The Jimquisition: Shadow Of More Dollars

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Oh sorry, did you think we were NOT going to look at microtransactions coming to Shadow of War?

Did you think the appearance of loot boxes for a single-player game would escape my Sauronesque eye?

Did you really think I’d not take EVERY opportunity to bash something Warner Bros. has done?

If you don’t know me by now…

Nitrium
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How long have “AAA” games cost US$60 now? Are games immune from inflation for some reason? Movie tickets keep going up to cover the ever increasing costs of blockbuster film production costs (as does most everything else, like food, electricity etc), why haven’t “AAA” games followed suit? Instead of simply charging $65 (which would have been the obvious thing to do imo), they instead fill games with microtransactions, DLC, skins etc to recoup expenses (i.e. keep their cost/profit ratio intact). Perhaps they make more money from microtransactions in a $60 than simply charging $65 or $70 for the same game?

Cobra_IronFang
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Cobra_IronFang

The more I hear about the shady shitty practices that these “AAA Games Companies” deal in the more I can almost come to believe that scum like Digital Homicide ain’t that bad. Now run with me on this, I know they are crazy people with no concept of reality but at least they only charge you once and leave it at that. True all the crap they sell has no effort put in and is overpriced… but at least they only charge you once… with no DLC and no DAMMED MICROTRANSACTIONS. So ye that’s how bad its gotten in some… Read more »

Appretaur
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Appretaur

“You faithless, doubtless, little… fools.” Wouldn’t you say that doubtless is the complete opposite of faithless in the context of this sentence? Anyway, I think this episode didn’t spend enough time hammering home the particular point that part of why this latest microtransaction story is worse than ever is because it’s also being used as pay-to-win for the multiplayer component. A pay-to-win element in which the orcs you get from the loot chests can be lost and killed while engaging in the multiplayer if you’re trying for the high ranks specifically, and you are incentivized to be highly ranked and… Read more »

Truehare
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Truehare

“Shelob breathes through her skin.”

Damn you, Jim, you start the video with that, how can it get better from there?

Well, guess I’ll have to stop laughing, unpause the video and find out, won’t I?

Benj
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Benj

I think you the argument of “microtransactions imply that playing less of the game is a reward” thing is definitely a good argument to keep making because it affects everyone.

The whole immorality/ exploitation side doesn’t reach a large group of people because too many gamers enjoy the smug superiority of knowing that other people will buy them but they won’t.

This way the real gamer who grinded for 5 hours is as big of an idiot.

Olyphantastic
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Olyphantastic

I never really believe that much in the gambling aspect, as I never really carred that much about skins. But then the god damn micro-transactions for Playerunknown Battlegrounds came, and I become obsessed by getting either the school girl out for my chick, or the instructor girl outfit, both from the Battle Royale film. So you use your BP points to get a crate, you can only get max six a week, and they get more expensive. The developers don’t sell crates, but they sell keys, $2,5.Has an okay player I get 3 a week if I get 1200 bp… Read more »

LegendaryFrog
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LegendaryFrog

I still cannot understand why people will spend money on micro-transactions. Some types of DLC, I can understand. I picked up the Witcher 3 DLC packs, but those were whole new scenarios with new locations, voice acting, skills, cut scenes and stories. Spending real money on crafting materials, experience boosters and one time use items is so profoundly stupid I don’t understand why people don’t rage against the producers. If the game is set up to goad you into buying an experience booster by lowering the experience gained then the producer is just using you and you should be angry… Read more »

Jiryn
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Jiryn

(Had to make a second post) I literally have begun to refuse to buy WB games at release due to their shady, and crappy practices. When a game has the friggan gull to not only advertise their DLC and Season Passes before the game is releases, but even show you what you’ll be missing if you don’t buy the DLC or Season Passes MONTHS in advance.. I view the initial release as nothing more than an early access game. Needless to say, almost every WB game has had a “Complete Edition” released within 6-8 months of the initial release, which… Read more »

Jiryn
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Jiryn

As I said last week, I actually know someone who was working for Monolith and had worked on Shadows of War and designed the initial system for the MicroTransactions… when they saw someone bitching about the Microtransactions a few weeks ago, this is what they had to say. “heh someone complaining about microtransactions in Shadow of War. I designed that system. Or at least the first version of it. No idea what it looks like now lol they always think it’s the executives. ^__^ We designed it from the beginning, totally an in-studio decision. You can kinda says it’s indirect… Read more »

TheLivingWeapon
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TheLivingWeapon

At E3 I was seriously hyped for Shadow of War and not so much for Assassin’s Creed Origins which looks like more of the usual bollocks. But now I just do not care about new Middle-Earth anymore. Cry about them micropayments being “optional” however you like, I still won’t touch it because of the mere fact that WB tries to pry my wallet open – right after I’ve already paid for a full-priced AAA release. This and Shelob just turned me off to the point where I doubt I’ll buy the game even at 75% off. That way WB Games… Read more »

