The Jimquisition: Shexy Shelob

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In the world of videogames, even spiders need to be sexy, because Heaven forbid even Shelob be allowed her ugliness.

When Shadow of War isn’t busy introducing loot boxes, it’s redesigning spiders in a way that reinforces some unfortunate ideas.

KRandMJ
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KRandMJ

Jim when it comes to unconventional appearance of women in gaming how the hell did you forget (omit) this one?

Olivia Pierce From DOOM-4.
She is the main antagonist for most of the game; unleashed hell on mars killing thousands.
She is slickly in appearance and elderly, suffering from idiopathic scoliosis and treated by an exoskeleton that causes her debilitating pain every time she moves and refusing pain killers. By the end of the game the demons of hell transforms her into the Spider-Demon/Mastermind.

Unfortunately Olivia becomes a Four-Legged-Slobbering-Unrepentantly-Evil-Arachnid instead of an Eight-Legged-Slobbering-Unrepentantly-Evil-Arachnid.

How did you forget her?

Dave
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Dave

What have they done to Talions face?

The7thDraconian
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Alright, now I have nothing against dark, sexy women. Far from it, I think the archetype can be fascinating when done right. However, if given the choice between forming an uneasy alliance with generically attractive Shelob vs giant motherfucking spider Shelob, I want a goddamn eight-legged monstrosity that’s very liable to eat me when she’s gotten what she’s needed out of our deal. I mean, is that too much to ask?

BabyLuigiOnFire
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BabyLuigiOnFire
Hey, this is a long time viewer of your show and I love to talk about females in video gaming as a whole, so I’d want to speak up. This homogenized roster of females in the video game industry has been bothering me for a quite amount of time, and I’m very happy you made another video that points out how….samey we all look and how this design of Shebob is boring and lazy. First of all, we don’t even appear as playable characters that much in the first place in many video games. I enjoy shooting games, especially on… Read more »
Marzipanistan
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Marzipanistan

Shexy Shelob ? When did Sean Connery start doing games media?

Cpt Correct
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Cpt Correct
Just wondering if you have played Knights of the Old Republic 2 Jim. I would rate Kreia as one of the most, if not the most, weak realised characters I’ve encountered in video games. She also happens to be an elderly woman, a playable character and well, to say more would be spoilers but I’ll just say she is interesting. She also has an extremely complex relationship with the primary protagonist. I initially hated her, as I imagine you are somewhat expected too, which gave way to grudging respect which in turn was replaced by fascination. She is a mentor… Read more »
El Chica Incognitus
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Kreia is practically the only part of KOTOR 2 I actually remember. Despite being a great game, Kotor 2 kinda failed the “test of time” for me with having no memorable characters…EXCEPT for Kreia. I remember most of the cast of the original KOTOR but in the sequel only Kreia stands out in my mind; that’s got to mean something big for her design. See that video games? All your beefy men and pretty boys and girls from one of your great RPGs of all time are all forgotten EXCEPT for the blind little old lady. Remember that next time… Read more »
Kuro Ryu
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I actually came down to the comments to see if anyone remembered Kreia who is a fantastic character. I think it’s a bit harsh to say none of the other characters are interesting. If you spend the time doing their quests and getting to know them there’s some really interesting stuff in there. Atton particularly isn’t as 1 dimensional as he first seems.

You know who was boring and forgettable though? Visas, the dark sexy one…

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Chris Avellone’s premise behind Kreia was basically what if Ravel was actually a party member?

Mark
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Mark

Excellent work here, Jim. Two thumbs up for putting a fine point on exactly what bothered me most about the Shadow of War trailer. It reminds me of the ultimate silliness of the Borg Queen from Star Trek: First Contact – boring, unnecessary, and stale.

