The Jimquisition: Prepare For Titanfail

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Titanfall 2 is brilliant, but it doesn’t look like luck (or an audience) has been on its side.

Let’s look at why it all fell apart, and why this is a shitty thing in the wider scheme of things.

Thanatos
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Thanatos

Simply put, there is not room for 3 multiplayer focused bro shooters to be released within a month of each other. People do not play two, let alone three at once.

Halloumi-cutlet
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Halloumi-cutlet

I’m insanely shit at Titanfall 2. Consistently bottom of my team. I still can’t get enough of it.

Gaijin-
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Gaijin-

I think Jim and other reviewers are misreading the lack of season pass and paid DLC as pro-consumer gestures when all they mean is that EA does not see a future for this game, hence not investing in additional content.

Weresquirrel
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Weresquirrel

Would it perhaps be too cynical and/or conspiracy theory-like to imagine that the release date was in fact a calculated move? So that they could point at the lack of season pass/microtransactions and single player campaign effort and say: “Oh look, see those aren’t good, let’s stay the course and continue being shitty, and if anyone pipes up we can tell them Titanfall 2 failed because of those things.”

Probably not. If it was Konami I could imagine it all to easily though.

Gareth
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Gareth

Why? As with Konami the general point is the complete lack of logic or anything resembling business sense.

Batmatt
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Batmatt

Self sabotage? I don’t think it goes that far… Sometimes they are just that dumb.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham
I think it just comes down to EA making the stupid mistake of forcing two of its own games to compete against each other AND Call of Duty. EA can claim all they like that they have different audiences, but in a saturated FPS market, that’s just not true. And it doesn’t help Titanfall 2’s case at all that the hype for the series fizzled out in the weeks after the first game’s launch. And yeah, I know some will say that we shouldn’t judge Titanfall 2 by the original, but people that don’t obsess over gaming news and media… Read more »
Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

…I just had a crazy idea… Maybe EA knew where the COD franchise was going and decided to dilute the sci-fi shooter market just before it launched? The logic being “We have Battlefield 1, that will easily make up any lost sales from either game due to being a massive crowd pleaser. Now we have to focus on spoiling our main competitor’s releases. Having seen COD: IW perhaps we should release Titanfall 2 shortly before Activision releases their game and cannibalize its sales?”

Ana Decker
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Ana Decker

You overestimate the push against season passes/microtransactions. There’s certainly not anywhere near enough to justify throwing a product as expensive as Titanfall 2 out to die just to set a told-you-so precedent.

But, while I don’t believe it’s a calculated move, you can be sure they’ll be milking this debacle for all it’s worth anyway.

Bedinsis
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Bedinsis

This situation reminds me of Ubisoft in 2003.
In November of that year they released Beyond Good and Evil, an action-adventure game with gun free combat and a teen-rating.
The same month they also released Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, an action-adventure game with gun free combat and a teen-rating. Oh, and it was part of an established franchise.
Beyond Good and Evil died in the crib following that release, and the plans for sequels were scrapped.

David James Booth
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David James Booth

What’s the betting Respawn will end up being the scapegoat. Lets face it EA CEO’s are grand masters at shifting blame at this point.

Unnoticing Senpai
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Unnoticing Senpai

The reason it failed? Not enough microtransactions.

Wellsy487
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Wellsy487
I think it’s a shame when a good game goes wrong. I haven’t brought it yet, but sounds worth getting. Sadly large companies have so many different sections that don’t speak to each other that they end up cocking up monumentally like EA has with Titanfall, and sadly nothing will come of it. Companies quite often don’t realise that there are problems until it is too late. I used to work in a large corporation, and watched it destroy the small section I worked in through incompetence until I got out. Sadly there will no lessons learnt from Titanfall 2… Read more »
Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

What has to be the biggest burn in recent gaming is that Titanfall, with its wall running and double jumping, gets ripped off by CoD and Titanfall is the one that fails. Unbelievable! Titanfall has giant mechs! That should instantly put it past CoD! Something just isn’t right.

jedimastercosmin
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jedimastercosmin

I loved this episode. Jim actually took a game company like EA and made them feel like a tragic villain.
Have you ever thought about writting novels, Jim?

Gareth
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Gareth

He’s mentioned that on Podquisition a few times.

