The Jimquisition: Prepare For Titanfail

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Titanfall 2 is brilliant, but it doesn’t look like luck (or an audience) has been on its side.

Let’s look at why it all fell apart, and why this is a shitty thing in the wider scheme of things.

Фролов Денис
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Фролов Денис

And here’s the answer to question of “Why do publishers treat their custumer like idiots”. Becouse, in vast majority, we are. And they are simply banking on it.

Scott John Harrison
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Scott John Harrison

Watch Dogs 2 was looking better than 1 last year but that trailer explodey bang bang shooty just makes it look like a bad GTA V.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

At best, I think WD2 is destined for the same heap as Mafia and Sleeping Dogs.
They might be perfectly good games in their own right, but they’re trying to muscle in on GTA’s market by offering knockoffs. Trying to make a crime sandbox to compete with a crime sandbox, the same logic that brought us Medal of Honor: Warfighter.

Anton
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Anton

Well, there are the weird freaks like me that want a GTA-like world but can’t stand GTA itself. That’s pretty much why I got the first WD.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Exactly. There are good parts of those games, and they have their fanbases, but you said it yourself; you’re a very niche kind of consumer.

diamond
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diamond

What don’t you like about GTA? I’ll admit the earlier games in the series had some bullshit missions I hated(I.E. Freefall in San Andreas)

Anton
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Anton

I have no sympathy for any of the characters and the entire universe is a work of hateful self-parody. It’s funny at first but gets tiring to me very quickly.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t really see those games as hateful myself, I see them as lampooning everything wrong with modern society, I found a lot of the characters since San Andreas pretty likeable.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

This mirrors my thoughts.

While the series used to be stupid fun, it’s gone up its own ass in trying to be a dark satire of American culture, but fails in every way at being clever or amusing. GTAV isn’t a fun or funny game to me; it’s just cynical, mean-spirited, and incredibly stupid.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t think it’s gone up it’s own ass in the least, though maybe i’m biased as GTA IV was the first game in the series I ever played. So naturally I think the series has gotten better with every game and not worse, I don’t want to go back to the overly frustrating missions that all the GTA games before San Andreas had(fuck those Zero missions so hard)

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

Ever joke in GTA is literally just, “Hey, look at how awful and stupid these characters are! America, am I right? Eh?”

GTAV just made me sick with its grotesque, mean-spirited idiocy. I played up to the point where all three characters become available and then stopped because I couldn’t stomach the tone or characters any further.

diamond
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diamond

Not really no, that’s greatly oversimplifying the series.

Nothing about GTA 5 is truly mean-spirited, Angry Joe did a good job of explaining that.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

How is that an oversimplification?

Also, for the record, I don’t like watching Angry Joe’s videos and haven’t watched any of his content in years.

diamond
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diamond

You’re loss, he’s a really good reviewer, and along with Jim he’s one of the few reviewers I respect who gives scores to games(like Total Biscuit, I personally despise video game scores and would be very happy if they went away forever)

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

I find him obnoxious, simply put. And in general, I consider YouTubers that bill themselves as “Angry/Raging/Incensed/Pissy _____” (and particularly those that aren’t an obvious parody character like AVGN) not worth my time.

If you feel the need to bill yourself as an “angry” critic, I’m going to listen to other people that are both intelligent and don’t paint themselves as angry. The angry gamer act wore out its welcome years and years ago, much like GTA’s cynical, hateful idiocy. I’m tired of it, and I’ll just take my business elsewhere.

diamond
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diamond
I don’t find him that way at all, I loved how he ripped apart Hello Games for blatantly lying about No Man’s Sky. Joe actually isn’t that “angry”, a lot of the time he is actually very calm and collected, he only really gets angry when something deserves it(I.E. Ride to Hell) It’s not really fair to compare Joe to those other “angry gamers” as he’s nothing like James Rolfe or his many imitators. GTA is not “hateful” in the least, if you don’t find it funny that’s one thing, but calling it something it’s not as another. Joe is… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I disagree, not EVERY sandbox game with cars is a GTA rip-off. Games like Mafia 3, Watch Dogs and Sleeping Dogs feel very different to GTA for me.

I liked Warfighter, and it’s kind of funny that the so-called COD rip-off actually has higher user ratings in Metacritic then pretty much any of the actual COD games do.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

I’m saying the games can be different and valid in their own rights, but the stigma of being a knockoff of a popular brand can kill a game in the long-term.
Just look at what happened to Battleborn.
Or from your perspective, what happened to Medal of Honor. Lots of good games in the lineage, but died mostly because it had a reputation as a CoD ripoff.

diamond
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diamond

Yeah, so many idiots blindly believed BB was an OW rip-off even though it wasn’t, i’m grateful that Total Biscuit convinced me to buy that game.

Craig Rigby
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Craig Rigby

you know you really missed an opportunity with that EA lawsuit letter. you could have had yourself reading it at gunpoint in a dark room and it probably would have been a lot funnier.

Kimarous
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Kimarous

As far as I’m concerned, the only time games should have accompanying spreadsheets are with massive-rostered fighting games to double-check whether or not a specific character is present.

