The Jimquisition: Can Evolve Cut Down The Bullshit Tree?

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A year ago, we talked about how Evolve fell out of the “AAA” Bullshit Tree and hit every branch on the way down.

Turtle Rock’s multiplayer game of predator and prey prototyped the current trend of unfinished games that used DLC like crutches, and suffered as a result.

Now it’s back, completely free, and redesigned as Evolve Stage 2.

And that’s… interesting.

ENAY
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ENAY

I’m sorry, I’m really sorry, I’ve tried to see it.

I know it’s supposed to be a burning alien hand print in a rocky wall, but all I can see is flaming pieces of poo.

HisDivineOrder
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HisDivineOrder

The Alien Poo demands your attention.

Brotown
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Brotown

Also known as “The Number Four” meal from Taco Bell

Ian
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Ian

I never actually played Evolve, so take my opinion with a grain of salt…

This could be too little too late, and it doesn’t seem like a perfect solution, but otherwise I agree with Jim – it’s nice to see a developer that 100% bought into the triple-A bullshit admit that they fucked up and try to fix it.

La Chica Incognita
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La Chica Incognita

Considering the player base of Evolve was less then 200 people last I checked (I’m pretty sure a few children’s games from the 90’s had more active players…) They had to do SOMETHING to keep this game from dying out, however, I’m still severely doubtful its going to work. Last time I glanced at the forum the few people left in the game were bitter angry and defensive about Evolve and had totally turned me off from looking into the game more.

Brotown
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Brotown

That kind of community? F it. Just call it Devolve at this point then

Watchmedance
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Watchmedance

And change the gameplay to only include hillbillies killing animals in the woods.

Zeria
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Zeria

Maybe Stage 3 will be to actually make a decent game. Who knows?

Graham Miller
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Graham Miller

I assume this is relevant to your interests?

Brotown
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Brotown

Well it is now!

(Haha…that’s completely ridiculous)

Graham Miller
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Graham Miller

Actual book cover, for sale on Amazon for the steal of $3

Brotown
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Brotown

Just saw an article on Kotaku after seeing your post here. Not gonna lie, as a comfortably straight man…this is the funniest thing ive seen in my entire life this week.

It’s glorious haha

Andrew Barloq
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Andrew Barloq

Chuck Tingle is a way more clever than you’d expect someone who writes erotic gay fiction on Amazon to be.

Benj
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Benj

Oh jesus tapdancing christ, that yellow bigfoot thing is supposed to be Pikachu!

Anton
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Anton

I believe that’s the final evolution, called the Dikachu.

Benj
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Benj

Dikachu used growl. It had no effect.

Dikachu used flash. It had no effect.

Dikachu used tackle.

Dikachu used pound.

Dikachu used double team… it’s super effective.

Anton
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Anton

Dikachu used Shocker. XD

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Whatever you do. WHATEVER. YOU. DO.

Do not imagine Dikachu used Mud Slap.

Kelerak
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Kelerak

Dikachu used Pound

just poundin’ it

just…poundin’ it

poundin’ it

Urbex Bootleg Glitch
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Urbex Bootleg Glitch

I’m guessing the Pogs4Boglins bit is poking fun at the CSGO Lotto official response, but without directly bringing that up, is anyone going to remember that if they rewatch this video a year from now?

Kelerak
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Kelerak
The way I see it, Evolve is trying to get an audience in a similar fashion to WildStar, in which I like to call “the MMO death cycle”. Usually, the cycle goes “subscription, one-time pay, megaserver, free-to-play”, and by the time the megaservers roll around, the game’s population plummets. Sure, F2P will bolster the player count for a bit, but there’s no guarantee that it’ll be sustainable at all. Given Evolve’s tattered reputation at this point, Evolve going F2P won’t really do much in the long run. It’s a last effort in order to attempt to salvage the game, but… Read more »
Jack Trevor
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Jack Trevor

Turtle Rock is owned by 2K.

