The Jimquisition: Bullshitstorm

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Oh Gearbox, will you ever learn?

So the great minds running the Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition scene decided to compound its ludicrous MSRP by partnering with G2A. Yes that G2A, the notoriously scummy one that profits from fraud.

How did that turn out, and what does it say of this industry that it happened in the first place? Let’s find out together, you POG freaks!

  • Otherhand

    You’re being way too nice to them to give the benefit of the doubt to a single decision-maker at Gearbox. They definitely knew, and what’s more they thought it was going to earn them badboy cred. They imagined it would be like the Hotline Miami creator saying he was cool with piracy, only times a thousand.

    • Muddy Scarecrow

      Well even then that situation was very specific. Since he was talking about pirating Hotline Miami 2 in Australia if it ended up being banned there.

      • Otherhand

        Yeah. (That was for HM2, by the way – he was also piracy-friendly when it came to HM1 back in 2012, and that wasn’t about problems in one country. He extended tech support even to players who got the game for free via torrents.) But a few indie devs have received a lot of goodwill for being accepting of piracy and just saying it’d be nice if you buy the game later, or in the case of the Super Meat Boy developer for saying DRM is worse for them than piracy. I don’t know if it translates into money or just Good Guy Greg points, but it’s a thing.

        Plus if what some people have said is true, the way you get G2A to actually enforce its anti-fraud measures with diligence is to be in bed with them. So perhaps Gearbox was having its cake and eating it here.

    • darksteel6

      When you live in your own bubble it’s easy to not know things that may seem obvious to you.

      • Otherhand

        If you live in a bubble of games development, you definitely know about all the commercial threats to your livelihood. You also don’t wake up one morning and discover you’re in a deal with G2A. Each side hires lawyers, you check out your prospective new partners, and only when you’re sure do you pull the trigger.

        • Anton

          For some reason Randy Pitchford seems like the kind of guy who would represent himself legally.

          • Otherhand

            I love the fact that he’s an ex-magician.

          • Anton

            Judging by ACM, the magic never stopped XD

        • Andrzej Sugier

          +1 to that, there is no way they didn’t know about G2As opinion. They just didn’t care about it, and all this circus is just a PR spin on being called out for their indifrence.

  • SilentPony
  • SilentPony

    Real talk though. After all the shit they pulled with Aliens: Colonial Marines, the false advertisements, the fake demos, the downgrades, the funneling money into Borderlands 2, glitches and complete lack of polish and respect for the Aliens franchise, I don’t think Gearbox deserves the respect you’re showing it Jim.
    They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, or to be treated like anything but a duplicitous, thieving, cynical shit factory. And they can’t even make interesting shit.

    • darksteel6

      I personally think they do, they were quite gracious with TB and they certainly opened up people’s eyes by getting G2A to show their true colors, so it’s at the very least a step in the right direction.

      Pricing the full clip edition of Bulletstorm at 60 dollars is rather greedy though.

      • SilentPony

        Do not impose competency where none exists. Being too ignorant, willfully or otherwise, to do business with a fencing platform like G2A is not the same as being an internet vigilante.
        Gearbox was motivated by money, not some 1995 Hacker’s desire for clever electronic justice.

        And who cares if they were gracious to TB? They openly lied to Jim’s face about Colonial Marines! The demo they gave him to play was, literally, not part of the game. It was made specifically to trick people into buying the real game, whose budget had been secretly shifted over into Borderlands 2.

        Gearbox is simply the Ubisoft of Texas.

        • darksteel6

          We don’t know for a fact that the rumors about Gearbox using money from ACM to work on Borderlands 2 were in any way true, there’s no hard evidence to back that up.

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          They weren’t even gracious to Total Biscuit. They demanded he provide proof of things that are common knowledge in the industry. That was desperation, feigning ignorance now that this was becoming a publicity problem for them. They didn’t need him to do their work for them, they needed 30 seconds and google, even /if/ I pretend to believe that Randy ‘lies to people’s faces’ Pitchford didn’t know all this to begin with, the first story that came out linking them together negatively should have resulted in even a basic amount of research.

          Honestly I don’t think anyone who was going to stop buying Gearbox titles before should start just because they backed down in the most cowardly way possible. They didn’t even own up to their mistake and apologize for it. I don’t buy Gearbox titles any more because they had the gall to release Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever in the states they were released in, to me that’s a sign of a publisher who isn’t worth my money any more.

  • iThinkMyCatIsAFlea

    Randy Pitchford knew about [email protected]

    I think Gearbox should start selling $45 coins to those that have owned any Gearbox Software games for over five years. There’s clearly a market for this type of scam as Schatskeys have proven.

  • goodbyejojo

    gearbox and controversies go together like cops and donuts

  • Sperium3000

    Does this industry really need Gearbox? What did they contribute that was ever good? I mean, I really liked Borderlands 2, but my existance will not lose meaning if I live in a world without Handsome Jack.

    • Ashur Arbaces

      Half Life: Opposing Force

      But that was long ago. Also they saved the homeworld franchise IIRC.

    • Otherhand

      Borderlands arguably paved the way for Overwatch and the general trend for fun and colourful semi-cartoon FPSs. Not much though, I grant you.

      • galactix100

        Team Fortress 2

        • Otherhand

          Hmm, I see your point, but Borderlands was something different again in terms of each character being an individual hero with more depth, rather than simply a class. Without Borderlands, I think TF2 could easily have been a one-off FPS that happened to have a cartoon aesthetic, whereas Borderlands opened up a vital extension into a new territory.

    • Jack Trevor

      Homeworld Remastered. That’s what you can thank Gearbox for.

      That was was a game that had become the “Grim Fandango” of RTS due to incompatibility with newer OS. And the remaster turned out fantastic.

    • Anton

      There’s a lot that this industry doesn’t need.

    • darksteel6

      I think the Borderlands games were really damn good, and I also quite enjoyed Bulletstorm, Duke Nukem Forever and Colonial Marines(Thought the latter two were admittedly probably because I did not have massive expectations for either).

      • Andrzej Sugier

        Bulletstom was originaly developed by People Can Fly and published by Epic, Gearbox had nothing to do with that game.

    • Artemiy

      Hmm… Hired Aspyr to port Borderlands 2 to Linux?