Galactix100
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Galactix100
I think the female Spartans in Halo 5 have an interesting design. While not necessarily unattractive they’re also built like tanks without looking cartoonish. It’s rare that there’s ever a middle ground, it’s usually Widowmaker or Zarya with no in between. There’s also Dr. Halsey who’s an elderly woman who got half an arm shot off, so again not a standard female character design as far as video games are concerned. Also since Gears of War and the Locust were brought up I’m surprised Berserkers weren’t mentioned as an example of a female character with a monstrous design (Obviously this… Read more »
kaathe
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kaathe

srsly zarya is pretty in between for me. She looks like a woman who’d lift a lot can look. thats neither monstrous nor unattractive

Galactix100
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Galactix100
Oh don’t get me wrong I’m DEEPLY in love with Zarya. What I mean is that when women in games are depicted as being very physically strong they’re often wide and stocky and Zarya was just the closest example that popped into my head. It’s a design I pften find lazy because it’s the opposite of a sterotypical idea of the female physique. Plus she worked well as a contrast to Widowmaker as an example of the other extreme. It also helped that both are very cartoonish in their designs. The Spartans are a bit different because, as Laura K… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

Halo had great female characters in general, imo (Not including halo 5 – can’t in all good honesty include that, considering how poorly written it was).

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Oh yeah terribly written but in terms of visual design it does things a bit differently when it comes to the depiction of women. I also chose that one since it features the most female Spartans and the most screen time for Dr. Halsey after she lost the arm.

machine_dirty
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I thought Halo was actually quite well written, I remember when there was supposed to be a movie directed by Peter Jackson, too bad that never happened.

Greene Scott
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Greene Scott
I don’t agree with you with the women Spartans, I’m so sick of so many FPS’s making the women option ALWAYS the slimmer of the too. Let me play as bulky woman, let women be the larger and the more muscly of the two options for once. Mass Affect Andromeda I disliked for this because EVERY woman with a race two men and women were presented as smaller, less muscly and slimer and like really? Like the Krogon espically given their dinosaur like appearance, aka the animals where women were usually the taller ones, with T-Rex women being double the… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100
No worries, I get it. That said, Linda and Kelly are both near 7 feet tall and are bigger and bulkier than everyone except Master Chief and Fred and even then they’re still comparably huge. As for Mass Effect, I find it hard to tell since most of the female aliens you have extended interactions with don’t ware big armour where as most of the men do so it can be hard to get a proper sense of comparison. For example I have pretty clear images of Garrus and Vetra in my head but it’s hard to properly compare them… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Also the Big Sisters in Bioshock 2 the smaller, slimmer, sexier model.

Bison
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Bison

And here I thought the Jimquisition would start with “DEUS VULT!”.

But I agree, sexy humanoid female antagonists are an very uninspired theme and easy to sell in the so-called creative world of game development.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

Side topic, but I’ve noticed some users are listed as “Members”. Does this mean on site registration is possible now? If so, how?

Galactix100
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Galactix100

You have to log in with facebook/twitter/google still.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

Ah, bummer. Oh well.

Nathan Stapleton
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Is… Is that “Crappy MIDI Ziggy Stardust” goin’ on in the background…? I don’t know why but… that makes me inexplicably happy….

Alexey
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As always, i couldn’t agree more, Jim. If anything, you’re actually a bit too soft, for my taste.

Benj
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Benj

I can guarantee Jim is the opposite of soft for 24 hours a day.

gasmaskangel
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I do have to agree with you on this Jim, even if I don’t regard it as a particularly big deal. Granted, I do say that from the position of someone who really has no dog in the fight, so take that as you will. Further, I saw this after the Monolith stream where they revealed their utterly disgusting microtransactions which pissed me off far more than Shelob as portrayed by Morticia Addams ever could. The microtransactions infuriate me in no small part because they seem to corrode the very core of what makes the game good in the first… Read more »
Gennadios
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Gennadios

Of course Shelob being able to turn human is canon. In the first edition, first printing of the Silmarillion. There are two passages, one dealing with Shelob, the other dealing with Uruk reproduction.

