The Jimquisition: Steam Needs To Axe Shithead Developers

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Let’s not beat about the bush. Valve can fix Steam’s nastiest problem, but it involves showing some authority.

Valve may hate to put the boot down, but if you want to stop having Digital Homicides, Dentolas, or Fun Creators, you need to look at their behavior, not the games they’re making.

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R.M.Renfield
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R.M.Renfield

Wouldn’t it be nice if McDonalds gave me a free burger when I got a Big Mac. It would, but what the fuck is in it for them?

What the fuck is in it for Steam in terms of money, because this just sounds like another cost with no financial gain for the company and a hell of a lot of hassle.

Sleepy Will
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Sleepy Will

I guess what’s in it for steam is the same thing that’s in it for McDonalds to not let their franchaisee’s sell anything they want. They have a certain product line that millions has gone into developing, and they don’t want Big Bob’s greasy special being sold in their resturants for a damn good reason.

R.M.Renfield
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R.M.Renfield

If it makes money then the company will be fine with it, that’s how business works.

Ony if it damages moeny making is it worth stopping. Companies only exist to make money, the goods and services they offer are a means to an end, not an end in itself. Why the hell don’t people realize that?

Sleepy Will
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Sleepy Will
Are you OK with the idea that different companies and corporations are run with different levels of competence? Good! Are you OK with the idea that the level of competence a corporation is run with is certainly correlated but not directly linked to the success of that company. We can all name imcompetent companies that do well. If you are not OK with those two things, then there is no point for either of us continuing this discussion. —– Ok So steam exists to make money. Fine, but they do so by providing a service, right? No-one begrudges a company… Read more »
R.M.Renfield
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R.M.Renfield

You seem to be assuming a lot about Steam’s business and financial performance based upon your own experience.

Maybe you’re right and this issue is destroying Steam and its market share. Or maybe you’re wrong and it’s not that significant in money terms.

You really think hiring all these quality inspectors is going to make Steam money? I suspect the reason they like the automated solutions so much is because they know what a cash bonfire the other methods would be. May as well hire the KLF and get some people who really know how to burn money.

Jay Holden
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Jay Holden

Are you familiar with the video game crash of the 1980s before the Nintendo Seal of Quality?

Saygah
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Suing your customers; that’s a paddlin’.

Sparrow
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Sparrow

But what about unpleasant developers who create good games *coughPhilFishcough*?

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Was Phil Fish particularly unpleasant? All I recall is the statement he made about Japanese games and quitting the industry after getting tons of shit on Twitter.

Pancake
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Pancake

Time to revive something 15 days old and say that phil fish is on par with digital fucking homicide.

His ego is as big as mount fuji.

Ben
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Ben
I wonder how much of this reluctance for Value is do to potential legal liability, as well as the cost and hassle of internal QA. I have been watching a fair bit of Lawful Masses with Leonard French and SidAlpha, both of whom cover the idea that YouTube does not get involved in DCMA stuff because if they do, then they could get sued all the time (that is oversimplifying it, but it you want to know more, both have excellent videos on the topic). I am slightly curious if Valve might be in a similar mindset: If they start… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

It could open them up to people trying to do so but Valve are entitled not to do business with someone if they don’t want to.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Actually, they bring up a legitimate point. Safe Harbor protections extend beyond the DMCA into retail where the only requirement is a public-facing good faith effort to eliminate and reduce fraud, eliminate and reduce bad actors, and eliminate and reduce counterfeits and “fake” (as in doesn’t exist) goods. The “We’re just a marketplace” excuse is backed up by common law in the US, as fucked up as that may be. Stricter rules means stricter enforcement efforts, and failure to enforce your own efforts to your own standards removes safe harbor protections, meaning you are no longer “just a marketplace”. Amazon… Read more »
Christopher Allen
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Christopher Allen

I’ve been wondering about this for a while now. In not just the video game industry, there is the ongoing problem of what determines success vs. failure. Jim Sterling makes a great point that the single biggest deciding factor isn’t money or tools–it’s having the right people in place. And the WRONG people ruin it for everyone.