  • Jamesworkshop

    I could one-up the price point

    60 bucks remaster of Hellgate: London.

  • galactix100

    I’m glad the pog fucker’s getting more air time. Unfairly maligned in my opinion.

  • Sperium3000

    “Framerate enthusiast” TotalBiscuit.

    I get it.

  • Jack Trevor

    For anybody even thinking about defending G2A, I would like to make it clear that just because they offer cheap games does not excuse them credit card fraud, exploitative behavior, and a complete disregard for who they damage.

    When you are doing less damage to a developer and the industry at large by circumnavigating their DRM and releasing a free torrent on Pirate Bay and are encouraged to do that over G2A, you know something is wrong.

    • LegendaryFrog

      And big companies wonder why people pirate? It’s been a while since I pirated an actual game. GOG, Steam and Gamefly are simply too convenient and easy to use to bother with cracks, keygens, etc. It’s almost never related to money, but they just don’t get it.

      • Jack Trevor

        People who pirate are generally those that either have no other choice (e. G. Australia banning/censoring games) or do it out of habit. For the latter, I remember Nerd Cubed talked about how people pirated his game despite the fact that it was free and had an option to download a torret if they preferred.

        Personally I’ve never felt the need to pirate because I like to finish the games I play and I like having fallbacks in case something happens.

        • Anton

          The only piracy I’d ever condone is PC conversions of console games that would otherwise be inaccessible. If I did that, though, I would still go out and buy a copy of the game for whatever platform it was originally for.

          • darksteel6

            I’ve only pirated obscure PC games that aren’t available on any digital platforms and which are very tough to find physical copies of(Surprisingly the directors cut of Silent Hill 2 is almost impossible to find on PC through legal means, physical copies are rare and expensive).

    • darksteel6

      Not defending them, i’ve never shopped there myself, but i’m not going to vilify the people that do shop there if they say live in a place where games are WAY overpriced(I.E. Australia, Greece, several of the smaller countries neighboring Brazil, India and Russia) or foreign country where Steam games are only priced in U.S. dollars(I.E. Argentina). G2A exists because Steam has a service problem, and I would encourage Jim to talk to Valve about this, if they can make games more affordable for people in those countries, it’ll be a step towards convincing people not to buy from G2A.

      • Artemiy

        How are games overpriced in Russia? I get a feeling that the prices here are pretty compatible with American prices.

        • darksteel6

          Not overpriced in Russia, but they are overpriced in countries that happen to neighbor Russia.

  • LegendaryFrog

    Another great video, Jim. This is the exact type of behavior that governments are supposed to protect consumers from, even if they’re foreign based. History has proven that if you don’t specifically tell a company that they’re not allowed to rip off their customers they’ll screw them over until someone calls them on their shit.

    It’ll be interesting to see if G2A makes any changes to their policy following Gearbox’s public demands, but since they’ve been in business for so long with a ‘big’ publisher like GB I certainly won’t hold my breath.

    • darksteel6

      They didn’t make any changes, Gearbox severed all ties with them.

      • LegendaryFrog

        Ah, thanks. I should have searched for that on the net, I guess.

  • Anton

    The real victim here is the game – which is underappreciated in my opinion. It had a chance at a late re-emergence, and Gearbox shut it down with this stupid scandal.

    • Jack Trevor

      In many ways it was ahead of its time what with the comedy aspects and mechanics you could mess around with. Probably would have done well in 2013-2014 when PC was starting to gain prominence and games like “The Stanley Parable” were coming in.

      • Anton

        Nah, it would have done fine, it was just a victim of its own marketing. The game actually had a lot of clever moments that were not at all represented in the trailers, which conveyed that shutting your brain off was mandatory.

        • darksteel6

          I thought the marketing was fine, the game just came out at a bad time.

        • Andrzej Sugier

          Yeah, the marketing for this game was juvenile and crude, which is a shame as their spoof teaser game Duty Calls was acctually really funny amd clever.

          • darksteel6

            I didn’t think the spoof teaser was particularly clever or funny, to me it felt just as unfunny as those Seltzer-Friedberg movies.

    • darksteel6

      Not really no, considering that Gearbox very publicly severed ties with G2A thanks to Total Biscuit convincing them behind-the-scenes, so Gearbox are now heroes in many people’s eyes shocking as that might seem to you.

      • Anton

        Yup, scrambling to save face after agreeing to work with pirates is real fucking heroic.

        • darksteel6

          Exposing people to G2A’s true nature is considered heroic by a lot of people.

          • Anton

            Except that everyone already knew their true nature.

          • darksteel6

            Not everybody, you’d be surprised at how many gamers don’t know about G2A. If you’re one of those people who always reads gaming news you know, but there’s plenty of more casual consumers that don’t pay attention to that stuff.

          • Anton

            Yep, because the casuals are JUST NOW tuning into the state of affairs of remastered shooters from the ass end of the 360 generation. Everyone’s gonna find out!

          • darksteel6

            Yes key phrase “going to”, but it’s a fair bet that before this many people less well-versed then us did not know.

          • Anton

            Sure thing bud.

          • Brotown

            That is a -very- generous way to spin it. Like, you should get a tax write-off for how generous you are with this. C’mon buddy.

          • darksteel6

            Never said I personally did, just saying that’s what others have said.

          • Benj

            It’s probably true that Gearbox’s actions have made a few more people know about G2A’s shit practises than they did before.

            The praise for this rests with their detractors (like TB) and not with them. I’m not going to praise Bill Cosby for raising awareness of sexual assault even though he probably has done, technically.

          • darksteel6

            Not really the same thing but whatever.

          • Brotown

            It is EXACTLY the same thing. •Your logic is to praise Trump for bringing awareness to unwanted pussy grabbing.
            •Your logic is to to praise Lebron for bringing awareness for flopping.
            •Your logic is to praise 5 Finger Death punch for bringing awareness to shitty music.

            …when people fuck up, you dont look at them and go “wow! Thanks heroes!” If i sound annoyed…it’s because I dont like it when there’s a display of complete lack of logic/common sense.

          • darksteel6

            wow you are a complete fucking moron, no it’s not remotely the same thing, comparing Gearbox to Trump shows how fucking dumb you are.

