The Jimquisition: Why Horizon: Zero Dawn‘s Success Is Good No Matter Who You Are

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I realize this will reinforce the “Sony Shill” thing (which is ironic if you’ve known me long enough to remember when I was the “anti-Sony bias Nintendo shill”), but Horizon: Zero Dawn‘s success is worth talking about.

The game’s doing well, and while those who loyally defend plastic machinery might think otherwise, that’s a good thing for everybody. Yes, even if you’re putting all your stock in the Switch.

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Chris Topher
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Don’t let them In!!!

Chris Topher
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Jim literally shares my thoughts and puts them into writing and video. Thank god for jim

Chris Topher
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I tried to argue this issue on reddit jimquisition and was attacked by trolls but I beat them off and promoted Jim’s wisdom of healthy debate and opinion and decency and respect.

Chris Topher
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Hzd has many glaring issues which stop it from being great but it’s still amazing fun!

Chürz
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H:ZD is such a great, GREAT game. It kinda is a shame it’s not on PC.

Nitrium
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In other news: Mass Effect Andromeda is being MetaBombed big time:

http://www(DOT)metacritic(DOT)com/game/pc/mass-effect-andromeda/user-reviews 4.1/10
http://www(DOT)metacritic(DOT)com/game/playstation-4/mass-effect-andromeda 3.8/10
http://www(DOT)metacritic(DOT)com/game/xbox-one/mass-effect-andromeda 3.9/10

Somehow it has the highest rating on PC, who are usually by far the saltiest of the major platforms.

stryker1121
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Really happy to see HZD selling well. It’s a damn good game and deserves the $$$. Hopefully this leads to more new IP with colorful landscapes and someone other than a grunting white beardo as a protag.

Joccaren
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A bit disappointed with this one TBH. I think you need to follow your own advice from last episode – “They did it first isn’t a good excuse”. I feel too much of this was spent slighting Zelda and its fans, and purposefully going out of your way to ignore it and talk up HZD, as a “Get back at the fanboys” sort of move. That’s the sort of thing fanboys do, and I tend to come here to watch someone who isn’t a fanboy trying to pump up or knock down games, and get a bit of a more… Read more »
RipTide
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To be fair, this video was more addressing the controversy around H:ZD’s release where people were saying it was a shit game and only getting attention because SJW, and people that wanted to boycott it because it featured a woman protagonist. The jabs at Zelda are just Jim venting his frustration with people a bit, rather then pointing to this whole thing being about Zelda fans.

Joccaren
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I still feel that makes things overall a bit hypocritical. This is Jim defending a game he likes against unfair criticism from those who don’t like it, and asking his viewers to look beyond their individual like/dislike of it, and the stupid ghost war of console fanboys, to see the good in this game regardless. He then goes on to perpetuate the ghost war and act like a console fanboy, while underplaying the virtues of Zelda as a game – many of which are the same as for HZD – because he doesn’t like the title as much. He does… Read more »
Niall
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I think you’ve missed the point of the piece. There are things that HZD does that bucks the trend so to speak, that we’ve been told video games can’t do If they want to be successful. So it doesn’t have a season pass (as far as I’m aware, Zelda does); it has a female protagonist and isn’t afraid to show it, etc. These aren’t things that make it a better game per se: a game can be great whether you play a man, woman or an elf. It’s just good to see a great game do these things and be… Read more »
Joccaren
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I had another reply here, however for some reason it is gone, so I’ll do the short version of it. Yes, HZD bucks some trends. Looking at Zelda, however, it also matches every other ‘trend bucking’ thing HZD does that Jim talked about, sometimes even better than HZD itself [I.E: Preorder bonuses. Nothing in game, merely physical merchandise]. There are also other games like Neir Automata that do similar things and are similarly quite successful. Why were these only covered in 2 seconds at the end of the video in a list of names, rather than added to the meat… Read more »
Niall
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Everything you say about the new Zelda is no doubt true. But, crucially, none of it is part of the story being told. This is not a “who wore it better” piece between Zelda and HZD. This is a story about a brand new IP that took some chances and still managed to be successful, and—this is the punchline—why that’s good news for the games industry in general, even if you don’t own a Playstation. Even if you love the new Zelda, and hate PS4 with a passion, you should still be happy to see a new AAA IP pushing… Read more »
Joccaren
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And the same should be true in reverse as well; Even if you don’t own a Switch, and don’t like Zelda, you should recognise that it has done much the same as HZD, and praise it for that. What does Jim do? The opposite, for most of the video. Is it only HZD that this applies to? Every other game in existence is fine to ignore its merits if you don’t like it but HZD you have to like? No, I don’t think that’s what Jim is trying to say. However when he himself ignores the merits of other games… Read more »
Joccaren
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Yet when also talking about lack of Microtransactions, Day 1 DLC, Pre-order bonuses [Which Zelda trumps even HZD in, doing merely physical merchandise as bonuses rather than withholding any in game content]… Yes, Zelda does have some minor Amiibo fluff that can be gained, however to echo Jim in relation to HZD; Its equipment that is outclassed by easily obtainable equipment in the game, so its kind of hard to criticise it much for that, and its especially obvious that its there only as references to the series and easter eggs for those who enjoyed the games rather than anything… Read more »
Martin Birch
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I’ve noticed you using images from The Ancestral Trail a couple of times on The Jimquisition recently and every time it makes my heart skip a beat. I was totally obsessed with it as a kid but had not though about it for years.
Think I may still have it in my parent’s attic somewhere.. I need a trip back soon to see if I can dig it out.

