The Jimquisition: Loot n’ Plunder

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Overwatch is in the news again, with a loot-flavored event that has made even a lot of the game’s defenders raise their eyebrows.

Let’s all just admit that no matter how much you might love Blizzard, it’s still another fee-to-pay peddler at heart.

Jiryn
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Jiryn
First off, love the Captain Planet throwback title of the video…. but now I have the theme song in my head again… thank you Jim…. My main question is though, whose idea was it to put the Auction House and Microtransactions into the games? Both were added after Blizzard merged with Activision back in 2008. Many of Blizzard’s policies seemed to have changed since the merger. However the few people I know who work for Blizzard still claim that they are separate entities and Activision has no say in Blizzards’ processes and content. Finally, have you or anyone else seen… Read more »
diamond
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diamond
Maybe for you it’s funny, but lots of people are truly excited for that game, i’m one of them, I think it looks pretty goddamn awesome. It’s dislike actually isn’t that large, most people downvoting the first trailer were just jumping on the bandwagon and likely were never going to buy it anyways, also people forget that the trailer is actually the most liked COD trailer to date. They also forget that Black Ops 2’s initial reveal trailer also received tons of dislikes, yet it still sold like hotcakes and I expect the same will be true for IW as… Read more »
Jiryn
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Jiryn

As I said I find it funny, the game itself looks fun to me and I think the hate is entire based on the fact they are not selling COD4 separately but as a pack in.
Yes, I am one of those people who plays COD for the campaign (usually Redboxed)

diamond
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diamond
But we all know COD4 remastered will eventually be sold separately(probably once sales for IW slow down), Activision isn’t that short-sighted, but they know some people will be impatient enough to pay extra for it. I play COD for the campaigns as well(same with Battlefield, though i’m not the least bit excited for BF1, it’s not at all the direction I wanted the series to go in, I wanted Bad Company 3) glad i’m not the only one. I personally don’t really give a shit about COD4 remastered myself, I don’t need a prettier looking version of a game i’ve… Read more »
Malidictus
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Malidictus
Yeah. Pretty much this. Lockboxes suck in every iteration. You can play around with the mechanics all you want, they’re still lockboxes and they still suck. Do you get the boxes but have to buy the keys? Do you have to buy the boxes? Do you have to earn the boxes in an intentionally crippled system with the “option” to buy them for real money? Doesn’t matter – they’re still lockboxes and they’re still bar none the worst monetisation system available today. You can argue P2W and that’s also pretty shitty, no doubt. However, at least P2W has the decency… Read more »
WildFire15
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WildFire15
God the Auction House. I remember making a promise not to use the thing as I soloed through Diablo 3 as a Monk, but eventually I had to though I was able to get stuff with regular in game gold. Did eventually beat the game on Inferno solo, though still not sure why I bothered. The DLC thing remains a conundrum that is unsurprisingly getting taken advantage of by publishers (considering Blizzard is in partnership or whatever corporate amalgamation it is with Activision it’s really not a surprise). But a lot of the time I can (partially) justify some of… Read more »
TGG_Is_Gender_Fluid_And_Proud
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TGG_Is_Gender_Fluid_And_Proud
I agreed with you from the beginning 🙁 As for Overwatch, I love playing the game, especially when playing with my friends, but Jim is fully right that the loot system needs to improve. Even as something as small as no duplicate or higher percentages for character you play often would help a lot. And the community is getting more and more toxic, I’ve given up on going to Battle.Net because of the hate that was being thrown at me was just unbearable. A few months back, I wrote a piece asking Blizzard if they would ever include a gender… Read more »
Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

I still agree with you about the micro transactions Jim. But there is a small part of me that kinda likes these limited time skins.

If handled correctly (just make them non purchasable and up the gold drop rate) they could have been really really cool exclusive shit that makes individuals stand out!

