The Jimquisition: The Good Boys Of YouTube

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Tmartn and ProSyndicate were believed to have done naughty things, but they’ve been scientifically proven innocent thanks to FTC findings.

That IS how it works.

Oh, and just before we were ready to wrap, PewDiePie went ahead and did something shit. Again.

Justin McDaniel
Admin
Hey everyone, You probably could’ve expected this to happen, but I’m closing off comments on this article for awhile. I’ve just added new moderation tools to help manage this better, and I’m going through and cleaning up the mess that is down below. I feel we I should stress some “rules”. They didn’t have to be rules before, but common courtesy has long flown out the window online. So: 1. Starting now, you must be a registered user to comment. No guest commenting anymore. All user accounts must be approved by me or Jim. And just a heads up: I… Read more »
Alexey
Member

2017: An internet personality accidentally uses a racial slur – huge deal.
2027: Same thing happens – my bet is, nobody will give a s**t;

Am i the only one around, smart enough to recognize transient social trends?

InfamousDS
Member
InfamousDS

Randy Pitchford called Jim a liar in an interview posted today. The link is on Jim’s subreddit.

I think this is imminently more important than FuhrorDiePie and the Great Gambling Boyz. Please discuss, unless it becomes a video posted on this site. In that case, discuss it there.

222464
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222464
Hey Jim, I love you man, but this video has some issues. I disagree with the PewDiePie assessment, it seems awfully harsh. He definitely messed up, but the reaction he got seems out of line, in particular the DMCA thing. You say that these things have consequences, and that is true. But you completely miss that there are consequences to those consequences as well. Backlash goes both ways. So really, this is a non-argument. It’s the equivalent of saying “it is what it is”. Also, censorship isn’t the same thing as government censorship. I realize you use the word “free… Read more »
RomaDoma
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RomaDoma
There is a difference between cursing and using a racial epithet. Curse words are a quite arbitrary idea. Fuck, functionally, has no negative consequences. It’s a word that people have decided is ‘bad’ for spurious reasons. The N-word is a word that has been used for centuries to dehumanize a population of people. It is a word used specifically to hurt people and mark them as inferior. Someone like Pewdiepie who has a sizable group of viewers who are incredibly young and incredibly impressionable using the n-word normalizes it and makes his, again, incredibly young and incredibly impressionable audience think… Read more »
222464
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222464

I have now sent two messages that have not appeared. What’s going on? To any potential moderator reading this, could you provide an explanation? I believe my comments were extremely civil. I really hope that it’s not because you just don’t like my opinion.

222464
Guest
222464

Maybe there is a character limit?

George
Member
With respect, race itself is an arbitrary idea as it doesn’t exist in any objective way as it’s not a concept supported by science. And also all words in all languages are arbitrary ideas as well. Words don’t harm people it’s not like any kid who hasn’t listened to a hip hop song or watched late night TV or Cage on netflix hasn’t heard the N-word. That train on “normalization” left the station back in the early 90’s with gangster rap playing at my Catholic school. The problem here has more to do with the lack of regulation on Youtube… Read more »
Mr Ixolite
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Mr Ixolite

If words are arbitrary ideas which we shouldn’t assign too much importance to the connotations of, how come you’re, even here, specifically not using the unabbreviated version of the N-word?

YoDude
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YoDude

That’s funny. Arbitrary creation without grounding in science or not it’s a cultural thing. It’s a social thing.

God is an arbitrary creation not backed up by science (again not disprove though) that hasn’t stopped people murdering one another over their fictitious idols for untold millennia.

But yknow. Racism isn’t at all like that. It hardly as any affect on real life :/

George
Member

Felix may be a racist ass but him saying a bad word is a distraction and a hysterical over reaction compared to the dark sides of youtube that Tmartin represents.

Tmartn was selling an addictive product to minors. Yet people seem to be focusing on casual use of the n-word by some Swedish celebrity playing video games.

