The Jimquisition: Shexy Shelob

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In the world of videogames, even spiders need to be sexy, because Heaven forbid even Shelob be allowed her ugliness.

When Shadow of War isn’t busy introducing loot boxes, it’s redesigning spiders in a way that reinforces some unfortunate ideas.

Adzl33t
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Adzl33t

Lets get past the gender stuff, I just like diverse characters for more engaging storytelling

That’s the problem with anime use of slim cute high school girl clones, fun to jerk off, but too broad to understand their characterization quickly, aside different hair cuts

Not to scare any Alt Right people, but the character design for something like Steven Universe female characters are very interesting to me, because there more clearer personalities, with strong silhouettes shapes using basic principals that Looney Tunes used

kimiyoribaka
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kimiyoribaka

I don’t mind the idea of turning Shelob into a sexy woman. However, I think it’s rather lame that their design for her is a normal sexy woman. Seriously, why does a spider’s more human form have only 2 eyes and 2 arms? Why no fangs? She should at least be sexy in a terrifying way. Even just ripping off Kerrigan from Starcraft would’ve been better.

Ralph
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Ralph

As someone with arachnophobia, I have three things to add to this discussion: 1) Thank you, Jim, for the warning. 2) Shelob should be a giant spider that I find terrifying. I would find my hesitance to go to her and then my need to get it done as quickly as possible while still not liking or trusting her at all to be fitting and proper. I want to be terrified and disgusted by her. I want to regret and avoid interactions. And I want any “motherly” contact to be alien and give shivers down my spine. 3) Knowing she’s… Read more »

Sperium3000
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Ok, so I know that forewarning was half goof (and it was great), but my mind made some associations that made me giggle. Basically there’s this youtuber/streamer I like, Maximilian_Dood (Huge figure in the FGC, check him out if you like them fighting games), who legit has aracnophobia due to an event where he almost died from a venomous spider bite. So because of that warning said gender representation is also a big phobia I’m reimagining Max’s scary ass almost death story but instead he was bitten by a feminist and it’s so bad and ridiculous I can only laugh.… Read more »

Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

My brain keeps reading that title as “Shexy shlob” in a way that a drunk Sean Connery divulging his bedtime fetishes would say.

dyscode
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seemy the only place for ‘not-standartized’ women on a screen is adult entertainment, where any type of woman has her audience.

Who was the last ‘none-standart-size’ female star in resent years in a Hollywood movie? Melissa McCarthy? Anyone else?

Making Shelob turn into a woman is so lame, artistically.

Ace
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Ace

“[Vertigo]’s not sexy, nor traditionally pretty in any way”.

I just googled it up and looks like there’s enough rule 34 of her to prove you wrong, jim.

LegendaryFrog
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LegendaryFrog

I find it odd that at the end of the opening song Jim is wearing black gloves, but during the video proper Jim wears red gloves now. I only noticed this because Jim’s gloves are iconic (that’s proper iconic, not Ubisoft iconic). It’s telling that when I heard this news I didn’t really have a reaction right away. It didn’t bother me, at first, because I’ve become so accustomed to this kind of art direction that often times I found that I wasn’t even bothered and the fact that it doesn’t bother me is what really bothers me. I (and… Read more »

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Since Monolith are barreling down the boring cliche road, what’s the odds on Shelob taking a human form to ensnare Talion? Similarly, what’ll a tenner get me if you eventually have to fight her and it’s then that she transforms back into a spider?

Mewshuji
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Mewshuji

I love (hate) how a large number the YT commenters clearly didn’t watch the video and think Jim hates sexy girls in games or whatever. It’s a video about character design. One I entirely agree with. This design they came up with for Shelob is completely uninspired. What, Shelob couldn’t at least have been a drider or jourougumo figure? She has to be just a sexy vamp girl? It’d be like making a Godzilla game where Destroyah turns into a Sephiroth-esque dude, makes no sense and eschews an interesting character design for a more bog standard one. Maybe I’m weird,… Read more »

MuddyScarecrow
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Dark Souls had some sexy spider ladies but they were still semi repugnant to look at. Yes they had the top haves of beautiful women but their lower bodies were nasty gooey spider bods so it gave you a really confusing boner. And I fucking loved it.