Captiosus
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Captiosus

Part of me is very cynical about the whole thing. EA would never agree to such a thing for Battlefield (or even Battlefront) and part of me feels the free DLC and release placement were purposeful decisions by a company not completely invested in the IP. Respawn might own the rights to the franchise but if it effectively flops twice (commercially), I doubt any other publisher would bother picking it up.

diamond
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diamond

It’s gotta suck for Respawn for their game to crushed by the very franchise they helped create(in case you didn’t know, Vince Zampella and Jason West, heads of Respawn, used to work at Infinity Ward, and it was them that essentially made Call of Duty the powerhouse it is today).

RagnarokNCC
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RagnarokNCC

Own it. Love it. Stand by it. I hope Titanfall has a long tail.

Daemoroth
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Daemoroth

Waiting for my PS4 Pro then I’ll be picking it up as well. Even if I won’t play multiplayer (I suck incredible amounts) I just want to show my support for a good game.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski
Even the campaign is worth the purchase. It’S been a LONG time since I had this much fun with a single player (AAA) game. It’s got a lot of fun platforming, shooting is solid, a huge variety of guns, mech gameplay has this complexity to it, not like it’s hard to control, but you get more options, like your main weapon, a shoulder mounted weapon, and a few special abilities, not to mention like 10 different load outs you can switch to on the fly. It is a bit short, I think I’m nearly done with it and I’ve only… Read more »
Daemoroth
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Daemoroth

Utterly worth it!! 😀 Loved the creativity in the campaign maps, two in particular, and I’ll stop in case you’re still going (Yes, I binged it). 😛

Steven Wells
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Steven Wells

Only 17 pre recorded voices in the robot that costs 114.99gbp – 60gbp for the game and season pass (lets face it, the season pass should be part of the game) so the robot itself costs 54.99gbp.

only 17 voices… lol no sorry, for those of us in asia, I can get Kamen Rider belts, yokai watches for half that with way more pre recorded sounds in the toys.

Christoph Brinkmann
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Christoph Brinkmann

Now to sit back and wait for Ubisoft’s employees disguising themselves as fans leaping on here and saying how great it is that Ubi is giving us options.

Because make no mistake, those posts are coming.

Siddartha 85
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Siddartha 85

Isn’t it great that we can augment our preorders? Once, we could only preorder or not preorder. Now, we can tell our friends and augment those preorders! Truly, the grim cyberpunk future is now!

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

But can we tell our pre-orders and augment our friends?

Unnoticing Senpai
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Unnoticing Senpai

Why not augment yourself?
Install uPlay in your body today!

Wolfie
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Wolfie
thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

That’s a bit off Wolfie, inserting that into yourself is supposed to enjoyable, I doubt Uplay: Suppository edition will be that pleasurable.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

The pleasure is walled of as day 1 DLC.

Wellsy487
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Wellsy487

Not if you pre-ordered your pre-order, but if you augmented that pre-order then you could get it three days earlier.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

Haha! That could be inconvenient, you actually get an orgasm before you get the orgasm before you get the butt plug. In public. At your mothers funeral.

Gareth
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Gareth

This is actually along the lines of the question I sent to Podquisition last week. Trans humanism in the hands of current corporations is frightening prospect

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

As a fan of games and gaming related things, I would have to say that it is so gracious of Ubisoft to give us options for our pre orders, just like EA gave us options for our shooters this season. Because before, the game you got was the game you got, now we can augment our pre orders AND have the option to pay a small fee for better in game gear for our multiplayer avatars. So thanks again, Ubisoft. Can I have my family back now?

Siddartha 85
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Siddartha 85

Isn’t it a bit early to dig this game’s grave? I just bought it this week. It’s amazing.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when Jim was talking about what the press was saying. It hasn’t really been out that long, but it seems AAA games need to make ALL the money straight away to be successful.

Maxwell Tucker
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Maxwell Tucker

That’s how these AAA publishers work. They only care about immediate short term profits they can show off to their shareholders. Long term isn’t a that big a deal.

Meyneth
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Meyneth

Attack on Titanfall.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

I’d play it, but only if it played more like Titanfall and less like a Koei Tecmo game.