InfamousDS
Member
InfamousDS
Parents can stop their kids from buying loot boxes and gambling, because most kids don’t have carte blanche access to a credit card. It is a terrible thing, but the YouTuber problem is solved for the time being. Do it like them, and you’ll pay out the nose. Most parents don’t think their kid will become a racist-by-proxy through watching YouTube. It is planting seeds for later abuse, and converting some kids who don’t care about race now into kids who are racists when they are adults since the behavior was normalized in their entertainment. This is a discussion of… Read more »
RomaDoma
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RomaDoma
Race may be an arbitrary concept but it is one that HAS been used to cause harm to groups of people. It’s all well and good to talk about how “race doesn’t really exist you know” but to try and use that to ignore the existence of racial injustice is naïve at best and malicious at worst. And please, tell me all about how the n-word has never been used to harm people. Words DO have power. Language may be arbitrary but it is the tool that we use to understand and respond to the world. And I explained this… Read more »
George
Member

Most people outside the US can’t tell or hear the difference and early rap did not use the “ga” version. And frankly most people don’t care about the difference. It’s the same word to us.

Some Swedish guy saying a bad US word is not that important when all the kids “these days” have been hearing it on the playground, TV, rap songs, movies, ect for decades.

George
Member

The more important conversation is how Youtube will respond. Not the racist attitude of some video game let’s player.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Guest
ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

Youtube, is coming like a ghost town
All the revenue streams closed down
This place, is coming like a ghost town
Ads won’t play no more
Too much fighting on the dance floor

Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town?
We danced and sang, and the midis autoplayed in a de boomtown

This town, is coming like a ghost town
Why must the youth fight against themselves?
Google adsense is leaving the youth on the shelf
This place, is coming like a ghost town
No job to be found in this industry
Can’t go on no more
Advertisers getting angry

MopeyBloke
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MopeyBloke

Gaming was really better as a single person activity.

MopeyBloke
Member

Gaming was really better as a single person activity.
Joining “the discussion” was a mistake.

Chris
Member

Honestly the internet and Youtube seem like they were a mistake at this stage.

InfamousDS
Member
InfamousDS

That’s the whole reason I changed my pic from a happy cactuar to a moderately annoyed Cloud.

Daniel Benoy
Guest
Daniel Benoy
So if I don’t disclose my business relationships (vaugely defined as that concept is) the FTC could fine me now? I’m not siding with these crooked assholes by any stretch, but the world would be a lot better if I can post videos online without being scrutinized by some bureaucrat and their subjective opinion on my business dealings. This reminds me of people losing their prize money because it turns out that their third cousin, twice-removed, were working for the company that was holding the contest, because over-reaching regulators are constantly looming, ready to declare that a business dealing isn’t… Read more »
Chris
Member

Exactly. When I rigged a contest so that I would win, and then told everyone else about it while claiming it wasn’t rigged so they paid me money to enter the rigged contest I can’t possibly see how that was illegal! The free market should just sort this out and I should be allowed to keep all the money I scammed from these people while some other people on youtube say mean things about me, isn’t that punishment enough?

BAH!
Member
BAH!

Except:
1. It’s not arbitrary or vague in the VAST majority of cases.
2. It turns out just letting internet personalities call people out doesn’t actually cause the thing to stop happening because the majority of people don’t actually care enough to act. Case in point, asset flips. It’s only when an actual authority capable of dealing out punishments steps in that shit gets done.

Billy Inlow
Member

That’s sort of missing the point. The kind of personal relationships that would be looked at are ones like parents, children, or other close relatives. Someone’s cousin that they haven’t talked to in decades isn’t going to be relevant to anyone except a commenter trying to make a point and failing at it.

Snekadid
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Snekadid

You fucked up Jim, that was euros, but the wrong points are based off dollars so you need to convert, he has way more wrong points that you gave him.

chokoretto
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chokoretto

I wonder how many Wrong Points it’d work out to in Canadian dollars, or conversely in pounds…

AntarcticOasis
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AntarcticOasis
It’s sad to see that so many simply defend these guys. Is it the worst thing that has ever happened? No. Is it scummy behaviour that deserves critisism? Absolutely. Also, about PDP, whether or not it was a “slip of the tongue”, it’s not okay and it’s not justified. It’s racist, plain and simple. It’s the same disgust I get when I hear kids on the train talk about something they don’t like as “oh, that’s so gay” or talk about someone they don’t like by saying “you’re such a f*****”. They may not fully appreciate what the words mean… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude
I’m not sure if this’ll get seen. But I actually had to go skateboard out the poison from glancing through your comments on YouTube. You have the high ground. You’re right. In the political climate down south. Hell even here in Canada it’s important to stand up and call out hate speech. If the scared pimple faced teens of the internet want o shit on you for it let em. You did good calling out myopic charlatan s and a blatant racist everyone defends because he’s popular and undeniably pretty. You continue to do good in this climate. That shit… Read more »
Chris
Member
Let me see if I can sum up the ‘argument’ being used to “””defend””” PewDiePie here. “Lol guys it’s just jokes, you can’t let words hurt you, free speech and shit. You fragile snowflakes. But don’t ever call any gamer or youtuber racist though because that word hurts and makes me furious and is really the reason why me and so many of my friends have all these views because you discriminate against us and isn’t that the /real/ racism here?” And also- “Pewds has free speech, you can’t stop him from saying this stuff? Its a free country brah,… Read more »
Miles Saintborough
Member