            Also Five Finger Death Punch is awesome and not “shitty” at all.

          • Brotown

            *hand over head motion*

    • BadassMcKill

      I think people just assumed it was just another shooter a la Gears of War and didn’t bother giving it the time of day

      Which is as you said a shame because it was actually a ton of fun

      • Anton

        The art style is partially to blame, imo. A lot of the assets, like the armor and weapons look like they were taken, with very minor alterations, from either Gears or Unreal Tournament games.

        • darksteel6

          I never got that impression myself.

          • Anton

            Of course you didn’t.

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            He won’t get that impression until Yahtzee or Total Biscuit tells him to.

    • La Chica Incognita

      The game is still being sold. What’s going to keep it from gaining popularity now is the price tag; 50-60 bucks for a remaster of ANY game is ridiculous.

      I might be cynical but this whole G2A thing might of been drummed up to make Gearbox look good in a misguided notion that gamers would buy an overpriced product to “support” them. I can’t fathom why they thought that price point was an acceptable business strategy otherwise.

  • Error 52

    I’m offended by that Nigel Farrage comment!

    Swallowing spiders in your sleep is actually a myth. Fuck Nigel, though.

  • Peter Quint

    Interesting in your rage you pronounced the “Duke” of Duke Nukem in the American way: “Dook”.

    I started to get inconsistent pronunciation when I spent a while in America too.

    And then everyone relentlessly takes the piss out of you when you get back to England for “trying to be American”.

    • Pocket

      Apropos of nothing, a game about a badas, gun-toting ferret named Dook Nukem would be awesome.

    • Allan Weallans

      I always pronounce Dune the American way because I don’t want people to say “June? What?”

      I guess juke is a real word too (I think? I’m getting a squiggly red line under it) but it’s not as common, plus there’s context in Duke Nukem (the, er, ‘Nukem’ part) to help you.

  • joegvo

    Oh Ubisoft should be renamed to either Ubiclassy Ubisoft, or You Be Soft Ubisoft.

  • darksteel6

    Still surprised that Total Biscuit managed to convince Gearbox to change their minds and i’m especially surprised that they were willing to try and get G2A to change their ways, can’t say i’m surprised that they did not make any commitment to change though.

    • Otherhand

      That was a charade. Gearbox feigned a case of the vapours, and demanded action by a time that G2A could not possibly meet in order to ensure the deal would not go ahead. They needed to get out.

      • Andrzej Sugier

        Yup. Those timeline for such widespred changes ensured that it was absolutely impossible for G2A to comply. It makes Gearbox look spineless in my eyes.

        • darksteel6

          It was not impossible, you do not know that for a fact.

          • Anton

            It would have required G2A to give up a huge cut of its revenue while rebuilding their entire infrastructure.

          • darksteel6

            They are making so much money it was entirely doable.

          • Anton

            On Bulletstorm? U kidding me mate.

          • darksteel6

            I’m referring to G2A, they make a ton of money from sponsoring E-sports teams.

          • Anton

            No, they get advertisements from e-sports teams. The money comes from the piracy.

          • Artemiy

            The money comes from the piracy.fraud.

            FTFY.

          • Andrzej Sugier

            Oh I’m absolutely 100% sure that it was impossible. Their demands required widespread refunds and restructuring of the whole G2A business model, this is not something that can happen in two weeks.

            Even if they were willing to implement reckless, untested and very costly policies the formal and administrative side of things including 3rd parties would take too much time.

            Besides… This is not a way that real companies do business. You don’t post treats on the internet aND wait for a reaction of the secondition party. This is most probably just a strawman to save some face and G2A was never given a real option to keep the deal intact, Gearbox withdrawed following the rules they’ve put in their initial contact.

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          Yeah, the whole thing stinks of Gearbox realizing they were caught and needing a way to back out without looking like they knew it had been wrong to begin with. They are scumbags and knew exactly what G2A was before they got in bed with them, these are the people who somehow thought it was okay to charge people full price for both Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever, they have no morals.

          • darksteel6

            They are not “scumbags” at all. Also your logic that because you don’t like a game it’s not worth full price is bullshit.

      • darksteel6

        They only wanted G2A to publicly commit to making changes, they could not, therefore it opened many people’s eyes.

        • Otherhand

          And I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

          G2A would have had to extend its Shield fraud protection to every single customer free of charge by April 14th (which is a time-consuming change, and also one that would cost G2A money in admin and investigation), to set up a throttling system within two months (again, complex, requires planning), to create a flagging system for the publishers’ use within 3 months (again, with no charges), and to create an all-new payment system within a month. The first one alone was impossible, and Gearbox knew it.

          Ain’t it funny how much detail Gearbox suddenly had about the way G2A works, too?

          • darksteel6

            They still could’ve made a commitment.

          • Uldi

            I do believe that those suggested improvements were part of what Totalbiscuit sent them.

            And extending the Shield fraud protection is a lot easier than you think. You just eliminate the subscription. The flagging system should already exist. After all, how does it protect customers from fraud otherwise? If it’s just a case-by-case basis, converting that to a flagging system would fairly simple.

      • Daniel Jensen

        From my understanding Gearbox gave G2A multiple deadlines to actually implement the changes, though they wanted at least a public “yes/no” by 24 hours.

        Like Jim pointed out, they didn’t make ANY sort of response before that time. Not even a “hey, give us a while to think about it”.

        And even when they DID give a response (this was done after the video), all they did was deflect and blame everyone else and even accuse Gearbox of defamation, while making a PR statement more or less CONFIRMING the accusations.

  • Maybe Randy thought he could change G2A’s nefarious ways and be hailed as a hero to the gaming world.

    • darksteel6

      Seems like it, at the very least this definitely opened some people’s eyes up to G2A’s true nature.

  • KaosMachina

    It’s 49.99 on steam as of the time of this release, Jimbo.

    Not that it’s acceptable, of course. But when insulting a product, one should really always make sure to be as accurate as possible!

    • darksteel6

      That’s still pretty damn pricey for a remaster that does not really add much besides a shinier coat of paint(PC version actually has less options then the original release which Total Biscuit showed in his port report)

      • KaosMachina

        I… actually completely agree and said so? It’s not good. $30 would be an acceptable price point for a remaster of the game with new content, I feel. But instead it’s fifty fucking dollarydoos with dlc slapped on top of it. Gearbox is honestly kinda terrible.

