The Jimquisition: How Consoles Broke The ‘Play Now’ Promise

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After spending almost an entire day downloading Mafia III on the PS4, I’m compelled to reflect on how consoles are lying inferior machines that properly fucked up.

A harsh reflection, perhaps, but a bloody true one. Their makers consider themselves in competition with PC, so they’re asking for some harsh home truths.

Anton
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Anton

PS network has the worst download speeds. It’s bad enough that I never buy games on it any more, even the games that I WOULD prefer to play in the living room.

Also, when Jim says “Mafia” it sounds like “Muffia” and for some reason that’s funny to me.

Michael Prymula
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Yeah I was always skeptical about that function.

SilentPony
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SilentPony

So…yeah. Turns out the new Console Generation was a complete load of fuck, sold on lies, gimmicks and hyper from journalism sites, and now a few years in the curtain has fallen to reveal the rotting corpse of putrefied fuck that it truly was.

09philj
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09philj

Now come on, the 3DS is good, New 3DS fuck up aside.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

The 3DS was basically a prototype of the N3DS. That aside, I think the N3DS is pretty kick ass but I was one who waited & didn’t buy the 3DS.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Or has it? Most console owners still seem oblivious to this; and most of the people who point out the problems were expecting them since beforehand.

Michael Prymula
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not really no, like Gavin Dunne has said, we are truly spoiled in terms of games.

SilentPony
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SilentPony
Its not about being spoiled for choice, its about every promise made was blatantly untrue or has been reneged because it was too hard to implement. Motion Controls? Out the window. Improved Graphics? Nope, too hard to program and we need cross-console compatibility so no one version of a game outsells another. New IP? Nope, endless series of remasters and collector editions. Improved Loading times? See Jim’s video. Backwards compatibility? Not on any game worth buying again for full price. Better pricing now that CDs are no longer needed? Nope, $60 each and every day with no decrease over time.… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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I never gave a shit about motion controls anyways, so I truly could not care less. I think graphics are quite a bit better actually. I don’t care that much about new I.P.s, as long as games are still entertaining I couldn’t give less of a fuck if they are part of an existing IP Xbox One has plenty of great 360 games that are BC, hell I got free download codes for all 4 Gears games with my purchase of Gears 4, plus Fallout 4 and Just Cause 3 came with free copies of Fallout 3 and Just Cause… Read more »
Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
The digital download speeds are ridiculous, and I’m hoping the Pro and Scorpio address this, at least on the consumer side. Both companies could do more to improve their servers, though Xbox servers seem a little better, perhaps because MS originally wanted to run games partially from the servers this gen. Of course, the PC’s better download speeds are just hiding the underlying problems. No more compression, obscenely large day one patches, and so on. However, I don’t mind the need to install itself, since games just got too huge to play from the disc. And installing from disc is… Read more »
Absolutfreak
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Take a spin around any article talking about indie games (or Nintendo) on a site like IGN, and you’ll see that console gamers care plenty about graphics.

Anton
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Anton

Only when their console is better.

Chaltab
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Chaltab

Console *warriors* care about graphics. I doubt the majority of consumers even know the PS4 has more gigaflops than XBOX1.

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

Minecraft end of discussion lol
But I remember critics asking why are MS selling their console in teraflops as it not an accurate way to measure a console power .

Janio
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Janio

I remember critics saying Steam OS will be way better the Microsoft. Now I nolonger take there wishdoms with pince of salt.

Michael Prymula
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I know that and I don’t care, sometimes Xbox One versions of games are superior to PS4 ones, cause sometimes they come with free copies of last-gen games(I.E. Just Cause 3, Fallout 4).

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

I grew up with consoles & my last console was a Wii. I opted out of this generation because it pretty much went full retard. Sony & Microsoft going on about “HARDWARE, GRAPHICS, MULTIPLAYER, MICROTRANSACTIONS, DLC! DUR HUR DUR!” & Nintendo’s sitting in the corner playing with it’s Wii U, feeling sorry for itself.

This whole thing started with the 360 & PS3, when Microsoft marketing HD as “The Future of Gaming”. Man, what a bright future we live in now, huh?

Michael Prymula
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This generation is pretty awesome, like Gavin Dunne has said, we’ve really been spoiled with great games this gen.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

Besides Bloodborne, Witcher 3 & Dark Souls 3 as well as a few Indie & Nintendo titles I honestly don’t see a lot of “great” games coming from the “AAA” market. Mostly subpar or average ones that are just appealing to the masses with repetitive meaningless tasks & milking them dry with DLC & MT’s. Even worse is that last years GOTY from most standards was MGS:V, a game that wasn’t even fucking finished. Sorry, but if an unfinished product is the new GOTY material then that’s some low fucking standards.

Michael Prymula
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I think there’s lots more- Fallout 4, Watch Dogs, Just Cause 3, GTA V, Shadow Warrior, Dead Rising 3, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Sunset Overdrive, Halo 5, Homefront Revolution, Quantum Break, The Division, Battleborn, Technomancer, Mirror’s Edge Catalyst, Mafia 3, Killzone Shadow Fall, Uncharted 4, Infamous Second Son, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Doom, Gears 4, Wolfenstein New Order, Borderlands Pre Sequel, Far Cry 4, Black Ops 3, Ghosts, Advanced Warfare, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Gravity Rush, D4, Destiny(at least one Taken King came out), Evil Within, Resident Evil Revelations 2, Metal Gear Solid V, Tales from the Borderlands, Re-Core,… Read more »
Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

All the games you just mentioned I would consider average, mediocre or subpar. Also, nearly all of the games you mentioned are either 3rd or 1st person shooters or action style games, those of which I am sick & tired of because they’re so commonplace nowadays, literally a dime a dozen.