Nitrium
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Nitrium

This is just Battleborn vs Overwatch all over again imo. Except this time there are THREE competing titles. People are just getting what their friends are getting, and Titanfall doesn’t have anything resembling a huge fan base.

diamond
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diamond

I’m fucking done with Blizzard myself, I gave up on Hearthstone after it implemented formats.

Nitrium
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Nitrium

I just play Dirty Bomb, which costs zero.

diamond
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diamond

Good on you.

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

I’m surprised no one has made a “play my WILD CARD, bitches” joke yet…. Damn, just missed my chance….

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Formats? I’ve been out of the Hearthstone loop for a while now.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

I think it’s something like you can only use certain cards in certain formats, basically. Like the new “Standard” format excludes some of the more OP older cards. They have “Wild” which is any type of cards, and probably some others.

diamond
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diamond

Earlier this year they introduced Wild and Standard game formats, one forbids you from using certain cards, the other lets you use any cards you want, after that I just stopped caring about Hearthstone.

Gareth
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Gareth

That is pretty much how CCG’s work though. They have a block cycle where the current cards are legal until new sets are introduced at which point the older cards are no longer part of the standard format.

Clearly that would eventually occur with Hearthstone when it had enough cards for their to be a standard format as it prevents the winning deck type from becoming static.

diamond
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diamond

There is still a problem of static netdecks winning constantly even with the different formats though, that’s one of the things that drove me away from Hearthstone.

Wayne You Nerd
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Wayne You Nerd

Yeah, I doubt you’re going to see porn versions of Titanfall than COD or Battlefield.

I’m serious. Jim did brought up how a lot of Overporn is proof of how popular Overwatch is compared to Battleborn. Hell, even Chinese ripoffs of Overwatch has proven it.

It’s as if you can gauge the popularity of an IP just by how much porn or ripoffs of it exists.

George
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George

A combination of brand fatigue, shooter fatigue, poor timing and poor branding. With all the bitter feelings from the original Titanfall they should have just called something else entirely.

that said, maybe just maybe this is the beginning of a shift? Maybe this is a symptom of eroding customer confidence? Do customers really want to keep giving EZ, Activision ect chances? It could be that people are getting fed up?

diamond
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diamond

Is it really shooter fatigue if BF1 and IW sold really well though?

I don’t know if it’s a shift, if TF2 had not been released in such a crowded market, it undoubtedly would’ve done better.

Calling it something else would’ve only made the sales worse.

There’s a large majority of people who are unaware of the hatred that companies like EA and Activision have on certain forums. I’m talking about the people that go Gamestop for all their new releases and who don’t hang out on Reddit all day.

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

Different people have different levels of tolerance for things, but most consumers I would think would really only have the time and desire for one shooter at a time, and by clumping these games they’ve created a three way tug of war that EA are bound to come out poorly as they’re cannibalizing their own support. If they’d have held off it might have sold better.

George
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George

Sorry, I meant that in terms of “I already just bought a shooter.” that kind of fatigue.

BAH!
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BAH!

So more like “wallet fatigue”.

George
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George

Ya know, I can’t believe I missed that one. Seriously.

After all, the average customer only has so much money. They can’t possibly buy it all.

Nitrium
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Nitrium

No imo people just gravitate to whatever seems to be the most popular (a “wisdom of crowds”). If everyone you know is playing BF1 or CoD, are you really going to get Titanfall 2? Really? This is a near exact repeat of Battleborn vs Overwatch.

diamond
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diamond

I will because I don’t give a shit about multiplayer.

Gareth
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Gareth

And the people that do care?

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42
I don’t think it’s shooter fatigue so much as poor timing and poor branding. As you point out, people still have a lot of bitterness over Titanfall. It’s also baffling that EA would release a shooter directly in competition with one of their own other brands. It was never going to do well against BF1, that brand actually still has a reputation. I imagine a gamer looking at the new releases and seeing Battlefield 1 and Titanfall 2, remembering they liked Battlefield but Titanfall sucking and just getting Battlefield. Despite what EA said, both games ARE competing for the same… Read more »
George
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George

I would have put Titanfall in the tagline and gone the whole “spiritual successor (even though it wouldn’t be really) route.”