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

Of course the one I buy is the one doomed to fail. Whatever, I’m gonna get as much play time as I can out of this thing, I’M SINKING WITH THIS COOL ROBOT SHIP AND FUCK EVERYTHING.

Anton
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Anton

Exactly how I feel.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

I’m stealing “cool robot ship”.

Now I want Titans with a ship’s body and design, and a piratey A.I. box.

diamond
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diamond

Medal of Honor Warfighter was a good game.

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

Congratulations.

diamond
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diamond

thank you

Gaealiege
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Gaealiege

I’m convinced that you’re a contrarian by nature. You’ve managed to like every game that most gamers agree are terrible.

Anton
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Anton

My theory is that he was genetically engineered in EA’s labs to be the perfect AAA consumer.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
It’s really hard to notice just how much he posts his “facts”. I was originally able to gloss over it, but now that all I see is a hundred or so “This user is blocked” in every comment section on the site… it’s almost easier to deal with his shenanigans. Almost. I stop dealing with people when I write angry mean-spirited tirades against them, only to delete said tirades. That makes me part of the negativity problem, and I refuse to hate myself for losing my temper. If ignoring him also makes me part of the apathy problem, then I… Read more »
Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire
What if you just tried to appreciate the fact he represents the audience that we all know exists, but never really interact with (Cordially, at least)? Sure MOH: Warfighter was pretty much universally reviled as a carbon copy of other, more popular, shooters, but someone definitely bought it. I remember playing the demo and actually seeing a solid framework for what was, while rather bland, more okay than bad. Maybe it’s our expectations that are overhyped now that the hype trains are all competing for our attention? Or perhaps the most important thing people can glean from his comments is… Read more »
Gareth
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Gareth

The problem is though rarely is there ever an actual explanation of those opinions. They draw ire because of the lack of explanation.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

…I’ve actually never seen anyone ask him why he likes these games without being condescending or insulting… That aside why does he need to explain his opinions in order to not make people angry?

I guess what I’m asking is “Why does it upset you when he expresses a poorly thought out opinion?”

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Because people have already tried when he first started showing up and never got any answers, so why bother continuing to ask? On top of his rather aggressive attitude in general. And that’s coming from me of all people.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Fair enough. Straightforward, to the point, and makes sense. And I believe you about the aggression. Probably why he enjoys modern military shooters so much, they’re 99% aggression, 1% attempts to make you sad.

Anton
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Anton

Most people were actually nice to him at first.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

…I must’ve missed that, but I’m sure you’re right. The comments section of this site is shockingly civilized for the internet.

Anton
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Anton

Yeah, that’s why I only comment around here anymore, at least about games. Most of the regulars here are pretty great.

The problem I have with diamond is that he spams the bejesus out of the chat without ever actually contributing anything to the conversation, aside from “I disagree”. Past that, it’s all “moron” and “dumbfuck” if you even dare to confront him about it or question his statements. I’d like to think I tried my best, but he broke me eventually.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

…Honestly that’s why I started posting here. I literally ignored comments until I started reading Jim’s (…Well I do read the comments on porn sites, but that’s just for the lulz). People pose well thought out opinions intelligently and I appreciate that it’s not a pit of snakes unlike a lot of other site’s comment sections.

Anton
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Anton

Every once in a while it still degenerates into a pit, mostly over reviews, when randos come over from Metacritic. But even then we have fun.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Maybe they’ll learn to be civil hanging out here… A pipedream I know, but still

Anton
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Anton

Given that Jim is reviled in many gaming subcommunities (’cause of all that SJW stuff), I wouldn’t hold out hope.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Ah… Well it’s good to remember that SJWs (usually) win in the end. Gives me some hope for humanity.

diamond
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diamond

He’s only really reviled by the truly toxic communities like the IGN forums.

Michael Prymula
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I’ve contributed plenty, I only insult people who mock my opinions, because how dare I actually like games that some gamers love to hate on.

Gareth
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Gareth

That’s not actually the situation is it. As has been stated you’re free to like things other people dislike or dislike something other people enjoy. The problem is you rarely if ever offer any actual explanation and when someone ends up asking about it you respond angrily at the idea you could like something someone else dislikes despite the fact you more than likely offered no explanation and are likely to have just stated one of two things ‘I like something the majority dislikes or I dislike something the majority likes’

diamond
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diamond

Is there some rule that says I MUST explain myself? No? Then why should?

I see lots of similar to posts to mine which nobody asks to explain, so I can’t help but feel like there’s some kind of double-standard here.

Like Jim said he no longer feels the need to explain himself on why he hates Microtransactions in full-priced games, I no longer feel I need to explain why I like a game that some peopel hate.

Gareth
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Gareth

Yeah but Jim actually provided the initial explanation of why he had an issue with microtransactions. In comparison you haven’t.

diamond
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diamond

I have explained in the past why I liked Warfighter, and I didn’t feel like repeating myself.

Gareth
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Gareth

Where? In the discus comments of a different post on Jim’s site as otherwise nobody here will actually have been privy to that explanation. You don’t have to explain yourself but if you’re not going to you can’t react angrily when you withhold such an explanation from people.