Aside from all that, Pewd fans do have a point regarding the DCMA attack against him; it’s a scummy move and makes the Firewatch devs look like the stereotypical SJW that people love to make fun of. If the devs succeed in silencing Pewds, then what’s stopping anyone from doing the same thing against someone they don’t like? We’d have a lot of DigiHoms popping up.

Chris
Member

1) I don’t care about Lets Play, it’s always been an extremely legally grey area in terms of Copyright law and its Pewd’s fault for drawing this much attention to himself constantly.

2) I don’t see how that changes the fact that he’s a racist piece of shit. Or that he’s been a joke and a punchline for years among ‘gamer’ circles, his audience was almost all kids, until suddenly he was a racist. Then he was embraced fully. Tells you more about the ‘gamers’ and people like you than it does about him.

George
Member
I never thought that I would be the one to say this…but I think youtube needs a lot more regulation than it currently has, simply as it has become a defacto publisher of content. The moment around 8-9 years ago when people started looking at Youtube like a way to make money and spread messages rather than a place to upload funny things we started down this road. PewDiePIe’s racial slurs are actually not a big deal compared to Tmartn and ProSyndicate attempting to sell a potentially addictive behavior to minors. There’s also a vile and reprehensible phenomenon of the… Read more »
Thomas Szaban
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Thomas Szaban

I agree completely. If Youtube wants to be treated like network, they have to act like it and employ human oversight, not algorithms. As things stand, you can be the most inclusive Let’s Player out there, but the minute you say “fuck” or “shit” you are flagged as family unfriendly. All because of a handful of racist assholes. But isn’t that the way of things in life?; a few assholes ruin it all for everyone else.

WyattGr
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WyattGr
Something I’m just sad about is how kind of ordinary the reactions are going when you look at how people view celebrities. And yes, Pewdie is a celebrity, just as Jim has said, and just as many YouTubers have said the opposite because they aren’t ready to realize the power of consequence yet. Look at Bill Cosby, horrible disgusting human being the world is tired of because of what he did. Except, he was doing it for decades and getting away with it. All the other court cases, public ignored them. A book written by the kid from The Cosby… Read more »
George
Member
I think that the major difference though is that there was difficult to get hard evidence on Cosby. But when it did, I think his legions of fans disappeared. The same happened to Michael Jackson as well. Do Jackson and Cosby represent a “pre internet” version of this phenomena? Maybe? But I think it’s deeper than that. There’s a youtuber who’s handle is “Someblackguy,” and he pointed out that, Pewdiepie didn’t do anything that the vast majority of people don’t do on a regular basis. The average person really doesn’t care about the casual slurs they use every day like… Read more »
WyattGr
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WyattGr
Well, yes and no. There was evidence against Cosby, he went to court for it several times. His fans ignored it because they decided that a funny guy who played a father figure on a TV show must also be a great and lovable person in real life when again, one of his own co-starts wrote a book saying he outright creeped on her. Also related to how predators do pretend do be lovable and charismatic to get what they want, but that’s a separate (while still very important) discussion. It’s not pre-Internet, it’s just people put people on pedestals… Read more »
George
Member
I’ve said it on other posts (not as elegantly unfortunately) but I think we are past the point where we need to worry about Felix’s influence on kids. I think kids and even adults today are already normalized and have been for decades by now to the use of slurs to the point where they see it as a “slip of the tongue.” It’s not polite conversation, you know people won’t say “[♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫]” to their mom for example. I would guess that this is even more true outside the US. Felix being Swedish. I think that the audience and… Read more »
WyattGr
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WyattGr
YouTube regulation will come, I’m sure every time this bullshit happens each company that pulls up takes the YouTube CEOs and employees aside and says “We would stay but when you let ANYONE in you’re letting in the worst of the worst and no one feels comfortable with helping pedos and skinheads make money.” Maybe even verbatim that. I know companies are all about the profits, but this isn’t a movie, most CEOs and businesses do have moral standards and will drop the ad support when their conscious kicks in. YouTube lets bots monitor everything, but you need a human… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude

Lol.. wasn’t there a YouTube celebrity in recent memory who was famously a pedo? Shit is out there.