Scott John Harrison
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Scott John Harrison

I was expecting this I even said in a comments of review that they would release more Skins 3 months into the line – but the fact they are “Limited Edition” is not something I was expecting.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

All these business PR people and companies talk very similarly to the abundant right-leaning politicians we have had to endure seeping into every crack of the establishment; very carefully chosen words to elude you into thinking it’s good for you when in reality it’s a cynical, selfish move and motivation. Which, i personally think, says a lot more about the current state of corpocratic politics than anything else.

neil_mccauley
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neil_mccauley

Jim, please, Ubisoft calls these “time savers”. What more proof do you need that it is there for the players?!
/end of sarcasm

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

And also Simcity was an MMO! EA said so!

BAH!
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BAH!

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens.

TheOneWhoSucks
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TheOneWhoSucks
I’d like to play devil’s advocate for just a second and point something out. Blizzard (held by Vivendi at that point) was absorbed by Activision on July 9, 2008. Blizzard’s first microtransactions, the Celestial Steed mount and Lil’ XT pet for World of Warcraft, released April 15, 2010. At least once or twice, Jim has talked about shitty decisions made by parent companies that the underlings are ordered to take responsibility for and stand behind, and I’d like to think that all this microtransaction motherfuckery is an example of that. Loads of extra content to games like Diablo 2 outside… Read more »
BAH!
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BAH!

Others may be the instigators, but I have a feeling Blizzard has enough pull to say “No”.

Hell, they may have made the final product less obnoxious than it was intended, for all we know. I doubt it, but it could have happened.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

I feel like Activision has enough mone-I mean, pull, to say “yes” anyway.

TheOneWhoSucks
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TheOneWhoSucks

True enough. I’m just hoping against hope that they didn’t just up and start pounding away at fans without coercion. The recent examples are also so far outside their norm that I have other questions.

So many years making RTS, ARPG, and an MMO, then they move on to Hearthstone and Heroes of the St… well, I suppose they were already sort of on that one with the RTS games, but still. Last time they tried to leave their comfort zone before those was StarCraft Ghost and look how that turned out.

peter
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peter

Please remind total biscuit about this and tell him to stop protecting his next blizzard pay check were not stupid like he says I know what he’s up to .

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

God I hope this is sarcasm. You know you’re talking about the same guy who refuses to review games where the embargo ends the day of launch right?

eastern cattle
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eastern cattle

The dominating narrative around here is that TotalBiscuit is a bigot and a hypocrite. Indeed, no sarcasm intended.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t think he is, since he has cancer and has limited time left I get why he would rather pay for stuff then grind to earn it(i’m sick of progression systems in MP games myself).

peter
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peter
The guy who tried to prove Jim and angry Joe wrong and called us all stupid if we thought different . hoping we would forget he has been paid a ton of money by blizzard and still does get money from blizzard . He lost my trust that day now I know he can be paid off . I bet he would forgive sega if they paided him enough . He used to be straight as a dime but now a days he seem to only care about money Their been times in his podcast dodger and jesse have had… Read more »
Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

Ok, do you have proof of this money you so confidently say he’s getting? Because you’re not giving me examples. You’re just saying he was paid a ton of money. When? Cite an example of this and maybe I’ll not think you’re just pulling things from your butt

peter
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peter

He openly admits he takes money from blizzard for paid promotion if he up sets them by shitting on a game during the time overwatch would make the most money they may not use him again.
He should of stayed out of it knowing he had a big conflict of interest and his connections to blizzard .

XionEternum
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XionEternum

He did stay out of it; his promotional material for any Blizzard game has been identified as promotional material. He has also not formally reviewed the game through his various first-impressions series due to that conflict of interest and actively avoids doing first-impression reviews of games even indirectly contributing to him in some way.

peter
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peter

Ya but he did he made videos defending the games lack of content , balance issues, the micro transactions , blizzard and attacking Jim and angry joes views as well meny times on his podcast calling this viewer who disagree stupid.
So he did not stay out of it
Infact he acted like an ass but he gets a free pass for some reason.