El Chica Incognitus
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Valve will never really have a REASON to care. Why? We all know in our hearts that Steam is too big to fail now. PC gamers have basically their entire library on Steam and if Steam goes down so goes hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of legally purchased goods.

George
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George
Well they’re reason to care may have more to do with what happens when these unhinged people’s behaviour goes from random on-line ranting to some kind of real world action. Purely hypothetically speaking…A good example was the “kill the fa**ot*” game that Jim covered. In Canada allowing such a game on steam could be considered spreading hate propaganda and that is punishable by max 5 years in jail. In the US what if one of these crazy “devs” tried to only sell games to only white people? That’s illegal. Valve would have serious problems. What if one of these unhinged… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude

And it’s important to remember that hate crime is very open to interpretation here in Canada.

I remember when I was spraypainting graffiti and the guy who called the cops thought I was drawing Nazi Propaganda everywhere. Got like 4 squad cars and a *lot* of community service for that stupidity.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Well spraypainting is a bad idea in general, it’s not going to make you look good.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Yeah, it really isn’t a bad idea in general. Mindless vandalism certainly. Actual decent graffiti is quite good in areas where it isn’t harmful to what it has been placed on.

George
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George

Our hate speech laws are good in theory but there is a lot of problems with them.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Can we accept the WWE’s dickishness as a precursor to less wrestling in your content? It’s all just noise and unhappy memories for me. Keep doing it if you feel you want to, your content and all. Lord knows I won’t stop watching and participating.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I would doubt it as Jim was mentioning other things related to wrestling. I’m expecting it to increase not decrease.

SmaMan
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Dear Jim Sterling,

How do you type with lobster claws on?

Crapfully yours,
SmaMan

Appretaur
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Appretaur

I was going to say Davy Jones could manage playing a piano with that impediment, but then I remembered he uses a tentacle beard too.

MaliciousX
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MaliciousX

You saying Jim don’t have tentacles? Are you assuming stuff now? (Joke)
But maybe Jim is like Michael Bay (robot chicken Transformers 5 script meeting)….

BAH!
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BAH!

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Appretaur
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Appretaur

Seems strange that you had a bad-games-are-the-problem mentality to start with, since they obviously couldn’t appear by themselves without not-on-the-level developers behind them.

El Chica Incognitus
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That’s like implying that everyone who can’t draw are inherently bad people. There are good companies filled with good people that produce bad games from time to time.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

And the opposite is also just as true there are several horrible individuals and companies who out there who also produce good games.

Appretaur
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Appretaur
Didn’t mean to imply that there’s a slant that always makes game-quality and developer-ethics proportional to each other in general, and that hadn’t occurred to me. It’s just that, as far as Jim’s coverage of the clearly abusive indie Steam games he’s come across in particular over the years, the bad dev behavior aspect allowed by Valve’s lack of oversight seems to have accompanied those from the very start. When Jim observed Muxwell and his Earth Year 2066, Kobra Studios and their Island Light, and Air Control while totalbiscuit also dealt with bad dev behavior from Day One: Garry’s Incident… Read more »
Austin_SJ
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Austin_SJ

I guess Valve just can’t be bothered. Until another marketplace gains traction and isn’t loaded with waste then Valve won’t change

Monojellyfish
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Monojellyfish

This wins Jimquisition of the year for the use of Eric Bishoff’s theme at the beginning alone.

Gennadios
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Gennadios

Jim, Upload a remastered/director’s cut of Peaches to Steam. We need you to set an example to said shithead devs.

MuddyScarecrow
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That Applebee’s metaphor is now my favorite analogy you’ve done for Steam’s relationship with shithouse developers. =3 When I heard about the argument that Steam doesn’t need to regulate its wares because it’s a “store front” the retort I came up with was “If that were fucking true then every shelf in Walgreens or CVS would just be stuffed with Meth and Molly. On the same shelves you’d get Alka Seltzer and Robitussin. Blocking them from view so you don’t even know they’re there.”

