game is just as unethical as buying on G2A, but you don’t have to worry about literally supporting credit card thieves.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

Pirating is a lot more complicated compared to just buying the game though,

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Can’t have it all. Easy, cheap, honest, right now. Something has to go usually.

kaptinscuzgob
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kaptinscuzgob

nigel farage shouldve died in that plane crash

Gennadios
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Gennadios

None of you mainstream journalists understand the meta brilliance of it all.

The original Bulletstorm partnered with Microsoft to ship on GWFL, a service that you had to actively fight, and hack DLCs of, to actually get a fucking game running (I’m not kidding, average tinkering to launch the game, with proper gamepad support, and access to your own fucking saves was in the 2 hour range per game)

The Remaster partners with G2A, where every purchase is a gamble with having your credit card details stolen. (No first hand experience here, though.)

It’s all just part of the Bulletstorm experience!

Anton Caligari
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Quite a fun little game Bulletstorm (back in the day). One of the few games that i played where you could kick someone – not enough kicking in games these days.

Appretaur
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Appretaur

So should all the Gearbox offenses Jim describes in this video be categorized as Gearbox Moves? Some of them are outright romine in their nature and way of thinking, especially the bit about partnering with G2A – one of the most rightfully and widely reviled corporate entities that has hurt seemingly everyone in its industry.

Nobody's Fanboy
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Nobody's Fanboy

I loved Bulletstorm the first time by…not getting that sucked in or laughing that hard at an FPS since the days when the genre was ruled by fast-paced deathmatchers rather than barely-interactive action movies. It’s a shame to find out it didn’t even break even, and I imagine with the controversy it’s not going to do any better this time.

As a side note…I can only imagine how many takes it took to keep the pog balanced on the tip like that.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

Not all FPS games are “barely interactive action films”.

Nobody's Fanboy
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Nobody's Fanboy

I didn’t say they were. I said the genre was ruled by them.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I dunno about that, aside from COD and Battlefield I can’t think of that many FPS games that fall into that template.

DJ OakeyDoakey
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Can Pog Fucker have his own show?

Anthony Pace
Member

I’d love Jim to do a sketch show with all of his characters. Pog Fucker, Jimsaw, Rory Fingers, Steam Cleaner and the Cornflakes Homunculus could all turn up. I’d watch that shit.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

And they’ll all flog Chip. SHUT UP CHIP!

Thanatos
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Thanatos

Gearbox knew what they were doing, they hoped no one would notice, and they underestimated just how pwned they would get by TotalBiscuit.

“Yeah, well prove it! Prove that they’re corr-oh, you CAN prove it? Uhhhhhhhhhhhh”

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