But I agree it is a baffling business choice to release it when they did.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

I believe that something more literal would’ve been better “Giant Robot Murderfest: No Microtransactions” would honestly grab my attention more than “Titanfall 2” or “Planetary Combat: Titanfall”

George
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George

“Giant Robot Murderfest” is genius. And would probably catch a lot of people’s attention.

Shadow Fire
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Shadow Fire

The whole “No Microtransactions” thing would get my attention too. It’s honestly why I followed through with the purchase despite loathing Origin. That said now all I want to do is come up with alternative titles for video games…
“Arkham Knight”? “Bat Tank Vs. Robots: Joker Sidekick edition”.

“Mirror’s Edge: Catalyst”? “Outrun: Bullets, ‘Bots, and Bruisers”.

Or “Undertale”. “Punch or Hug: Emotional Rollercoaster Edition”.

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

“Streets of Rage”? How about “Post Financial Crisis Europe Simulator”?

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

“Battlefield 1”. “World War Super Soldiers’ Stories”

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

Good names, except they already have a game called Outrun. How about Parkour Puncher: the Dystopia Destroya?

diamond
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diamond

I think games should have a sticker that says whether they have microtransactions or not.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

I would buy a game called Giant Robot Murderfest.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

Planetary Combat: Titanfall sounds like a bad Steam Greenlight game.

Captiosus
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Captiosus

The problem here is they DO reference the first game, repeatedly, early on. They mention elements and battles from the first game’s lackluster campaign and the fight for Demeter. So it really is a direct sequel, but not one where playing the first one is required. Having now played through the campaign multiple times, I can’t see how they could have called it anything OTHER than “Titanfall 2”.

Besides no one seemed to mind when Mass Effect debuted on PS3 with Mass Effect 2, and that was a franchise where NOT playing the first game was a detriment.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

See, here is where I would argue they could have gone the “Final Fantasy XIV: A realm reborn” route. It still refers events of “Final Fantasy XIV: This sucks balls and everyone who was involved was fired”, but its name makes it clear that it’s a re-invention of the game rather than a retread of the first.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

I can agree with the timing and shooter fatigue, but this is only the second game. There can’t possibly be brand fatigue if there wasn’t only one game 3 years before it. And I like the name. Titanfall has that excitement to it. They even say “prepare for Titanfall” in the game. If they called it anything else, I don’t think it would work as well.

Unnoticing Senpai
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Unnoticing Senpai

I was cautiously optimistic for Watchdogs 2, but at this point, I don’t even feel gutted as a customer, just… thoroughly uninterested.

diamond
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diamond

Do you even care about the collectors editions though? I certainly don’t, the standard edition is more then enough for me, I have no interest in spending hundreds of dollars on useless tat which will only take up space and gather dust(I do not share Jim’s love of collecting figures, I prefer to spend my money on stuff that does more then just sit around and look pretty)

Unnoticing Senpai
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Unnoticing Senpai

There’s just… too damn much going on here right now.
Have you ever had an interest in something, but a fandom keeps pushing it in your face about how it’s amazing and you must try it or you’re not worthy of being a human being, and then subsequently lose interest?
All these collector’s editions are sort of like that, except instead of fans they’re publishers.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t really see the collectors editions being marketed that aggressively though, seems like they’re only aimed at people with lots of money to burn.

It’s not like the collectors edition are the only way to access certain parts of the story or anything like that. I find it easy to just buy the standard versions and totally ignore all that collectors edition nonsense.

I was turned off from ever playing Undertale after seeing how volatile some of it’s fanbase was(that and i’m not that big on 2-D RPGs anymore)

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

And how about those DLC clothes?Ugh! No thanks.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

The colour scheme change feels welcome, but there’s something about the game’s tone that just leaves me completely indifferent. DedSec feels like a trendy, United Colors of Benetton-esque version of Anonymous to fit with the trim, fit and trendy San Franciscans, and that somehow annoys me to no end.

Granted, all of the above is just personal projection and interpretation.

diamond
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diamond

Does not really annoy me at all, I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with Anonymous/4 chan, so it makes sense to me to portray Dedsec that way in the series.

Charlie Koszulinski
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Charlie Koszulinski

Same. I was entertaining thoughts of getting Watchdogs 2, then the DLC wave hit, I hadn’t flashbacks to my disappointment of the previous game, then realized that AAA, third person, open world games are usually shit. I was already disappointed with Mafia 3, I don’t need to waste money on another game that I’ll get bored of way too quick.