        • darksteel6

          I don’t think they are terrible, just greedy. Rockstar is guilty of that too, they once priced the digital version of GTA V 10 dollars more then the physical version, and they are really stingy about offering discounts for it during Steam sales.

          • SmaMan

            And isn’t it common practice to offer PC gamers who owned the original product upgrades to the “remastered” edition free of charge?

          • darksteel6

            Yes, which makes this even more galling.

          • Pocket

            Or at least for a substantial discount, as was the case with Metro, Sleeping Dogs, Doom 3… and that represents three different publishers.

  • darksteel6

    Duke Nukem is awesome.

    • Anton

      I know there’s no such thing as a wrong opinion, but goddamn, you’re trying hard.

      • SilentPony

        Well he didn’t say Forever. So there’s a chance he means Duke Nukem 3D, which IS awesome

        • Anton

          He also means DNF

          • darksteel6

            Indeed, I tried to get into Duke 3-D but it just was not fun for me, i’m not fan of that 90s FPS maze-like level design, I find it very boring.

      • Otherhand

        He rates Nickelback, Linkin Park, Batman vs Superman, Homefront: The Revolution, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Duke Nukem Forever… I mean, we can extrapolate, can’t we? Probably Prometheus, Avatar, Ed Sheeran, Coldplay, The One Show, James Corden, Formula One racing, Starbucks, pocket fluff, rice cakes, and Thursdays

        • drownedsummer

          I’m rather suspecting that diamond has never heard of The One Show.

          • darksteel6

            Nope I haven’t, and looking it up I can see it’s a British show, so i’m not sure why he would assume that I even had heard of it.

        • Kev’ Bryant

          I love both Rice Cakes and Batman v Superman. Sorry. :0(

        • darksteel6

          Not really that unusual at all, lots of people like Linkin Park, they’re not trendy to hate on like Nickelback(though their new song sounds pretty shitty).

          You’re way off the mark, I fucking HATE Ed Sheeran, I really can’t stand “pretty white boy pop music” like Sheeran, Lukas Graham, Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes, etc.

          I think Avatar is definitely overrated, it’s an OK film at best, if it wasn’t for the 3-D nobody would remember it, the environmentalism crap was way too heavy-handed for my liking.

          Coldplay is OK, but definitely overrated.

          Not a fan of racing, I find it very boring.

          Not really a coffee person, so not big on Starbucks(they have decent cookies though).

          Never even heard of James Corden until now, does not sound like i’m missing much, never heard of The One Show either.

          I really did not care much for Prometheus, I think it’s the weakest of all the Aliens films(i’d even put it below Resurrection and the two AVP films, all of which I enjoyed way more).

          Never had rice cakes and never will.

          Thursdays are great for me because that’s when Podquistion comes out and also when the VOD of Co-Optional podcast comes out, so I get to spend all day listening to two of my favorite content creators.

    • SmaMan

      As a classic PC gamer, I’m with you on this. It’s a shame his name has been so besmirched thanks to D.N.F.

      • darksteel6

        DNF was actually the first Duke game I ever played, so I enjoyed it personally, but I get why others did not.

        • SmaMan

          I actually thought it was okay. Definitely a product of its time, which was the mid 90s, and shooters have moved on since then. (See also, Yooka Laylee)

          Then again, I only bought it from the bargain bin for $1, so the bar was set pretty low.

          • darksteel6

            Yeah some of my opinions on certain games might be colored since I got them used for a pretty cheap price(I.E. Morph X, Quantum Theory, Jurassic the Hunted, Sniper Ghost Warrior, etc).

          • Justin Graham

            Mechanically, DNF is functional and not a terrible game. But it’s saddled with humor and writing that didn’t age NEARLY as well in any way.

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            It’s not a matter of ‘aging poorly’, it had humor that was simply sophomoric and stupid at best and often offensive and disgusting at worst. When your main character is walking up to girls crying about being raped by monsters and he makes a quip about it, that’s not ‘edgy’ or ‘late 90s humor’ that’s just gross.

          • Justin Graham

            That’s very true.

            But even taking into account the absolute worst and most offensive attempts at humor, the jokes pretty much fall flat because, at its “best” and least offensive, it’s still just really sophomoric and not at all clever. It feels in some ways like the script was written in 1998 and only slightly touched up to poke fun at the giant, 14-year dev cycle.

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            Oh I’m not saying the jokes aren’t also bad and dated, just that I think the other kind are worse. But that’s a big part of what made me lose any respect for gearbox as publishers, that anyone looked at that script and those jokes and said ‘yep, we want our names associated with this.’ Once you do that, you don’t get to come back later and be taken seriously as a publisher. Colonial Marines was just icing on the shit cake after that.

          • darksteel6

            Actually 3-D Realms was responsible for most of the content in DNF, Gearbox mostly just polished up the game for release.

            I personally never lost respect for them.

          • darksteel6

            I thought the humor was pretty funny personally, could’ve done without the hive level though.

          • Uldi

            Well, in a way the humor did age poorly. At the time Duke Nukem 3-D was released, such humor in a video game wasn’t all that common. The violence was, but not the so-called mature humor; the only ones that think that humor is mature are the people that never actually matured in the first place.

            It was a new experience and shocked a lot of people, but it’s only really praised by those that played it as teens, I think. I never played it, and Duke Nukem Forever made sure I never would.

    • CaitSeith

      Unpopular opinion detected! Prepare outrage missiles!

      • darksteel6

        Might as well throw another unpopular opinion out there, I actually like Rob Liefeld.

        • CaitSeith

          Oh, shoot! He trespassed the defense perimeter! Warm up the flame-throwers! Prepare for a close-quarter flame war…

          • darksteel6

            I’m going for a home run-I like most movies based on video games, including the ones by Uwe Boll(I like quite a few of his films as well).

        • drownedsummer

          Not a fan of realistically drawn feet then?

          • darksteel6

            I like his art style.

  • SmaMan

    Who remembers that Reddit AMA that G2A did a while back? You know, the one where that one guy (after many attempts, not getting a satisfying answer from them about safeguards and whatnot) walked them through how easy it was to bypass their own shitty security checks to get fraudulent, non-working keys onto their marketplace?