Dreggsao
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Dreggsao

Turtle Rock is not owned by 2K but independent. Evolve is owned by 2K though.

HisDivineOrder
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HisDivineOrder
I don’t think anyone who owns Evolve thinks, “Wow, I’m so, so glad I own Evolve.” Not gamers, not the license holders, and certainly not the developers. Somewhere, there’s got to be a developer still working on Evolve crying himself to sleep fueled by Jack Daniels. He tells his ex-wife, “I used to be a game developer that had fun. I did things I liked. I did. I remember it. Don’t you remember?” She reminds him of the restraining order. It precludes phone calls. She found her a new man. One who’s happily making a new Call of Duty for… Read more »
Milestone_RP
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Milestone_RP

I’m in the camp of “this is an isolated incident that’s happening because 2K realized that they had to make the money back from Evolve SOMEHOW, and this is a calculated gamble on their part”.

And I’m in the camp that nobody will learn ANY lessons from this example. Especially not the executive types who rule companies like EA and Capcom now. If they see that something like this breeds only failure and contempt, they’ll respond with “NO, IDIOT, you must have done it wrong, what we think CAN’T be wrong”. Then continue as usual.

Benj
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Benj

One must never ever EVER underestimate AAA publisher’s ability to learn fuck all.

Gizensha
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Gizensha

Or, if anything at all, the wrong lesson, as the apparnet decision that a single failed product in a genre means ‘the genre is dead’ if there are no obvious counter examples for the continued life in the genre.

…Though that holds for films as well as games….

(No, Catwoman didn’t bomb because it was a female lead superhero flick. It bombed because it was an under marketed piece of garbage of a film)

diamond
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diamond

I liked Catwoman actually.

Gizensha
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Gizensha

…Star Wars Prequels and Catwoman.

…Remind me never to look to you for film recommendations… 😉

Ian
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Ian
OK, at the risk of crucifying myself, I didn’t think the Star Wars prequels were terrible. Not great, certainly, but not terrible either. Just… mediocre. In particular, I thought Phantom Menace was actually the best of the prequels (or at least tied with Revenge of the Sith). Yes, Jar Jar and 9-year-old Anakin are two of the worst things to ever be conceived, and yes, it started the trend of Lucas overusing CGI in the prequels… but at least SHIT HAPPENED in it. Attack of the Clones had a handful of good scenes with Obi-Wan and then the battle scene… Read more »
diamond
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diamond
I thought they were legitimately good films, anyone who thinks i’m a moron for liking them can suck my fucking dick. I didn’t hate Jar Jar that much(i’ll take him over the stupid fucking Ewoks) and I thought Lloyd was a decent actor, I feel terrible that kids at his school decided to be complete fucking assholes and harass him nonstop over his role in that film. I thought Portman and Christensen had really good chemistry myself. I thought the CGI looked really really good, I personally never held the original trilogy on pedestal like so many other people did.… Read more »
Ian
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Ian

“Portman and Christensen had really good chemistry myself”

They did, I just found Anakin as a character to be really annoying in Attack of the Clones. (Then again, when I rewatched the whole saga last year, Luke was pretty much the same for most of A New Hope.)

“particularly Return of the Jedi”

SHOTS
FUCKING
FIRED

…nah, man, it’s cool. Everybody’s entitled to their own opinion.

Andrew Barloq
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Andrew Barloq

Yeah, Hayden Christensen’s Anakin was annoying and legitimately fucking creepy in AOTC (the only good bits in that one being the action scenes). For my money, Revenge of the Sith would be a legitimately good movie if not for the poor dialogue. TPM was fun, but it’s incredibly hollow as there is basically no character development (plus, y’know, Jar-Jar).

Ian
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Ian

Yeah, TPM’s lack of character development is probably one of the biggest problems I have with it. (Also, the fact that they introduced Darth Maul – one of the most badass characters in the whole saga – and then just had him stabbed with almost no defense at the end of the film.)

Hardlydan
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Hardlydan

Jar-Jar Binks made the Ewoks look like fucking Shaft!