YoDude
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YoDude

Honestly I’d rather just the molly.

daasbuffy
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daasbuffy

It is nice to see you up and about after surgery thank God for you Jim Sterling my favourite “ambulance chasing Youtube pundit” ever.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Jim ‘Half a Prayer’ Sterling. Although that was a praying mantis so that reference doesn’t really work. I’ve interacted with the creator of the Caligula game as I asked if you would be able to marry your horse in the game.

meszu9e_sofe
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i think you should see a marine biologist, mr STERLING.
& on a completely serious note –
get well soon.
cheerio!

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I thought this weeks JQ would be on Dunkey’s video on game critics.

Chris
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Perhaps Jim has better things to do than respond to the YouTubers, like actually taking about games and the game industry.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Was this particularly a big thing or just one person ranting?

Chris
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Just one person complaining that he doesn’t like when magazines or sites have more than one reviewer because he’s apparently too lazy to read bylines, then rehashing the tired old “review scores are too high” and “publications are worried about offending publishers, therefore corruption!” arguments that everyone’s heard before.

I have no idea why people are treating this like a huge deal. He wastes several minutes going over clips to find one IGN reviewer who likes Sonic games and another who doesn’t and claiming that proves you can never trust anything anyone from IGN says.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Which is a flawed point as one reviewer per site would just create a specific environment and be very clearly biased in terms that reviewers preference. As we shouldn’t want diversity in this area.

Is this someone who is considered relevant? I’m really not seeing why Jim would cover this.

Chris
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He’s apparently popular enough that a lot of journalists felt like they had to write columns responding apparently. Hence my annoyance with it.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

The fact that so many so-called journalists got so overly defensive over that video and personally attacked him over it proves that he was right all along.

Chris
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So if people attack you that means you’re right? It can’t possibly mean that you made a stupid, reductive point? Good to know that you clearly think I’m right then Diamond based on how often you feel the need to get defensive and attack me based on my opinions.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

No he didn’t make a stupid reductive point, he made a very good point.

You’re the only person I see getting defensive right now.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Actually, Michael, you are the one being defensive currently. As you’ve felt the need to defend what this has person has stated in their video.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Actually no that’s you, not me.

Chris
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So in what way am I being defensive? I stated my opinion on the video and gave arguments to back it up. You instead just insult me and say ‘no he didn’t’ without actually defending your point.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Never insulted you at any point, I did just defend my point, guess you missed it somehow.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

You can insult people without saying bad words or specifically calling them names. I used to do it to you all the time, you only caught it sometimes (but in your revisionist history you’ll have known every single time or claim I never actually did).

You are being defensive, by definition. You brought up a point, it was challenged, and now you are DEFENDING your point. Don’t be daft.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Sounds like you’re being daft here.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Dunkey was not saying there should only be one reviewer per site, just that websites should not go out of their way to try and deemphasize their reviewers as much as possible, reviewers should actually be allowed to have their personalities so that the bylines actually matter, as opposed to the reviews just reading like a game instruction manual and being completely devoid of any real personality.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I don’t know what they were saying as I haven’t watched the video and have no plans to do so either. Which meant the only viewpoint available on it was what Chris had stated. The person who brought up the video had not actually provided any context which logically should be a requirement especially in a situation where they are expecting Jim to do a video about it.

Chris
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Except the video wasn’t just about IGN. It was about all game reviewers that write for multi-reviewer sites. He only used IGN as an example but then went on to condemn anyone who writes for websites rather than reviews games on their own for YouTube or their own site. I understand why you would like a video that says only YouTube reviews mean anything Diamond, but all he proved is that IGN has a shitty way of handling its reviews. And even then not really, he just proved it’s a way that he doesn’t like because he can’t be bothered… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

He may of but you also need to mention those points on here if you are going to bring the subject up.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

You missed Dunkey’s point entirely, it’s not about him being lazy(which he was not). It’s about IGN doing their best to downplay their reviewers despite them being very much a hive-mind. The fact that the names of the reviewers don’t appear in the Metacritic links for IGN reviews indicates that the website clearly does not value their reviewers(And everyone who left IGN has said as much) and even if one does click on the profile page for a reviewer on IGN, it tells them nothing at all about the reviewer in question.

Benj
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Benj

As a customer you can banned from a game for harassing people.

The standards for a developer expecting to make a profit should be higher not lower!

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