The Jimquisition: The Good Boys Of YouTube

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Tmartn and ProSyndicate were believed to have done naughty things, but they’ve been scientifically proven innocent thanks to FTC findings.

That IS how it works.

Oh, and just before we were ready to wrap, PewDiePie went ahead and did something shit. Again.

George
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George
I never thought that I would be the one to say this…but I think youtube needs a lot more regulation than it currently has, simply as it has become a defacto publisher of content. The moment around 8-9 years ago when people started looking at Youtube like a way to make money and spread messages rather than a place to upload funny things we started down this road. PewDiePIe’s racial slurs are actually not a big deal compared to Tmartn and ProSyndicate attempting to sell a potentially addictive behavior to minors. There’s also a vile and reprehensible phenomenon of the… Read more »
Thomas Szaban
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Thomas Szaban

I agree completely. If Youtube wants to be treated like network, they have to act like it and employ human oversight, not algorithms. As things stand, you can be the most inclusive Let’s Player out there, but the minute you say “fuck” or “shit” you are flagged as family unfriendly. All because of a handful of racist assholes. But isn’t that the way of things in life?; a few assholes ruin it all for everyone else.

WyattGr
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WyattGr
Something I’m just sad about is how kind of ordinary the reactions are going when you look at how people view celebrities. And yes, Pewdie is a celebrity, just as Jim has said, and just as many YouTubers have said the opposite because they aren’t ready to realize the power of consequence yet. Look at Bill Cosby, horrible disgusting human being the world is tired of because of what he did. Except, he was doing it for decades and getting away with it. All the other court cases, public ignored them. A book written by the kid from The Cosby… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude

Lol.. wasn’t there a YouTube celebrity in recent memory who was famously a pedo? Shit is out there.

You’re right. The public hates having their idealized people tarnished.

George
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George
I think that the major difference though is that there was difficult to get hard evidence on Cosby. But when it did, I think his legions of fans disappeared. The same happened to Michael Jackson as well. Do Jackson and Cosby represent a “pre internet” version of this phenomena? Maybe? But I think it’s deeper than that. There’s a youtuber who’s handle is “Someblackguy,” and he pointed out that, Pewdiepie didn’t do anything that the vast majority of people don’t do on a regular basis. The average person really doesn’t care about the casual slurs they use every day like… Read more »
WyattGr
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WyattGr
Well, yes and no. There was evidence against Cosby, he went to court for it several times. His fans ignored it because they decided that a funny guy who played a father figure on a TV show must also be a great and lovable person in real life when again, one of his own co-starts wrote a book saying he outright creeped on her. Also related to how predators do pretend do be lovable and charismatic to get what they want, but that’s a separate (while still very important) discussion. It’s not pre-Internet, it’s just people put people on pedestals… Read more »
George
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George
I’ve said it on other posts (not as elegantly unfortunately) but I think we are past the point where we need to worry about Felix’s influence on kids. I think kids and even adults today are already normalized and have been for decades by now to the use of slurs to the point where they see it as a “slip of the tongue.” It’s not polite conversation, you know people won’t say “[♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫]” to their mom for example. I would guess that this is even more true outside the US. Felix being Swedish. I think that the audience and… Read more »
WyattGr
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WyattGr
YouTube regulation will come, I’m sure every time this bullshit happens each company that pulls up takes the YouTube CEOs and employees aside and says “We would stay but when you let ANYONE in you’re letting in the worst of the worst and no one feels comfortable with helping pedos and skinheads make money.” Maybe even verbatim that. I know companies are all about the profits, but this isn’t a movie, most CEOs and businesses do have moral standards and will drop the ad support when their conscious kicks in. YouTube lets bots monitor everything, but you need a human… Read more »
Me x
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Me x

I find it equal parts amusing and infuriating that some of the comments on the YouTube video are dismissing Jim’s points offhandedly and asking him not to become an “SJW” or lean in any way towards the left. Hey… YT commenters… Jim has kind of been left wing for a few years now… this isn’t news… are you new here???

By the way: don’t read the YouTube comments. I’m lucky I had enough spoons today to stomach as much as I did before bailing.

MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow
FFS I am getting so tired of video game developers jumping onto their morally superior high horses and damning everyone else in the process. This reminds me a lot of the time when Playtonic removed Jontron from Yooka Laylee and then proceeded to insult people who wanted to revoke their preorders because of this. To be perfectly clear I despise the term “virtue signalling” and see it as nothing more than another pointless word to shut down arguments from people who have no valid arguments to make. But whenever I see developers loudly announcing how disgusted they are with an… Read more »
Thomas Szaban
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Thomas Szaban

It’s not about appearing morally superior, it is about not wanting your business to be associated with asshole racists. But there has to be a better way to condemn PDP than abusing the DMCA takedown system. By doing this, FW devs have opened a Pandora’s box. This on top of the next level adpocalypse shit that PDP just invited on everyone.

MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow
I seem to have let my emotions get the better of me here. I’m not saying that what they did is bad in THEORY. I’m not defending racism. Absolutely not. I’m just saying that the way they’ve gone about it makes their motives seem a bit suspect. Again I cannot stress how much I hate people misusing the term “virtue signalling” (if there even IS a good way to use it) it just puts your motivations into question when you try to DMCA the videos of a guy who doesn’t even work for you. That’s taking the “we can’t tolerate… Read more »
Thomas Szaban
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Thomas Szaban

I get that. PDP is a racist piece of shit and need to be called out. But Campo Santo used the wrong method in trying to distance themselves from him. Our stances our pretty similar. Don’t worry about it.

YoDude
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YoDude

Don’t get what’s wrong with some righteous backstabbing. Boo censorship yeah.

But when vitriolic garbage like Pewds is spewing out that crap I fail to see what’s wrong with FW doin what they did.

Literal (wannabe) Nazis are about bro. Sons of Odin are patching up and riding down the roads in my home city ffs.

People need to get burned so they’ll fuck off.

Miles Saintborough
Member

What the FW devs are doing is exactly the same kind of shit DigiHom pulled against Jim Sterling. “Oh I didn’t like what you said, so I’m gonna silence you in the name of my own personal justice and fuck anyone that defends you.”

It doesn’t have to be about just racism. This incident could embolden people to try and attempt to silence anyone that even so much as annoy them slightly.

phantomrachie
Member
what other way to they have to remove videos of their game from PDP’s channel though? They don’t want to be associated with him any more, they don’t want people to google let’s plays of Firewatch and see a racist playing it, which is perfectly understandable so what other way do they have of removing his video? Advertisers can just pull their ads or sonsponship (which has already happened to PDP) but what mechanism does Youtube have to allow a dev to say ‘this YouTuber is a racist pos & we don’t want our game associated with him’? At the… Read more »
George
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George

They should have contacted Google and asked them to pull the video.

phantomrachie
Member

Is there a process for that, that is not a DMCA? Google would just ignore a normal request unless they are a huge company or a government

It’s all very well to criticise Campo Santo for doing it but what is the official process for getting a video off YouTube that is not a DMCA?

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I don’t think their motives are suspect but that doesn’t mean their method of doing this is the best option to use.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I can’t blame the devs one bit for not wanting their game associated with a racist bigot like Felix.

George
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George
I’m just going to respond here but it’s to everyone…this may get me flamed. Campo Santo is a corporation. Putting aside Felix’s racism for a second. If WB were to threaten DMCA strikes against a “Random popular youtuber” for no reason other than “we don’t want our products associated with someone we don’t like” that wouldn’t be ethical. So no it’s not ethical here either just because Felix happens to be a [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫] and Campo Santo is an indi darling. If Campo Santo succeeds in some way. It sets a very dangerous president that EA, WB, Ubisoft and Nintendo… Read more »
Miles Saintborough
Member

What the Firewatch devs did was scummy as shit, but the case with Jontron is slightly different; he did work for them with voice acting and once he pulled that stupid stunt, Playtonic didn’t want to look like they supported someone like him. Yeah it sucks for the people who pre ordered and maybe Playtonic shouldn’t have added more fuel to the fire, but that’s just how business is.

Kirk Hammer
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Kirk Hammer
These guys are like the popular kids who always take things too far, who bully people and do mean-spirited “pranks”, who break or spoil things for everyone else because they’re wrapped up in that attitude of “If what I’m doing wasn’t okay, then surely I wouldn’t be so popular!” In reality, once you’re popular people will constantly excuse what you do and even redefine what they consider “too far” rather than threaten the sense of self they invested in being a fan of you. For example Jontron was the first youtuber I subscribed to years ago (another guy fond of… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude

You’re supposed to grow out of shock humor as you get older and more aware of the community and your place within it.

