The Jimquisition: Shadow of Warner Bros.

https://www.cancerresearch.org/how-you-can-donate-now
https://donate3.cancer.org
https://www.stbaldricks.org/donate
https://www.youcaring.com/michael-forgey-479259

It was sincere and touching, and that’s all it should’ve been, but the decision to charge for content honoring the late Mike Forgey altered the conversation.

Alright then, let’s get into this mess.

Drake Warnock
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Drake Warnock
I agree that this is probably just habit for them. My guess is the developers themselves were sincere. They wanted to put the character in the game to honor their friend. Given he was known for swooping in and saving the day making him do that in game is actually pretty cool. But then the publishing took hold. After the content was decided on it went up the chain of command and some middle manager looked at it and just slapped on a price tag with some of it going to charity without really thinking about it. Now if they… Read more »
RabidKitten
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RabidKitten
Here is how I think this went down. A) Someone at Monolith pitches this idea to a producer at WB. B) WB asks how much this extra will cost to develop and Monolith gives them a number probably pretty high (new model, texture, code, sound, animation testing etc). B) WB producer asks around and comes back with “you can make it but we gotta make it DLC” or something. D) Monolith accepts. E) They announced it and receive backlash. PR looks at said producer who greenlit this as DLC and is like “WTF were you smoking, lets put out this… Read more »
Charlie
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Charlie

Sorry if this question seems a bit unrelated, but I was wondering if there was ever a good time to buy a game such as this. I don’t want to support Warner Bros. at all, but I would like to play Shadow of War since I enjoyed the previous game. So my question is: is there a time where I can buy Shadow of War while giving Warner Bros. as little money as possible? Should I wait for the inevitable GOTY edition to drop in price? Is there a Jimquisition I can watch that covers this topic? Thanks in advance.

Arcane Azmadi
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Arcane Azmadi
You know, Jim, if I were you, I’d simply refuse to review the game now, or any other game by Warner Bros Interactive. I mean, you can do that, you know. You’re an independent critic, you’re not beholden to anybody, and if publishers aren’t sending you a review copy (and I’m pretty sure they’re not) then you’d be perfectly justified in simply refusing to give WB any of your money because fuck them with splintery sticks. I mean yeah, maybe it’ll be a good game, but how many good games have you already got to play? How many other good… Read more »
Von Heimlich
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Von Heimlich

I think I would be okay with it if you know warner bro. donated that money to a charity for cancer research or help out the family, but yeah this is just gross.

Kirk Hammer
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Kirk Hammer

So does this put an end to the idea that Monolith are some poor, helpless hostage in this situation and it’s Warner Brothers forcing them to do this? Because in any normal workplace finding out that your bosses are monetizing your dead colleague would be grounds for open revolt.

Steve
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Steve

i couldn’t help but notice the screen-shot of the article titled:
” ‘Shadow of War’ Has Micro-Transactions. You’ll Get Over It.”

yea, no, that’s not ever gonna happen.

what will happen, though, is whoever says that to me will sooner “get over” me telling them to go f*** themselves before i ever ‘get over’ MT’s in a game that has the nerve to charge me $60 upfront.

because my stance is never changing.

Nitrium
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They won’t be selling many of these lame lootboxes on the PC version. I’m sure there will be a “+12 Trainer” for it within a day or two to give you “unlimited in-game currency” by hitting Num 5 or whatever. GameCopyWorld is packed to the brim with trainers (usually 3 or 4 for every game/version) for every PC game basically ever released. Microtransactions in single-player PC games is just never going to bring in much money imo. This DLC might be slightly different, depending on if it’s already in the game or not.

ArtSolopov
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Wow. Just wow. They just weren’t able to resist, now were they?
I can just see it, the devs working on the tribute, an Easter egg of sorts…
And then some corporate fucknut said, “You know what? This will be a $5 DLC.”
And the devs groaned and grumbled but could do nothing because Corporate Decidez.

I hope that whoever made this decision chokes on their filthy money. And I hope that after they die, they become an orange construct for Larfleeze. They fucking deserve it.

Steve
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Steve

I wish I could have as much fun with toys as Jim does

Gennadios
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Gennadios

Well, I cancelled the pre-order after the orcs in chests, training orders only from chests kerfuffle hit. When I saw the Forthog DLC trailer I pretty much thought to myself that WB is fucking things up further somehow. I couldn’t be fucked to read the fine print, but there we go.

Stay classy, WB!

