The Jimquisition: Circle Of Strife

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GameStop, it’s time to sit before The Jimquisition and listen to the charges brought before you. Lament, ye sinner, and may God have mercy ‘pon your rotten soul.

Also, your Circle of Life thing is broken bullshit, as is your whole working relationship with the game industry. Shove THAT in your circle.

(Kotaku’s coverage can be found here)

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

Holy shit, Kingdoms of Amalur. It’s been a hot minute, huh?

Jiryn
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Jiryn

I keep trying to get into that game, I want to love it but I can’t.

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

Same. But it just sucks that the devs never had the chance to make a better sequel. That game had a lot of potential, even if it wasn’t great by itself.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

While almost entirely unrelated to this Jim’s point about CEO’s made me remember something. A few years back I used to work for the company that provided the IT support for the New York Stock Exchange. I remember seeing a post once on their intranet from their current CEO stating that year he had to take a million dollar pay decrease. This was presented in a way that implied we should feel sorry for him because this is occurring.

Mauricio
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Mauricio

Poor sob, how he will buy the lamborguini coated on gold now?

Jiryn
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Jiryn

South Park Quote:
“This month he was hoping to have a gold-plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool, but thanks to people downloading his music for free, he must now wait a few months before he can afford it. Come. There’s more. Here’s Britney Spears’ private jet. Notice anything? Britney used to have a Gulfstream IV. Now she’s had to sell it and get a Gulfstream III because people like you chose to download her music for free. The Gulfstream III doesn’t even have a remote control for its surround-sound DVD system.”

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
This policy is absolute lunacy, I agree to that. But when Jim says the pushing of preorders, insurance, and subscriptions is “overwhelming”, I have wonder if there is an entirely different GameStop out there than the chain of stores I visit. Because seriously, it’s not that bad. Unless maybe the very act of someone speaking to you sends you into a panic attack. Clerk: “Will this be all?” Me: “Yep.” Clerk: “Are there any preorders you’d be interested in today?” Me: “Nope.” Clerk: “Ok, your total is…” Is the correct response to being asked about preorders, to start tearing off… Read more »
Jiryn
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Jiryn

You’re supposed to punch the clerk square in the nose, or spritz them with water and tell them bad, no harassing the customers.

diamond
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diamond

Nah the clerks at my store are real nice and non-pushy.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

I do hope you realize I am just being silly

diamond
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diamond

I do

diamond
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diamond

Yeah that’s definitely not true for my local Gamestop at all, the employees have NEVER shoved pre-orders or season passes down my throat. I choose to pre-order games because it’s convenient for me.

Learning about this policy just makes me want to keep on trading my used games into Gamestop to help out the employees since they always treated me really well(they gave me a full refund for that piece of shit Federation Force and the clerks even admitted they thought the game was shit as well).

Jerome Handy
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I think it has to do with the local competition. I’ve got three Gamestops I use, depending on where I’ll be when I want the game. None of them go overboard with this kind of thing. But they’re all strip mall stores, near a supermarket. All of them are near either a major mall, or a Walmart, and they do fine. But two others that are IN the malls, are borderline rabid. Maybe it’s cause they know the customer isn’t gonna go through the mall to come back in, but they’re dedicated to that kind of high pressure tactic. And… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

Yeah the one I go to is at a strip mall that also has several clothing stores attached to it, so they’re never really short on business.

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

You know what? I hadn’t thought about this. I always preferred going into the Game store before it moved inside our new mall but never figured out why. Thanks!

(I had assumed it was because it was the PS2 era and that was more fun.)

diamond
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diamond

I think this is the best generation yet.