You’re right. The public hates having their idealized people tarnished.

Me x
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Me x

I find it equal parts amusing and infuriating that some of the comments on the YouTube video are dismissing Jim’s points offhandedly and asking him not to become an “SJW” or lean in any way towards the left. Hey… YT commenters… Jim has kind of been left wing for a few years now… this isn’t news… are you new here???

By the way: don’t read the YouTube comments. I’m lucky I had enough spoons today to stomach as much as I did before bailing.

MuddyScarecrow
Member
FFS I am getting so tired of video game developers jumping onto their morally superior high horses and damning everyone else in the process. This reminds me a lot of the time when Playtonic removed Jontron from Yooka Laylee and then proceeded to insult people who wanted to revoke their preorders because of this. To be perfectly clear I despise the term “virtue signalling” and see it as nothing more than another pointless word to shut down arguments from people who have no valid arguments to make. But whenever I see developers loudly announcing how disgusted they are with an… Read more »
Miles Saintborough
Member

What the Firewatch devs did was scummy as shit, but the case with Jontron is slightly different; he did work for them with voice acting and once he pulled that stupid stunt, Playtonic didn’t want to look like they supported someone like him. Yeah it sucks for the people who pre ordered and maybe Playtonic shouldn’t have added more fuel to the fire, but that’s just how business is.

George
Member
I’m just going to respond here but it’s to everyone…this may get me flamed. Campo Santo is a corporation. Putting aside Felix’s racism for a second. If WB were to threaten DMCA strikes against a “Random popular youtuber” for no reason other than “we don’t want our products associated with someone we don’t like” that wouldn’t be ethical. So no it’s not ethical here either just because Felix happens to be a [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫] and Campo Santo is an indi darling. If Campo Santo succeeds in some way. It sets a very dangerous president that EA, WB, Ubisoft and Nintendo… Read more »
machine_dirty
Member

I can’t blame the devs one bit for not wanting their game associated with a racist bigot like Felix.

Thomas Szaban
Guest
Thomas Szaban

It’s not about appearing morally superior, it is about not wanting your business to be associated with asshole racists. But there has to be a better way to condemn PDP than abusing the DMCA takedown system. By doing this, FW devs have opened a Pandora’s box. This on top of the next level adpocalypse shit that PDP just invited on everyone.

MuddyScarecrow
Member
I seem to have let my emotions get the better of me here. I’m not saying that what they did is bad in THEORY. I’m not defending racism. Absolutely not. I’m just saying that the way they’ve gone about it makes their motives seem a bit suspect. Again I cannot stress how much I hate people misusing the term “virtue signalling” (if there even IS a good way to use it) it just puts your motivations into question when you try to DMCA the videos of a guy who doesn’t even work for you. That’s taking the “we can’t tolerate… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I don’t think their motives are suspect but that doesn’t mean their method of doing this is the best option to use.

phantomrachie
Member
what other way to they have to remove videos of their game from PDP’s channel though? They don’t want to be associated with him any more, they don’t want people to google let’s plays of Firewatch and see a racist playing it, which is perfectly understandable so what other way do they have of removing his video? Advertisers can just pull their ads or sonsponship (which has already happened to PDP) but what mechanism does Youtube have to allow a dev to say ‘this YouTuber is a racist pos & we don’t want our game associated with him’? At the… Read more »
George
Member

They should have contacted Google and asked them to pull the video.

phantomrachie
Member

Is there a process for that, that is not a DMCA? Google would just ignore a normal request unless they are a huge company or a government

It’s all very well to criticise Campo Santo for doing it but what is the official process for getting a video off YouTube that is not a DMCA?

Thomas Szaban
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Thomas Szaban

I get that. PDP is a racist piece of shit and need to be called out. But Campo Santo used the wrong method in trying to distance themselves from him. Our stances our pretty similar. Don’t worry about it.

YoDude
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YoDude

Don’t get what’s wrong with some righteous backstabbing. Boo censorship yeah.

But when vitriolic garbage like Pewds is spewing out that crap I fail to see what’s wrong with FW doin what they did.