XionEternum
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XionEternum
You call that an “attack”? Then what you are doing is no different; you are attacking him. No, chill the frack out for a second and be even half reasonable. TB’s video on OW’s monetary system was to identify the difference between subjective opinion and objective fact regarding how it worked. Since objectively there is literally nothing wrong with the system he is fine with it. He understands and respects the subjective opinions of Jim and Joe as well. The reason for the video as a whole is because one-sided extremist idiots take a side and go batshit crazy on… Read more »
peter
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peter

Do you know what I would of like TB to say because of my relationship with blizzard I can’t enter this argument but instead here is some great game on what ever system for you to see enjoy something positive instead.

XionEternum
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XionEternum
Then don’t acknowledge his opinions on the system as unbiased? What’s so hard about that? Especially when TB is so damn good at keep opinion and fact segregated? You may believe you cannot trust his opinion, but it’s still entirely possible to psycho-analyse facts and objectivity from what he says. It’s why I would like to see Jim review We Happy Few with disclosure of course as he’s been doing since inception. Anyone who doesn’t mindlessly follow the opinions of others can formulate their own based on the content presented and within context. Anyone who does mindlessly follow the opinions… Read more »
peter
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peter

I would love to see Jim ,angry Joe and TB on a video together to debate this out as their clearly at two different ends of the argument .
It Will not happen but would be interesting.

XionEternum
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XionEternum

They’ve all said their pieces on the topic and likely don’t give it any validity enough to debate it further. Which is where I’m at now given my wall-of-text post. /wink

XionEternum
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XionEternum

You mean the same guy who made the That Retarded Horse video meme condemning Blizzard’s first act of adding micro-transaction content to a subscription- based MMORPG?
/golfclap
Well done dumbass…

Benj
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Benj

I disagree with tb on a fair number of things but, credit where it’s due, I don’t doubt his integrity when it comes to consumer advocacy and his own independence and avoidance of conflicts of interest.

He’s been just as consistently against that stuff and willing to call it in others as Jim has.

Billy Bissette
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Billy Bissette

TB also defended YouTube Channel LinusTechTips for not using DX12 or Vulkan benchmarks (the areas where AMD’s cards outperform Nvidia’s) in a video comparing AMD’s card to Nvidia’s.

When someone listed the present and coming games for both Vulkan and DX12, TB proceeded to ignore the larger DX12 list while saying that the Vulkan list only proved his argument that there currently weren’t enough games using it to matter.

peter
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peter

I used to think that
But instead of agreeing to disagree he when out to prove Jim and angry Joe where wrong and were stupid
If it has anything to do with blizzard I don’t trust him he had to much of their money to trust now .
He seem very money hungry now but I understand why.
I don’t trust Jim or angry Joe 100% but their entertaining enough for me not to care .
Joe jumps the gun a lot before knowing fact and Jim put entertainment over wise thinking or fact sometimes .

Devire
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Devire

Accusations of TB being paid by Blizzard sound especially stupid considering that the first time he defended paid cosmetic microtransactions/DLCs in the video mainly about Evovle – the game that has nothing to do with Blizzard.

I completely disagree with TB on this matter, but accusing him of being sell-off is utterly stupid.

peter
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peter

i give up

Andrew Barloq
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Andrew Barloq

Clearly Jim is just ENTITLED. 😉

eastern cattle
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eastern cattle

Jim doesn’t want to admit, he was wrong originally, and only the new development with the olympic skins is truly anti-consumer. Just because it is anti-consumer now doesn’t make you right retzroperspectively, which you’re so bluntly assuming.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

No, just because it’s MORE anti-consumer now doesn’t mean it wasn’t anti-consumer before.

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

From the very beginning the loot system worked as a slot machine, giving you mostly sprays and only very rarely giving you a cool costume. Even if you pay for loot boxes your chances of getting a rare costume aren’t going up any more. Oh, and you can get duplicate sprays. It doesn’t matter if you got it before you can get the same one fifty times. Hate to say it but it’s been anti consumer from the very beginning. =/

Benj
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Benj

Except part of his original complaints about the system was that it was primed for this kind of extra shittiness. It’s barely changed but these small changes seem so egregious because of how they combine with the pre-existing exploitative components.