Chris
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Chris

We’ve got Eb Games in Australia (i believe is owned by Gamestop), and your service experience changes store to store. I’ve gotten simple transactions, then I’ve gotten what you described (Want a preorder? No? Okay! Your total is…).
BUT THEN… I’ve also received the “Any thing you want to pre order? How about signing up to the eb world card? Subscription to game informer? How about the disc warranty? Only 5 dollars!”
It’s possible Jim experienced the latter I described

MJC
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MJC

And if that’s how these transactions actually played out, nobody would be complaining. But they don’t. Don’t be stupid. Part of this video was how some employees are literally lying to customers about not having a new copy in stock so they can sell a used copy instead.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
I didn’t disagree with the overall video, and I didn’t disbelieve the part where the Circle of Life policy is leading some employees to be dishonest. The only thing I did say about the policy, was that it was lunacy. Don’t call me stupid. All I was pointing out was, in terms of “aggressive pushing” of preorders and such, I’ve never experienced that over many, many years at several different stores. They ask, I say No, and that’s the end of it. I know Jim is prone to exaggeration, but their sales pitch is not “overwhelming”.
Miles Saintborough
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Miles Saintborough

Milage may vary of course. Your store might not be aggressive, but no one can say the same for other stores.

GreenGarden x 5th DD Clone (:
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GreenGarden x 5th DD Clone (:

Gamestop’s tactics are disgusting and I hate how many are saying used games should be banned because of crap like this. Like I get used games for older system, from the Xbox 360 and PS1 that I can’t get from the stores or if it’s the only option for me if it’s to expensive.

Questions, I’ve been hearing about a Xenoblade Chronicle incident with Gamestop, what was it?

THT
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THT

Basically, GameStop would open new copies of Xenoblade Chronicles in order to sell them as used copies for jacked up prices.

BAH!
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BAH!

More than that, they actually had what amounted to a monopoly on the re-print market, so they were able to manipulate the availability and price.

SaburoDaimando
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SaburoDaimando

I wonder how many fans are going to cancel their pre-orders at GameStop because of this.

Also, you’re not holding back when it comes to Kellyanne Conway or Sean Spicer. Who knows how long till you may have to do a Jimquisition about….UGGH, President Trump.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

The day that happens is the day I pull my Patreon funding.

Bloodycrow
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Bloodycrow

How much do you donate?

Cause I’d pick up your slack if he ever felt things dropped that low or was important enough for him to.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

It’s not that I don’t feel Jim’s pain, it’s that I donate to him because there are no other gaming sources left that I feel are trustworthy.

Political opinions aren’t an issue as long as there’s still a weekly Jimquisition. If the channel reaches the point where JQs are delayed due to scheduling conflicts with political content, or God forbid, a JQ that *is* a political video, it’ll cease to be a gaming channel.

I’ll drop a PM when it’s time to add $1 to your pledge:)

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

But he isn’t a political pundit it’s never going to happen. The one time Jim did cover something along those lines it was within the spectrum of gaming.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

I never implied he was, I was merely elaborating on why I dislike the idea of a Jimquisition about Trump. Well, unless he does something that affects gaming.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Knowing Trump, sooner or later he’ll do something that will affect gaming.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t seem him wasting time on that.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

I see a 50% that he’ll do (he has wasted time in even more meaningless stuff), and 50% that it will be just part of the collateral damage (like import taxes increasing the price of new games).

diamond
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diamond

Trump cares more about trying to please the GOP then anything else, and video games are pretty fucking low on the list of priorities for both dems and repubs.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Surely all those tweets are GOP approved, aren’t they?

diamond
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diamond

I heard some members of congress are actually afraid of getting mentioned in his tweets.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

You didn’t but isn’t really much logic to why you’re suggesting Jim is likely to start making vids on the subject.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

I’m suggesting no such thing. Read the OP, and a few follow up remarks.

There is a subset of the audience that wouldn’t mind a political pundit Jim. I was merely stating that I’m a backer, and that I’m in it purely for a weekly, game related Jimquisition.

Salador
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Salador

Doesn’t a ‘Trump’s actions are negatively affecting video games’ episode, if it were to be the case (and the case has already been made that protectionism and travel bans have done/will do so, by Colin Moriarty of all people) meet the criteria of games related?

I despise Trump, but I kinda agree that I wouldn’t like to see Jim delay his current content schedule and abandon his area of expertise, video games, just to join the legion of Trump bashers. But, if he can bash Trump while still making the Jimquisitions we all know and love, then I’m all for it.