Kev' Bryant
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Ditto. Although mine has been lost to time!

Remember after the last issue (25?) they went into the future?

Martin Birch
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Yeah, I had all of the future ones as well, though it wasn’t quite as good from what I remember… the series as a whole totally rocked though.

Terry Osaurusies XI
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The amount I agree with you on those sinister “sjw” topics is probably cause for concern (at least among those who find concern in other people’s empathy), so the spoken passion is very much relieving to hear, as it seems too many are afraid of addressing simple issues head on with self-awareness and humour. The backlash we experience online is more like growing pains of a begrudging part of society with varying levels of intellect and selfishness. Anyhow, always appreciated. (Huh…A triple A alliteration? Too many “A”s for fuck sake stop “A”ing publicly terriosaurus, they might hear!)

GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone
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GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone
Okay I’ve checked, on Jim Sterling’s channel, only 20 videos he’s done are available in restricted mode, none of which are the Jimqusistion: 1. JESTER’S QUEST – Save The Kingdom For Half A Princess 2. Electronic Boglins From The Future Year 2000 (Boglinwatch 2017) 3. SUPER DUNGEON BROS. – Hack n’ Axl n’ Slash 4. PASSPARTOUT – Painting Puppet People 5. PAC MAN CHAMPIONSHIP EDITION 2 – I Don’t Have A Subtitle 6. ZOO KEEPER OR SO LONG SPACE ROBOT – Trying A Bit Too Hard 7. PIXEL MINI GAME HUB – Brought To You By EZVid8. JURASSIC ISLAND: THE… Read more »
Artemiy
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Thanks for your service, concerned citizen!
To be fair, Jim isn’t exactly being children-safe when it comes to cursewords. Or occasional pics of dick costumes.

Kev' Bryant
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My four month old daughter finds the podcasts soothing.

But then again, she does look a bit like Jim.

anomalous material
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Or waving a giant purple dong on a stick around…

Artemiy
Guest

Yeah, that too.

iThinkMyCatIsAFlea
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I blinking love It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia!

That Horizon Zero Dawn gameplay looks quite boring. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Roll. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Crouch. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow. Fire bow.

Andrew Christianson
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Super Mario: Run, Jump, Run, Jump, Run, Jump, SHOOT FIREBALLS, Run, Jump, Run, Jump, Run, Jump, INVINCIBLE, Run, Jump

Maybe Not a Robot
Guest

Trust me it’s not this simple.

stryker1121
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Fighting humans is indeed quite dull, but the robot battles haven’t gotten old for me and I’m 40 some odd hours in. Plus there’s multiple weapon options available to take down robots.

Terry Osaurusies XI
Member

We could play this deductive game with any darling…err, game;
Dark souls: slash, dodge, fall off building, slash, roll, kill, fall off precipice, attack, kill, dodge…*yawn* boring.

Enter the gungeon: shoot shoot shoot, dodge, open door, shoot, new weapon, shoot more, dodge, fall into hole…*yawn* so boring.

Witcher 3: talk, waffle, talk, stab, dodge, stab, sarcastic waffle…*yawn* seen it all before. Not interested.