People are talking about shooter fatigue on here, what about open world fatigue? And the stiff, clunky ass controls that come with them. I think it’s time for a revolution.

Malidictus
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Malidictus
I don’t know how I feel about this. On the one hand I DO want to buy Titanfall, but on the other… I’m no longer a fan of these monolithic $60 games any more. I don’t feel like buying one monolithic game every year, then throwing it in the bin for Game 2 next year. From my experience with both MMOs and some smaller PC games, I’d rather buy a game and then support it through periodic DLC than throw it away for the next one. Even if that ends up costing me more over the lifespan of the game,… Read more »
Gordon Bennett
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Gordon Bennett

Was that the theme music from Allo Allo playing faintly in the background during the Ubisoft segment?

theeheadache
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theeheadache

bought it the other day to solve my shooter jones during the holiday seasons. it’s a robust single player but it feels a bit too short. not had a problem on multiplayer but.. capture the flag took a bit longer than comfortable. very interested if they do no charged dlc or mike row transactions.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

I almost feel compelled to buy a copy of Titanfall 2, but then I remember how much I disliked the first one.

NYC is going to be rockin this weekend, fighting and boglins, what more could you ask for?

diamond
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diamond

I didn’t care for the first one either, but I really dug TF2.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Hummm, I will keep an open mind towards it!

Anton
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Anton

Wait for a sale. The campaign is decent, but shorter than the average COD story. The MP is dying off, so it doesn’t really contribute to the value. It also feels worse than the first one.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Well I found with the first games multiplayer was that you were best to put the Titan into patrol mode and not actually get into it. That made me think, they have designed this game that’s about big robots and the most effective way of playing the game is to not ever getting into the Titan.
That’s what put me off of the first one.

Mandrake42
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Mandrake42

Jim didn’t like the first one either, to the extent that he pretends it doesn’t exist and just considers this the first one 🙂

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

So the next game in the franchise should be Titanfall2 2

Wolfie
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Wolfie

No no, Tititanfall 3x.67ish.

OR we could go Naked Gun numericals and go with Titanfall 2 1/2. But only if one of the mechs has the voice of Leslie Nielson.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

All the games need more Leslie Nielsen!

Kev' Bryant
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Kev' Bryant

Can we start a petition to have him as a party member in the new Mass Effect? There must be enough voice clips to work with….

Artemiy
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Artemiy

They’ll go Metafont route and call the next game Titanfall 2.1. The third game would be Titanfall 2.18.

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Well, this simply proves one thing. Gamers are utter liars whenever they whine about wanting ‘new IPs’. EA from 2008 to now, is a perfect example. They try new stuff, they fail.

Activision uses the same formula for the last near decade, and gamers lap it up. Hell, they do the worse of season pass shenanigans. And they still do great.

That tells me that any one who claims that they want ‘innovation’ they’re lying.

Max Whiteley
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Max Whiteley

Chivalry was a fairly unique ip from activision, and sky landers was pretty game changing.

Anton
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Anton
Not sure if I agree. Dead Space would have turned into a hit, but the undoing of that franchise was completely on EA’s hands. The first game was pretty much perfect; the second game strayed a little but was still good. The third game stripped away any pretense of horror, turned every minute into a Michael Bay action sequence, and completely screwed up the weapons just so they could jam microtransactions in there. Titanfall, meanwhile, may be a new IP, but tbh its marketing never convinced people it wasn’t just a literal COD clone with occasional mechs. It was also… Read more »
diamond
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diamond

I disagree, I thought the second and third games were both better then the first one(which isn’t bad, but has some issues), the third one still felt like a horror game to me, I don’t know where people get the Michael Bay(who I actually like) comparisons at all.

Gurphardt
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People speak ill of DS3 a lot (and the weapon system deserves to slagged off, honestly, Ellie’s role in the story took an obnoxiously cliched turn), but it had so many great elements in it. The free flying section, Tau Volantis as a setting, finally sticking it to the Unitologists, the late game plot twists… I have a lot of fond memories of that game.

Anton
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Anton

I did mess myself when I realized that Simon Templeman (aka Kain) voiced the leader of the unitologists. That was pretty great.

