The Jimquisition: Shadow Of More Dollars

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Oh sorry, did you think we were NOT going to look at microtransactions coming to Shadow of War?

Did you think the appearance of loot boxes for a single-player game would escape my Sauronesque eye?

Did you really think I’d not take EVERY opportunity to bash something Warner Bros. has done?

If you don’t know me by now…

Chris Topher
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Meow xxx

Chris Topher
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Again jimbo says exactly what I was thinking. Within an hour of starting to worry about this game I see that I’m not alone. I hope that the game is fine without the extra crap but what really worries me is this… The way games are having gambling systems placed within without censor and that those companies also have ties to real world gambling and the easy links with can be drawn between the step from gaming to gambling as a result of these insideous practices. No idea if anyone is lookinghard scientifically at the effects it’s having on people… Read more »
Alexey
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Jim’s again, quite ignorant on that topic, to no surprise. Paid DLC’s are the future of gaming, its the only way companies can preserve that 60$ price tag with increasing production costs. What should be stressed though, is to witch degree the actual game is suffering, as a result of these practices. It does ruin immersion a great deal, encountering such things in a single player campaign. It would be smart of Jim to adjust his criticisms, providing ideas of how it could be done to lessen the damage to the game itself. As it stands though, another Jimquisition about… Read more »
JJake
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JJake

Wait…what? Are you serious?

VinLAURiA
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VinLAURiA
Increasing production costs? Yeah, for what? Hiring big-name actors and launching massive marketing campaigns so they can suckily imitate Hollywood some more? “Farce” is a term I find myself using more and more often these days, and it’s exactly how I’d describe the state of the current game industry. Gaming never needed to be so expensive and there absolutely IS a point where the game has indeed made enough money. Oh, but that’ll piss off the shareholders, won’t it? Well guess what, they can go screw themselves. A game can be good and make money without neither the investment from… Read more »
Yoyo
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Yoyo

I hope you aren’t being serious with this post….

Chris Topher
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I’d rather pay more money then. I’ll pay $100 for no micro transactions and free.dlc. no loot boxes or passes or subs. No more bs! Fuck your apologetic attitude which is dooming this industry and ruining it for people who aren’t stupid c*nt s!

ushio
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ushio

WB interactive is fighting for it’s life so I’m not surprised at this. Once the AT&T sale goes through why would a company that wants video content care about games it’ll be LucasArts and Disney all over again.

Arcane Azmadi
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Arcane Azmadi

Let it fucking die.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Is no one gonna mention that that marketplace orc with the big hooked nose is basically doing the “greedy jew rubbing his hands together” meme hand motion? Like, am I seeing things? Is the anti-semitism coming from inside my head? It’s not like there aren’t orcs who don’t have the hook noses and there’s not really a need for that orc to even be there on the page designed to trick children into gambling money. Someone tell me I’m being oversensitive and seeing Le Happy Merchant Meme where it’s not, I guess it’s not got the full Watto from episode… Read more »
machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I never really saw Watto as a caricature.

Chris
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It is extremely obvious, almost as bad as the Trade Federation reps being really overtly racist, like world war two propaganda level, Japanese caricatures in their voices. Using an existing race as shorthand is a lazy but sadly common way of making aliens or fantasy races look or should”exotic” or “strange.” A lot of fantasy depictions of goblins fall into extremely anti semitic tropes, so I imagine the devs thought that they was just copying what WoW and blizzard did, which in turn copied from someone else, which in turn… Stretching far enough back no one has to ever think… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I think FF Online (both games) subverts this by having people be explicitly racist against the Goblins. They just want to be friends and integrate into society, be small business owners and adventurers that help people. But the “main races” treat them as tolerable at best, and most Goblins have to live underground and away from the cities. They are the most common “humanoid” enemy type, present the whole world over. This is as well as having their helpfulness refused on many occasions, outright distrust to the point Heavensward has a LONG quest series where you attempt to prove the… Read more »
machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I was aware of the accusations against Jar-Jar being racist, but not the trade reps.

Chris
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I mean…it’s not really an accusation. Listen to them talk, they are doing the ‘l’ and ‘r’ swapping thing and everything. It would be impossible to say that someone wasn’t consciously directing the voice actors to speak in broken English while affecting a stereotypical Asian accent, whether you consider that racist or not I guess is up to you. But why someone would look at a race whose entire characterization is being sneaky and underhanded and greedy and then say ‘yeah…make them sound like Americans trying to sound Japanese in World War 2 movies’ and not be at least unconsciously… Read more »
Kirk Hammer
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Kirk Hammer