I could go on like this all day if you like…

Kev' Bryant
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You missed “bone” off of The Witcher list.

Terry Osaurusies XI
Member

Was legitimately considering it, but the activity never happened in my playthrough so didn’t want to sound inauthentic :/

FireroseNekowolf
Member

How about Shadow Warrior?

Slice, slice, slice, switch weapon, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, wang joke, switch weapon, slice, slice…

Edit: Civilization against India.

Get nuked, get nuked, get nuked, get nuked, next turn…

Terry Osaurusies XI
Member

Die from fall damage glitch by dodging forwards on ground sloping downwards. Wait, that’s not very snappy, is it?

iThinkMyCatIsAFlea
Guest

Wang joke 🙂

Artemiy
Guest

Oh God. Imagine what Crypt of the Necrodancer deconstruction would look like…

iThinkMyCatIsAFlea
Guest

Please do. Do Portal next!

Terry Osaurusies XI
Member

Hey! I never offered requests! Anyhow, the title of the game does the job for me 😉

Gorantharon
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Open portal, jump, close portal, open portal, jump, close portal, open portal, jump, close portal, open portal, miss jump, restart level, repeat…

stryker1121
Guest

GOD HOW BORING!

Gorantharon
Guest

That BotW gameplay looks quite boring, weapon breaks, select weapon, weapon breaks, select weapon, weapon breaks, select weapon, inventory empty, backtrack to farm good weapons again and make no progress.

Artemiy
Guest

That DOOM gameplay looks quite boring. Fire gun. Fire gun. Break a demon’s back. Fire gun…

iThinkMyCatIsAFlea
Guest

Yeah, I was thinking that. We need more examples!

Kev' Bryant
Guest

Shower with your dad simulator: wrong dad, wrong dad, wrong dad, wrong dad, wrong dad….

GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone
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GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

Speaking of YouTube’s restrictive mode debacle, has anyone checked to see how many of Jim’s videos are restricted in that mode?

ThinkingClass
Guest

Just watched the first episode of skeleton warriors.
Jim, I was wondering, why are they a euphemism for the C word? I was hoping to discover some subtle adult jokes in the 13 episode tour-de-force of bone breaking adventure but nothing so far. To save me from further seizure inducing episodes could you enlighten me?

yours faithfully
A Nobody.

Artemiy
Guest

I’m somewhat surprised that Jim didn’t talk about the EA facial animator being harassed or the newest LGBTQ YouTube debacle.

anomalous material
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Could be in a post launch episode?

Artemiy
Guest

Maybe… Though I personally don’t think Jim should wait until after launch to report and condone harassment.

Денис Фролов
Member

Hey, that’s what you get for either being incompetent at job given, or lying about your position.

GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone
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GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

Neither of those things are true… she didn’t lie about her position (the original blog post at Ralph Retort did that) and she wasn’t incompetent at her job given the facial animations were not the work of one person and her job and wasn’t the lead.

Artemiy
Guest

Dude, really? Some of the comments were just vile. It’s one thing to criticize a person’s work and pretty much another to say “I’m gunna stick my dick in ya”.

GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone
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GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

And then there were the death threats and the accusations she slept her way into getting her job…

Because apparently gamers nowadays can’t be constructive anymore and thinking blaming one woman is a good idea.

Денис Фролов
Member

That’s internet. We can call it wrong all the time, but it will happen anyway. What did she expect when she told she was lead facial animator (which may be a lie to begin with)? Free glory ride?

Andrew Christianson
Guest

That’s the attitude! This is how you change the world!

RipTide
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Yes that’s the internet. Takes a lie and runs with it, without fact checking, to insult and send death threats to a single person for a thing they weren’t at fault for.

Just because that is how things are doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to change it.

Sacha Salvatore Morgese
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Sacha Salvatore Morgese

That’s the internet == it’s okay on the internet.

It isn’t, we have to fight against this kind of bullshit or more people will think it’s okay to act this way.

Artemiy
Guest

Dude, no. Just because “that’s the Internet” we shouldn’t be silent about this behavior. It’s sick and disgusting.

Stelios Markios
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It’s always good to see new IP, even more so when it delivers and builds strong foundations for the future. I must say, the lore and world building in HZD has a lot of potential for expansion and I believe that the second game, which will inevitably come, has so much to build upon that might end up easily a masterpiece. Or a complete failure. Sequels are tricky.