Literal (wannabe) Nazis are about bro. Sons of Odin are patching up and riding down the roads in my home city ffs.

People need to get burned so they’ll fuck off.

Miles Saintborough
Member

What the FW devs are doing is exactly the same kind of shit DigiHom pulled against Jim Sterling. “Oh I didn’t like what you said, so I’m gonna silence you in the name of my own personal justice and fuck anyone that defends you.”

It doesn’t have to be about just racism. This incident could embolden people to try and attempt to silence anyone that even so much as annoy them slightly.

Kirk Hammer
Member
These guys are like the popular kids who always take things too far, who bully people and do mean-spirited “pranks”, who break or spoil things for everyone else because they’re wrapped up in that attitude of “If what I’m doing wasn’t okay, then surely I wouldn’t be so popular!” In reality, once you’re popular people will constantly excuse what you do and even redefine what they consider “too far” rather than threaten the sense of self they invested in being a fan of you. For example Jontron was the first youtuber I subscribed to years ago (another guy fond of… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude

You’re supposed to grow out of shock humor as you get older and more aware of the community and your place within it.

No shame. I said mean shit when I was young. I was hypocritical about it too.

It shows that you’ve matured and become *better* in that you regret your old words or decisions.

Also Jontron is a pos good on you lol.

Yusblind
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Yusblind

Jim, you should have taken more time to think about the second half of the video.
Outside of the fact that they’re youtubers, scammers doing scams then getting away with it and Pewdiepie saying a bad word then getting a ton of attention are unrelated. Even in the video itself you completely fail to establish a link between the two topics.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Actually, the connection is “these boys didn’t do anything wrong” – the response to the guy who paid sri lankan teenagers to hold up a sign saying “kill all the jews” then saying the n-word is people pretending like the thing he’s most notable for – paying sri lnakan teenagers to hold up a sign saying “kill all the jews” – didn’t happen and who are *we* to judge him, for have we all not casually dropped the n-word? And that was sadly predictable because that’s always how these things shake out; There’s no persistent memory, no change or repurcussions… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

He didn’t have to establish a link. He can discuss more than one topic in a video, which he frequently does but generally doesn’t give as much coverage to it something else which he will bring up.

Kirk Hammer
Member

Jim says in this very video that the Pewdiepie thing happened at the last minute (and we all know people would have been asking why he didn’t talk about it, like with the Shadow of War lootboxes during the Shelob video).
Besides, the commonality between the two is the whole point of the video – these Youtubers believing that they’re bulletproof because their fans will never turn on them, and their fans clambering over one another to assert that yes, yes they ARE bulletproof “because someone I like can never be wrong”.

Austin_SJ
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Austin_SJ
People now work with the approach that once you support someone any time you admit they are wrong reflects on you and represents weakness. Over time this develops into a paranoid obsession with the opposition to whoever you support, as they are out to undermine and destroy you. Of course because you can’t admit to any weakness the only way they could destroy you is through elaborate global conspiracy. The internet enables you to surround yourself with others who think in the same twisted way as you and encourage you to become more vocal in your support of your beliefs.… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude
These people are young idiots wothoit their own identity. And (Hippie alert; fair warning) I think it has a lot to do with our consumerist culture. You are what you buy. What you watch. What you wear. What people tell you to say. A lot of these kids are blurting out what they think will give them an identity. I used to hate all music except the heaviest of death metal. Depriving myself of punk and emo lyrics that resonated with me personally. I chose to define myself exclusively in one way for no real reason. These people are doing… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100
I think it’s a similar scenario to the people who rabidly defend their favourite games from even the slightest criticism no matter how valid. They don’t like to admit that the game they’ve bought is crap/flawed/not 100% perfect and rather than accept that fact they take the position that they can’t be wrong because (at least in their heads) their taste is immaculate. It’s a position I can understand to a point, nobody likes to be wrong and it’s something that can be hard to admit to being at times. That said, when the issue is things like video games… Read more »
RomaDoma
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RomaDoma
I actually think it’s less shallow than people not wanting to believe that their taste isn’t immaculate. Most people include the things they love as an extension of themselves, so when people criticize the things they love they feel like they’re being criticized. Saying a game that someone likes is shit feels like you’re saying that they’re shit. And it hurts, so people lash out. So many people have never been taught how to deal with criticism in a healthy way, so instead of taking the criticism and growing they dig their heels in and defend things even more rabidly.… Read more »
helpinghand
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helpinghand
in this i think jim is perfectly right to rest some of the blame on pew pew, here’s my reason i think of you tube like a country and ads like its currency the people are advertisers who use you tube, now one day this country appoint a new figure head think of it like the British queen shes a symbol but nothing more she has no real power, now on day this figure head decides to to walk out to the press and take a turd in front of them this then i turn makes the currency value go… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I managed to avoid Undertale spoilers for 2 years. Finally saw True Pacifist on the basis of my own efforts last week. I have decided that it is the only ending, none of the others exist, and I deleted the game from my PS4 to remove any temptation otherwise. I managed to avoid NiER: Automata spoilers for months now. Finally got Ending E last night. I made plans around what I thought might be coming, but I still wasn’t prepared and my plans lie forgotten in the back of my mind. Last year, I remember shouting in triumph when I… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