Gurphardt
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> God forbid, a JQ that *is* a political video,

Uh, well, y’see…

MJC
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MJC

PM me too, if two of us pick up your slack that means Jim will make MORE money than he was before you pulled your funding. 🙂

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I suspect the day will be never.

diamond
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diamond

Not too many i’d wager, this news could actually make people want to pre-order more if they happen to like the employees at their local store because they feel compelled to help them out.

Mitchell
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Mitchell

People who follow the industry closely enough to read/hear this story should have enough sense to never pre-order anything in the first place.

keironsmith123
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Don’t have Gamestop in England but we do have the lovely Game who are just assholes, a while back i was buying a game what was new (i never buy used anymore because i get OCD over used games) and it just so happend to be on offer what meant it was actually cheaper then the used version, the guy at the till still tried to sell me the used version and when i said the new one was cheaper he then tried to make out that was a mistake, what he didn’t know was i knew the manager at… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I only go into Game now as potential source for 3DS streetpass hits.

diamond
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diamond

Total Biscuit once worked at GAME and he had to work the Wii launch all by himself because his manager bailed on him.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

And he had a 3DS on him in sleep mode at the time?

Chris
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Chris

You know game tried to enter the Australian market? I saw exactly one but it died out completely.

diamond
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diamond

From what Yahtzee said there were quite a few Game stores near him in Brisbane.

SHODANbeta
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SHODANbeta

As a wise friend once said: Working at Gamestop is like handing out napkins at a masturbatorium.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t get it.

Nobody's Fanboy
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Nobody's Fanboy

That’s a pretty wild swing. About 10 years ago I had a friend in a different chain that showed me their distributor sheets and it had new games at pretty standard markup…$15-$18 for a $60 game, and then a couple years later…I want to say 2014 or so…a different friend with an independent store showed me one of his sheets, it’d jumped to $49.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

It sounds to me like development costs are out of control, then.

That means that if digital distribution hadn’t come along and help hide the fact that the markup was non existent, the industry would have failed a long time ago.

Nobody's Fanboy
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Nobody's Fanboy

The “Hollywood Blockbuster” mentality certainly hasn’t helped, no.

But I can’t help but wonder what the unit costs for for marketing, publisher overhead, and general management bloat are, even just as a fraction of dev costs.

Dallium
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Dallium

If I need to buy a recent physical game, I go to Best Buy. I can spend the reward points on shit I actually care about (if not exactly need) and they keep sending my $10 gift cards every other month

diamond
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diamond

I get a good discount with my Power-Up Rewards Pro membership combined with all the used games I have to trade in(which Best Buy does not accept) and the occasional.

I never buy games from Best Buy as their selection is not too good and the employees tend to not be very knowledgeable about games unlike the employees at my local Gamestop.

Richard Fleming
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Richard Fleming

Last time I step foot in a GameStop was to pickup my Guild Wars 2 CE. Had no choice in the matter, sadly.

Alan Baxter
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Alan Baxter

One thing that makes me laugh about this lawsuit is that if it does ever go to trial (and I hope it doesn’t – wouldn’t wish that on anyone) is that there is going to be a courtroom full of people who are going to have to sit down, in all seriousness, and watch episodes of The Jimquisition. The idea of Jim having to explain the cornflake homunculus to an entire courtroom is somewhat amusing.

Mauricio
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Mauricio

Mister Sterling…one of your segments in your show seems to be called…the bogling watch? Care to elaborate in the matter?

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Open his Youtube channel and go to playlists and well open the Boglinwatch videos.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

Would the defendant like to present their case?

*Jim stands up, walks to the center of the courtroom. Erasure’s Chains of Love starts playing from somewhere… everywhere at once. Suddenly a dildo bat is in his hands. He starts dancing. Articles of clothing are flying off him. Women and children are gasping, shrieking. As the song comes to a close, Jim collapses, fully nude, sweaty and panting. With a gesture, hidden air cannons spray hundreds of near mint pogs on to his prone form. Jim’s lawyer clears his throat.*

We rest our case.

09philj
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09philj

“How do you find the defendant?”
“Sexually irresistible, your honour.”