    And then G2A fucking banned him for it.

  • Max Whiteley

    You have triggered me, that’s the Union FLAG not the Jack.

    Why do you have such a low opinion of Nigel? He’s just a middle class man pretending to be working class, do you not like the working class or something?

    • 09philj

      My granny, who is a wonderfully sweet old woman, and is on a quest to give everybody she knows heart disease and type two diabetes from tea and cake overdoses, has said she’d like to slap Nigel Farage’s face.

      • Max Whiteley

        Good for her.
        My granny once threatened to chop my dick off with a vegetable knife.
        Irrelevant anecdotes about grannies. How fun!

  • Muddy Scarecrow

    Wait. Digital Homicide has a Twitter account?

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      They did, I’m pretty sure it’s been abandoned and taken over by spambots the last I checked.

    • SmaMan

      They also had a website (where that screencap was taken from) though now it just redirects you to a site that looks nearly identical to theirs called “Loot Toot” games… which somehow looks and feels shadier than G2A.

  • Arella Jardin

    Aw, and I actually felt a modicum of respect for Gearbox this week. The fact that they held a conference call with TB while he not only walked them through G2A’ record of scum and villainy (Jim didn’t even mention their “insurance” policy akin to a protection racket), but also hammered out their ultimatum based on his suggestions. They may have been shockingly deaf to G2A’s reputation, but they responded admirably afterwards.

    But yeah, fuck that price.

    Surprised no brief mention of Digital Foundry’s showcase of Scorpio. I know it wasn’t a full reveal, but considering the years of shit Jim’s heaped on MS for the botched launch of XOne, I figured he’d have a few words to say about it in the prologue or stinger.

    • drownedsummer

      Yeah but it is respecting them for a situation that shouldn’t have occurred in the first place.

      • Landy Alexander

        Yeah. Planning to do something shitty then backing off when you get massive backlash is not laudable.

    • darksteel6

      Scorpio is looking pretty damn impressive

  • Thanatos

    Gearbox knew what they were doing, they hoped no one would notice, and they underestimated just how pwned they would get by TotalBiscuit.

    “Yeah, well prove it! Prove that they’re corr-oh, you CAN prove it? Uhhhhhhhhhhhh”

  • DJ OakeyDoakey

    Can Pog Fucker have his own show?

    • galactix100

      I’d love Jim to do a sketch show with all of his characters. Pog Fucker, Jimsaw, Rory Fingers, Steam Cleaner and the Cornflakes Homunculus could all turn up. I’d watch that shit.

      • Artemiy

        And they’ll all flog Chip. SHUT UP CHIP!

  • Nobody’s Fanboy

    I loved Bulletstorm the first time by…not getting that sucked in or laughing that hard at an FPS since the days when the genre was ruled by fast-paced deathmatchers rather than barely-interactive action movies. It’s a shame to find out it didn’t even break even, and I imagine with the controversy it’s not going to do any better this time.

    As a side note…I can only imagine how many takes it took to keep the pog balanced on the tip like that.

    • darksteel6

      Not all FPS games are “barely interactive action films”.

      • Nobody’s Fanboy

        I didn’t say they were. I said the genre was ruled by them.

        • darksteel6

          I dunno about that, aside from COD and Battlefield I can’t think of that many FPS games that fall into that template.

  • Appretaur

    So should all the Gearbox offenses Jim describes in this video be categorized as Gearbox Moves? Some of them are outright romine in their nature and way of thinking, especially the bit about partnering with G2A – one of the most rightfully and widely reviled corporate entities that has hurt seemingly everyone in its industry.

  • Anton Caligari

    Quite a fun little game Bulletstorm (back in the day). One of the few games that i played where you could kick someone – not enough kicking in games these days.

  • Gennadios

    None of you mainstream journalists understand the meta brilliance of it all.

    The original Bulletstorm partnered with Microsoft to ship on GWFL, a service that you had to actively fight, and hack DLCs of, to actually get a fucking game running (I’m not kidding, average tinkering to launch the game, with proper gamepad support, and access to your own fucking saves was in the 2 hour range per game)

    The Remaster partners with G2A, where every purchase is a gamble with having your credit card details stolen. (No first hand experience here, though.)

    It’s all just part of the Bulletstorm experience!

  • kaptinscuzgob

    nigel farage shouldve died in that plane crash

  • Mr Jemandem

    I usaly buy most AAA games on G2A, most resellers i buy from give me a picture of the code from a game that is released in east europe or gift it via steam to me. I dont feel guilty for that at all. I think G2A brings in some fresh air so that the big Publishers need to change ther business strategies.. For Indie games that is quite different for me i buy them direktly via stam or greenman or what ever… 10 to 20 € dont rely bother me that much. In the EU ther is a law in place that removes geo blocking in e-comerce and G2A is the only platfrom whe i can take advantage of it for PC Games.

    Edit: i uslay buy Switch games in the US with the new E-Shop because i save like 2 to 5€ per sale. Thx Nintendo to make it so easy.

    • Landy Alexander

      Just pirate. Pirating a game is just as unethical as buying on G2A, but you don’t have to worry about literally supporting credit card thieves.

      • darksteel6

        Pirating is a lot more complicated compared to just buying the game though,

        • Artemiy

          Can’t have it all. Easy, cheap, honest, right now. Something has to go usually.

    • guy smiley

      The Developers of Factorio detailed their experiences with this issue in one of their manifestos. That I won’t link because they’ve released one every friday for many years now, and I forget which it was. However, the upshot was one statement: “Just pirate it. Pirating it literally hurts us less.” Essentially, for every sale made (then subsequently cancelled) off a stolen credit card, they were charged US $20. Your buying not only supports resellers, fraud, etc, you are literally costing the developer money. You do them no good at all.

      • Artemiy

        US$20 for a single chargeback? Wow.

  • Sequoiasaur

    The only thing bothering me about today’s episode is the ringtone Jim used. I recognize it, but cannot place it.