Anton
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Anton

I don’t know man, I recall you going overboard in what I thought were previously reasonable discussions. Also, 95% of your output is “I disagree” or “X was a good game/movie/whatever”. I mean, yeah, it contributes in the literal sense that there are now more words in the chat, but it doesn’t exactly help the conversation along.

Gareth
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Gareth

However those responses occur because explanations were almost never provided and only were always either ‘I like X which other people dislike or I dislike Y which other people like’ The situation tends to be circular. Unexplained contrary opinion, response suggesting he is joking, angry response at the suggestion he is joking.

There’s nothing wrong with liking something other people dislike but providing insight for other people gives them an understanding of why you like that particular thing as you also might convince other people to try it as well.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

10/10, would read again.

diamond
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diamond

Yes, that’s why I respond the way I do, nobody ever asks me why I like a certain game, they just respond with an insult or accuse me of trolling, and they’re actually surprised when I don’t respond to that very well LOL

Gareth
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Gareth

The problem is there was a time when people did and they didn’t get responses then either.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Well perhaps it’s time for you to extend an olive branch? Maybe next time you’d like to talk about a certain game being good/bad you could elaborate on that opinion? I get that you like MOH: Warfighter, but the question is “Why?”. Either way I’d prefer you act civil in the face of adversity, it’s both a mark of honor and integrity.

diamond
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diamond

Very well, if it will quiet down all the people throwing around the words “troll” and “contrarian” left and right for no good reason, then I will attempt to explain myself better.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I haven’t seen anything he has posted for about 4 days, which is when I blocked him. I didn’t even know this was about Medal of Honor. My comment was more on the fact he posts, a LOT. And now we get into why I blocked him: Instead of contextualizing his thoughts, he yells an insult at you, ignores your request for clarification, or attempts to change the subject. It’s one thing to have a dissenting opinion, as long as you talk about it rationally. It’s another thing entirely to not only have one, but several opposing opinions, posted in… Read more »
Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Well thanks for taking the time to explain it. I guess it’s time to continue ignoring him, then.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

By all means, you can be nice to him. I might unblock him if I see responses along the lines of thoughtful discussion (it’ll be easy to know, he’s the only one I have blocked). I’m just not gonna talk to him any more until that happens.

Anton
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Anton

Yeah, right up until you see “Call of Duty Ghosts was the best game ever!!!”, and your internal snark takes over.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I’ve never liked CoD, even when it was the best thing since sliced bread. So I can’t say I’d have any extra snark over my normal “lawl, it’s CoD” internet bandwagoning. I’m not much into military power fantasy, maybe its because I’ve never been fond of “Oh Shit, this could actually be happening/has happened somewhere” in my entertainment. Infinite Warfare was the first one to pique my interest due to a very obvious divorce from something that could (/has) happen (-ed), but I have too much choice as it is with games I’ve been following for months/years. Combined with a… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

Sliced bread is so overrated. Just go to town on a whole loaf, that’s what I say.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

My sandwiches are the best. I take 2 sourdough loaves, a whole ham, mustard seeds, and a one-pound block of cheddar.

Slicing is for n00bs.

Anton
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Anton

Just one block? What are you, on a diet?

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Yeah, I’m down from a Google a day to a Bing.

Anton
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Anton

Congrats! I keep meaning to get in shape… I’ll start tomorrow, I swear.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Starting is the hardest part. For me, it was rapidly switching back and forth between angry, depressed, and manic which made me quit sugar down to 40g per day. Once I did that for 7 months and lost 10 pounds, I was like “Well, I lost some weight and my mood is stable… but I can do better!”

It’s been about 3 months since I switched from shoveling whatever food was available into my face to an actual fixed calorie diet. My bugbear is actually remembering to exercise.

Anton
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Anton

See, I have the exercise part down, but dieting….. just can’t do it.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Maybe it’s my logic-oriented programmer’s brain. I can handle the math of counting calories and grams, I take a bit of pleasure in it actually. But I’ll be damned if I actually have to make more than a passing effort by walking an hour a day!

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Ghosts? What about Colonial Marines?

Anton
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Anton

They’re ALL games of the year.

diamond
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diamond

They are not the best games ever, but they are far from the worst. I’ve played far too many shitty PC games nobody has ever heard of to muster up any real hatred for either of those games.

Anton
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Anton

Yeah, and I’m sure ACM is much better than repeatedly kicking myself in the balls (wait…. no, no, it’s probably better), but that doesn’t make it good.

diamond
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diamond

I think it’s pretty good cause I didn’t have super high expectations and I don’t quite consider the Aliens films masterpieces like Jim and other people do(I like them all, including both AVP films, but none of them would make into my favorite films list) and I also didn’t see any of the trailers before I got the same used for 20 bucks, so my expectations were very middle of the road after reading reviews, but the game actually surprised me by being better then reviews said it was.

Have you ever actually played ACM?