Gareth
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Gareth

Well unless you watch the deleted scenes of Portman and Christensen from Attack of the Clones which could easily have been shot for teen drama series.

diamond
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diamond

Eh, they seemed fine to me, and I like some teen drama series(One Tree Hill) so I don’t consider that an insult.

Gareth
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Gareth

It wasn’t intended as one but it also isn’t an inaccurate description of those scenes.

HisDivineOrder
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HisDivineOrder
The problem is the people at the top that demanded the game be AAA and paid PLUS DLC didn’t pay with their jobs. They blamed guys below them who blamed guys below them who blamed guys below them. And the trickle down blame game went down to the ground level where people lost their jobs. Not because the executives who decided the game should be marketed like Mighty No 9 before that was a thing… No. It’s because clearly the developers failed somehow. You know they did. Jobs were lost, but no one involved in making the mistakes of marketing… Read more »
Robin Schuhmacher
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Robin Schuhmacher

Regarding the “make the money back SOMEHOW” thing, there are no micro-transactions in the game as of now. Nothing. They are actively refusing to take anybody’s money.

Malidictus
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Malidictus
Frankly, I found Evolve to be a giant pile of toss on release. I’m not sure what people call “tension” but all I ever saw of it was utter, sheer boredom punctuated by brief moments of utter frustration. The game consisted of 90% running around not doing anything, 10% awful, awful combat. The game seemed to expect the monster to “stalk” the hunters as it hunted it, but there never seemed to be a point to picking a fight until you’ve “evolved” all the way up. Otherwise, some tosser will toss a dome and you’re either dead or hurt badly… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

What the game really need was a solid story-driven campaign(which I hear the sequel is going to have).

Robin Schuhmacher
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Robin Schuhmacher

There’s a lot less chasing around and a lot more fighting now, from what I can tell. A good monster player can actually engage the hunters on the landing pad and win – sure, it’s a coin toss at that point, but that’s also an extreme example. But yes, you can engage the hunters on stage 1, and definitely on stage 2.

Malidictus
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Malidictus

That’s good to hear. I’ll have to give Evolve another chance, if that’s the case. Thanks for the write-up.

Sharadufobash
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Sharadufobash

Nice: Jim’s coming back home. Good, the country needs you, mate – we’re going to the dogs here.

London. September, you say? Cool, I’m probably too poor to afford to get in but if you see a guy outside drinking Diamond White cider and molesting stray dogs, say hello.

Brotown
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Brotown

Rickety Cricket?

“I mean..does my neck scar look like a dog’s vagina? Maybe it does…maybe it doesn’t. I dont know. Im not gonna sit here and try to get inside the head of a dog. That’s not my job. That’s Gods.”

…woof woof baby

kripto sporidium
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kripto sporidium

Question : I know I’m gonna get accused of shifting the blame of fanboyism or whatever, but why haven’t you mentioned 2K, the publisher? If you look at most recent 2K-published games, you’ll see they all share the same DLC-riddled state. Just seems a little unfair to dump all the blame on the developers, who have even mentioned on the forums that they were (among other things) forced to charge shockingly high amounts for new characters, after barely convincing 2K people that they shouldn’t also charge for new maps and such.

Kelerak
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Kelerak

Really? That’s weird, considering that 2K has been pretty lenient with how some games have been developed in the past, in spite of the forced multiplayer that had to be done in Spec Ops: The Line.

I guess the Borderlands mentality seeped into more than just Gearbox.

diamond
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diamond

Speaking of which I hope Jim does that episode on Battleborn that he’s been teasing.

ChronosCruiser
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ChronosCruiser

I’m not sure to what extent we can pin the blame solely on 2k as a publisher. We should look at the step above in the corporate ladder and scrutinize the attitudes of Take-Two Interactive as a parent company to 2k.