Benj
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Benj

Jim swearing in:

“I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth… thank God for me”

Fallen Prime
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Fallen Prime

He will be represented in the courtroom by Miniature Fantasy Willem Dafoe. And he will win him an innocent verdict. Not “not guilty,” INNOCENT. MFWD is that good.

MJC
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MJC

Don’t forget about the POG Fucker!

HelixShade
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HelixShade

I’ve been keeping up on the DigiHom Lawsuit since I first heard about this. I’m still rooting for you to come out on top of this Jim…though I keep hoping each day the case simply gets thrown out because of the Romines wasting everyone’s time.

However, this ought to make your day a bit brighter. A Reddit user found a very familiar stamp at the top of Page 1. I can’t link the post, but I can show you the image.

Suck it, DigiHom.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/210c17cda3bbb41cd7d673933741f2295001bc9d05073430afe8273189947eb7.png

RedWolf
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RedWolf

Please, oh please let this be the nail in their coffin.

Dibella
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Dibella

Naw, that’s just a procedural error, all it means is that some 70+ court clerk with a chip on her shoulder didn’t like how it was filed, so they’ll have to re-file it.

Salador
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Salador
Seems to me that a simple solution would be for Gamestop to offer a cut of preowned sales to publishers in exchange for a higher cut of new sales. Or to just go full pre-owned. In any case this is just a stupid policy which just makes going to their stores a horrible experience, and it shows that the big management guys are so disconnecte from both the consumers’ desires and the boots on the ground experience of their own workforce. Think about how much business has just walked out of Gamestop because of the forced pushiness of salespeople, and… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I personally blame publishers for starting this whole thing, but I agree a compromise would be nice.

MJC
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MJC

Publishers started this? Citation needed.

diamond
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diamond

They started it when they took 95% of the revenue from sales of new games, it was only after that when used games started being pushed. Publishers have always had a boogeyman to blame, first it was game rentals, then piracy, and now used games.

SilentPony
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SilentPony

I once stubbed my toe in Bowling Green. #GetRidOfEveryoneNotLikeME

Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown

I remember the tragedy of Bowling Green, all those people stampeding to get their copies of Battleborn. Such a senseless waste, didn’t they know that there would be plenty of copies and that it would have such a rich, long life as a game? There was no need to rush!

Doublep
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Doublep

All nice, but the day in which Gamestop will fail, die, or change business model, will be a very sad one, as when the corporations will have exclusive rights on the distribution of their games, we will all be pretty much fucked. No used games, no sales to compete with the used games market, entire libraries of games bought for 60 dollars that disapper as soon as the console we play them on is a bit old…

…also, Hors d’oeuvre?

diamond
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diamond

Yeah, it’s because of that that I will continue to support my local Gamestop store for as long as I live(or as long as they live) as the employees have always treated me very well.

MJC
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MJC

Because GameStop is definitely both the only store where you can buy new physical copies AND the only way you can sell old games for money. Amazon, Walmart, Best Buy, Target, Newegg, Kmart, local non-chain stores, eBay, Craigslist, Glyde, and more don’t exist. If GameStop goes under it’s all digital because there are literally no other stores to shop at.

Doublep
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Doublep

Well, it’s not the fall of Gamestop in general (which at this point would be well deserved), but the fact that selling brand new physical copies of games is “bad business”.
While the Gamestop politcs are still awful, and there are better distributors to go to, if the numbers are those told by Jim (2 dollars profit on a 60 dollars game), you can imagine physical copies disappearing very fast, no matter the shop, and without physical copies there are no used games…

diamond
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diamond

I don’t see physical games vanishing that quickly.

SilentPony
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SilentPony

So that means Steam is Unicron huh? Harvesting publishers to serve as its new army, and one by one eating away at the Console market.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

With GOG as Optimus Prime?

SilentPony
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SilentPony

Actually I think GOG is the Junkions. Getting old rusted stuff up and running, jerryrigging things, and overall bring the old back to life.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

That works too I guess ^^

MJC
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MJC

Except GOG has new stuff as well if the publishers aren’t total dickheads that insist on DRM. Always check GOG before you buy, they might have it too and then you can get it DRM free and not support Valve and their bullshit.