It was always anti-comsumer, it’s just now crossed your line of acceptability. You might not want to admit it but you know this is true.

diamond
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diamond

he wasn’t wrong dumbass

Ràul
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Ràul

I still think it is “just” cosmetics. Sure it would be better if they were free, but still better than having a season pass or dlc for characters or maps.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

At least in cosmetic DLCs you knew exactly how much money you’d have to spend to get the one you wanted. Here you can only guess (either time or money, you can only estimate).

Cindipool
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Cindipool

When you do finally make it back to Her Majesty’s Island Lair, Jim, I need you to sign my monocle 😮

Benj
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Benj

How does that work… what part of the monocle is even signable?

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

Just use a marker =3

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Seeing out of the monocle is optional.

Benj
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Benj

I feel like a bit of a idiot even asking.

My thoughts went “but you could only really sign the lens and then you couldn’t use it properlu” as if he had a monocle for its practical function rather than as a quirky accessory.

Cindipool
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Cindipool

The monocle is, in fact, one of the Gentleman’s Single-Use Un-Lubricated Monocles, as developed by Zach Weiner. I’m hoping to have Jim sign the packaging 🙂

Benj
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Benj

All I got from this is that apparently lubricated Monocles exist.

“Marjorie have you seen my Monocle!”

“Here it is Reginald my de… oops” *Monocle flies out of her hand, slides across the marble floor and under the aga*

“Dammit Marjorie!”

BAH!
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BAH!

It’s just cosmetic, after all.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

The wire?..

aimei66
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aimei66

‘Its only cosmetic’ like most of the DLC that exists today for some reason…. hmm I wonder why they chose to sell cosmetics…

Anyway I love loot boxes (once you remove the sprays and player icons)!

Lambadelta
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Lambadelta

Sadly Blizzard’s fanbase mostly consists of addicts that follow Blizzard no matter what and HAVE to play at least one Blizzard game daily. i speak from experience and barely managed to let go of my addiction.

“it’s only cosmetics” logic works with some games, but in this case, we have a buy 2 play multi player only game. cosmetic is a big part of it. Blizzard changed since the day they partnered up with Activision and they keep getting free passes for whatever they do.

09philj
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09philj
I think that there are at least somewhat ethical ways to allow microtransactions into full priced releases, but they wouldn’t be the most obviously profitable ways so nobody bothers. However, there is a model that, with a little tweaking, can work for everyone, which is the Steam marketplace. There, users can sell in game items to each other for wallet funds with Valve taking a small cut. Obviously, most of the items on there are acquired through micro-transactions themselves, and allowing the system to be used for items which have objective advantages would make it pay to win, but if… Read more »
Artie
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Artie
It is certainly depressing that this types of systems, (microtransactions, always online, fee to pay, etc.) have become so mainstream, and so ingrained into video games as a whole. On a personal level, I have seen myself drifting away more and more from this medium precisely because of this. It would be very enlightning if someone were to do some in-depth research on how cosmetic content in videogames itself manages to grab one’s attention, and for how long this can carry a game, multiplayer-only games in particular, on an academic level research. That credits music though, awaiting for Jim to… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

The data is already there, and it says very plainly that exploitative design makes bank, and does little to hamper the success of the base product, given that the quality of the base product is good enough to begin with.

Artie
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Artie

Thank you for your response. However, I cannot help but feel depressed for videogames to be going that way as many other mediums before.

Anton
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Anton

Same here, buddy, same here.

There is an optimistic way of looking at things, though. There will always be smaller independent studios, full of people that are actually passionate about the medium. The people that know that being free of exploitative measure is what sells games for some customers. Sure, AAA is going down the drain, but it’s becoming easier ans easier for the small guys to get their work out there. So I don’t think that we’ll be starved of good, honest games any time soon.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Thank you, that’s what I was going to say.