Namely how how are born two per chests, and have a tendency to imprint upon whoever opens the chest, like baby geese. Apparently an Uruk named Shekels the Reseller procures chests that conveniently fall off of wagons and sell them to anyone with the Mirrian.

True story.

InzZimny
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InzZimny

Let me tell you about protagonist of Blackguards 2. Cassia is totally ruthless, revenge driven woman with face disfigured by being bitten by spiders every night for years. Evil, unattractive, spider themed, female protagonist. It can be done, but AAA developers don’t have balls for that.

Nathan Stapleton
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Yet another reason I’ve played more non-AAA games in the last five years than AAA ones. Plus a number of the AAA ones were either sequels, disappointing, or (most often) disappointing sequels.

machine_dirty
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Being a sequel is not inherently a bad thing, some of my favorite games are sequels.

Sof N. Cheway
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Sof N. Cheway

I know a lot of people take this for granted, but I genuinely appreciate the spider warning, Jim. Thank you.
This way I can know to listen to the video rather than watch.

Fear of spiders may very well be a common thing, but arachnophobia is still a very serious personal problem for many of us, despite all the people that carelessly say, “killing them in video games should be therapeutic.” No it is not and those who say that are despicable for thinking phobias have simple solutions.

Draguss
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Draguss

Were all the zoomed in pictures of spiders really necessary?

t3hdow
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t3hdow
Funny enough, Gears of War 1’s Beserker is the most gargantuan and grotesque of all Locust enemies in the series, and is also female. Cliff B even mentioned in a side note that for most species, the females are often the uglier of the two genders. Jim’s point still stands, for the most part, but it’s pretty interesting that Gears 1 actually did go the less attractive route first before making the Locust queen more cliche. Overwatch also proves that you can go both ways with the trope. Yes, the game has its sexier female heroes with Widowmaker, Mercy, D.… Read more »
machine_dirty
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Battleborn I give credit for going the less conventional route with most of it’s female characters(something which Yahtzee brought up in his review of it)

Roger Civit
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Wow… Shelob is supposed to be a monster, no trace of humanity or anything like that. This is pathetic.

gasmaskangel
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I might have bought it if it were Ungoliant, Sheolob’s mom. We don’t really have a whole lot on her in the lore other than her basically being an evil spider god that weaves darkness, so I could maybe buy her adopting a Vampira look-a-like form to treat with mortals she wants to work for her. It’d still be lazy, but there isn’t the same utter disconnect. As is, I’m just wondering why she didn’t turn into Morticia when dealing with Sam and Frodo, maybe try to convince Frodo to just give her the ring. That’d almost be cool, sorta… Read more »
ckmondavi
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ckmondavi
Like any white cis straight male scum, I like me some sexy womans. However in this case I rather have a talking female spider that have Shelob given a sexy female form. This wasn’t in the lore, and makes no since. However I will say as a white cis straight male scum, I find the micro-transactions to be more outrageous than sexifying a spider. Either way I’ll be skipping Shadows of war! I hope you all do to (I’d say the same of Jim, but reviewing games is kinda his job! I won’t hold it against you Jim if you… Read more »
El Chica Incognitus
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As a cis normative female person…or whatever the fuck I’m supposed to say I’m disgusted by the existence of microtransactions in any non-free-to-play game. It’s my hope the microtransactions are a tagged on bit of stupidity like they were in Mankind Divided where the main game wasn’t’ designed with their existence in mind to start with. ….Sexy Shelob however causes me to question the entire thought process behind the game. If they are so out of ideas that they have to take an iconic Lord of the Rings monster and turn her into a generic eeeevul sorceress then why the… Read more »
kaathe
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kaathe
eh I mean they basically butchered and beaten the main moral idea/principle behind “lord of the rings” (i.e ever thought why such a nice, soft very fearful and pacifist person like frodo was the hero and not a nice shining hero like argon… or how in the end gollum, smeagol.. almost a junkie, a pitiful sad figure got killed by his own greed for power.. that the one who saved all was the one who never wanted power and who needed his best friend and support and never beat the evil with swords alone (yes, violence was also necessary, but… Read more »
Arcane Azmadi
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Arcane Azmadi