Gaealiege
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Gaealiege

Praise be in Jim’s name. May GOG sap all the *clears throat* Steam from the online gaming market.

RuRiK_87
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RuRiK_87

God, thank you for giving us this lovable teddy bear of a man.

John Hagg
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John Hagg

I wonder what kind of profit a business like Amazon makes off the sale of game hard copies. I know I certainly prefer to shop there rather than a brick and mortar like Gamestop.. course being on a base overseas its that only place I can shop. Also Jim, chin up on the lawsuit.. can’t wait to see what real life Mysterio does to those pair.

diamond
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diamond

Not me, Amazon is sometimes late in shipping new releases and there’s always the risk of them getting damaged in the mail, plus they treat their employees FAR worse then Gamestop does.

Gendreavus
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Gendreavus
This is exactly the reason I switched to Best Buy for online shopping. Shipping is free on orders over $50 (without having to pay for any subscription service), and they ship it so it arrives on launch day. I’ve had good experiences with preordering from Costco as well, though you need a membership and their selection isn’t great, so I’ve only been able to do it twice. They charge for shipping, but they actually sell the games so much cheaper than MSRP that it’s still under cost. GameStop has their market share because the word ‘Game’ is in their name.… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I disagree on that, games are cheaper for me at Gamestop because i’ve always got older games to trade in and I have a Powerup Rewards Pro membership which gets me a discount, and I also redeem my points for the occasional coupon, so all of that combined saves me quite a bit of money, free shipping from Best Buy on orders for over 50 dollars sounds like a major rip-off to me in comparison.

Gendreavus
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Gendreavus

I guess that might change things if you like to trade games in. I dont, I’ve regretted every trade-in I’ve ever done, so free shipping or under-MSRP preorders are as good as it gets for me. Even so, you’d be surprised to find how many places will take your used games at or above Game Stop’s prices.

I’m not saying DON’T use Game Stop if it makes enough financial sense that you can ignore the uglier side of their business, I just want people to know their options.

Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown
Thank God for Jim on this one. This is one of the best episodes he’s done in a while. I’ve not shopped in a Gamestop for years because of this exact issue. I still remember the last time I went to one, I called in advance on launch day to see if they had any copies of a game that my local big box stores weren’t bothering to carry. I was told ‘yeah, we have it’ and so I drove in. The store was five minutes away, and it wasn’t a particularly busy day. But when I got there, a… Read more »
diamond
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diamond
I still prefer Gamestop because Target and Walmart’s game selection is pitiful and the employees are nowhere near as knowledgeable about games as Gamestop’s are. My store never tried to push pre-orders on me or anything like that and they’ve never lied to me about not having certain games in stock. I can’t afford to buy all my games digitally(otherwise i’d be broke ten times over) I save money by trading in my used games for new ones. There’s actually a Forbes article that suggests the Kotaku article was exaggerated:http://www(DOT)forbes(DOT)com/sites/erikkain/2017/02/02/rumors-of-gamestops-terrible-circle-of-life-program-may-be-overblown/#54a188fe3fb0 I find it bitterly ironic when people say they prefer… Read more »
MJC
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MJC

Forbes is wrong. It’s impossible to dispute the Reddit thread where GameStop employees are literally sharing tips with each other about how to keep their numbers up.

diamond
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diamond

Forbes is not wrong, because it has actual quotes from Gamestop employees(i’m guessing you didn’t read the whole thing).

Tolrag
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Tolrag

Forbes has one quote, from one store manager but claims that the Kotaku article (with nearly a hundred accounts from employees) is “complete nonsense”.

MrInsecure
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MrInsecure

I read the amended complaint by Mr. Romine, and all I can say is that I don’t see how this lawsuit can go forward, especially if his sole means of establishing personal jurisdiction is a token donation he made for the specific purpose of establishing jurisdiction.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

Is the Zombie Jar Jar Boglin an allegory for Gamestop?