No shame. I said mean shit when I was young. I was hypocritical about it too.

It shows that you’ve matured and become *better* in that you regret your old words or decisions.

Also Jontron is a pos good on you lol.

Yusblind
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Yusblind

Jim, you should have taken more time to think about the second half of the video.
Outside of the fact that they’re youtubers, scammers doing scams then getting away with it and Pewdiepie saying a bad word then getting a ton of attention are unrelated. Even in the video itself you completely fail to establish a link between the two topics.

Kirk Hammer
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Kirk Hammer

Jim says in this very video that the Pewdiepie thing happened at the last minute (and we all know people would have been asking why he didn’t talk about it, like with the Shadow of War lootboxes during the Shelob video).
Besides, the commonality between the two is the whole point of the video – these Youtubers believing that they’re bulletproof because their fans will never turn on them, and their fans clambering over one another to assert that yes, yes they ARE bulletproof “because someone I like can never be wrong”.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

He didn’t have to establish a link. He can discuss more than one topic in a video, which he frequently does but generally doesn’t give as much coverage to it something else which he will bring up.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Actually, the connection is “these boys didn’t do anything wrong” – the response to the guy who paid sri lankan teenagers to hold up a sign saying “kill all the jews” then saying the n-word is people pretending like the thing he’s most notable for – paying sri lnakan teenagers to hold up a sign saying “kill all the jews” – didn’t happen and who are *we* to judge him, for have we all not casually dropped the n-word? And that was sadly predictable because that’s always how these things shake out; There’s no persistent memory, no change or repurcussions… Read more »
Austin_SJ
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Austin_SJ
People now work with the approach that once you support someone any time you admit they are wrong reflects on you and represents weakness. Over time this develops into a paranoid obsession with the opposition to whoever you support, as they are out to undermine and destroy you. Of course because you can’t admit to any weakness the only way they could destroy you is through elaborate global conspiracy. The internet enables you to surround yourself with others who think in the same twisted way as you and encourage you to become more vocal in your support of your beliefs.… Read more »
Galactix100
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Galactix100
I think it’s a similar scenario to the people who rabidly defend their favourite games from even the slightest criticism no matter how valid. They don’t like to admit that the game they’ve bought is crap/flawed/not 100% perfect and rather than accept that fact they take the position that they can’t be wrong because (at least in their heads) their taste is immaculate. It’s a position I can understand to a point, nobody likes to be wrong and it’s something that can be hard to admit to being at times. That said, when the issue is things like video games… Read more »
RomaDoma
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RomaDoma
I actually think it’s less shallow than people not wanting to believe that their taste isn’t immaculate. Most people include the things they love as an extension of themselves, so when people criticize the things they love they feel like they’re being criticized. Saying a game that someone likes is shit feels like you’re saying that they’re shit. And it hurts, so people lash out. So many people have never been taught how to deal with criticism in a healthy way, so instead of taking the criticism and growing they dig their heels in and defend things even more rabidly.… Read more »
YoDude
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YoDude
These people are young idiots wothoit their own identity. And (Hippie alert; fair warning) I think it has a lot to do with our consumerist culture. You are what you buy. What you watch. What you wear. What people tell you to say. A lot of these kids are blurting out what they think will give them an identity. I used to hate all music except the heaviest of death metal. Depriving myself of punk and emo lyrics that resonated with me personally. I chose to define myself exclusively in one way for no real reason. These people are doing… Read more »
helpinghand
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helpinghand
in this i think jim is perfectly right to rest some of the blame on pew pew, here’s my reason i think of you tube like a country and ads like its currency the people are advertisers who use you tube, now one day this country appoint a new figure head think of it like the British queen shes a symbol but nothing more she has no real power, now on day this figure head decides to to walk out to the press and take a turd in front of them this then i turn makes the currency value go… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I managed to avoid Undertale spoilers for 2 years. Finally saw True Pacifist on the basis of my own efforts last week. I have decided that it is the only ending, none of the others exist, and I deleted the game from my PS4 to remove any temptation otherwise. I managed to avoid NiER: Automata spoilers for months now. Finally got Ending E last night. I made plans around what I thought might be coming, but I still wasn’t prepared and my plans lie forgotten in the back of my mind. Last year, I remember shouting in triumph when I… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