    • Miles Saintborough

      It’s the same as his show’s opening theme

  • Jiryn

    First, let’s not forget that the touted “Duke Nukem” is a pre-order bonus for Bulletstorm, and does not come with the base game if you didn’t pre-order it. His inclusion will cost you $5 more if your interested in buying it…. or comes packaged with the base game for $64.99 total.
    Even more galling is the 7th gen original release is in the store NEXT to the remaster, priced at $9.99.. I honestly love the game and have it on the 360.. but this.. this is horrid marketing on every level.
    Are all the DLC levels at least included with the Remaster? Either way, I’m waiting for a price drop on this one.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b9f0d2ba555c924089ea7b6c98a1fd67ef01abf4c7bf793987df899645f51743.png

    G2A and many other companies like them come off as straight up shady. I’ve seen G2A and multiple other companies use fradualent or stolen codes. I’ve hears some companies will even pull the codes out of bonus boxes/console packs and sell them to the player that way, such as discount cards, or bonus games.. which is just deceitful.

  • Benj

    Someday I’m going to accidentally call someone a skeleton warrior when I mean to call them a cunt and I’m going to be really embarassed about it.

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      Yeah, a skeleton warrior is a way worse insult.

  • Landy Alexander

    Okay, I’m officially done with Gearbox. I mean, they’re not putting out relevant games anymore, but even if they did they’re so radically anti consumer I don’t want to put up with that shit.

    • darksteel6

      They are putting out relevant games and they are not “radically” anti-consumer.

      • Landy Alexander

        Gearbox has put out 3 games that are worth my time in the last decade, all borderlands. I’m not gonna count the presequal as really a gearbox game as it was primarily developed by 2k Australia, so the last gearbox game worth a damn was borderlands 2 released 5 years ago. Other than that they have released a upgrade of a game I already bought, that they didn’t originally develop (bulletstorm), a pretty good multiplayer game with a dead user base 2 weeks in, and an insult to one of the greatest shooters of all time. I stand by ‘no longer makes relevant games.’

        As for anti consumer, they released colonial marines. They took money Sega paid them to develop aliens, and used it to pay Borderlands developers. They knew colonial marines was going to be garbage because they were basically embezzling, but sold the game anyway using shitty non representative screenshots and trailers. I stand by ‘anti consumer’

    • Drake Warnock

      They aren’t so much radically anti-consumer as they are bad at their jobs. Plus they have Randy “I-Couldn’t-Tell-the-Truth-to-Save-My-Life” Pitchford as their boss, so it can’t be easy to get anything done.

    • CaitSeith

      Compared with the rest of the AAA industry, there is nothing radical in their anti-consumerism.

  • La Chica Incognita

    When was the last time Duke Nukem was relevant? I think Duke Nukem Forever has basically killed his status as a gaming icon and nothing has been done to fix that.

    This is also from a girl who grew up playing Duke Nukem 3D AND the original side scrolling Duke Nukem games so was as “iconic” a video game character for PC gaming to me as one can get.

    Well him and Horny from Dungeon Keeper. But that was because I was obsessed with Dungeon Keeper.

    • SmaMan

      They rereleased Duke3D last year with a new pack of levels, featuring new voice work from John St. John, for the game’s 20th anniversary or something.

      • Drake Warnock

        Oh shit I forgot about that, I still need to pick that up.

    • galactix100

      Duke’s not been relevant for a looooong time. I always felt most of the attention DNF got was based around surprise that the game actually got released.

    • darksteel6

      I personally liked Duke Nukem Forever, and people forget while it did not do well critically, the game actually did sell fairly well.

      • Drake Warnock

        Honestly Forever was really solid. There was just so much that was frustratingly holding it back. The ego boost mechanic was especially great.

  • SmaMan

    Oh wow… want some good “throwing them under the bus-manship?” Check out Randy Pitchford’s Twitter right now:

    “I didn’t even know g2a existed before last week. Pub group is running
    that business. I expect them to learn. They are new at this. Thanks!”

    • Appretaur

      0_0; That cannot be true. A man in his position literally had not heard the name “G2A” throughout the past several years straight…!?

      • Miles Saintborough

        It’s Randy being Randy. He’ll still try to convince you that Alien: Colonial Marines is a good game.

        • darksteel6

          I think it is a good game.

          • Drake Warnock

            Being a good game and liking a game are two different things.
            That said I haven’t played it so I can’t really judge, just pointing this out is all.

    • galactix100

      That man is a gold mine for obvious bullshit.

    • Bilateralrope

      How does Gearbox prepare a deal with someone whose *existence* is unknown to their CEO ?

    • drownedsummer

      To be fair Pitchford either comes across either arrogant and unwilling to admit to culpability of things Gearbox have previously done or is a complete and utter idiot. Look up Jim’s post about the AMA Pitchford hosted which unsurprisingly backfired.

  • Siddartha 85

    The fact Duke Nukem was supposed to draw people in says so, so much.

  • Polishfury5000

    Soooooo yeah, there’s no way Gearbox’s executives could have never heard G2A’s shady as hell practices. I refuse to believe a major, for-realsies company would go into any partnership without extensive background checks first. A simple Google would bring up tons of reasons why G2A would be P.R. nightmare of a publisher.

    Gearbox is either incompetent or feigning ignorance to save face. With the way they’re handling Bulletstorm, incompetent is looking the most likely.

  • NoQuarter

    I’ve never bought anything on G2A, but I regularly get games from Green Man Gaming. Am I right to believe that GTG is legit?

    • XionEternum

      GMG is legit.
      As is Chronos(dot)gg.

      • NoQuarter

        Thanks.

        • XionEternum

          So is GOG, and Origin.
          Not Uplay though. Avoid. 😉

          • Gorantharon

            GoG is awesome. You should buy there if you can.

          • Michael Horton

            Replaced a lot of my old gaming library with digital versions (that will work on 10) thanks to GoG.

    • Sean Sky

      I’ve bought a few things from GMG and had good experiences. They’re legit.