Anton
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Anton

I have (for some reason). Not all the way through, but enough to make me believe all the shit that has been piled on to it.

diamond
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diamond

There actually was a patch to improve the A.I., and many agreed that the game got a lot better as a result.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire
Honestly the problem with ACM wasn’t the AI, or the shaders, or the storyline, or anything about the game at all. It was a lower end shooter set in the Aliens universe, bam, done, nothing special there. The problem was the marketing. Randy Pitchford (among others) talked the game up every time it was showed off. Gearbox even went so far as to render in-game scenes that weren’t actually in-game (Turret section in the sewer, aliens climbing into the vents, etc.) in a quality they wouldn’t achieve in the final product. It was promised that this would be the best… Read more »
Michael Prymula
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sounds like you’ve got anger management issues.

BB is only really suffering from low numbers on PC, where it has way more competition then it does on consoles.

The fact that you wrote a long insulting tirade over me simply stating that BB is not as “dead” people keep saying it is says more about you then it does about me.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Right, line crossed here.

I know what it’s like to deal with anger management. I make no effort to hide it, and shit, I’ve openly demonstrated it at least to some extent here and elsewhere.

And that’s nowhere near as bad as I can get. Infamous does not have a problem, not that kind of problem, that I can tell. I know rage. What he said isn’t rage.

diamond
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diamond

I would say the fact that he wanted to insult me over merely saying that a game wasn’t doing as badly as some people said indicates that he does have a problem.

I’ve encountered people with rage issues over my stating opinions on Reddit before, so I fail to see how there was any “line crossed” here.

What he posted may not have been rage, but what he was considering posting was rage from his own admission.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

No, that’s not the problem. It wasn’t because of one instance, it was because of many instances over an prolonged amount of time and communication.

And the line crossed is that I know what it’s like to deal with real rage. Not some bullshit internet outcry. I mean the shit that has a serious adverse physical effect.

The kind of shit that sends you into literal breakdowns.

diamond
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diamond

I’ve seen people suffer literal breakdowns on Reddit over opinions, particularly on the Cynical Brit sub-reddits, there was really ugly shit that was said on there after the second time Laura was on the Co Optional podcast, be glad you weren’t there to witness it.

Wolfie
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Wolfie
Dude. Do not compare that stuff to what I have gone through before. Yeah, I’m sure that was some nasty stuff; I’ve seen shit like that before myself. I did, after all, spend a year basically arguing with fucking gators just about every day. But some shitheads throwing a tantrum on Reddit because they’re got blistered cocks in their brains is nowhere near to almost passing out because you’ve basically screamed out your breath. That happens. Their little shitfest, while awful, does not compare to the physical. I’ve been nice, okay? Like, seriously? I have, and you know, despite your… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I’m not comparing you to those assholes, sorry if you thought I was.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

It wasn’t really myself as a person, but what I go through with how they conduct themselves. Thanks though.

diamond
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diamond

For the record I will try and be better on here, mostly i’ve just been nervous about the election even though I don’t have much reason to be.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Everyone should be nervous about this election. If you aren’t nervous about this election you’re doing politics wrong (IMO, obviously). And I think we’d all be very happy to see that happen, D.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Fucking tell me about it. Christ, I just want it to be over already.

It’s gotten to a point where I just have to turn off the television when I hear coverage of it, like, on CNN or whatever.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

High five on your restraint, Wolfie. Just… uh… don’t punch your monitor. We’d miss you. <3

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Oh I know I’ve come close. It’s a dark place to go.

If I knew how to program and stuff, I’d love to make one of those free “experience” games, the ones that try to evoke kind of what it’s like. There’s plenty about topics such as loneliness and depression, but I don’t think any really tackle rage, because, I think, it’s still in that place depression was not that long ago. Where it’s just “you’re being overly emotional” rather than an actual problem.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Based on this, I can just assume he hasn’t seen the part where I said if he played nice I would unblock him.

diamond
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diamond

I saw it, and i’m not so sure I care if you do block me or not, i’m not so sure I want to hear comments from someone who was ready to rage at me just for stating that Battleborn isn’t as dead as people say it is.

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

Rage was a really popular shooter. People are still playing it today. I can always get a game.

diamond
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diamond

Rage is not a multiplayer focused game, but it is a pretty underrated game, i’m sad it did not do as well as other Bethesda games did.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

…I never thought I’d see the day a joke went so far over someone’s head it broke through the stratosphere and flew off into space.

diamond
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diamond

I knew it was a joke, I sometimes like to respond to joke posts in a serious tone to mess with people.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Was it? I thought it was rather cold at reception. Maybe I’m thinking of something else.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Don’t forget “fool!”

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Sadly I did.

diamond
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diamond

It wasn’t exactly “uiniversally reviled” as both it’s critical and user metascore are very “middle of the road”, it’s funny how pretty much every COD game actually has a much lower user score then the game people are claiming is a COD rip off.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Don’t worry, I got enough hate and negativity for the both of us.

diamond
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diamond

Jeez you’re a moron.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Put down the shovel, the hole you’re in is deep enough.

diamond
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diamond

I have no shovel here good sir.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

I give up. Have fun digging into the core of the earth. And if you ever find hell give me a call, Satan owes me money.

diamond
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diamond

I’m just screwing with you.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Still, if you see Satan, tell him I’m waiting to collect on his debt. Firstborn children aren’t cheap, after all!

diamond
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diamond

Wrong fool, there’s plenty of AAA games I couldn’t care less about, like Shadow of Mordor, the Dishonored series, the Assassin’s Creed series, all sports games, Battlefield 1, etc.