Unfortunately, adding unitologists also meant that DS3 kept trying to imitate Gears of War and failed miserably.

diamond
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diamond

Eh, I didn’t really see any similarities between the two franchises.

One franchise is much more cover based and aggressive, another franchise is based more on being strategic and careful planning.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

Dead Space was a horror series that by 3 had lost all of the horror. It was the same primary issue Resident Evil 5 had.

diamond
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diamond

Both of those games still felt like horror to me, just a different kind of horror as opposed to the previous games in the series.

Much like Aliens is a very different film to Alien, but both are horror films at heart,

Gurphardt
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Eh, I didn’t think it was that bad, those parts were nowhere near as awkward as RE5’s cover shooting sections.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Shit, I watched The Neighbours only because Templeman played the aliens’ leader. I’d pay him to voice my GPS as Kain or to read through my groceries list, if I could.

Gareth
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Gareth

I tend to find myself expecting characters Templeman voices to act in certain ways. He voices Jason’s uncle in the Argonauts RPG and immediately thought he’ll be betraying me then.

Anton
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Anton

In the third game, you get to assemble a rapid-fire shotgun that has a rocket launcher attachment with near-infinite, constantly replenishing ammo. Almost all the environments are completely lit. You get a co-op buddy who does his absolute darnedest to look like Marcus Fenix. And we even get a cheesy love triangle.

After all that, I have to ask, “donde esta El Horror?”

diamond
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diamond

I saw DS3 as action-horror much like both of the Suffering games.

Anton
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Anton

Well, there is plenty of action – and I will admit that DS3 can be very fun at times, from a purely mechanical standpoint. But is it ever scary? Creepy, even?

diamond
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diamond

I did find it creepy at times, not really scary, but then again i’m someone who has never been scared by games, movies or TV shows(largely because of my Asperger’s Syndrome) so I have a rather unique perspective on horror games as a result.

Jim himself really liked Dead Space 3 and said it did still have some horror elements in it.

Anton
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Anton

That’s fair.

diamond
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diamond

No they do want new IPs fool, Titanfall 2 sold 5 million copies, which isn’t exactly a flop, it’s just not as good as EA estimated it would sell.

Gareth
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Gareth

What part of that response required you to insult the person you were responding to?

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

The part where he called us liars, thus starting the shit flinging.

Gareth
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Gareth

There’s a difference between a general statement and one directed at you personally. You also can just let it go.

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

I could and probably will, but I will take more than a few minutes. Also fuck you for putting that song back in my head.

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

Once again we fall into the trap of lumping to completely separate demographics into one homogeneous lump. There are most definitely gamers who are interested in new IP and have never bought a COD of Battlefield title. I know, I’m one of them. And if EA hadn’t burned every bridge with me already, and I was actually fond of shooters I might’ve bought Titanfall.

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Those gamers that want change are either too small a group to actually matter, or aren’t ponying up the cash to prove that they really do want IPs.

Sorry, evidence suggests otherwise: No one REALLY wants change.

diamond
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diamond

If that’s true, then how come Watch Dogs and the first Titanfall sold so incredibly well?

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat
Actually this calls to mind another logical problem with your argument Chris, the basic assumption that a game with a 2 next it constitutes any reflection on new IP, or that it reflects a lack of desire for change. The whole point of Jim’s article is that it isn’t really that different from the games it’s competing against, at least not a level that’s apparent to the average consumer prior to purchase. It and Infinite Warfare my play very differently once to get into it, but at a box art level, one’s a sci-fi shooter and the other is well,… Read more »
chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Gaming is a sequel driven industry. Sequels meaning more of the same in the franchise. And given how many versions of Battlefield and Call of Duty there are, I’d say they’re right.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

A combination of pre-order culture, media hype (sometimes even helmed by review sites), and consumers who are not as “in-the-loop” thus going by the marketing alone which is always going to be positive. That is the point of marketing, after all.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

That’s true. We like to assume that all gamers exchange and congregate, that we stay abreast of industry news and try and make sensible purchases, but there’s a solid chunk of us that’s happy with pre-ordering whatever strikes their fancy, waiting for it, then snagging it at their retail outlet of choice, come what may.

There’s also those of us who wholeheartedly buy into the hype train and need years to see past their rose-tinted glasses.