  • XionEternum

    Bulletstorm… A game I rather enjoy. I picked it up on PC back in the GFWL era. I’m one of those lucky sods what never had an issue with GFWL, especially since I never used it for online play. Couldn’t play it without a simple mod to disable GFWL after it shut down. Still the original hasn’t had GFWL patched out; it will not run on PC w/o an external mod and was still being sold needing that mod last I checked. I bought it on sale for I think around $15. I’m fairly certain it was a 66% or more off deal. What shocks me to no end is that it wasn’t base-priced $20 by the time I bought it, not to mention has been de-listed from Steam and replaced with the remaster whole-cloth. Has some texture enhancement, modern resolution support, FoV slider *chuckles*, and some features removed. (See TotalBiscuit’s port-report video for details) Frankly speaking, if one guy can mod-fix Dark Souls for proper M+KB controls, 60fps, and higher than 720p resolution for free; then this remaster should’ve been free to everyone who bought the original on PC AND replacing the original listing at $20! Under most circumstances I don’t condone piracy, but for those who already bought the game on PC; go nuts!

  • Jonathan Allbritten

    How exactly is anything wrong with G2A if all they do is let people resell keys…..they’re just a channel. That’s like holding steam responsible for the existence of Digital Homicide and their practices…..Why would you?

    • Landy Alexander

      Knowingly selling stolen goods is a crime.

      • Jonathan Allbritten

        But you can’t prove that. I can’t prove that. Hell, if someone sells me a cheap car and I’m a car dealer and resell it? It’s not my job to know where the car came from.

        Plausibl deniability.

        Technically, diamonds are funded by the slave trade, human abuse, etc… that’s all illegal in most countries. We technically have trade laws decrying doing business with those types….we still do it. We still allow those goods distributions and being sold in the country.

        All I see here, is an easy target for corruption the free market due to the fact that it actually blantaly takes advantage of it and people decrying it. When we support businesses that do the same thing all over the world all the time without a second thought.

        It’s both hypocritical and a double standard.

        …and really makes no sense, since they’re not doing anything illegal. They’re shady, at best. And that’s only because there seems to be circumstantial evidence.

        • Eon264

          Yes… we can prove that. Or rather, we can prove that they know they sell stolen keys, not that they know which ones are stolen when they sell them which would be overtly illegal. You can go ahead and look it up, there are tons of articles discussing how G2A’s sold hundreds of thousands of dollars in illicit keys and offered no restitution to the people they’re effectively stealing from. There are ways they could combat the sale of stolen keys but they do none of them, instead double-dipping on their consumer base with what could almost be described as racketeering.

          Also, there are already laws against the use and sale of blood diamonds (along with other minerals, though those are harder to track), and toooooons of people are going through initiatives for awareness and whatnot. But I don’t see what that has to do with this, just because other shitty things happen doesn’t mean we should be fine with this shitty thing. It also makes absolutely no sense to claim we should clean all corruption simultaneously or none at all. Life is not a zero sum game.

          • Jonathan Allbritten

            That just goes back to my point that your asking a distribution channel to be held responsible for those that use it. Technically, G2A itself isn’t doing anything illegal. Encouraging it? Sure. But you can’t hold them accountable and you can’t force them to do anything about it.

            And I was talking about the laws against Blood Diamonds; I did say it was illegal. Doesn’t stop it from happening or being encouraged. And while some people go out of their way to be aware and whatnot, many do not.

            Just as many people don’t question the hiring practicses of Walmart, where it gets it’s goods from, ect….

            My point is simply this: If someone is going to speak up against G2A, then you better be ready to speak up against all corrupt business practices. Otherwise your employing double standards.

            I’m not saying: “If one guy is getting shot somewhere, it’s okay if this one does.”

            I AM saying: “If you’re gonna speak out against this guy getting shot, then better be ready to stand up against the other one(s) not happening in front of you.”

            I’m calling people out on consistency in behavior since they have a tendency to only care about things happening right in front of them to things they care about even the same thing is essentially happening right next door.

            Hypocrisy pisses me off and people who preach something but only actually apply it selectively also piss me off. I’m not saying it’s all or nothing, be consistent.

            Further, this also goes beyond that. G2A is using loop wholes on accountability to operate. Exactly how much legal interference do you want to have to fix that attitude? Sure, if federal law was modified to stop it, that might be nice for this situation but then that gets into a slippery slope problem.

            I’m not defending G2A. I’m pointing out that while you can dislike/hate em. You can’t, shouldn’t, or think carefully about the stance you want to take if you decide to speak for action against them.

          • Landy Alexander

            Technically G2A is doing something illegal. Knowingly selling stolen goods is a crime. I said that before.

          • Jonathan Allbritten

            But it’s not illegal because you then have to prove they explicitly know before hand.

            Your arguing a technicality that they’re clearly abusing with loopholes to get around

            They wouldn’t still be operating if they were blatantly illegal.

          • Landy Alexander

            I think eventually this issue will go to court and eventually somebody is going to face repercussions for g2a. Just because that hasn’t happened yet doesn’t make their actions legal. That’s like saying murdering people isn’t technically illegal if you don’t get caught.

          • Jonathan Allbritten

            To charge someone of murder you have to prove it was pre meditated action. Otherwise you have Man slaughter or passion crime.

            It’s not nearly as black and white as you make it sound and I highly doubt that someone will be able to catch them with their pants down

          • Landy Alexander

            Okay cool. You could have just started by saying you have no idea how law works. Thrn we wouldn’t have argued.

          • Jonathan Allbritten

            You either have no idea how the legal system works. Or my point went way above your head. Either way, thanks for the ignorant insult that just proved your own ineptitude

          • Daniel Jensen

            They CAN find out if the goods were stolen. Gearbox even spelled out HOW they can ensure that keys aren’t stolen.

            They still said no. That’s deliberate negligence for the sake of profit no matter how you look at it.

            And the reason they’re still operating is because they’re operating in Hong Kong, where the authorities don’t give a single flying fuck about foreign copyrights or laws.

          • Jonathan Allbritten

            That’s just highlighting my point. They can get away with it cause they chose not to enforce anything which makes them non-complicent even if they’re encouraging it through active non action and they’re operating legal loopholes.

            Which is why I said: it’s not illegal. You can’t actually call it legal.

            But that moves away from my original point of: why the strong reaction if people encourage such business practices all the time through normal
            consumer behavior?