Anton
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Anton
diamond
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diamond

No, I just happen to like Modern Military shooters, and no not EVERY gamer thinks it’s “terrible”, the game actually has a decent user score of 6.0 on Metacritic(shocking to see user scores on MC actually look reasonable for once)

There’s plenty of low rated games I hate as much as everybody else like Ride to Hell Retribution, Hour of Victory, Turning Point: Fall of Liberty, History Channel: Battle for the Pacific, etc.

I’m convinced that you’re a fool by nature.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Do you mean you like the single-player campaign?

diamond
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diamond

Of Warfighter? Yeah, that’s the whole reason I bought it and the first MOH(not really a multiplayer person)

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Huh. It’s just that I also played that campaign and I really was not having fun with it. Felt too restrictive, like it was never taking its hands off the reins.

diamond
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diamond

I’m personally not bothered by that sort of thing at all, as COD4 was one of the first FPS games I ever played, so i’m really used to the more linear style of FPS and don’t totally hate the idea of NPCs opening doors for me unlike people like Total Biscuit.

diamond
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diamond

Yeah, I don’t really care about multiplayer in games unless it’s a co op campaign.

Gareth
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Gareth

The problem is there diamond that description isn’t just limited to modern military shooters or in fact games when you rather consistently post an unexplained contrary opinion regarding something which is either frequently praised or viewed negatively.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

You do have a point.

Whenever Diamond shows up, it’s usually to pipe things like “Well, for *ME*, things are working out fine! *I* liked the game, so there!”

@diamond

You have every right to like the stuff that you do, but please don’t disregard issues others might be addressing. If you don’t agree and have nothing to contribute in most cases other than broad negations and some name-calling, then what are you even doing here?

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Diamond literally said “MOH: Warfighter is a good game” and was called a contrarian, which is derogatory even if it’s accurate. Maybe he’d not call people names if they didn’t call him names? I suppose this is all tautological at some point, “X insults Y so Y insults X so X insults Y” so perhaps the best solution is either kindness or willful ignorance of Diamond’s existence?

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Except he does that even when entirely unprovoked (in fact, it’s mostly entirely unprovoked), often simply because someone disagrees with his opinion.

Hell, it’s usually because he disagrees with their opinion.

Gareth
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Gareth

And also on some occasions just weird aggressive questions regarding something.

diamond
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diamond

I’d say that’s very inaccurate as there are plenty of games where I agree with the public consensus like GTA 5, the Mass Effect series, the Arkham series, etc.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

You know I was defending you, right?

diamond
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diamond

I know that, I was just preemptively addressing the people who were inevitably going to say that I am indeed a contrarian. Much like Jim preemptively addresses people he knows are going to insult him at the beginning of some JQ episodes(I.E. Sky Hype)

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

Do you understand that you can be a contrarian in one situation, and not be one in another? And that in stating “MOH: Warfighter is a good game” you are being contrarian, as that game is known to be (To paraphrase Jim) “Made entirely to satisfy EA’s hate boner for Call of Duty”. You can cite metacritic scores as much as you want, but it doesn’t change the idea ingrained in the public consensus that Warfighter wasn’t very good.

diamond
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diamond

I fail to see how merely not going with the general consensus automatically equals being a contrarian.

Is it really ingrained in the public consensus though? or is it just amongst the vocal minority that constantly follows gaming news? The fact that the game has a four star rating average on Amazon seems to indicate the latter. Cause there’s a number of people who don’t regularly follow gaming news and whatnot who honestly do like that game, I know it might seem hard to believe to people who never really venture outside of their own social circle, but it’s true.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

I’ll admit that forum cliques tend to foster inflammatory discourse. I’ve always tried not to fan the flames, but there’s been times where D. landed barbs that irked me.

He’s entitled to his opinions and it goes without saying that we should respect them, but when his opinions are formatted along the lines of “MOH Warfighter is a good game, you dumbfuck”, maintaining that respect becomes a bit difficult.

What do I know, maybe “dumbfuck” or “dumbass” are D.’s take on friendly little jabs on the shoulder, after all. In which case, that mild-mannered approach gets lost in translation.

Anton
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Anton

…..are we having an intervention? Because I would love that so much.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs
I get that he wants to offer corrections or state that things might work or otherwise be appreciable for others, but it never comes across as an addendum that is *needed* in the involved discussion. It comes across as weird ego-boosting attempts. @diamond – The only serious annoyance about your usual approach is the way it usually ignores what others are experiencing. Adding “I’m sorry Game Such-and-Such isn’t working for you” before adding a counterpoint would work wonders, for the most part. Also, please understand that common sense is subjective. It might seem obvious to you that Modern Warfare Remastered… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

It seems unthinkable that Activision would want to miss out on sales from people who only care about one game over the other.