Mike Broster
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Mike Broster

No but really Jim you should get down off the fence and say what you feel 😉 xxx

MuddyScarecrow
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If game development really was as expensive as the industry and the propagandists (I’m totally using that word to describe overzealous fans of video game companies now) say then the indie game industry shouldn’t even exist. Seriously, if video games really need this bullshit to make their money back how the fuck does Enter the Gungeon manage to exist without a loot box system that allows you to gamble money for their banana and pillow guns? I know the obvious argument will be that Indies don’t spend that much money but…why the fuck does AAA need to?

dyscode
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Perfect Landing!
I was sooo close to preordering it back in June (being offered 30% off surely was enticing) when I got wind of microtransactions – time to let go. When the GOTY is $5 I’ll take a look at it again.

Loved the 1st one.

KeekingItReal
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You know, you made the exact same points before across multiple videos, but have them all come together in one video made this one of the most articulate arguments against microtransactions I’ve seen so far. It’s baffling that I still hear people arguing against these exact points even now, because… Well, there IS no argument. The opposition just shuts down any conversation to be had by saying “I don’t care” (oftentimes jumping into a conversation they weren’t part of just to explicitly say “I don’t care” (and if you didn’t care why did you [email protected]#&ing bother replying)) and ruining it… Read more »

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Awesome episode! Easily the best JQ of the year so far and one of the best episodes period. Something else you could’ve added, this once again shows how little faith WB has in games being able to do well on their own merits without extraneous bullshit, we saw this with Shadow of Mordor where WB tried to bribe Youtubers into only saying positive things about the game, because they didn’t have much faith in the game to do well on it’s own. It’s sad because WB does have some great games, Dying Light and Mad Max both made my top… Read more »

Amy
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Sad reality is thanks to the way that time normalises most behaviour, we will come to accept this like we have on-disk dlc, aka day one dlc, aka pre-order bonuses. Season passes have become so accepted that when given the chance at playing a critically acclaimed shooter that had no season pass (Titanfall 2) everyone chose to buy the two shooters with not just a season pass but loot boxes too (CoD and BF1). So for all the vitriol that the community is spouting right now about this, I still expect it will sell like crazy and we’ll take another… Read more »

Eye Skewb
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Eye Skewb

Shadow of Morrrrrrrrrrdor was good, not great. This has pretty much ensured i’m not buying it. Give WB a good ol’ “Great Job!”

Cobra_IronFang
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Cobra_IronFang

By the Gods I truly hope hackers/Cheaters manage to find a way to fuck this right over and create a way to modify the files to give us this crap for free, just to shove a giant razor blade covered dildo bat RIGHT UP WB’S ARSE!!!!…. right up there…

Se7en_Th1rt3en
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Se7en_Th1rt3en

Well, another game I will neither buy nor play.
This and the other bollocks the industry keeps on pulling nowadays is saving me a good amount of money. It’s too sad that they, be it EA, SE, Ubi or WB, don’t give a shit about a single dude from Central Europe when they have bazillions of “fans” who not only don’t mind, but viciously defend this crap.

I am just tired of this.

SleepyWIll
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SleepyWIll

I couldn’t disagree more with Jim on the gambling point – the bit I disagree with is “I know it’s not technically gambling”.
I say it is technically gambling, and the quicker the world’s gaming commissions crack down on this and sue these moneydigging cockwombles into bankrupsy, the better

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Hey WB? Didya hear that? It was the sound of the door hitting my ass on the way out, causing a massive implosion of my wallet. You burned all my money WB, so you can never ever have it now.

I hope you are happy.

Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

Overwatch’s ridiculous success and rabid fanbase takes about 80% of the blame for this, I garuntee. WB’s execs looked at that and thought “holy crap, we can actually get away with this shit! Quick, we need to rework this into our popular IPs, as long as there are loyal fans willing to defend us, the benefit of the doubt will keep us afloat!” Remember Fallout 4 having no Minibuys? Remember Arkham Knight’s lack of Minibuys? Witcher 3? Mad Max? Horizon Zero Dawn? Resi 7? These are/were all still good sellers with high budgets that could’ve easily put greedy business practices… Read more »

qorl
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qorl

“Shelob breathes through her skin” Heh, nice.

R.M.Renfield
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R.M.Renfield

Last week’s episode was not my thing but this…

…this is the Jim Sterling I love. Loved the break glass/sell glass comparison, loved the vitriol, loved fire and the feeling, loved the jokes, loved the insults.

A shitty morning at work just got a bit better. Cheers, Jim.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

I was going to post a comment about how these loot boxes are so bad they’re pay to win, or how they turn the game’s natural progression into a grind. I just can’t though, these loot boxes are just so soul sappingly awful that I can’t bring myself to rant about them, just despair at the fact that not only are they getting worse, they don’t look like fucking off any time soon.