One of the endings in Undertale I’ve long since given up on the likelihood of experiencing it personally due to a certain fight.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

Yeah, I DON’T understand why no one has stepped in and got rid of the racist, harassment, etc. channels. There’s huge swaths of YouTube that’s Nazis and white supremacist and these channels have thousands of subscribers. YouTube is in a sorry state and it needs to get its ass in gear.

YoDude
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YoDude

They call censorship. And… It is censorship.

But it’s against hate speech. Which is not protected at least where I’m from by Free Speech laws.

So. Go gung ho. Rip that shit Dow. It’s just brainwashing a generation of rejects who can’t figure out why they’re not where they want to be in life.

George
Member

Yes but remember that hate speech is very narrowly defined in Canada. You would have to call for the destruction or violence against whole groups for it to be hate speech otherwise it’s protected under the Charter.

JackieGoOutside
Member
JackieGoOutside

This point has been brought up but, nah, it’s not censorship, in any sense. There’s a difference from stopping people from saying racist shit and letting people say racist shit on/in your property. YouTube can kick their asses off their platform and they can go to whatever “free speech” YouTube knock off is around, as long as they don’t spread communlist propaganda. Your vids get taken down if they’re communlist propaganda.

George
Member

Just as a bit of background, in Canada Charter rights like Free Speech must be upheld by everyone even private organizations to an extent.

machine_dirty
Member

If one good thing comes out of this, I hope that it’s bankrupting scumbags like Sargon of Akkad, Thunderfoot, GradeAUnderA, Razorfist and AlphaOmegaSin.

JackieGoOutside
Member
JackieGoOutside

Those people have Patreon, PayPal and shit like that and other platforms to go rant on. The only way this would effect them is if YouTube does drastic changes that other websites adopt.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Youtube won’t get rid of them because despite their claims to give a shit about these issues they also know that certain channels like the harassment/drama channels get lots of views and therefor keep ad revenue high and at the end of the day companies like youtube only have any concept of morality, never mind a position, when it’s beneficial for them.

machine_dirty
Member

Actually according to TotalBiscuit, Youtube HATES the “Dramasphere” and are doing everything they can to get rid of it.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100

They’re doing a fucking shite job of it then. They control the platform they could just shut down the channels, claiming breaches of assorted Ts and Cs, It’s not like they won’t have an army of lawyers who could back it up too.

Chris
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Chris
I find it pretty saddening that there’s an abundance of “oh no someone said a bad word on the internet!!!” comments in response to a guy who quite literally invents new ways to swear on a weekly basis. There’s no time for understanding context, thinking, or even reading for that matter, in the race to be the first clever guy in the comment section. To make a two-paragraph rant short: there’s a difference between profanity and language that is absolutely damaging. There’s nobody above these cultural stipulations, no matter how intellectual you think you are. Oh, and the Tmartin and… Read more »
Doublep
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Doublep
But does anybody have a link to the Pewdiepie incriminated video? Possibly with the exact time at which it happens, watching an entire Pewdiepie let’s play may permanently damage my psyche. According to his defenders it happened on a livestream, and he immediately apologized, in which case i feel slightly sorry for him (as sorry as you can feel for somebody who still made a shitload of money out of the video), as he made a mistake, and tried to make up for it as best he could. For some others commenters on youtube, the video was pre-recorded, so he… Read more »
Doublep
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Doublep
Finally found it… God, searching on google for “PewDiePie racial slurs” gets you in the worst part of the internet. Anyway, yeah, hard to define as an apology, let’s say he realized what he did, thought about it in a panic for a few seconds, and then came up with the minimum acceptable acknowledgement that could be called an apology. Anyway, in cases like this, i don’t see the Ad Partners of Youtube as the biggest issue. They will at some point be offered the couiche to withdraw advertisements from specific videos/channels, but that would hardly stop racist people from… Read more »
Justin McDaniel
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Saw you had multiple attempts at this post. Sorry for the delay. Any topic like this is going to have certain buzzwords that Moderation is going to grab on to. I’m not sure which one exactly, but it’s probably working overdrive with the subject on hand. If you ever see a post not show up, don’t worry, I go through a couple times a day and handle all approvals.