I predict Modern Warfare Remastered will start getting sold separately within six months.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Until that happens, that’s all it is, Diamond. A prediction.

Someone on the Nintendo Swich’s article here assumed the console would bomb. I countered that I’d rather wait for the hardware to come out before assuming anything. Similarly, I’d rather a month or two passed before so much as contemplating the remaster’s future.

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

Do we need hats for an intervention? I thought there was something about hats? No? Okay….

Anton
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Anton

Fuck it, top hats for all!

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

Woo!

diamond
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diamond

i’m not disregarding anything, I wanted to dispel the notion that game installs on consoles always take a long time for everyone.

Gareth
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Gareth

Yeah but those types of responses also need to acknowledge that other people can experience such issues.

diamond
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diamond

and I have done that.

Gareth
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Gareth

Rarely.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Which is fine, but the only example you ever provide is your *own* experience. I mean, I’ve also had instances where my rig or consoles managed to run problematic games with less problems than what my friends were reporting, but if the evidence is there to support the fact that a game or system is the source of widespread problems, then I tend not to want to speak up and add that *my* experience is different.

Not unless I feel I have enough similar cases of success in my friends and family to warrant a precision or rebuttal.

diamond
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diamond

It’s not really that contrary, as you don’t see Warfighter on any worst games list, it’s certainly at least not compared to the likes of truly awful games like Ride to Hell or all those shitty Steam games.

Gareth
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Gareth

The problem is I’m not talking about Warfighter.

diamond
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diamond

The problem is I don’t think you actually know what “contrarian” actually means.

Gareth
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Gareth

You realise I’m referring to a lot of your opinions where frequently you state an enjoyment of something which the majority dislike or dislike of something the majority like. That would be a contrarian.

diamond
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diamond

Not necessarily true, plenty of the games that I state that I like are dislike are not ones the majority of the public like or dislike.

Hell i’ve actually been downvoted on Reddit for saying that I like Fallout 4, which is far from a contrarian opinion.

Gareth
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Gareth

But I’m not referencing those comments am I? I’m referencing the comments where that is truthful description of what you’ve written.

Gaealiege
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Gaealiege

Coming from a guy that thinks Resident Evil 6 is the best game of the series, I’m surprised you don’t find Ride to Hell endlessly enjoyable.

diamond
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diamond

It’s kind of funny in a so bad it’s good way at times, but it’s still a technical mess and a badly designed game overall, say what you will about RE6, at least that isn’t outright offensive like to Ride to Hell is with it’s depiction of female characters that only exist as fucktoys and nothing else.

ManuOtaku
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ManuOtaku

I never tried the titanfall series due my lack of internet at home these days since moving out to the countryside of things. But it reminds me in a good way gotham city impostors which was crazy fun with a lot of verticallity, my favorite FPS multiplayer game.

Batmatt
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Batmatt

“gotham city impostors […], my favorite FPS multiplayer game.”

I don’t think that this is a sentence that was ever written in human history before this day.

ManuOtaku
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ManuOtaku

Why is that? do you think it was that bad game?

Batmatt
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Batmatt

No no, I didn’t got to play it enough to say anything bad about it, it’s just… unusual to hear someone even speaking of that game. It came and went away without making too much noise.

ManuOtaku
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ManuOtaku

Yeah that is true, sadly, and no signs of a second game :´C

Jiryn
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Jiryn

I honestly loved Gotham City Imposters and I played it feverishly for the first few months of release.

Jiryn
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Jiryn
As I said on the last Titanfall 2 post Jim made… It’s ridiculous that EA is already calling this game a failure since it will ONLY sell 5 million units instead of it’s projected 10million. 5million is still a huge milestone and an massive adoption base. Especially for a fledgling IP only in it’s second iteration, and the first time the series has gone multi-platform. Many companies would kill for a 5million sales. Let’s not forget that it was not only dropped a week after BF1, but a week BEFORE Call of Duty Infinite Warfare. That’s the major problem, it… Read more »
Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Do you hear them? Do you hear the echoes of Resident Evil 6?

diamond
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diamond

My personal favorite RE game.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

And also the one that Capcom said was a failure after it sold 6 million copies.

diamond
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diamond

Capcom are idiots if they consider 6 million a failure.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Check out the old Jimquisition “Guns Blazing”. He goes more in-depth on this very subject.

diamond
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diamond

I’ve seen every JQ episode to date, I remember when Square Enix called Sleeping Dogs and Tomb Raider failures despite selling over a million copies each.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Did not know that, I thought it was considered a failure due to it going to pure action Horror instead of keeping some survival horror elements.
I enjoyed it, but at times was way over the top.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Capcom said it failed to meet its financial targets.
They said they expected it to sell 10 million or something.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

What echoes?