One of the endings in Undertale I’ve long since given up on the likelihood of experiencing it personally due to a certain fight.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

Yeah, I DON’T understand why no one has stepped in and got rid of the racist, harassment, etc. channels. There’s huge swaths of YouTube that’s Nazis and white supremacist and these channels have thousands of subscribers. YouTube is in a sorry state and it needs to get its ass in gear.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Youtube won’t get rid of them because despite their claims to give a shit about these issues they also know that certain channels like the harassment/drama channels get lots of views and therefor keep ad revenue high and at the end of the day companies like youtube only have any concept of morality, never mind a position, when it’s beneficial for them.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

Actually according to TotalBiscuit, Youtube HATES the “Dramasphere” and are doing everything they can to get rid of it.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

They’re doing a fucking shite job of it then. They control the platform they could just shut down the channels, claiming breaches of assorted Ts and Cs, It’s not like they won’t have an army of lawyers who could back it up too.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

If one good thing comes out of this, I hope that it’s bankrupting scumbags like Sargon of Akkad, Thunderfoot, GradeAUnderA, Razorfist and AlphaOmegaSin.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

Those people have Patreon, PayPal and shit like that and other platforms to go rant on. The only way this would effect them is if YouTube does drastic changes that other websites adopt.

YoDude
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YoDude

They call censorship. And… It is censorship.

But it’s against hate speech. Which is not protected at least where I’m from by Free Speech laws.

So. Go gung ho. Rip that shit Dow. It’s just brainwashing a generation of rejects who can’t figure out why they’re not where they want to be in life.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

This point has been brought up but, nah, it’s not censorship, in any sense. There’s a difference from stopping people from saying racist shit and letting people say racist shit on/in your property. YouTube can kick their asses off their platform and they can go to whatever “free speech” YouTube knock off is around, as long as they don’t spread communlist propaganda. Your vids get taken down if they’re communlist propaganda.

George
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George

Just as a bit of background, in Canada Charter rights like Free Speech must be upheld by everyone even private organizations to an extent.

George
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George

Yes but remember that hate speech is very narrowly defined in Canada. You would have to call for the destruction or violence against whole groups for it to be hate speech otherwise it’s protected under the Charter.

Chris
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Chris
I find it pretty saddening that there’s an abundance of “oh no someone said a bad word on the internet!!!” comments in response to a guy who quite literally invents new ways to swear on a weekly basis. There’s no time for understanding context, thinking, or even reading for that matter, in the race to be the first clever guy in the comment section. To make a two-paragraph rant short: there’s a difference between profanity and language that is absolutely damaging. There’s nobody above these cultural stipulations, no matter how intellectual you think you are. Oh, and the Tmartin and… Read more »
Doublep
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Doublep
But does anybody have a link to the Pewdiepie incriminated video? Possibly with the exact time at which it happens, watching an entire Pewdiepie let’s play may permanently damage my psyche. According to his defenders it happened on a livestream, and he immediately apologized, in which case i feel slightly sorry for him (as sorry as you can feel for somebody who still made a shitload of money out of the video), as he made a mistake, and tried to make up for it as best he could. For some others commenters on youtube, the video was pre-recorded, so he… Read more »
BAH!
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BAH!

I don’t know how “immediate” anyone would mean, because he certainly doesn’t say anything like “that was wrong of me to say” or “I shouldn’t have said that”. Instead he says something along the lines of “I don’t mean that in a bad way” about 5 seconds afterwards. Not the same thing as an apology.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

These people really do seem to be infallible in their own heads. Rather than admitting he fucked it and apologising he instead looks to find a way of justifying himself. It’s similar to Tmartn’s ‘apology’ video where it was one of those I got caught but refuse to accept it. They’re on a different fucking planet that lot.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside
I don’t think you can link things here but if you google for it, you’ll find it eventually. It’s all over Twitter. But I saw it. He did “apologize”. What happened is that he messed up a shot in PUBG or whatever, called the person he shot at the n-word, then he stopped, said sorry, and called them an asshole instead. Like, the FIRST thing that slipped from his mouth is the n-word, his go to insult, the thing he wouldn’t have apologized for if he wasn’t being recorded. It’s not a good look when the go-to insult in a… Read more »
Doublep
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Doublep
Finally found it… God, searching on google for “PewDiePie racial slurs” gets you in the worst part of the internet. Anyway, yeah, hard to define as an apology, let’s say he realized what he did, thought about it in a panic for a few seconds, and then came up with the minimum acceptable acknowledgement that could be called an apology. Anyway, in cases like this, i don’t see the Ad Partners of Youtube as the biggest issue. They will at some point be offered the couiche to withdraw advertisements from specific videos/channels, but that would hardly stop racist people from… Read more »
Justin McDaniel
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Saw you had multiple attempts at this post. Sorry for the delay. Any topic like this is going to have certain buzzwords that Moderation is going to grab on to. I’m not sure which one exactly, but it’s probably working overdrive with the subject on hand. If you ever see a post not show up, don’t worry, I go through a couple times a day and handle all approvals.