GreenGarden
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GreenGarden

Fighting games are so bad with this, Bandai are bad for this with Tekken and SoulEdge/Calibur where either get replaced if they get to old like Michelle with Julia Chang or most of the women in Soul for SCV or just find ways to make them unable to age like Ivy or reasons to keep them young like Nina and Anna in Tekken 3 onwards.

It still amazes me that Mortal Kombat X allowed Soyna to look old in (she’s in her late 40s/early 50s), though like Ana in Overwatch she also has a young skin.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

At this point, I’m just happy when women are allowed to have muscles in games, let alone be old or ugly. You tell me she’s a honed warrior, and then make her look like a bulemic runway model? Like Lightning from FFXIII. A trained soldier who uses a sword against mechs the size of buses, and she has pipe cleaners for arms. I followed the development of Warhammer Online, and they added Dwarf women for customization options. But when they started releasing info on Chaos classes, they said that Chosen and Marauders would only be male. Thier reason? “We couldn’t… Read more »

HelixShade
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HelixShade

This could just be my lack of knowledge of Tolkeen’s works, but doesn’t a Spider God having a “motherly relationship” with someone seem a bit OOC, whether she’s a Giant Spider or…that thing?

As to her design, well…if Jim hadn’t told me this was Shelob, I’d never guess this was Shelob.

Chris Osaurus
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Chris Osaurus

Even as someone who loves video game boobies, I agree turning a giant spider into a sexy woman is pretty lame. Giant spiders are COOL, man! I want to work with a giant spider! (I mean I want to work with a sexy woman too but you know) When are we gonna get a game that lets me be the secretary to a giant spider??

Also, I love Primal Rage’s characters. I’m a sucker for anything prehistoric or paleontology-themed, really.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

Thank you for the warning about the spider imagery. I listened to the episode with the video obscured. I get the point, in fact agree, but I’m just happy to not have to look at Shelob’s Spider form. Fuck spiders!

Oh wait, you already do…

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

You kinda missed out that the first Shadow Of* literally starts with the protagonist’s wife and children being killed because otherwise how would the MC feel motivated to stop the rampaging hoards of orcs? So maybe there’s just a quota somewhere in development where they have to have a female character involved in as generic and cliche a role for a female character as possible? * ooo, this is why I should never be an executive of video games as I’d want to make a “Shadow of AN Collossus” game in this series (titular collossus being your nemesis for the… Read more »

SilentPony
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SilentPony

Actually spiders can’t be women, ’cause that inherently implies humanity. Best you can get in a female spider, as that only distinguishes between male/female.
Man/woman is itself humanizing Shelob, implying that she’s being thought of as human first, spider second. Same with all the other character you gave as an example. She ain’t a woman, she’s a female dinosaur.
Calling them women defeats the point of you saying they should stop being humanized, and left alone as their hideous, natural forms.

Imp Emissary
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I’d much prefer my spider-mom to be a spider.
But I guess this is good news for the Shadow of War arachnophobes?

Shaded Spriter
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My favourite Spider character in anything is Aragog in Harry Potter.

Anton
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Anton

JIMMUS VULT

HalfTough
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HalfTough

Thank god for Jesus

Amy
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I’m suprised they didn’t go for the other tried and tested female spider route of spider body and big boobed human torso. Not an improvement in creativity or the representation of women, but contextually it fits better than fem fatale imo. Seeing Shelob like that just seems out of place in such a grotesque part of middle earth. Maybe I don’t know the source material well enough though.

BAH!
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BAH!

Whoof, I was afriad you’d forget to mention the whole “Shelob is a godlike entity, etc.” thing, because that would have brought down quite a bit of wrath. Not that it won’t anyway since that type of individual also tends to rebut from the story’s internal logic rather than address the outside concerns as what they are. I can’t recall the term for that. Anyway, great video. And I agree that it’s more than a little boring to do what Monolith’s done. And frankly, for Shelob to form a “motherly” bond with Scruff McGruff WHILE STILL MAINTAINING HER SPIDER FORM… Read more »

Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

Hoo boy, I can already sense the YouTube comment section swirling like a pool full of angry piranhas for this ‘n. Don’t look into that abyss.

Microtransaction Lootboxes in a Tolkien fantasy game is about the most tone-deaf greed I’ve seen that works only to shatter immersion for short term gain. It’s genuinely going to damage the overall experience for many fans of the first game.
Weird how she looks like that heroin addict from Requiem for a Dream now.

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