PassingAtRandom
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PassingAtRandom

I knew Jim would talk about this as soon as i saw the “Evolve stage 2 f2p” on Steam…

Jim Cravat
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Jim Cravat

I remember picking this up on release day and, within a month, feeling like it looked a lot better on paper than in the flesh. A bit like a newspaper ad for a prostitute shaped like your friend’s mum.

ooktar
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ooktar

I’ve never played evolve before until recently when it went free to play and to be honest I dig it. I’m not one for multiplayer games in general but evolve is actually rather fun and it’s free to play model is something that i’m actually into. For the most part you can pretty much unlock just about everything by playing the game and it doesn’t feel super grindy either as they seem pretty generous about the in game currency.

Janio
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Janio

Game retooling and expanded like this make me wonder if there is just way to many multiplayers games out in market. Mabye its the beginning of a marketshift, where you get more bang for your real bucks in skins et cetera. Just patched starwars battlefront for 20gigs and browsed gamemodes, oh no new free content and I just shut down the horrible origin launcher.

Milestone_RP
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Milestone_RP
Well, I’d say at this point we’re at an ABSOLUTE saturation point in the entertainment industry, especially games. You can say there’s “way too many” of a lot of game types out there, especially in the genres/veins of games where everyone cranks out “me too” games to cash in on the success of others. Thing is? Especially on the PC side of things? We have a couple of decades worth of games out there, loads of which are still available on Steam and GoG, and even when the lobbies have been shut down for some of them, fans tend to… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

Yeah, multiplayer games have far more competition on PC, Battlefront very quickly dropped out of the Steam charts entirely despite it’s strong sales, same with Titanfall.

Likewise I don’t see Rainbow Six Siege lasting much longer(especially considering how underwhelming it’s DLC was, instead of actually giving more modes to the game, they just give us more characters that should’ve been in the base game to begin with).

HyperBadger
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HyperBadger
On the whole this can’t help but find this to be a positive move. Sure I bought it on release and yes its a shame I won’t get more as a ‘founder’ but to be fair i’d written off evolve and accepted the loss long ago. Getting riled up about something i’d given up on just isn’t worth it. If it means the game gets a fresh jolt and a few people get some fun out of it then it’s better then it simply gathering dust. Heck I might finally convince a couple of friends to play a game or… Read more »
Scott John Harrison
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Scott John Harrison

When I heard 3,000 keys – I was thinking 3,000 of TF2/CS:GO type keys and I thought that was a pretty good deal.

Dave Dogge
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Dave Dogge

I want my pre-order money back for this piece of shit.

KyoKusagani
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KyoKusagani

We’ll have to see if Turtle Rock studios has the commitment to stick to their guns and provide us a fantastic service like The Witcher 3 x Splatoon;continuously receiving regular content updates and intriguing new maps on a daily basis!

The idea behind the game is solid, yet it’s been hampered ever since launch with oversaturated DLC’s.

I want to see this bold move pay off, let’s hope for the best.

Derek
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Derek

What team did you choose in GO?

SilentPony
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SilentPony

I think MOBA games are doomed from the start. The entire experience is based off a continuous community, and its today’s saturated video game market that’s impossible. Overwatch is riding high now, but before the end of the year it’ll start dropping, and by 2018 it’ll be as popular as TF2, that is to say a small rabid fanbase, but small none-the-less.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

You have to wait a bit to see if any of the people trying it will stay around. See what the numbers say in a month.

Mike Wallace
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Mike Wallace

No, it’s kind of hard to get down from the Bullshit Tree. This is lower on the branches, maybe accessible to people with ladders, but it’s still inconvenient. I give this game maybe 5-6 more months and then TR will shut it down or announce that sequel. They have no idea what they’re doing.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

This brings up something I wanted to see discussed, actually.

Who’s responsible? Who made what decisions that lead it down the hole until it was basically a stillbirth?

Brotown
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Brotown

While I would like to know that as well, I dont think we’ll ever know. Shot callers in suits really dont want to admit a financial colossal fuck up. More often, it’ll be spun as a “market trend learning tool” or some nonsense

Mike Wallace
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Mike Wallace

I feel this is the Lucas-Prequels issue. Someone with a lot of power made a bad decision and everyone was too afraid to challenge them.

diamond
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diamond

Strongly disagree, I think the prequels were pretty damn good and were not “bad ideas” in the least.