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
I was fine with everything, up to the point where they buried the info about purchases that wouldn’t contribute to the charity. Big splash page saying $3.50 of every purchasegoes to charity, with tiny disclaimer no one would read. They’re hoping people will buy it out of the desire to contribute, but not notice that their money is going straight to WB. I know people in Europe and Canada that were on board with this, and were surprised when it was explained they wouldn’t count. Any instance where they charge (and keep) $5 with the pretense of honoring a dead… Read more »
Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander
With regard to That Dragon Cancer, I’m pretty sure the numerous media outside the gaming industry that has had people who have suffered such tragedies express themselves through said media over the centuries (where in the media – e.g. books etc) is generally regarded as being a positive examples of expression, not an exercise in making money. (Some of) gaming seems to just be more intolerant, sadly. And I blame places like WB for that, because if they hadn’t basically attempted to train everyone to see anyone selling a game as a greedy pile of excrement through their sheer contempt… Read more »
MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow

“I hate cancer. Who doesn’t?! It’s not a controversial statement!” I dunno, Jim…Five years ago “Fuck Nazis” wasn’t a controversial statement either and now look where we are. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if some political wingnuts started advocating for cancer rights. Not cancer PATIENT rights. The rights of the actual cancer.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I just love the way it states the money is only going to charity until the end of 2019.

VinLAURiA
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VinLAURiA
I dunno, man. I know Konami has become of spite and incompetence, disrespecting franchises, pretending folks like Kojima don’t exist, and treating their employees like garbage, but even THEIR maliciousness was never this… utterly detestable. This is taking something done to honor the memory of a dead man and shoving it in the gnawing, grinding gears of the machine that is corporate-minded decision making in the modern game industry to spit it out as another cash-grab, with all the usual mannequin-faced attitude around it. Legacy means a lot to me. Screwing over living people like Konami is bad, yeah, but… Read more »
machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Don’t know why WB couldn’t have just taken a page from what Gearbox did to honor Michael Mamarill in Borderlands 2.

I don’t think WB gives a crap about Forgey, so yeah I do think this was pure greed on their part, they want to shamelessly guilt trip people into buying that DLC.

R.M.Renfield
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R.M.Renfield
Unrelated to this issue, but have you ever thought of looking at what’s happening with Star Citizen, Jim? I watched their demo at Gamescom and laughed my arse off at how bad it was. Then I went down the rabbit hole and read all the Chris Roberts Vs Derek Smart stuff – Jesus, it’s another internet war out there. Seeing how polarised things are I can see why you might not want to touch this one, but it does seem weird to me that CiG are STILL selling ships for huge money when the game basically doesn’t exist. Check out… Read more »
The Vaark
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The Vaark
Very sad to see this, given that most likely the whole thing sprang up from a very sincere desire to honor and help on the part of the devs. Leaves me with two questions: 1. How likely is it that the sale as DLC was a prerequisite to WB authorizing the development in the first place? Is the control of publishers so total that the devs couldn’t memorialize someone without very strict conditions? (A possible alternative being the devs – like many journalists – naively overlooked the sale-donation fine print. ) 2. About WB’s resilience to shame: are we dealing… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100

As much as I’d like to buy this since I think it’s a really good way of making a tribute I can’t do it in good conscience, at least until it’s confirmed what happens with money from purchases made in the UK.

If WB are insistent on selling it then surely it would have been better to make a donation matching whatever they made from sales, it’d still be shitty but far better than this. Really though, this should be free or in the base game.

Stephen
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Stephen

The obvious way of handling it would have been making the character free dlc with a ‘please consider giving $5 to his families donation page until such a time it closes, at which point these are the cancer charities they wish donations to go to’ – Maybe with a donation matching thing as well.

*sighs*

Amy
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It’s quite an achievement to mess this up; especially given that Blizzard has done it a number of times, and therefore there is a model of sucess that already exists. I have no issue with WB taking a cut as long as the lion share goes to the family; however given how limited in scope the donations are it is hard to see anything else but malice. Sad state of affairs. I hope that in all of this the family is given space to grieve and get on with whatever pieces of their life they can put back together. All… Read more »
Scott C Stewart
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i was sitting on the fence about buying this game, not any more; the game looks good, great even but i don’t want to give money to assholes, and i mean those who had the power to make this happen and to think this was good idea

Steve Neeley
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Great video Jim! I had a feeling that you’d talk about this today. Keep up the good work.

GS_Matthews
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Anyone else remember when a terminally ill Total War fan visited the studio and CA decided to honour him by mapping out his facial features and creating a unique (free) Roman general model that would appear in the game after he died?

Monolith could have done that.