Michael Prymula
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Well that’s just your opinion, lots of people and myself love those games, personally i’m not a big Witcher or Souls fan.

I love shooters and action games and no they are not “dime a dozen”

Being common is not a bad thing at all.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

And I bet lots of people think they’re lame & over saturating the market, as well.

Michael Prymula
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giving by how well they’ve sold, those people are a minority.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

You can’t really count statistics on people who don’t buy a product so whether they are a minority or not is really more of an unknown. You also can’t take the majority seriously since 90% of them are idiots.

Michael Prymula
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Calling the majority “idiots” only makes you look an arrogant asshole.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

If the majority wasn’t idiots then the AAA market wouldn’t be catering to them like they’re a bunch of 9 year olds.

Michael Prymula
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It is not you fucking idiot, you sound like a 12 year old.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

And yet, you’re the one throwing the tantrum.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

B-but Doom… XCom…

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
Not to the same degree PC gamers care. Console users “prefer” 60fps, they “prefer” 1080p… but they don’t demand it, not generally. Most of them just want the game to run at a consistently smooth framerate (no stuttering or lag), and to have a good looking aesthetic. And if you get into more complex graphical considerations, like anti-aliasing or field of view, their eyes gloss over. As long as it doesn’t look bad, then it’s good enough. Like someone else said, the most often you’ll hear console users talk up graphics, is in comparison to another console. Mostly for bragging… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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Some game installs on PC actually took longer for me then anything I installed on my Xbox(I.E. Alpha Protocol took several hours to download on Steam)

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

Yep try downloading WOW that’s an big ass long download.

Chaltab
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Chaltab

How many is several? Several hours for an 11GB game does seem a bit excessive.

Michael Prymula
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about three or four hours, can’t recall any game I ever installed on my consoles taking that long.

Coldar
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Coldar
One thing not mentioned where consoles have the advantage..? And yes, this will probably get me a lot of hate: Trophy/achievements. Now, I get Steam has that too – its too new, PCs are too volatile… I have zilch confidence that data will still be linked to me, much less current with new games, in ten years time. Why trophies? Because that shit *matters* – I’ve been gaming a *loooooooong* time. Since I was four, when my mom had to read the text dialogues to me. I’m 32 now. Some people can’t tell you what they had for breakfast yesterday.… Read more »
Thanatos
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Thanatos

Huh? Steam achievements are tied to your account, and they’ve been around for over 5 years. And the other digital distribution places like GoG and Origin have them too.

There is nothing more “permanent” about your Xbox Live account vs your Steam account.

Anton
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Anton

If one wanted to be nitpicky, one could point out that Steam achievements don’t activate if the Steam overlay happens to be off.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

And Playstation achievements never get synced to your account if you never log in online…………………..so? Steam achievements work in offline mode.

Coldar
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Coldar
Tied to your account, yes – what I meant is that PC gaming is hardly some monolithic, overriding platform for achievements. You can buy a game on Steam, or retail, or probably many competitors to Steam – and, I assume, only if you pay and play on Steam is your progress tracked and tied to one personal account. But more importantly, five years… great…? My point was/is Steam is far from stable or guaranteed moving forward. A competitor could rise tomorrow, they could get sold, or simply alter/remove achievements completely. PS and MS both are controlling of their achievement infrastructure… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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Yeah people are getting real sick of Steam allowing any hack with a computer to publish a “game” which is little more then a collection of stolen Unity assets, getting a game on Steam used to mean something, now it means nothing. It took Steam way too long to kick Digital Homicide off, and there’s still dozens of devs that are just as terrible that are still around.

There has never been a console game as bad as anything DH has released.

Anton
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Anton

Now, if only the “achievements” meant something.

These days, the achievements in an average game are:

“Congrats, you found the main menu!”
“Completed mandatory training level!”
“You did that other thing we forced you to do!”
“Way to go, you died!”

Most achievements make me think that the people creating them were using the word “achieve” in a purely sarcastic sense.

Also Steam has the same exact trophies as console games.

Michael Prymula
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I feel like achievement mean something, I enjoy getting some of them.

Stormbringer
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Maybe artists are angry about Sony’s supposedly mandating use of the things. I know I’d be. Those infernal pop-ups are antithetical to everything art stands for.

Coldar
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Coldar
Yeah, no, absolutely – devs often dick around with them. A few times you’ll find stuff like that; or worse still, trophies forced on some visual novel/walking simulator that totally should *NOT* have achievements – but even so, I’d rather a few games that shouldn’t have them do so, than be faced with possibly many games I love -not- having them when it is up to devs whether or not to include them. For example, beyond the Wii-U sucking hardcore, the main reason mine collects dust is I’m just not getting involved in a game I’m not deeply passionate about… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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I totally get that, I was sad when I lost my first gamertag due to my 360 failing(had been gaming on the 360 for four years since 2006 that point)so I had to get a brand-new gamertag, but i’ve had it for six years now and i’m amazed at seeing how many games i’ve completed.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

Was it not an Xbox Live gamertag? Because otherwise the tag should of been recoverable, even if the game save data was not.

Michael Prymula
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no it was just a normal tag, I didn’t get Xbox Live until I got better internet years later.