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Point to me where they’re different? Also, Titanfall 1 didn’t do as hotly as they wanted, because the player base vanished very quickly. Also, Watchdogs got panned shortly after its release, did it not? Wasn’t one of the complaints about how the radio towers were too much like Assassin’s Creed own map towers?

And yet, CoD still outsold them all. Gamers hate change, gamers buy games that are the same as the last version.

diamond
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diamond

Watch Dogs wasn’t really panned so to speak, most critics really liked it(including Jim himself), and it has a decent userscore of 6.3.

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

As much as I agree that a 6.3 is not a bad score, and TO ME means the game may have some fun, the issue is that to a lot of people, including some publishers and gamers, than anything under a 7 is garbage.

Not a mindset I understand, but one I’ve heard plenty of times.

diamond
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diamond

That is unfortunate, which is why I respect Angry Joe and Jim for not going down that route, making it clear that 5-7 ratings are not indicative of bad games.

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

I wish more people believed that, I truly do. I’ve had a lot of fun with games that ranked a 5 on a few sites I trusted, and even though I agreed with the score in general (The Momodora series of games was a fun, if average experience to me,for example. Doesn’t do anything outstanding, but fun.)

But a lot of gamers will not even look at a game unless it’s a 7 at worse, an 8 at least.

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

Because the Games industry isn’t prepared to moderate itself to provide to niche audiences. We couldn’t pony up the level of cash that would satisfy these assholes if we tried, you’ve heard the ridiculous sales targets demanded of these franchises, EA and it’s ilk sets themselves up for failure and then blames us.

George
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George

What about Splatoon?

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Nintendo has a unique spot, and don’t have the audience to actually amount to anything in this discussion. I wish they did, though, I really do. I miss them.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham
I don’t think discounting Splatoon when it comes to discussion of new IPs is worth it. Splatoon is highly successful for a new franchise, especially one that launched solely on one platform, and a platform that didn’t sell all that well at that. Nintendo proved that there’s a market for colorful competitive shooters that emphasize goals other than getting higher kill/death ratios than the other players. if any company should be commended for their work in creating a brand new shooter IP, as well as managing to market and sell it to success, it’s Nintendo. And hell, Splatoon had a… Read more »
chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

The issue is that Splatoon is a single console exclusive that isn’t getting a sequel that’s multiplatform, and it never will. Nintendo has this unique self-contained ecosystem that’s slowly shrinking. They’re taking chances with new IPs because they can and they don’t have to worry about competition.

EA and Acti don’t have that luxury.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

*Cough* Overwatch *Cough*

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Rehash of TF2, which proves my point.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

No. You’ll have to explain how it is a rehash for people who never play in PC.

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

It’s another first person arena shooter. Which we’ve had since Unreal Tournament which HAS been on consoles. The fact that there’s funky powers you can trigger changes nothing, it’s still a rehash of a game everyone knows about.

Overwatch is not different enough. Sorry.

Doesn’t meant it isn’t fun, it just means it’s unoriginal.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Well, the fact that each character plays differently and that the arenas are designed asymmetrically are a big change and pretty rare in console games. To prove your point, you’ll have to mention at least one previous console game that did both of them and was successful too.

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Call of Duty, or any shooter that has Medics, Engineers, Heavy Weapons experts.. The ;powers’ are more pronounced, but they are there in most arena shooters.

You’re picking straws here.

Again, Overwatch is FUN. But not original enough.

And even IF it was, the fact that CoD which according to sales in the UK, managed to beat Overwatch in it’s first week, and it’s down 50%. CoD sold HALF AS WELL and it still out selling Overwatch.

Sorry, bub, gamers don’t want innovation. They reward those that don’t.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

And you do?

chrisbrady
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chrisbrady

Yes, I do. BUT I don’t expect it. I’ve been gaming for over 30 years, I’ve seen all sorts of shit, and simply accept that humans, all humans, hate change. After all, the phrase “The Devil you know, than the Devil you don’t.”

It says that you’d rather deal with the bad thing, because taking a chance could be worse. No one assumes that the unknown could be a good thing.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

So? It’s a new IP.