Doublep
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Doublep

Thanks man! No problems, better to miss a post than letting stuff through the filter. By the way, keep up the work helping Jim with the site, love the all the new content and design coming up lately!

Ayon Windsor
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Ayon Windsor

Hey, since I happen to stumble upon you here, I’d still like to be able to become a member without using the social media sites on offer (I don’t have and want accounts with them). Is that still something planned and in work or will I have to deal with being a guest?

(I don’t want to sound demanding, I’d just love to have a little update since Jim is rarely talking about site improvements coming along in the last few weeks, also, sorry for being off-topic).

Justin McDaniel
Admin

There should now be a prompt at the top of the page where you can Log In, and from there be able to register a new account.

Dr.Sun
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Dr.Sun

Jim risked a lot of sarcasm this week. Guess I wait to see how many heads it goes over.

Galactix100
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Galactix100
As many problems as the British legal system has I can’t help but feel a bit proud that it hammered Nepenthez, the absolute scumbag that he is, into the ground as hard as was possible. As for Pewdiepie, this is twice now. You have to wonder what’s going on in the heads of the people responsible for this sort of stuff at youtube, a site where videos containing even relatively tame levels of swearing/profanity get demonotised instantly but Pewdiepie seems to be able to get away with it. You’d think youtube’d have done something by now, especially considering that at… Read more »
Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

Agreed, Pewdiepie is the one name in the gaming community the mainstream knows. I can’t imagine advertisers being happy being associated with him if he’s going to casually drop racial slurs.

Anton
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Anton

I’m pretty sure gamers in general are pretty sick of being associated with him at this point.

HelxiShade
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HelxiShade

I think Jim said it best on several times – there should be some sort of consequences, even if it’s just a fine. TMartin and ProSyndicate both did a very naughty thing and basically got away with it. The extra funny part about all this is allegedly the two fled country to avoid facing charges – so they know what they did was bad.

HelixShade
Member
HelixShade

I think Jim said it best on several times – there should be some sort of consequences, even if it’s just a fine. TMartin and ProSyndicate both did a very naughty thing and basically got away with it. The extra funny part about all this is allegedly the two fled country to avoid facing charges – so they know what they did was bad.

MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow

You know it’s funny you say that because there was a case of advertisers dropping his content long before this! Machinima was doing a brand deal with Levi’s but Levi’s decided to actually look at the content they were sponsering. They took one look at Pewdiepie (part of Machinima at the time) and said “NOPE” and cancelled the whole thing. Admittedly not Pewd’s fault buuuuuut definitely a harbinger of things to come I’d say.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100

I know that after the nazi furore Disney gave him the boot and youtube canned his youtube red show but other than those two events, which don’t seem to have had any appreciable impact, there seem to be no consequences for the guy.

Arella Jardin
Member
Arella Jardin
People don’t want to have to think too hard about morals and ethics. They like something, they want to keep liking it, and holding someone accountable is just… inconvenient. At least we can take some small comfort that transparency rules will now apply to YouTube and video game gambling from here on out…. to an extent. I would love for Blizzard to have to be transparent about the probability ratios of their loot boxes. The example of people caring more about a journalist not being good at Cuphead, reminds me of the NFL. People will excuse dog fighting, drunk driving,… Read more »
MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow

You can ALWAYS rely on someone being kind of not good at a game to get that piss frothing. People hated Darsyde Phil for that long before it came to light that he’s also a shit human being to boot. I feel like for most people him being a living shit stain is just a bonus that justifies their hatred other than “git gud.”