Stormbringer
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The system has to be able to stream 1080p video. It sounds like maybe it took as long to download the game as it would’ve taken to watch it if it was all video. It sounds crazy that games are that large, but it feels about right. I think I almost don’t play games anymore, because when I see Gigabytes, it just freaks me out. It’s too much of a commitment. In a true streaming model, you wouldn’t have all those Gigabytes just squatting on your harddrive, because they’d be gone when you are done, or only the data around… Read more »
Jiryn
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Jiryn
As I said in a reply. The XB1 Scorpio is NOT a new generation, just an interim upgrade. The system is still part of the XB1 family, and will play every game the XB1 can, and will have no to very few exclusive games… kind of like the New 3DS handheld. (Nintendo really needs to work on their naming conventions and branding) There still will be a new generation, starting with the NX. Generations are traditionally 5-6yrs in length, with the only consoles not falling into this pattern are the Dreamcast and NX. The NX coming out just a few… Read more »
Thanatos
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Thanatos

Yeah, just like the new 3DS is just an interim upgrade? Different hardware means someone could make a game that only runs on Scorpio, just like there’s games that only run on a new 3DS.

That means a new hardware gen.

Chaltab
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Chaltab

It really doesn’t. A marginal upgrade to hardware using the same architecture, controllers, and OS doesn’t constitute a new generation.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Thank you!

Nobody's Fanboy
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Nobody's Fanboy

Exactly. The world’s simplest litmus test for “Is it a new generation?”: Can the current system play
the new system’s games?

If yes, it’s a mid-cycle upgrade…which is
nothing new, they’ve been doing it since the NES days, usually to take
advantage of cheaper or better refined components, but occasionally also
for a small performance boost.

If no, it’s a new generation.

The only place where semantics games come into play is stuff like the 32X, where it can’t play games by itself but the system it piggy backs on can’t play its games without it.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Is it even possible to have a new generation?

I think we have reached a point where the tech is Costing the manufactures such a daft amount of money to create, yet it only makes a minimal amount of difference.
It’s not a wise buisness move to sink so much into something they have no way back from, it seems far to risky from my point of view.

Chaltab
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Chaltab

Eh… Recently, nVidia and AMD have come out with newer cards that are super cheap for their level of power. I mean I still think we’re a good five or six years away from a real new generational leap in consoles, but I don’t think it’s impossible.

Anton
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Anton

I think that if MS and Sony stick to requiring that any new game be playable on XB1 or PS4, then we are a long way away from anything resembling a generational shift.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Yeah tech and time love each other. Who knows, certainly not me lol

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Very easily.
The next gen will be a leap in hardware with exclusive games that cannot be played on the previous/older hardware.. simple as that.

Basically, take the highest end computer we have right now, which is what.. 2x, 3x a PS4, maybe more, maybe less.. and make that the standard.. with games that run base 4k, 30-60FPS, which for the most part cannot run on the PS4/XB1.

Though, overlap is insane this gen. I’ve never seen the previous gen hang on so long, with so many simultaneous releases.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Fair point.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

I wouldn’t hold the architecture or OS as the differentiating factors. That’s like saying Apple didn’t make a new iPad generation because the old one could upgrade iOS versions.

Jiryn
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Jiryn
As Chaltab said, it’s not a full new generation. Their will be very few, if any, Scorpio exclusive games.. Microsoft and Sony even said all games released from her on out will be playable on both consoles with no exclusives, how long that will hold true is another story. The DSi was another interim generation/upgrade. It had a handful of exclusive games for the system and was marginally more powerful than the DS/DS Lite, but the true next handheld generation was the 3DS. Both Sony and Microsoft have said that the Pro and Scorpio are part of their current gen… Read more »
Thanatos
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Thanatos
The Playstation 2 was a new generation despite running all PS1 games while people continued to make PS1 games. Nintendo can say whatever they want because they constantly lie about this. They said the DS wasn’t replacing the GBA, they said the 3DS wasn’t replacing the DS (and both were backwards compatible). Yet we all know what happened. If there is ANY game made that is Scorpio only, it’s a new generation. That’s the definition of a new generation – hardware that runs exclusive games. Microsoft has also been quite cagy in their denials of Scorpio exclusive games, and why… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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They wouldn’t be stupid enough to make exclusive games for it, they’ve been very clear that they will not do that.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

Microsoft has been very clear about a lot of things over the years that turned out to not be true.

Michael Prymula
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Scorpio is mainly for people that want 4K quality, it’s not a brand new console, it’s merely an upgraded version of an existing one, so it having exclusives is what would truly make no sense from a business perspective, as the last console upgrade to try that-the Sega 32 X, was trashed mercilessly and quickly forgotten, and i’m sure MS does not want to be remembered alongside that failure of a console.

Microsoft has been outselling Sony for the past three months, there’s no way they’re going to risk blowing that momentum.

Locuas
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I see you mentioned TWO EA games, Jim. Thus the logical conclusion is that you made this video… as a way to attack EA before Battlefield 1 came out to hurt it’s sales, since you hate the game
. WHY DO YOU HATE PERFECTION SO MUCH BATTLEFIELD1 IS SUCH ANOBJECTIVELY 11/10 GAME THAT I KNOW THAT EVEN BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED

Bashtarle
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Bashtarle

So pretty much everything I’ve been observing since the original Xbox. It has been one hell of a toboggan ride.

goodbyejojo
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goodbyejojo

i dont know why but the cobra theme song from the gi joe movie seems fitting for a pc master race theme

aimei66
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aimei66

Forget mobile, it seems the games industry itself is the biggest risk to console gaming!