I think Evolve was desperately trying to follow in Titanfall’s footsteps(forgetting how quickly it’s player base dropped)

Mike Wallace
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Mike Wallace
Mm, I feel bad for your parents and future children. I’m not sure which came out first, Titanfall or Evolve, but Titanfall was an excellent idea that thought it could carry itself on a 1999 Quake III format where you just sell a multiplayer game and assume everyone will play it for a ridiculous amount of time because they have nothing better to play. Evolve went hardcore on the microtransactions in the face of common sense and reality in the ignorant belief that people would just accept it. It HAD a plan for continued gamer interest unlike Titanfall, but it… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

Why? Because a I like a film you don’t like? LOL butthurt much? Also i’m probably never having kids anyways.

Mike Wallace
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Mike Wallace

“Butthurt” implies I feel anything for your opinion. Really I’m just so sad some people are still morons. And I’m sure “never having kids” is totally a decision you’ve made, and not the consequence of being generally unfuckable.

diamond
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diamond

You’re a moron fuckface, and i’m totally sure you’re parents don’t consider you a complete fucking waste of life who never amounted to anything.

Mike Wallace
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Mike Wallace

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Titanfall was out in March 2014, Evolve in February 2015.

Janio
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Janio

Maybe there is no room and money left for these lobby shooters ? I find steam stats page depressingly stable. Then again never played this game so have no idea of what it is all about. Just seen some gameplays on youtube.

Anton
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Anton

It doesn’t matter if this succeeds or fails in stage 2. Evolve did badly not because of its bad business practices, but because it’s a mediocre game. As long as publishers have a product they know is actually good – or a respected franchise they can exploit – they will drag every penny they can out of us. And, apparently, the majority of us will pay and then tell them thank you.

Brotown
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Brotown
Usually agree with you, Anton..except for this one just slightly. They were the first to really try to push it to the farthest level as far as dlc/preorder overreach (I think). They had preordering available before anyone even saw an in game image, I think it was. They tried to see if they could pull the boulder just a foot higher up the hill, in hopes that the rope wouldnt break. It failed. That being said…agree with you on the game’s mediocrity. I dont think the game should have gone f2p out the door…but it’s value/worth was GREATLY overshot by… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

They did push pre-order culture to its worst… but the sad thing is, they had a pretty good launch in spite of it. It was only once people figured out the game wasn’t great that the player base dropped off.

Nitrium
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Nitrium

Well not quite the very worst. They at least didn’t run an “augment your pre-order” program.

Brotown
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Brotown

I can see why some would think that should win the title of “worst yet”, but to me…that actually didnt bother me that much. It’s weird…i looked at it like stretch goals from kickstarter. Plus, anything preorder ends up as paid dlc anyways which i then just wait for summer or winter sales soooo eh. But i get that that’s what works for me.

The reason why 2K and Evolve currently win “worst” for myself, is cuz again, not even one screenshot haha.

Anton
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Anton

They’re all winners in my book.

Anton
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Anton

I disagree with this episode, in that Jim seems to be

Artie
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Artie
It will be pretty interesting to see how this workd down the line… though I don’t believe Evolve will come back to the spotlight, it could make it survive longer. It all depends on the developers will to keep it interesting with some real meat into it. If this works, we could see more AAA games going the F2Play model. What at the same time scares me are the methods publishers and developpers will find to keep games like this proffitable. I don’t believe selling cosmetics alone will do. But then again, look at the whole industry around CS:GO (… Read more »
Janio
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Janio

Maybe they will ask for “end of live cycle” buy the game version X or you cannot play it anymore methode to make a last try to make money.

Gizensha
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Gizensha

It would certainly be interesting to see ‘f2p until we lock down the features and content, then $60 price tag if you want to keep playing’ tried…