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

To be fair Dean Takahashi has said some really stupid things, it goes beyond just him being awful at the game.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

I am in no way defending Pew, but the Firewatch dev was in the wrong for DMCAing him. Whether or not LPs are Fair Use is up for debate, so long as a court hasn’t weighed in and set legal precedent. But, DMCA is for copyright infringement, and the dev selectively chose Pew’s videos, while leaving up everyone else’s. That’s similar to taking down videos with criticism you don’t like.

Depending on your stance with LPs and Fair Use, you either have to hit them all, or none of them.

Wellsy487
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Wellsy487

I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it for the newsworthiness of it. Maybe I’m being cynical. By the way I’m not defending Pewdiepie at all, the idiot.

Octopus Grift
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Octopus Grift

On the president side of things I really hope that one is not where fair use has to be fought for, because a judge could feel more inclined to side with the people saying they do not want to be associated with racists. While I do not wish lawsuits on Jim the Digital Homicide case was easier for protecting fair use because the Romines were such assholes.
While the courts aren’t supposed to rule in favor of a person just because their opponents are assholes it can tip the scales a bit.

SleepyWill
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SleepyWill

That’s not at all true. When they wrote the permission on their website, they took the stance from a legal point of view that no let’s play is fair use, but they granted all a licence to use their content to make videos with.

All they have done is retracted that licence from Pewdipie.

MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow
Jesus Christ, this Pewdie motherfucker. I was kind of on his side with the Nazi thing cuz while what he did was stupid (INCREDIBLY STUPID) the Wall Street Journal absolutely did a non ethical jurnalizm by trying to say that rather than just making a really stupid and tasteless joke he was an actual Nazi. That was shameful. But now? Like…Jesus Christ dude you’ve got a target on your back so big it’s a wonder you can even carry it. Say what you will about Jontron at least he ducked his head down for a very long while and seems… Read more »
CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

The part about the ESRB had me thinking: have politicians campaigned against YouTube the same way Jack Thompson (and other bastards) did against videogames yet? So far they have tried “anti-piracy” acts (and usually focused on the Internet as a whole); but I don’t remember them exploiting moral panics the same way they did with videogames.

Anton
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Anton

So, in about a week, we’re getting a PewDiePie video about how much he’s matured and how he sees now that word is a BAD (who knew, right?)

In a two weeks he’s going to go on a rant about how everyone is just out to get him because he’s the voice of the generation.

In a month he’s going to top himself and say something even worse, and nothing will have been learned.

Does that about sum up his cycle? Cause I swear this already happened three times already.

Deena
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Deena

For a moment there I thought you were using “top himself” in the British sense of the term, and genuinely felt conflicted.

Anton
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Anton

I’ve never heard that bit of slang, care to enlighten me?

Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

To suicide one’self 🙂

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

Whoa, that’s an unfortunate alignment of idioms.

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000
To be fair, you fuck up once, I can buy it was a mistake and it’s just the evil old media blowing things out of proportions. But this is literally the THIRD time this happens. And sure, the hitpiece thing was the evil old media taking advantage of the situation, but it doesn’t change he fucked up. Now he fucked up AGAIN and there has to be a time to put a stop to this bullshit. In an ideal world he’d be gone before the end of the week, but we live in a world where you can push gambling… Read more »
Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

Lol. The cycle is already in motion, friend. Already in motion….

Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

I’m totally ready for some controversy to distract from the paralysing depression of real life. Bring on the idiots.

JIryn
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JIryn
All Freedom of Speech (at least in the U.S.) means is that you may speak out against the government and the government’s policies without legal repercussion. Even then, the right has provisions, such as you cannot threaten a high ranking official (I.E. the President) and not expect legal issues. It does not mean you can say anything anytime and expect your words to not carry weight or repercussions, nor does it mean we have to listen to someone’s bullshit and not tell them to shut up. Finally, if a private owned entity, such as Facebook, Twitter, or even Jimquisition decide… Read more »
Allan Weallans
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It’s certainly true that private companies can censor and ban material under free speech law, but from what I remember, there’s a problem with common carrier status in the US. If you have common carrier status, you cannot be held liable for what people say on your platform, but you also can’t really intervene in what people say. If you start regulating what people can and can’t say on your platform, then your claim to being a common carrier gets weakened, and suddenly you start to hold liability, more like a publisher than a carrier. Since liability is the last… Read more »
JIryn
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JIryn

Actually, I’ve heard of the common carrier status before and would love to learn more. Going to be looking it up.