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I think pre-order culture is to blame for a lot of this behavior actually. Sony doesn’t care because they have 2 extra days to install before the game even works, so the user doesn’t notice unless they are paying attention. Microsoft may be the same way. Publishers don’t care because there are no more hard data limits, and digital downloads are “supposed” to have already happened by launch day. Why bother taking the effort and manpower to make games as small as possible when you can just patch in the files the console wouldn’t let you include in the store/disc… Read more »
Haha, no
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Haha, no

Not that it matters to them if we notice, because they’ve got your money already.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

The moment the AAA market stopped compressing their games I started laughing. 60GB downloads as far as the eye can see. They could easily cut that in half, but nope. They don’t give a shit anymore. Throw a virus or two in their while your at it.

Frank
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Frank

Amen Brother.
Even if you are setting the game up from a Blue Ray Disc it often takes an obscene amount of time.That and the massive hunger for
gigs coupled with the ridiculously undersized hard drives disgruntled me a lot with the new console generation.
Seems every big expactacion has got to be disapointed.
Remembers me of time, when the CD-ROM arrived and we thought that with all this amount of space on it, the need for massive installations would be something from the past.
Oh how young and naive we where back then.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley
Yeah, nail on the head really. I would disagree that the Scorpio proves that console generations are shorter as that’s scheduled to come out in 2017 which is 4 years after, remember we did have a monstrous last generation and it was the PS2 that came out before that remember. The ps2 is so popular that people would have happily kept playing it until the games litterally exploded it, so that being an unusually long cycle was explained by its mind blowing popularity. I like where Microsofts going with the one I really do. I litterally have hundreds of games… Read more »
Jiryn
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Jiryn

Um, Scorpio is not a new generation.
It’s still an Xbox One, and part of the XB1 console.

It’s an interim upgrade to try and chase the 4K fad, kind of like when they chased the Motion Control, and VR fads.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

I didn’t say it was a new generation…. Jim did.

That’s a very cynical view of it, the PS4 pro looks like an interim upgrade and The Xbox one S Despite it being the best console on the market at the moment.
But the Scorpio, if Microsoft keep their promises, will be a large upgrade.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Eh, I don’t see where the XB1S Is the best console on the market.
I like it more than the original XB1, but I am still more fond of the PS4. (Yes, I was one of the people who traded up from my XB1 to S)

As for the Scorpio, yea it’s supposedly going to be a significant upgrade.. but Microsoft is also on record saying that unless you have a 4K television, there is no point in purchasing the console.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley
Yeah that was a very daft thing to say. We all know the power difference between the two will show even if you don’t own a 4K tv. You don’t know how much you miss anti aliasing until it’s not there, and you don’t need a 4K tv to see the difference that will have. Yeah, I stand firm when I say it’s the best on the market atm, for someone who doesn’t own a ps4 or bone I personally would recommend the S as it currently has the best value and slightly better video output. (Now some really biased… Read more »
Jiryn
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Jiryn

Personally, the PS4 controller is much more comfortable.
The XB1’s controller is good, but the shoulder buttons are a pain for some.

I will admit, I dislike the touch pad and integration of motion controls on the PS4 however.

Performance and image quality are still better on the PS4. Most games put out a higher resolution and better frame rate on the PS4, according to Digital Foundry’s findings.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

It does support HDR yes.

Swings and roundabouts, the ps4 duel shock is miles better than the PS3 duel shock that’s something we can all agree on!
And the ps4s menus are just…..beautiful, I dont know why I like them……. I just do lol.

With the consoles it simply comes down to software. Do you like halo or uncharted?

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

Correct why do I love PS4 over Xbox ?
The Xbox does not have persona 5 and many other games I love .

Michael Prymula
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PS4 dosen’t have Gears 4, Re-Core, Halo 5, Dead Rising 3, Quantum Break and many other games I love.

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

More power to you friend their not my taste I’m more uncharted , final fantasy , last of us ,gravity rush and lots of Japanese games you have never heard of .

Michael Prymula
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I do like Gravity Rush and Last of Us, but i’m not big on JRPGs(let’s just I agree with Yahtzee’s criticisms of them).

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

Love Yahtzee but don’t take him to seriously he’s more for fun.
I love his demons souls video he was one of many people that misunderstood that game until dark souls came.
I also want to punch that guy as he invented the PC master race memes and I hate that term.

Michael Prymula
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I don’t blame him for that term, he said it as a joke, it’s not his fault some arrogant PC assholes took that term way too seriously.

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

I know but it does not make it any less irritating.
I could alway do a jay and slient bob trick find these PC assholes beat them up .
I Love that bit of the film .

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Has persona 5 been released? It said to drop on 15th of September but I’ve heard nothing about it so far. Especially with the hype surrounding the game I would have expected more…… Or am I just looking in the wrong places?

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

It releases in Feb 2017 but its already out in Japan as the PS4 is region free you can play it now if you can read Japanese .
Lots of fun.

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

It got good reviews in Japan .

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Cool, looks like an interesting game. I’ve never played any of the others.

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

I love that series the music , the art style ,the story and combat are amazing
It does stuff no other game does .
just YouTube a song callec persona 4 reach out for the truth and you will get why I love it so much .

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

I can dig that tune, reminds me of a light band maid.

Michael Prymula
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I find the Xbox One’s controller more comfortable.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

I admit, I loved the 360’s over the PS3’s controller.