Appretaur
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Appretaur

I remember in the past Jim had the perspective that people were wrong when they claimed that Gamestop was the root of a lot of the rest of the entire game industry’s woeful patterns and behavior. Or something like that (did I even get that right?)… I wonder how that relates to this story.

diamond
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diamond

Jim still believes that, they are certainly not the root of all evil in the industry.

Miles Saintborough
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Miles Saintborough

Gamestop should just become a used games store and/or digital download distributor.

Imp Emissary
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Imp Emissary

Why don’t they?

Couldn’t they just keep taking in games from customers and selling them alongside the non-game merchandise?

Or can they only do that with games they already sold?

Anyway, Thanks for the great show, Jim!
Bless you for also remembering the Bowling Green Massacre. I’m sure Kellyanne would appreciate it. ;D

Thank God for you, Jim. =w= b

Gennadios
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Gennadios

From the sound of it they already are a used game store.

I don’t know the situation in rural areas without access to broadband, but in my area Gamestop is primarily a pokemon game/console hardcopy distributor, everyone interested in digital distribution already has a preferred service.

The digital distribution marketplace has enough established competition that even with name recognition, Gamestop would need to invest alot of money for it to take off, and I get the impression that they don’t have alot of money.

Miles Saintborough
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Miles Saintborough

Yeah, but I’m saying enough with the pretenses and just go full pre owned.

MM
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MM

Reminds me of that Disney’s song.. ‘it’s the Ciiiircle of Strife.” …

09philj
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09philj

GAME isn’t the best game shop in the world, but the employees are actually encouraged to, you know, help customers.

galactix100
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galactix100

It’s been a while since I’ve been in a branch of game but I’ve never had them try to pressure me into buying pre-orders, used games or fucking magazine subscriptions

diamond
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diamond

From what Total Biscuit said on Mailbox, that’s EXACTLY what the Game store he worked in pressured him into doing.

Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown

And remember folks, your anecdotal evidence is worthless and your opinions are wrong if a big name YouTuber disagrees or has ever said otherwise.

diamond
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diamond

Not really no, just saying it’s not a U.S. only thing like some people seem to believe it is. Are you doubting that TB’s story is true.

I never your evidence was “worthless” or anything like that or that your “opinion was wrong”, not sure where on earth you got that from.

galactix100
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galactix100

I’m not saying it’s not a thing at Game. It’s been years since I last went into a branch of Game and bought something. All I’m saying is in the numerous times I’ve bought something from Game before I just ordered stuff online I never once experienced any of the stuff Jim discussed in any way shape or form.

diamond
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diamond

Well it’s the same case for me with my local Gamestop, they’ve never aggresively tried to push pre-orders on me or anything like that.

Scott John Harrison
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Scott John Harrison

We had gamestops up here in Newcastle but they went bankrupt like 75% of HMVs last decade.

The reason Gamebis good is simple competition. Game competes with CEX and Grainger Games (Not sure how regional that is.) in used games and Grainger Games, Argos, toys r us and amazon on new games.

09philj
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09philj

I always get the impression that Grainger Games and CEX’s stock might have been nicked out of the back of a truck. Not that I mind, it’s cheap and convenient.

GreenGarden x 5th DD Clone (:
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GreenGarden x 5th DD Clone (:

I remember before it closed down, the people who worked at the GAME near me were the nicest.

diamond
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diamond

Not from Total Biscuit’s own experience working at one, his manager bailed and left him to run the store all by himself on the day of the Wii launch.

MJC
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MJC

That doesn’t disprove the claim that GAME employees are encouraged to help customers. That just proves that TB’s manager was a prick.

diamond
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diamond

TB actually had a few funny stories involving customers at Game, one lady bought two really shitty games(Crazy Frog Racer and Smarties Meltdown) new, then she tried to return them saying they did not work, TB did not believe her since both games were sealed copies, but his manager insisted on giving her a refund. Another customer tossed a PSP case(one of those hard plastic ones) at his head after they were unable to buy it with a copy of Outrun, TB managed to duck in time and the PSP case ended up smashing the glass behind the desk.

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