            G2A isn’t some special sort of scum. Just a mildly well known one in certain circles

          • Daniel Jensen

            Deliberate negligence is the same as being complicate, as far as I’m concerned, especially when they directly benefit from turning a blind eye. Imagine a car dealer claiming they had no idea they were selling stolen cars, when there’s a perfectly good registration system they can use to ensure the person selling the car actually owns it. Ignoring an INCREDIBLY easy way to combat fraud and then declaring it’s okay to benefit from fraud, because ‘technically’ you have nothing to do with it, is taking the piss.

            I mean, hell, the funny thing is that G2A CAN easily check keys to make sure they’re not stolen, but they only DO if you’re part of their shitty protection racket.

            I ignored your original point of “why are people mad at X when they don’t notice when Y does it” because it’s an inherently fallacious argument that I would have thought wasn’t worth the time of day to answer. It wasn’t acceptable when Digital Homicide was trying to point at other Asset Flippers and cry “why aren’t you criticizing them” (we WERE), and it’s no more of a defense now.

            Don’t get me wrong, I understand you’re trying to say that it would make more sense to change the law as a whole instead of trying to shut down an individual case… but the fact of the matter is that high-profile controversies like these are often the only way to encourage lawmakers to pull their fingers from their asses and catch up with the technology. Even if people are only just getting angry at G2A on what’s apparently a widespread issue, that’s not a bad thing.

          • Jonathan Allbritten

            See, in your case, my “fallacious” argument is fallacious cause you fall into a minor category of people that actually ARE consistent. Thus the point would be fallacious when applied to you. Most people aren’t like that. Most people are willful hypocrites that have some vague sense of the Blood Diamon trade but don’t care about that but will speak up against G2A. They’ll shop at that sleazy care salesman without a second though and benefit as long as it’s not thrown in their face and have a crowd of people pushing them to take a stance or if it’s a topic they don’t care too much about.

            Legal loopholes are taking the piss, but they’re there and it’s important that people know exactly what they’re pushing for. When people want legal action against G2A they set precedent. That’s something to think about. When they want legal action to be manageable against both Digutal Homicide and G2A, they now want legal boundaries and rules to be enforced. That’s something to think about.

            I’m not saying people not be upset about G2A, but I don’t see a reason to get mad at them because:
            – They aren’t doing anything illegal, technically, and to invite conversation into action implies I want more legal oversight
            – Most people are being hypocritical when it comes to such cases
            – Most people have not thought through the entire situation beyond getting mad at them for being assholes

            Personally, I think people should be more mad/frustrated at how easy cr fit card stealing is. That’s the main problem at the root of this. And even if G2A is shutdown, that won’t stop it and it won’t stop another thing like it, or possibly worse, from cropping up somehow.

            Solve the card issue and G2A will naturally die off.

            It’s a symptom of a larger issue

    • RipTide

      You are correct, G2A has done nothing explicitly illegal and so can not be punished by the legal system, but they have been tea bagging that fine line for a while now. Just because what they do isn’t technically illegal doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong that they do it, or that they shouldn’t be criticized for doing it. A seller has a moral, if not a legal, responsibility to ensure the goods they are selling are working and legal. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it a good thing to do.

      • Jonathan Allbritten

        I didn’t argue it was a “good” thing to do. They are certain Amy scumbags

        By all means, decry them. I just feel like a lot of people have a tendency to apply moral and ethical expectations in one situation and pull a 180 in another so I say people need consistency before they have the right to decry them.

        I also don’t know if I consider it a moral obligation. It certainly expected and desired, but I don’t tend to place moral expectations on people I don’t know. As far as I’m concerned, their legal obligations are the only ones that legitimately matter and everything else is extra toppings.

        Part of that is tha to bring moral obligations and put them on the same level as legal obligation, you’re toeing a line of action that I find has scary prospects and far reaching consequences.

        Another part is that they’re a direct symptom of the free market and how it works. A system that I tend to endorse, thus must accept the ugly and good. As a consumer who constantly tries to save money and goes to the cheapest retailer, why can I decry those retailers for the practices they use to get those cheap goods to me if I’m encouraging them with my patronage? That’d make the worst kind of hypocrite.

    • Artemiy

      That’s like holding steam responsible for the existence of Digital Homicide and their practices

      Ding-diling-diling! That’s what Jim has been doing! For a while now! He’s been constantly saying how much Steam needs to step up their game and eliminate all the shit-quackers from their storefront!

      • Jonathan Allbritten

        Well, more specifically, he holds them responsible for policing their store front but he doesn’t place as directly responsible for what Digital Homicide did. However, he seems to do so for G2A.

        I get that Steams situation is more about negligence and G2A is more turning a blind eye on purpose, but I don’t see the situations as that different as I don’t consider a distributor directly responsible for the goods they put up.

        Administrating the storefront and actually taking an active roll in the making of the goods and where they come from are two separate things.

  • jedimastercosmin

    I’m sorry, but I refuse to believe that a giant company like Gearbox would not be educated on the dealings of a potential business partner. Even my small brain gets offended when I try to think that.

    It’s possible that this was a marketing strategy to score some points in the eyes of the public.

    To be honest, I think Totalbiscuit was too nice to them. They should have just told them to do their own research and to give him a call when they weren’t acting like idiots.

    • Eon264

      Wouldn’t be surprised if the thought crossed his mind, but he ultimately decided that nailing G2A was more important than making gearbox look stupid. Personally I agree with him, gearbox has done almost nothing /but/ look stupid lately. There will be more than enough opportunities to point that out later but there are precious few chances to actually stick it to G2A like this.

  • Jack Spence

    A rosy cheeked Victorian era public schoolboy with his face pressed up against a sweet shop window has let himself go

  • Clark O’Brien

    Are Gearbox in a bit of financial trouble due to the Battleborn fiasco? How much money on a re-release of the first Borderlands in the next year or two?

  • Joe

    I can’t say I hate this game. It was a different sort of fun, but is this review essentially just a G2A rant? Because if that is the case, I can agree.

  • Exley97

    I’m astounded how Gearbox continually denies responsibility for these types of things and seemingly evades any serious, brand-damaging blowback on a large scale. I just don’t understand how people keep giving Pitchford and Company the benefit of the doubt anymore.

  • Erik Crossley

    “Nigel Farage: the human personification of that feeling you get when you remember you swallow spiders in your sleep” oh mate, that is pure gold. It’s going to keep me going for the next few years. Thank God for you!