Really, the way modern AAA operates… There are barely any games that aren’t gray sludge or a metric ton of money-grabbing techniques hiding behind a bright sign. I mean, Doom got a lot of praise because… It was old-school and knew just how much modern elements should it bring.

Erich Fromm Hell
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Not merely content with rubbing our noses in his many and varied qualities as a renaissance individual, we now find out Jim can sing as well. Damn my green eyes!

SilentPony
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SilentPony

Am I seriously the first person to say its just cosmetic is a smarmy, sarcastic tone? Sigh…fine.

Hey Jim! Jim! JIIIIMMM! It’s just cosmetic!

Jack1994
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Jack1994
Not normally a person who comments, because the internet is the internet but here we go. You spoke a lot about promoting good discourse in your discussion with TB and the internet in general when overwatch first released. The opening of the video talking about people who disagreed with you sounded like a snarky I told you so. (I know that’s the character, but it didn’t feel like just a character, rather a genuine happiness to be proven right) .It’s possible for people to be okay with the previous micro-transaction system and not this clearly worse, limited time system that… Read more »
galactix100
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galactix100

Don’t worry about commenting here, the Jimquisition community is pretty good overall.

Anton
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Anton

…unless it’s a review article. Then the metacritic rabble show up.

…or a social issue article. Then the gamergaters come over to tell us about teh SJWs

…. or a satire article, because half the people don’t get the joke and get really mad.

You know what, it’s just safer not to comment.

galactix100
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galactix100

Actually other than a couple of bellends I didn’t see anything too bad on the aug lives matter article.

Anton
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Anton

Yeah, but they were prolific enough to compensate for their low numbers, haha.

It actually is great to see that the overall mood of the comments here hasn’t been poisoned by the more toxic people that occasionally show up. Too many times I’ve seen the negativity and trolling become the default.

galactix100
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galactix100

Yeah. I think it’s because when the wankers turn up everyone just takes the piss instead of agreeing with them.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

What? Jimquisition fans taking the piss?
Surely you jest.

galactix100
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galactix100

I jest not. for I represent THE FUTURE and the salvation it heralds. A very serious topic as I’m sure you can see.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

The only salvation I seek is in the fold of our lord and savior Jim.

galactix100
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galactix100

Just fyi this is something I started doing in the aug lives matter comments and have since decided it’s my new ‘thing’. Read those comments if you wish to educate yourself on the importance of THE FUTURE.

BAH!
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BAH!

Jesus, that one guy just would not stop. It was absurd!

Anton
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Anton

Everything is more fun with a village idiot.

Erich Fromm Hell
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Those comments had all the appearances of monomania… more sad than anything else.

Fyou
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Fyou

Give it time…

Jack1994
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Jack1994

Thanks, thats why I came here rather than the youtube comment section.

Jack1994
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Jack1994

To add more clarity to my post, I think good comedy should really punch up (like the stuff later in the video aimed at blizzard itself) not kick down (telling the consumers i told you so.)

I think telling people they were idiots and should have expected to get exploited inevitably ends up with people getting overly defensive and creates bad discussions.

What we need is solidarity among the pissed of consumers against Blizzard, not blaming them for defending Blizzards earlier actions, even if they may have been wrong

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

I don’t think he’s calling them idiots. Not directly anyway. XD Really I think he was just really frustrated at how for years people have been behind him with his hatred of Fee to Pay elements in 60 dollar games whenever he’s slagged off Ubisoft or EA, but the minute you do the same thing with Overwatch everyone goes “whoa there buddy you’re taking things WAY too far.” Sure solidarity would be good. But…it’s hard to share solidarity with someone who only shares it with you when it’s convenient. You know?

BAH!
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BAH!

If anything, he’s punching parallel. Remember, Jim is also a consumer of the very same products we are. He may have a bigger voice, but he’s just as affected by shitty marketing as we are.