Though most of the XB1 is better, the shoulders don’t feel as good at times.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

I don’t know how you can recommend Scorpio if no one has ever played anything on it yet. If anyone hasn’t yet decided in getting a Scorpio or a PS4 Pro, it’s better to follow Super Bunnyhop’s suggestion: wait, just wait.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Hey?
Ermmm…. I think u got the wrong end of the stick, I was recommending the Xbox one S not the Scorpio.

Yeah I’m very much in the same boat as you on waiting to see before I start making wild claims. (Unless it’s VR, which I always will say will fail on the mainstream.)

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

Good advice we have not seen any new games that will use the new consoles power not even one screenshot.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

No ones recommended the Scorpio!

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

To me the Scorpio is pointless I don’t have 4K TV not many people do and I’m not sure that will change next year when it releases .
To me the Scorpio is going down the same road the PS3 did on release if the rumours on price are true.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Oh yeah I completely agree with you that it seems to be on the same road as the PS3 because of the increasing price point.

But the Scorpio will not be pointless if you don’t own a 4K. I know nothing about computers but even I know that adding that much power will make a difference. Plus the addition of anti aliasing means no more jaggedness, which has been the biggest put off for me this generation, if we’re speaking about graphics anyway.

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

Also it’s making the same mistake the Xbox one did it need to be a games console not a TV box .

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley
I dunno, the Xbox one is actually a very very good service packaged I a very bad console. You won’t need a 4K to see the difference between the two consoles, just them saying it has anti aliasing just confirms that…. No more jagged edges or weird looking shiney things( I’m looking at you dragon age 3) Your not going to need a 4 k to see that….. It’s not worth 700 quid…. Not in a million years, but if your like me and are quite patient , the cost isn’t much of an issue if you wait a year… Read more »
Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan

It make me annoyed people are judging new consoles no one see in action .
And mocking the ps pro everything promised on the Scorpio could be bollocks a lot of the promises on the Xbox one where bare faced lies .
We all remember angry joe catching major nelson lying .
I can’t say it’s bad console it just I don’t trust MS and the games on the console are not to my taste .

To be honest I’m more excited about the Nintendo NX .

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley
Taste is taste, we are all allowed taste. They wernt lies, no body liked the original plans for the Xbox one, Microsoft responded by fucking those plans off and putting energy into treating it’s xbl subscribers really really well. I can’t remember it ever going down so far also which I see people saying on the internet but I have never experienced it. maybe because I’m at work all day who knows. Yeah I’m excited to see what the NX has to offer. The thing with Nintendo is there software. I think people don’t mind playing Nintendo games on a… Read more »
Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

I forgot to say, I agree people saying the Scorpio is this and that are just buying to hype.

What happened to angry Joe?

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan
Before the release of Xbox one not the Scorpio joe interviewed Major Nelson from MS at a show and asked surely the always online restrictions could be removed with a patch or something? MS reply was it was impossible as it was part of how the console worked . 2 days later MS announced it was going to be removed showing MS had lied . All credit to joe where most critics sat in their comfortable house or office moaning but doing nothing . joe went out and was cheeky enough to do something about it and show them up… Read more »
Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

I dunno, saying there outright lying. One bloke said one thing that wasn’t correct, it was a mistake, he makes a lot of them. it’s harsh just to assume their lying. What would they gain from lying?

Aisha clanclan
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Aisha clanclan
I have to disagree MS had to change all its promises as they where so unpopular it nearly killed the console . Always online , no right to own and trade games Kinect support that does not even work on the new Xbox silm without an adapter . MS only promise at the moment is 4K which we have to wait and see if they can deliver it. For me Sony did the most important two things they did not try to screw my rights over and they do games I like simple. Forget gaming politics the most important thing… Read more »
RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro
I’d rather keep to a 6-7 year cycle than the 4 year cycle we had in the 90’s. Lack of rapid obsolescence is basically the one thing keeping consoles away from being literally shit PCs at this point (and computers are getting less futzy about that too). I’m not sure how much I believe that the XB1 is truly past compatible with every XB and XB360 title, but if that’s true and other companies follow suit it eases on the harm of shorter cycles. Sony not having ported the massive PS3 digital library to PS4 yet, and seemingly not planning… Read more »
Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley
It’s on it’s way, there slowly adding games, it’s always a 360 game though, no outright backwards compatibly with OGXB, but the 360 had enough ports of the OGXB to keep people satisfied, and there adding so many more than I ever expect them to add. Every month they add two from the 360 and give you them for the price of XB Live. The Xbox one was awful when it was released. That’s why I brought a ps4. But Sony asking me to buy ff7 for a third time was to much, I don’t care what they say they… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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Sony can’t make PS3 titles backwards compatible on the PS4 thanks to their stupidly overcomplicated Cell Processor on the former, I knew that thing was going to bite them in the ass one of these days. Even back in the day lots of devs complained about how difficult it was to program for the PS3 compared to the 360, which resulted in the 360 versions of games being superior and PS3 versions sometimes being badly crippled by loading times(I.E. Fallout 3, Bayonetta)

deiseach
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deiseach

Yes, yes, thrice yes! I have been wondering whether I have to turn on my Xbox One every morning even if I don’t want to play a game to ensure it is updated so that it is ready when I do want to play a game. Insane.

Dave Dogge
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Dave Dogge

It pissed me off only today, I haven’t played on my PS4 in just over a week and I get a system update which I have to get through before I browse on the Sony Store. Also I installed a 2TB drive on my PS4 and it was almost full of
crap and I had to get rid of the crap naming no names (No Man’s Sky). Anyone know when I can fit 5TB drives on my PS4 ?