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Also, did anyone else notice that there’s no version on that Watch_Dogs 2 spreadsheet that actually has everything in it?
So if you actually wanted all of the stuff that they’re offering (for some reason) are they seriously actually legitimately literally expecting you to shell out for more than one edition?

diamond
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diamond

Luckily for me I never have a shit about collectors editions of games, it’s just a bunch of useless tat that’s going to gather dust. Season Pass i’ll likely get.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Exactly, and I think most people who even still buy triple-A DLC would probably do it that way.
Which raises the question: who exactly are they trying to sell this to? Do they really think that anybody would want to pay 16goddamn6 dollars for a robot tangentially attached to a game?

diamond
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diamond

Well Jim has mentioned how he sometimes buys collectors editions of games, and on a previous podcast he did actually express some interest in the robot for Watch Dogs 2.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

He does have a love of shit and tat. He’s said as much.
Of course, one has to keep in mind that in six months, that little robot is going to start showing up on Ebay for ten dollars.

Stormbringer
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Well that’s kind of why there’s a spreadsheet. If you want them all, you have to buy them all I’m sure. For no other reason than you’re crazy (let’s be honest, you’re crazy if you buy any of them.)

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta
So, with the massive failures of Titanfall, the flagship product of Xbone, and the sinking of the SS Call of Duty, we’re seeing a pattern of publishers betting the farm on formulas that have worked for them in the past, cranking out sequels to titles that sold well but had lukewarm reception. And they’re finally learning that they failed to accrue a loyal audience through years of disappointing products and exorbitant money-grubbing. And now enough people have finally been turned off that the audience for mainstream AAA development is starting to fracture. I’m reminded of an old line from the… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

COD is still selling really well, so it’s far from a failure.

aimei66
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aimei66
For me whether twitch or patreon are ebegging depends on how the person handles it. I have been on some channels that really do feel a lot like a telethon whose sole purpose is to make money. Others like, the Jimquisition, feel like there is a product being delivered and something that is worthy of paying for. Its like busking, you get some that clearly want to do it for some money, and there are others that are their because they want to share something with the world (and we all know which one we like to see and which… Read more »
MJC
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MJC

If anyone on Patreon is actually begging, they should be removed from Patreon.

aimei66
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aimei66

it is not actual begging as in ‘please give me money’ but when a large amount of the screen and content within revolves around who gave how much and they ask for patreon money too (not naming which gaming channel does this), it feels to me like begging.

ponyhammer
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ponyhammer

Well your patreon is e-begging but no one is forced to give to it so theirs no issues .

But one whole I agree with every thing in the vid .

MJC
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MJC

It’s not e-begging. You should look up what begging is before you accuse someone of doing it.

MJC
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MJC
Also Project Ten Dollar or whatever it was called where EA gave you some of the DLC for free if you bought the game new was not a bad thing! It was a reward for buying new, and used buyers could still buy the DLC separately if they wanted it! And yet everyone went on like it was terrible until EA did away with it and replaced it with online passes. Online passes were a punishment for everyone: used buyers didn’t get a complete product and new buyers still had to dick around inputting codes that may or may not… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

Watch Dogs 2 looks like a game of the year contender, i’ll be first in line to buy it.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

I’m honestly surprised not to see the word “Iconic” anywhere in that WD2 preorder bullshit.

Jarin
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Jarin

At this point, I’m rather more curious to find out who still IS giving Jim review copies, rather than those that aren’t. Shows those developers have some confidence in their products, at least.

Benj
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Benj

I agree, it’d be cool to have a list of the people who do and don’t offer Jim codes.

The “guys who understand how criticism works” list to praise those who do give out codes to independently minded critics and the “spineless [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫]” list for the blacklisters.

LatePocketwatch
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LatePocketwatch

Think Hanlon’s Razor goes: “Never attribute to malice what incompetence can explain.”

So, has EA crossed over where its reasonable to think they deliberately screwed over this release date for evidence to convince the public of necessity for BS?

The Jünger Ludendorf
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The Jünger Ludendorf

That, or they went the Konami route and sent the game out to its death for DARING to defy their EOverlord’s glorious DLC plan.

Maxwell Tucker
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Maxwell Tucker

Nah, their marketing team really is THAT stupid. At least I hope so.

Stormbringer
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There’s no malice involved. There’s just more grey goo games than there are months in a year.

Mike Wallace
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Mike Wallace

EA isn’t going to take the blame for this, either. They’re gonna heap it on the development team, for not making a perfect game despite EA’s shit release schedule, which is almost on par with Konami’s “Month of Madness” debacle.

Stormbringer
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I don’t know, the fact that a release schedule matters demonstrates that the product can’t be that good! When I see videos of these games, I’m not enticed. They just look like shiny overdressed things. There’s no substance. Things are being released all the goddamn time. People, this is just a shit hobby.

Mike Wallace
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Mike Wallace
My thoughts on it were EA got insecure again. It chose to release Titanfall because even though Battlefield 1 is considered a great game, a fresh take and has been the usual rival for Call of Duty, they couldn’t take CoD’s new sci-fi approach sitting down. So they released Titanfall 2 around the same time to compete with it if Battlefield 1 somehow didn’t make it. So I feel that yes, it was released at the wrong time. A Christmas release or yes, even a January one, might have given it more breathing room and left fewer fresh competitors to… Read more »
Stormbringer
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The timing should only have a marginal effect if what we are talking about its quality. Of course, that’s not what we are talking about. We are talking about fleecing idiot consumers with their heads up their asses.

bimmyz
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bimmyz
Anton
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Anton

Why…

bimmyz
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bimmyz

for the glory of satan, of course!