I am used to Twitch, who for the longest while would literally censor or remove certain, highly offensive or derogatory words from their chats. Not sure if they still do it, so I am going to double check. I’m referring to racial and sexual orientation slurs. Wouldn’t they also be a common carrier?

My original post was to the fact that Twitter and Facebook can delete posts, and even ban you if they find your comments highly offensive.

JIryn
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JIryn

“Never heard of the common carrier status” no clue where the word never went.

JIryn
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JIryn

From what I can find, Common Carrier refers more to Telecommunications and ISPs than actual websites. Google, and Youtube are still private entities, they are hosting files and can self govern all they like.
Though, if there is a correction to this info pertaining to websites, I would love to see it.

MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow

I’ve believed for a very long time now that people interpret the constitution the way some people interpret the bible. i.e. any way that benefits them.

JIryn
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JIryn

Sad but true!
I’ve literally had a friend tell me that the fact someone blocked them on Facebook is infact a violation of freedom of speech..

Then tried to tell relate it to real life that you can’t just shut someone up in person, so why should you be able to online… The idea of walking away or telling someone to shut up, never occurred to them it seems..

I barely talk to them now a days.

MuddyScarecrow
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MuddyScarecrow

Huh. It seems as if you did the very thing they said you can’t. Funny how that works.

SadOldGuy
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SadOldGuy

Thank you Jim. I know that you have enough on your plate with videogame companies screw ups but here comes YouTube drama to screw up one of our few sources of semi-independent media.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The comments I saw in my twitter feed yesterday. ‘Can we not blow the Pewdiepie situation out of proportion’ ‘It isn’t that big a deal’. The guy as far as I’m aware has history of making racist comments during commentaries, which he’s generally either able to get away with or with a light slap on the wrist. He’s an arsehole.

Still Campo Santo have issued a DMCA for his Firewatch coverage and will also do so for any future games as well.

Seabass
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Seabass
DMCAs are for copyright infringement. Whether you think what Pewdiepie said is a big deal or not, the DMCA is a false takedown based on politics and not actual copyright law. I don’t like that he said what he said, but that’s abuse of YouTube’s systems all the same just because a game creator disagrees with the actions of a content creator. People have done Jim wrong like that plenty of times, I think that aspect of it should at least be discussed instead of ‘oh it’s fine because he’s a racist lol’ Either all DMCA takedowns based on personal… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

They are but my point was a statement of fact regarding what Campo Santo had done in response. Personally, while I agree with the idea behind why they did it at the same it is still a misuse of those systems.

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

According to legal experts this takedown is actually 100% legal like it or not.

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

[Googles Tmartin-or-however-youspell it.]

[His channel has 3 million + subscribers]

WHAT-HOW-WHAT-WHYYYYYYYY.

What do people need, for him to piss on the Pope!?

Anton
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Anton

I think the whole point with fanbases like these is that there is literally no limit, no line that can’t be crossed.

Chris
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One of YouTube’s primary audiences is children, and children don’t know any better. The funny man says funny things about their video game and tells them they can win lots of money and be rich and famous like him for gambling, and it’s only haters and people jealous of him who want to stop him. That’s the logic on display with tmartn, with pewds, with all the worst shit on YouTube, in particular in gaming.

It’s why they need to get their shit together before someone gets mad enough to start legislating this shit.

Nitrium
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VannosGaming, that my 12 year old niece and 10 year old nephew obsessively watch, has 21 million subscribers. The channel basically consists entirely of a group of people swearing, racially slurring and generally harassing people.

Deena
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Deena

When someone shows you who they are, believe them. The fact that Pepe le Pewdz’s first instinct is always to reach for racist or antisemitic humor says enough about how far up his own ass he is.

phantomrachie
Member

in the heat of the moment people don’t have their usual filter on so they use swears or slurs that they either think or use in private all the time as their use is instinctive.

The fact that PewDiePie instinctively uses racial slurs as an insult, says a lot about him. And is indefensible.

Sperium3000
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Sperium3000

Eh, I was going to defend him for the sake of absolute fairness but then I heard about the N-Word thing and I’m like… 3 strikes. You’re out. Fuck that guy.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin

The thing about blurting out insults in anger, is that you typically only use words in your working vocabulary. I call people assholes, fuckers, and sons of bitches when I’m mad, but I use those words anyway. I have never gone to the N-word.

Pew is increasingly showing himself to be a piece of garbage.

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