Jiryn
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Fully agree, I’ve fallen for the “Fake Ready” so many times.
In fact, there were a few games that I’ve purchased that show the download was complete, only to find out that was only the initial download of 5-10GBs, only to have the meat of the game still downloading in the background, or waiting to be downloaded after I started the game up.

On the PS4, I’ve notice that things seem to download faster when set in “Rest Mode” but I use my console as a media device, so that regularly interferes with any downloads and etc sadly.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Here’s a strange thought: with MS’s effort to build UWP and release the games both on Win10 and XB1, could it be that MS wants to move from console gaming to PC gaming?

Michael Prymula
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I doubt it.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Hmm.
I just was reading your article on NMS refunds… Here’s an idea: could it be that this time tries to snatch more “play time” so that less people request a refund? Just a thought.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Can’t get refunds on Xbox….. It says it in massive block capitals as you buy a game.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Wait, XBox store is “no-refund-policy”?

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Yeah big block capitals.

It’s a lie mind you as my mates kid decided to by him halo 5 when he wasn’t looking and they refunded him for it. But I hear it’s a very difficult thing to get, the elusive Microsoft refund.

09philj
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09philj

Nintendo still tries to hold up this particular ideal on 3DS. Their games still have to download and install, which doesn’t take too long, and minor patches and updates will generally need to be installed, but it all works fairly well.

Locuas
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Nintendo may currently be the best of the big companies at releasing games already polished/not needing a huge day one patch.

superbattler
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superbattler

Nintendo has always seemed a bit behind sony and microsoft, so at least this time it works out in our favor 🙂

09philj
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09philj

The actual game design may be patchy, but they do run.

Benj
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Benj

They do have the slight advantage of mostly just releasing the same 5 of 6 games over and over again with different frills and bonnets…

Although now I think about it the Ubisoft-open-world-collectathon-game are some of the worst optimised games out there and that’s the only thing they make now.

Locuas
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But what is EA’s excuse, then?

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
It isn’t quite as “copy and paste” as Ubisoft, or CoD though. Take Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask, for instance. Same game engine (mostly recycled models even), same core game play loop, similar upgrades and music, but vastly (and I do mean vastly) different themes and even some new mechanics to take advantage of systems OoT didn’t know what to do with. Majora’s was one of the first 3D games to have emergent game play in the form of time management and side-quests related to it. Or the Metroid Prime Series. One different or new mechanic in each entry… Read more »
Benj
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Benj

I agree, Nintendo almost always puts in enough new stuff into their games to be worth playing even if they can be a bit gimicky.

I just can’t resist the urge to tease the Nintendo faithful.

Michael Prymula
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Not for me they aren’t, the fact that the NX is only five months away and we still barely know a damn thing about it is not a good sign at all, plus they still stupidly engage in region-locking.

Locuas
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Oh yes, Region-locking, the most infamous sign of an unpolished product.

Michael Prymula
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Jim has called Nintendo out for being stuck in the past numerous times, region-locking at this point is just stupid. Plus let’s not forgot how Nintendo loves to copyright claim Youtube videos for no good reason unlike Sony or MS.

Locuas
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Yes, by specifying they were good at having their products be polished at release, I pretended all those points were negated. Sure

Michael Prymula
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They aren’t always polished though, the Wii U version of Mighty No 9 is very prone to crashing.

Locuas
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did you just use Mighty Nº 9 as an example? unironically?

Michael Prymula
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Well it is the glitchiest version of the game, so yeah. Haven’t played the game myself so I can’t comment on whether the game is shit or not, but it sure looks like it is.

Locuas
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It is also a third party game infamous for howpoorly handled it was. It is more likely Nintendo had no saying in the games polish

Paul Avers
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Paul Avers

Heck, on the Wii U side of things, if you’re playing a game off a disk and there’s a patch for it it’ll give you the option of just saying eff it and booting the version of the game that’s on the disk anyway. Although I don’t think I’ve ever had a patch take more than a few minutes to download and install on the eShop, so I usually just let it go.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

It’s pretty much the same. When I got Phoenix Wright 6 it was the first time I’d taken my 3DS online in maybe a year. I had to do the sad procession of system update -> store update -> hook up “Nintendo ID” -> reinput credit card info -> navigate clunky store -> slow download of game -> renavigate clunky store to find and get the free DLC.

The same sad experience.

Germanicus
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Germanicus

I’m on 200 meg broadband and it still took over 2 hours to download Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4 at the weekend, tried it over wifi, LAN cable, nothing made it go any quicker. I just don’t see where the bottleneck is on Sony’s network.

Thanatos
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Thanatos
It’s been like this for a while. Time from disk insertion to actual gameplay is actually much, much faster on PC now. Steam will install your game AND patch it, AND any DLC you are owed in one operation. With consoles it’s a multi-stage process with multiple system updates (Odd, I don’t have to update Windows to the latest version in order to install or play a game, even playing it online), and wading through the shit show the is the Playstation or Xbox store a second or third time to download any free DLC. Consoles are just weak PCs,… Read more »
TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
But you are missing a key problem with PC, getting them to run in the first place which is a massive hassle. I’m sorry but building a gaming PC is not fun or convenient for many people. Like people who just want to play games, or are parents, just aren’t good at electronics or don’t have the time and patience to build one Not helped that PC gamers and site don’t seem to be willing to help in this regard, rarely making easy instructions or guides to tell how to get started and instead prefer going, “Hey this new Nvidia… Read more »
Artemiy
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Artemiy

Reddit’s /r/buildapc looks like a helpful community in that regard.
Also, if you’re willing to dish out some cash, there are companies willing to build a PC for you. Heck, I got my PC assembled for free as a part of a store deal.