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

I don’t understand the continued fuss about Patreon, it’s really no different than subscribing to a website to support them, and heaps of sites have been offering that for years. The only difference is that Jim doesn’t make your experience shitter if you don’t subscribe.

MJC
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MJC

Some people will grasp at anything they can to jab at someone they don’t like.

Giorgos Katsas
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Giorgos Katsas
‘And it’s all EA’s fault’. That got a good laugh out of me, God bless you, Jim 😛 I like to think it’s 50% our fault too. There are so many ways for people to get informed on games and they just don’t use them. Either that or that fear that you are gonna be left out once the new COD is out. I hate both of these categories of people. I hate them with all my might and the fact that they may be the reason both for T2 bombing and for the GODDAMN BURNOUT SERIES disappearing makes me… Read more »
MJC
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MJC

Burnout was great until Paradise delivered the exact opposite of its namesake and shat all over the franchise.

diamond
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diamond

Paradise was a great game.

Captiosus
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Captiosus

It was a great game but a shitty BURNOUT game. It tried to be Burnout x Need for Speed Underground 2. No surprise EA decided to make Criterion their Need for Speed studio afterward.

diamond
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diamond

Well it was my first Burnout game, so maybe i’m biased.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

And then people complained Most Wanted was too much like Burnout…

Giorgos Katsas
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Giorgos Katsas

My opinion is stated through 300 hrs of playtime. The online component is so good that its servers undergo maintenance and have an active, albeit small, playerbase even today. The city was a blast to learn to run through and the gameplay was super solid. Not to mention custom soundtracks, one of the first console games that had that.

I may like Takedown more than Paradise but I consider both of them beasts when it comes to swallowing my free time.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t give a shit about being left out since I only ever play COD for single player, and IW’s campaign is really damn good.

Giorgos Katsas
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Giorgos Katsas

You’re a fine human exemplar 🙂

R.D.
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R.D.

Infinite warfare’s MP has kinda flopped though, so we’ll see what that does for Titanfall 2 in the long run. And I just realized that you can’t really used a ‘TF2’ shorthand for that…

Tohron
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Tohron

TFall2, maybe?

Andrew Barloq
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Andrew Barloq

TiFa2?

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

TitFall has been my favourite so far, as apparently my sense of humour never matured past 12 years old.

Takuma
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Takuma

To be fair there are a decent amount of games whose initialized name overlap.

GoW(God/Gears of War.) is probably the most prime example in my mind.
DS(Dark/Demon Souls, Darksiders, or Dead Space or are we talking about Nintendo’s handheld?)
AC(Assassin Creed or Animal Crossing or Arkham City?)
PoE(Path of Exile or Pillars of Eternity?).

Ect Ect.

A lot of the times you should be able to tell which one they are talking about based on context and I don’t think its any different with TF2.

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

Whenever I see DS, I always think “Dark Stalkers”.

Also – FF (Final Fantasy/Fatal Frame)

goodbyejojo
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goodbyejojo

apparently CoD IW isnt doing as well, people finally got sick off CoD in general, that mass disliked trailer shoulda been a indicator.

Eduardo Pigatto
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Eduardo Pigatto

The campaign was pretty dang rock solid though.

diamond
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diamond

Agreed, i’m curious to hear Jim’s thoughts on it.

Eduardo Pigatto
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Eduardo Pigatto

Not to mention that the PC port might be the best PC Port all year.

diamond
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diamond
It’s still doing insanely well compared to most games, and no most people are not sick of COD. As Total Biscuit has said, all the dislikes mean absolutely nothing as they’re mostly from people jumping on a bandwagon who already hated COD and were never going to buy IW anyways. People forget that the IW trailer is actually the most LIKED trailer in the history of the franchise, they also forget that the initial reveal trailer for Black Ops 2 was widely disliked in itself, but that didn’t make one blind bit of difference sales wise. COD may not be… Read more »
Jueta
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Jueta

Not only people that can’t tell the difference between both shooters, also people like me that bought BF1 before because I really was expecting titanfall 2 to suck so I ignored that it was coming out a week later. Now I bought BF1 and I don’t feel like shelling out another 50 or so € for another shooter. I’ll probably get it in a sale, but yeah, EA just shot itself, but more importantly, Respawn on the foot.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

Yay, Jimdependence is coming upon us!
Also, second only to Jim Fucking Sterling Son himself.

Jim Sterling
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Apparently embeds don’t work today because why should they? Sorry about that.

Eduardo Pigatto
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Eduardo Pigatto

Jim, there’s this game you should be looking out for:
Routine, a first person survival horror game which has been in development hell for 6 years, and well, Alien Isolation kind of ripped it off. Still, try checking it out once it comes out in March 2016. Perma-death with a story, btw.

diamond
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diamond

I hope it doesn’t have overly long unskippable death scenes like Isolation did.

diamond
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diamond

Hey Jim, what are your thoughts on the single player for Infinite Warfare? Angry Joe said he was surprised by how good the campaign was.

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