And I think the people who switched sides *just because* it was Blizzard (and they did exist, they’re not just strawmen) should be ridiculed. Maybe not endlessly, but they could use to eat a nice spoonful or two of crow.

Kevin Lee Shields
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Kevin Lee Shields
I don’t see it. He didn’t rub it in. And he made the point quite effortlessly that people trust corporate entities too much just because they make or made things they like and because of their effective PR propaganda. I myself have fallen under it’s spell from time to time even though I am aware of this. And I’d be glad if a small Jim Sterling would pop up on my shoulder yelling at me: “THEY’RE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!” to bitch slap me back into reality. Because really that’s the only way to go. The “It’s okay darling, you did… Read more »
Jack1994
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Jack1994
Not normally a person who comments, because the internet is the internet but here we go. You spoke a lot about promoting good discourse in your discussion with TB and the internet in general when overwatch first released. The opening of the video talking about people who disagreed with you sounded like a snarky I told you so. It’s possible for people to be okay with the previous micro-transaction system and not this clearly worse, limited time system that forces players to pay real money. They’re consumers like everyone else who are getting fucked over by the system who don’t… Read more »
Tony Russo
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Tony Russo
… you called Blizzard Bioware at 7:02, Jim :(. On the topic at hand, I had really hoped Blizzard had learned their lesson from Diablo 3. For a while, they stopped trying to retrofit their old franchises into their new moneymaking scheme (always online, Microtransactions, etc.) and began focusing on making the sorts of games where those schemes were acceptable (Multiplayer only Free to Play stuff, mostly). Having them taint their new IP with all this Fee to Pay nonsense is deeply disappointing. You are right to tie this back to Diablo 3, as that was the last time I… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

It’s easy for the customers to criticize Overwatch, now that so much of the playerbase has grown bored of the game. If only people stopped buying in to this shit from the start.

Fallen Prime
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Fallen Prime

Are you saying hype culture is… BAD!?

Anton
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Anton

Let’s not go overboard with the radical conclusions here….

Powermad80
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Powermad80

Not sure where you get the idea that we’ve somehow gotten bored of Overwatch.

Anton
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Anton

Not everyone, certainly. But between the relatively small amount of base content, and the unwelcome changes brought by Competitive mode, the enthusiasm is not nearly as high.

Powermad80
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Powermad80

Competitive mode didn’t bring about any changes to the base content that aren’t just contained within competitive mode, and they’ve been completely up-front in saying how Competitive isn’t going to be perfect right away and they’ll need a few seasons’ worth of refinement before it’ll truly be finished/satisfactory.

The enthusiasm before was just the pre-launch hype, and that just obviously isn’t there months after launch, and to say “not everyone” has gotten bored is playing off the majority as much less than that.

Anton
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Anton

Maybe it’s just my own personal experience. The first couple of weeks post launch all of my friends were raving how it was the best thing ever, and now none of them have picked it up in a while.

Powermad80
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Powermad80

Console player by chance? Balance is a little more lacking on the console versions and just in general the console audience is more likely to want to move to whatever the next big thing is than stick to one game.

Anton
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Anton

PC

Powermad80
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Powermad80

Huh well that’s odd, I and a bunch of friends all have been playing since day 1 and we’re all still eager to form up parties for quick play every now and then.

Can’t hold everyone’s attention I guess, but they’ve certainly held a lot of peoples’.

TheHoundHalf
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TheHoundHalf

Ah, that barbarian’s face… makes me smile every time.

nlvldg
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nlvldg

What is that from?

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

Age of Barbarian. It’s a very…interesting 2D platformer on Steam. Very reminiscent of Conan the Barbarian.

George
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George

Well…I would say it’s more like, “Conan the Barbarian meets Heavy Metal 2000 and goes to the BDSM sex dungeon.”

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow

That is literally the best description anyone could have for it. You sir win an internet cookie

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