P. S. I agree that building a PC might be a hassle, but considering its usefulness (in general, not just for gaming), I think it’s worthy a time.

TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle

But even, they are usually still more expensive than their console counter parts, especially so deep into the current generation and it’s still not as convenient. Like how many parents or non-tech people are going to know about that sub-reddit or know about those companies?

To me, both PC and consoles have issues when it comes to this, just that PC is during the beginning process and on consoles during the play now part.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

IMO:
PC is more expensive (and more difficult) to build, but gets cheaper in the long run due to cheaper games.
Also consider: building a PC is a one-time action while dealing with this “play now” thing is something you need to address every time you install a game.

TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
True, but I feel that initial hurdle that most console and non PC fans aren’t willing to take and I can’t blame them. I actually do want to get into PC gaming for the mods and graphic support, but it’s just too costly and I don’t have the no how to build a PC. It’s something the PC market needs to address if it wants to be the most convenient option for gaming. For me, that would mean making more affordable Pre-made gaming PC that can be found a Amazon or in stores and gaming site to stop calling $600… Read more »
Artemiy
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Artemiy

Well, a lot of gaming websites aren’t reliable even at the best of times. That’s where the community guides are useful. According to /r/buildapc, $600 will get you a quite decent computer.
I agree that the hurdle is there and is considerable, but I do urge you not to fear. If you’re not terribly concerned about getting the latest and the greatest, maybe you can even buy a cheap-ish machine from a computer store, just be prepared to change it in a couple years.

TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle

Thank you and thanks for being so reasonable (:

Artemiy
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Artemiy

I try. =)

TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle

Plus, even after the PC is built issues like the lack of support for left handed players are constant issues.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Well, if a PC game is anywhere near decent, it’d support rebindable keys, if that’s what you’re talking about.

TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle

Somewhat, more games having southpaw presets in games for controllers and keyboard as well as having the option to rebind which can be a massive pain (Arkham City was a pain in this regard).

It’s annoying many games lack this, especially when in many cases for AAA, their console counterparts have controller SP support, but the PC version don’t (Ubisoft and WB are really guilty of this).

Michael Prymula
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That’s still less daunting of a task then building a PC, I don’t want to risk breaking something.

Masca
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You don’t need to build it yourself. Order all the parts in the same store, and order the store to assemble it for you. It should be no more than $30-50 (in the EU the typical cost is 40€). If you also order the operating system they should send you a fully functional PC.

Michael Prymula
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I actually had someone else who lives close to me build my first PC.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

“getting them to run in the first place which is a massive hassle.”

This isn’t 2002. I haven’t had a single game that I’ve bought through Steam in the past 5 years fail to run.

Let’s not pretend that consoles games are spotless. Remember No Man’s Sky and how it would freeze consoles at the drop of a hat? It’s becoming increasingly common.

“PC gaming isn’t convenient for us left handed people”

I’m left handed. I use a mouse in my right hand. No issues for 25 years now.

Michael Prymula
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PCs have thousands of different configurations, just cause you haven’t had problems does not mean other people haven’t, Total Biscuit himself has said this numerous times.

Jim himself was unable to get Deadly Premonition to properly run on PC.

Thanatos
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Thanatos
Sure, it happens from time to time, but it is absolutely not a typical case for a typical person running the vast majority of games. They work out of the box. For the small percentage that don’t, reinstalling and/or updating video card drivers fix them. For a percent of that percent, yeah, there might be bugs that prevent play. Fun fact: console games have game breaking bugs in them released all the time. Sometimes they get patched. Just like PC games that won’t run on a small number of machines get patched. Not a big difference, except that in the… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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But sometimes trying to fix a game on PC yourself can make it unplayable, Jim ran into that problem himself more then once.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

Well, that’s when you can reinstall…….

I’m sure you have some anecdote ready about how that didn’t work at some point for some person, but what does that mean in the grand scheme of things?

Michael Prymula
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Jim tried reinstalling Deadly Premonition and was still unable to play it.

It does mean quite a bit on the grand scheme of things, Caddicarus recently had a good argument for why he preferred playing on consoles over PCs in his Top 10 Unpopular Opinions in Gaming video.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

At this point I think you’re just making things up.

Michael Prymula
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No i’m not, fucking Google it.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

And sometimes turning on your console causes your console to brick. So? Freak accidents that rarely happen are irrelevant to this discussion.

Michael Prymula
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I’ve never heard of a console getting bricked just from turning it on, only from disconnecting it during an update, also we’re talking about games not consoles themselves so your post is arguably not relevant itself.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

It has happened. But it’s rare! So if we’re going to be passing off rare occurrences as the normal situation as you keep trying to do with PC games, consoles are just as bad as PCs, apparently!