George
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George
90% disagree and 10% agree. The agree part: I would say that in all things customer/art product related, there is a segment of the population that is made to sound far louder than it is thanks to the internet and that there is a significant % of said people who will not put it’s money where its mouth is. The disagree part: I would blame this bizarre situation on the way that AAA games are budgeted (or lack there of). There are a lot of customers that want new IP’s or even old IP’s with new ideas and directions. There… Read more »
Just Some Guy
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Just Some Guy

It’s an online service based game, you can bet at least that portion will have micro-transactions, especially if they’re not charging for content updates. With buy to play online games, the initial cost would be for the development, and starting infrastructure cost, micro-transactions, DLC, and other on going/future costs cover continued maintenance, and development.

tom
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tom

Crappy EA will blame the titanfall game that’s 90% on Metacritic before they ever blame themselves for sandwiching Titanfalls low sales.

Can I also add the insanity of releasing Owlboy during the same period.
A game that took 10 years to make by small indie team, was released surrounded by HUGE publisher titles. WTF x 1000.

Brad Fang
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Brad Fang

I am not sure those titles cannibalize each other.
But it is also very difficult for me to criticize Owlboy.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

Did I miss it or was there no mention of the fact that the PC release of Titanfall 2 was an Origin exclusive? It’s not surprising anyone with EA games these days, but the fact that it’s only sold on EA’s walled garden probably contributes to the abysmal sales PC side.

diamond
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diamond

Origin alone does not mean EA PC games won’t sell, Mass Effect 3 sold really well on PC.

Gennadios
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Gennadios
It was a far more innocent time. Back in those days Bioware and the Mass Effect property could be considered a “killer app” to get people to adopt the service, find out that it’s not so bad, and potentially get in the habit of using it. Howadays? Users of various forums can barely muster a “Meh” about Mass Effect Andromeda reveals, and Origin isn’t bad but by no means good. For the average PC game player, buying TF2 requires logging into Origin (possibly for the first time in months,) finding it on the storefront, and going through the order process.… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

I feel that if Andromeda reviews well the ME brand is going to explode again.

ME3 screwed the pooch, but gamer attention spans are short.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

I guess we’ll see.

I expect Andromeda to sell well, though how well is the better question. Mass Effect diehards will be all over it, of course, but people that aren’t as interested in the new setting and characters, or who absolutely despised ME3 will probably think twice before buying at launch, at least.

Anton
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Anton

I used to be a ME diehard, but then I took an ME3 ending to the brain.

diamond
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diamond

I’m still a a big fan in spite of the awful ending(i’ll never understand why Laura K Buzz keeps defending it)

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

That I really can’t explain, then again it’s mystifying to me that this was a surprise to anyone as it was apparent to me from the first game they had no idea where they were going with this. That the game was just a bad copypaste of sci-fi elements of the Bioware story template.

Michael Prymula
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Didn’t feel like a “Copy paste” to me at all.

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

Didn’t obviously to a lot of people since the second sold so well, but I saw it. It’s mediocrity combined with the annoyances of DA:O online bullshit is pretty much what sealed EA games as an automatic no sale to me, and when Origin rolled around they were officially dead to me.

diamond
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diamond

I don’t really see how it’s mediocre, seems a bit silly to me to avoid all EA games because a couple did not appeal to you.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

While not necessarily copy/paste, it was evident that the team didn’t have the trilogy’s story planned out in advance and just sort of winged it. It didn’t help that the lead writer of ME1 & 2 left Bioware before ME3’s story was written, either.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

I wasn’t aware of that. Huh.

Justin Graham
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Justin Graham

Heh. Fair enough. That ending was astoundingly awful.

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

Still blocks a lot of sales, I won’t touch origin with a barge pole. Hell I resisted Steam for years.

Michael Prymula
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Origin actually has way better customer service then Steam does, as they will happily give out refunds as Total Biscuit can personally attest to, they actually had refunds way before Steam did.

thatdamnrat
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thatdamnrat

It was more about Steam’s ubiquity and how you really needed it at the time to access certain independent games you really couldn’t otherwise. I really should switch to using GOG more.

diamond
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diamond

I always buy games on Gog over Steam if a game I’m interested in is available on both.

Brad Fang
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Brad Fang

That’s why I don’t have it. I can’t access the Origin games taking space up on my HDD because the email associated w my Origin acct is no longer active. Rad.