Ayon Windsor
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Ayon Windsor

Hey, since I happen to stumble upon you here, I’d still like to be able to become a member without using the social media sites on offer (I don’t have and want accounts with them). Is that still something planned and in work or will I have to deal with being a guest?

(I don’t want to sound demanding, I’d just love to have a little update since Jim is rarely talking about site improvements coming along in the last few weeks, also, sorry for being off-topic).

Justin McDaniel
Admin

There should now be a prompt at the top of the page where you can Log In, and from there be able to register a new account.

Doublep
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Doublep

Thanks man! No problems, better to miss a post than letting stuff through the filter. By the way, keep up the work helping Jim with the site, love the all the new content and design coming up lately!

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside
I don’t think you can link things here but if you google for it, you’ll find it eventually. It’s all over Twitter. But I saw it. He did “apologize”. What happened is that he messed up a shot in PUBG or whatever, called the person he shot at the n-word, then he stopped, said sorry, and called them an asshole instead. Like, the FIRST thing that slipped from his mouth is the n-word, his go to insult, the thing he wouldn’t have apologized for if he wasn’t being recorded. It’s not a good look when the go-to insult in a… Read more »
BAH!
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BAH!

I don’t know how “immediate” anyone would mean, because he certainly doesn’t say anything like “that was wrong of me to say” or “I shouldn’t have said that”. Instead he says something along the lines of “I don’t mean that in a bad way” about 5 seconds afterwards. Not the same thing as an apology.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100

These people really do seem to be infallible in their own heads. Rather than admitting he fucked it and apologising he instead looks to find a way of justifying himself. It’s similar to Tmartn’s ‘apology’ video where it was one of those I got caught but refuse to accept it. They’re on a different fucking planet that lot.

Dr.Sun
Guest
Dr.Sun

Jim risked a lot of sarcasm this week. Guess I wait to see how many heads it goes over.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100
As many problems as the British legal system has I can’t help but feel a bit proud that it hammered Nepenthez, the absolute scumbag that he is, into the ground as hard as was possible. As for Pewdiepie, this is twice now. You have to wonder what’s going on in the heads of the people responsible for this sort of stuff at youtube, a site where videos containing even relatively tame levels of swearing/profanity get demonotised instantly but Pewdiepie seems to be able to get away with it. You’d think youtube’d have done something by now, especially considering that at… Read more »
MuddyScarecrow
Member

You know it’s funny you say that because there was a case of advertisers dropping his content long before this! Machinima was doing a brand deal with Levi’s but Levi’s decided to actually look at the content they were sponsering. They took one look at Pewdiepie (part of Machinima at the time) and said “NOPE” and cancelled the whole thing. Admittedly not Pewd’s fault buuuuuut definitely a harbinger of things to come I’d say.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100

I know that after the nazi furore Disney gave him the boot and youtube canned his youtube red show but other than those two events, which don’t seem to have had any appreciable impact, there seem to be no consequences for the guy.

HelixShade
Member
HelixShade

I think Jim said it best on several times – there should be some sort of consequences, even if it’s just a fine. TMartin and ProSyndicate both did a very naughty thing and basically got away with it. The extra funny part about all this is allegedly the two fled country to avoid facing charges – so they know what they did was bad.

HelixShade
Member
HelixShade

I think Jim said it best on several times – there should be some sort of consequences, even if it’s just a fine. TMartin and ProSyndicate both did a very naughty thing and basically got away with it. The extra funny part about all this is allegedly the two fled country to avoid facing charges – so they know what they did was bad.

Arella Jardin
Member
Arella Jardin

Agreed, Pewdiepie is the one name in the gaming community the mainstream knows. I can’t imagine advertisers being happy being associated with him if he’s going to casually drop racial slurs.

Anton
Member
Anton

I’m pretty sure gamers in general are pretty sick of being associated with him at this point.

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