Oh, Jim will certainly review it; unless it turns out unexpectedly shit he’ll probably even enjoy it and give it a good score. Having microtransactions just automatically disqualifies it from the year’s end Best Games list. Because fuck microtransactions and DOUBLE fuck loot boxes.

machine_dirty
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I don’t know about him giving it a good score, these are not just cosmetic microtransactions we’re talking about here, this is stuff that actually affects the gameplay in single-player, i’m guessing the gameplay will be grindy to a point where the players feel pressured into spending money to just to make it feel like they’re making some actual progress.

Chris
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Chris

Whenever a company adds a sexy female character which doesn’t seem to fit the aesthetic, it kind of feels like they lack confidence in the game and/or audience. “This needs sex appeal or it won’t sell!”
So having sexy characters in DoA, Bayonetta, or Overwatch makes sense because of the outlandish colour schemes and character designs. It works! But for something like Shadow of Mordor, it just sticks out like a sore thumb. I mean, the films had beautiful elf women right? They would have been silly though if they were beautiful elf women in bikinis though!

ZeroK
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ZeroK
Sieglinde of Catarina in Dark Souls is one of my favorite female characters in gaming. She doesn’t have a big role, You do have to rescue her… But she is brave, going into a land of undead while still human, and if you go through Siegmeyer’s storyline it’s revealed she’s killed him in combat more than once. That might not seem like much since Siegmeyer wouldn’t want to kill his own daughter, but the implication is that she did it when he was out of control, so he probably wasn’t holding back. Traditional feminine looks have nothing to do with… Read more »
El Chica Incognitus
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Was her being able to turn into a human ever a thing? Was it mentioned in the books or any of the lore or just about ANY FUCKING THING? No? Then why the fuck is she doing it now. Why is a creature whose sole desire is to eat and eat and eat giving a flying fuck about sitting on a throne and “manipulating” or “mothering” people. All they are doing is fucking over characters I happen to like such as Morrigan by making them seem stale and trite. You know the “I don’t give a shit” snarky female character… Read more »
t3hdow
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t3hdow
Brood War Kerrigan was a goddamn savage. Sarah Kerrigan went from a loyal Sons of Korhal solider who got duped and betrayed, and then became a slave to the Overmind before becoming the monster she became in Brood War. For god’s sake, she (in Mass Effect terms) indoctrinated the Dark Templar Matriarch from the very beginning of Brood War and set up her long game WAAAAY before everyone else caught on. Well, except Aldaris, but he behaved too rash to be taken seriously by his allies, and then Kerrigan straight up murders him in front of Zeratul and Artanis with… Read more »
George
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The 9:40 spider is so cute tho!!!!!!! <3

Anyway…
Tirnoch in Kingsdom's of Amalur was the main enemy of the campaign (although yes a boss character).

I can't really think of any others…Maybe D'Vorah and Ferra/Torr from MKX? They are kind of hideous.

…Also Mileena is monstrous…her sexualization is played for a horrifying joke…and yeah I'm reaching.

Oh… and there is Samus when she's in her suit but that's been riddled with problems, since her first game in the 80's.

It's also fascinating that a lot of diversity is seen in the fighting game genre.

Nitrium
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Sorlag in Quake Champions is an anthropomorphised female lizard.

Uldihaa
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Killer Instinct’s Hisako would count, I think.

Saygah
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Nah. She’s basically that chick from The Ring. Loads of guys are into that….

Christopher Allen
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Christopher Allen

No one has mentioned the female characters from Nuclear Throne. There’s a crystal golem, a sword-wielding chicken, a self-replicating bandit covered in bandages, and an ex-fascist soldier whose face is mostly obscured by a rebreather.

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