Rubbing one’s hands together with greedy anticipation is a fairly common gesture, though I know which image you’re referring to specifically. But giving him a hooked nose too was… unfortunate, and (though I’ve not heard this character speaking) if they have a full on mock-Yiddish accent like Watto then that is some uncomfortable imagery they’re playing with. Hopefully it’s not a deliberate invocation, though.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Thought of another reasons why MTs and MWs are horrid on the way to work. Single Console Households (SCH). Previously, you’d buy a DLC and every member of the SCH could use it because it was shared across the whole console. This is a consumer-friendly thing, since parents are unlikely to pony up 2 or more times for the exact same content and wouldn’t buy it just once for only one of their kids. It seems publishers figured this out near the end of the last console gen, since part of the X1’s “anti-piracy” shtick was the inability to share… Read more »
Steve
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Steve

for me, there’s nothing to debate here. i’m simply not buying this game. ever. not even if it fell down to $10.

way too many other options aside from videogames competing for my time & money for me to have to tolerate this kind of blatant disregard for my patronage.

shame, too, because i thoroughly enjoyed the first game & was looking forward to the sequel.

Randy Markin
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Randy Markin

I’m still going to pick up the game, and ignore the microtransactions. I really enjoyed the first game, and have been looking forward to this one for awhile.

Chris
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And you are part of the problem then, because the message to WB is loud and clear, ‘no one will actually care what you do to your games.’ They won’t ever change unless a game like this tanks on launch.

Goran
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Goran
To be fair, if buyer’s just wouldn’t buy the lootboxes it’d probably be enough of a message to WB, but we all know some whales will spent fortunes on PokeOrcs so unless the game is a huge financial drain they won’t take notice. Sadly, from a teach WB a lesson perspective, the game doesn’t look bad and even if it’s basically just doing the same as the first one willl most likely sell decently. It takes an Nadromeda kind of design failure to make people not buy/refund in mass, not fucked up systems for consumer exploitation. Those aren’t obvious enough… Read more »
machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I thought Andromeda was designed well for the most part and that game actually was a financial success.

Goran
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Goran

Intial sales maybe, but if it was an overall success they wouldn’t put the whole franchise on ice.

Chris
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Such a financial success that they closed the studio and cancelled all future games in the franchise.

Yep, clearly a sign of a game that sold enough copies to please the corporate overlords. Sadly, these are the kinds of games people don’t buy, rather than the ones that are loaded down with anti-consumer bullshit like Shadow of War or Mankind Divided or Dead Space 3. If more people would skip those games maybe studios would stop saddling their single player experiences with microtransaction bullshit.

Goran
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Goran

I looked it up now and, surprisingly enough, it was overall a financial success. Especially the online micro transactions generated quite some profit. (It was basically the flagship product in the EA earnings call.)

Still, the public reception seems to have killed any confidence EA had in further generating money from the current iteration of the franchise.

KeekingItReal
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Unfortunately, that’s not true. Buying the game but not paying for microtransactions only sends the message that you don’t mind their existence, and that they need to push harder to convince you to pay for them.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

At least get a used copy so WB does not get your money.

Robert Schrauben II
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Hey Jim! Don’t know if you will read this, but if you think ‘THIS’ is bad, go look up a game called Fortnite. They took it one step further by charging above and beyond AAA prices for an EA game while also not advertising it as EA on box sales. To make it even better, you have multiple packages you can pick up that range from like $60 to $250 beyond the base price of the game. Then on top of that, they added in micro-transaction llama pinatas to gamble for loot after completely scrapping the original concept of the… Read more »
Jiryn
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Jiryn

You forgot to mention that FortNite is a pre-release game, which will be released for FREE in early 2018.
They are basically charging you for a BETA, Pre-release build and it says it on every page of the game when you play it.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Damn Epic has really gone downhill since Cliffy B left.

cridia
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cridia

Wait, how is that any better? They are charging you for an incomplete game to make the game free once it’s out? I could understand a little if Fortnite was from some small studio that didn’t have anything else to rely on, but the game is co-developed by Epic, which is by no means a small player strapping for cash.

Goran
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Goran

I’m pretty sure he Jiryn mentions that as something that makes it even worse.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Exactly, thank you!

Jiryn
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Jiryn
As Goran said, I pointed it out because it makes it even worse. They are selling a BETA/PRE-RELEASE for a FREE TO PLAY GAME with MICROTRANSACTIONS for $40 Base $60 Deluxe $80 Limited (Limited my ass) $150 Ultimate $250 Complete editions (This was later added) The $150 and $250 come with additional keys you can give to friends, my roommate bought the $150. I admittedly bought the $60 and enjoyed the game for a good 20hrs, now.. I barely touch it. The free keys and the $40 are the same as the Free to play accounts which will be available… Read more »
Alexey
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Don’t buy it then

Pedro Paramo
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Pedro Paramo

Great timing on this video, considering that less than a week ago superbunnyhop made a video talking about big game companies making tons of money and then sending that money to tax heavens to avoid taxes.
And still they have the nerv to say that “videogames are to expensive! we need to make money somehow!”.

Christopher Allen
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Christopher Allen

I’m starting to think Jim doesn’t like Warner Bros. very much.

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