Michael Prymula
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True, I had someone else build my PC as it was far easier then trying to do it myself(with my Asperger’s Syndrome there was no way in a million years I could build my own PC)

Il Palazzo-sama
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Il Palazzo-sama
“I don’t get why the PC market is so against making cheaper and more convenient pre-made gaming PC as that would be so useful.” The market for the general public doesn’t do that, but there should be a handful of specialized companies providing those. In my country, one of the top companies quality-wise is selling premade gaming PCs starting at 550€ (440 if you’re willing to buy a computer without OS) If you want the best bang for your money (/r/buildapc, …), they will as well assemble your custom PC for 40 €. (gratis if you snipe frequent promotions) “PC… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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i’ve found that some games took longer to install on Steam then on a console, Alpha Protocol took several hours in install on Steam, which is so far longer then any console game.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

Not sure what you mean. Alpha Protocol installed just fine for me. It was a pretty big game for the time, so maybe that’s what you meant? Installing from a disk is always going to be faster…..

Michael Prymula
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I did install it on disk years ago and that was pretty fast, but downloading it from Steam itself took quite a bit longer for some reason.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

What are you trying to say exactly with these vague accounts? Steam game download speed is pretty static across every title. Why wouldn’t it be? They’re just moving data. So if you’re trying to say it’s slower you’re saying that Steam file distribution download speed was slower, which many reports contradict.

Michael Prymula
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Just stating my own experiences, if you don’t believe me that’s your problem, not mine.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

“Just stating my own experiences”

Oh, are you now.

“Total Biscuit himself has said this”
“Jim himself was unable”
“Jim ran into that problem”
“Jim tried reinstalling”

It seems you’ve been just trying to construct an argument using other people’s experiences.

Michael Prymula
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Not really no you fucking moron.

Michael Prymula
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I’ve never had that many problems downloading anything on Xbox.

I’ve had some PC games make me jump through ridiculous hoops to install them, like the Delta Force Xtreme games, they forced me to sign up for a Novalogic account before it would let me play them, which was fucking ridiculous.

Thanatos
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Thanatos
It’s not even about “having problems downloading” but the sheer number of steps you have to do before you can start a game. On a PC now it’s one – start an installation on Steam, and wait until it’s done downloading, installing, and patching everything. Then you start the game. And the installation is actually efficient by a company that knows how to move and copy data, unlike games as described above. “they forced me to sign up for a Novalogic account before it would let me play them” Microsoft forced me to make an Xbox Live account to play… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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It’s not that many steps at all, for me it’s just “insert game into disc drive on Xbox and wait for install to finish, then start game” that’s literally it.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

You forgot to get the free day one DLC. And do a system update.

Michael Prymula
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Day one DLC downloads so fast for me it barely qualifies as a step, and I can’t even remember the last time I had to download a system update for my Xbox One(wouldn’t be a big deal anyways, system updates for the 360 were always really fast)

Michael Prymula
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Xbox Live at least gives you actual fucking benefits though, so I was fine with signing up, I signed up for XBL because I wanted to, Novalogic is fucking useless and I only signed up to it because I was forced to do so, huge difference.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

” I only signed up to it because I was forced to do so, huge difference.”

I only made an Xbox Live account because I was forced to do so.

Michael Prymula
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Steam installs have actually taken me longer then installs on consoles.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

For the same game? Unlikely. Steam’s servers routinely provide faster download speeds than the console people.

Michael Prymula
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Maybe for you, but not for me, you probably have better internet then I do.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

You know that doesn’t matter, right? If you get a max of 1 MB/s download then that’s what you’d be getting from all places.

TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
Also I agree with you with download times and size Day One DLC on consoles, it’s so annoying and I wish the PS4 was honest when games are downloading and just tell me when the game is actually downloaded. Even games like Overwatch does it. Though one point I disagree with you with is that the only areas Console had the up on was cost and convenience. For me and many other left handed people, PC gaming is a massive pain because of the lack of left handed support for many games like preset southpaw controller and keyboard options or… Read more »
Absolutfreak
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I typically see more and better control options on PC.

The community aspects are a total wash. There are great and dumpster fire sections of both communities.

Anton
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Anton

Amen to point 2.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

Consoles have lost themselves chasing after something they can never be. It’s sad really.

Michael Prymula
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They haven’t lost themselves at all, they’re still selling like crazy.

RifleAvenger Sashiro
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RifleAvenger Sashiro

Nothing is instantaneous. Consoles are riding off decades of positive experiences, and will only begin to decline as the negatives pile up.

I say this as some who is not a PC gamer, my computer is a 2011 laptop and can’t play most high end games made in its own year (I use it for older titles and emulators). This console generation is trying my patience.

Michael Prymula
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I think you’re wildly overestimating, lots of people still prefer consoles over PCs as they find buying a console much less intimidating then building a PC.

This console generation is not trying my patience at all, I personally can’t imagine gaming on a laptop, I would find that very uncomfortable fast, i’ll stick with my regular desktop PC.

TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle
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TheGreenSasquatch is a puddle

Question, with Troy Baker and other voice actors are officially going on strike, I’m wondering if you planing on doing the same when it comes to that area?

Michael Prymula
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that strike is really going to bite them in the ass, unlike the WGA, they don’t have a near monopoly, SAG-AFTRA represents less then 25% of games, so a strike would barely affect the industry at all, it would be extremely easy for publishers to find better voice actors who are not members of that union.

Michael Prymula
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Jim’s not part of the union so it won’t happen, also I think that strike is a VERY bad idea as it will come back to bite all the VAs in the ass hard, since the union they are a part of represents less then 25% of video games out there, so unlike the WGA strike, this isn’t going to cripple an industry, it’s very easy to work around and get other voice actors to fill in without the strike making any real impact at all, hell some of the new VAs might actually be better(look I like Troy Baker… Read more »
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