Bashtarle
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They definitely left themselves both room for not only compelling expansion DLC but also for full blown sequels. Without leaving you feeling that they carved out huge sections of the game to do either.

Graham Maddeaux
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I love this whole go out of your way at every opportunity to try to rile up Breath of The Wild fans and advocates but throw your arms up any time they hit back a little and try to be all “What who me? We’re talking about the worst behaved fans in the world here blalblabla….” Like what you don’t think if you keep metaphorically poking specifically at the same group of people with a stick at every opportunity they might possibly get a little annoyed and take a swipe or two back at you even just to say “look… Read more »
Otherhand
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He has committed to a position on it. BOTW is a game he really likes, but didn’t feel it was deserving of a top score. The sly juxtaposition of “some that I hate” with the Link image was a joke about how all-or-nothing that portion of the Nintendo crowd is being. It doesn’t mean he’s sitting on the fence or failing to commit. It’s not “one minute I’ll say I like it, the next I’ll say I hate it”. The permanent truth is “I like this game but aspects of it could easily have been improved”, which other people are… Read more »
Forrest Kayssen
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I see it more as him acknowledging certain points that will be used against him in this huge “Us vs him” thing the Zelda fanatics will try to use against him.

And why shouldn’t he poke back at those guys? It’s harmless words. He’s not doxxing them, DDoSing their sites, sending them death threats, flooding their comments sections with abuse, e.t.c, e.t.c.

Johnny Bigbones
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That shit is all in your head mate. He just really liked Horizon Zero Dawn and only liked Breath of the Wild, mostly due to an obnoxious weapon durability system. The drama only comes from childish Zelda fans who can’t cope with that.

Peter Dale
Guest

Nice use of some Comix Zone music during the Life Hack. Now I wanna go and punch me some mutants.

LatePocketwatch
Guest

Reboot for 28 Days Later.

A Zelda game comes out with a female Link whose critical acclaim is surpassed by another closely released console exclusive female lead game. It will make Crossed look like it’s​ under the Comics Code.

Maxx Kilbride
Guest

Better yet. Female Link game surpasses BoTW / OoT @ 99-100 score.

Nintendo fans…would implode.

Chürz
Guest

Fuck Nintendo, fuck Zelda and fuck the Switch. Still, Breath of the Wild is a good game. But, Nintendo zealots? They’re assholes, however you look at it. Fuck them.

Mostafa Shahin
Guest

So a game,company,etc should be hated due to their fans and not their own thing? Like,I get hating the game,but hating the game because of something outside the games control is just stupid. Undertale would have been ine of the worst games of its year if that’s how we judge games.

Shane O'Shaughnessy
Guest

Wonderful discussion, Jim! I can’t recall the last time I was so in love with a game. Horizon is so fucking awesome! I was actually super happy to hear that additional content is in the works, even though I agree with your grudge against DLC and season passes for the most part.

Regless Unkown
Guest

I’m glad jim included talking about variety after diversity. I agree completely. I don’t really like PC culture, and yet there’s been years when I’ve so many of the same generic white solider protagonist types it’s killed my interest in some games. And the games didn’t even look bad otherwise. Some of them looked pretty damn good. It was just kinda felt like… really…? again…? Haven’t I seen this like six times already this year? Variety is the spice of life!

Kev' Bryant
Guest

That was how I felt seeing The Surge. Modern games really have no excuse to not have a choice of gender for the protagonist, at the least.

ccameron sprague
Guest

Except for when they want to actually create a genuine and believable character and not a hollow shell of one like the majority of the bioware main characters.

Steve Jakab
Guest

I’m glad to see Mr Sterling use the word “myriad” correctly.

Gennadios
Guest

Jim, start a concurrent life hack Patreon. This shit’s gold.

Octopus Grift
Member

LIFE HACK: Have a Pateron? Get a second one, double your money!

Cerebralbore101
Guest

Jim is so right about how good this year has turned out so far. Yakuza, RE7, Nioh, Nier, Persona 5, BotW and Horizon all within the first 4 months? My wallet hurts. It hurts so bad.

Regless Unkown
Guest

yeah that’s like a year’s worth of happiness rapid-fired at my face. I was actually gonna skip horizon just to the sheer volume of quality content coming out. But after watching a couple let’s players and turning my couch inside out then burning it to pay the heating bill i decided yeah i need that as well.

Kev' Bryant
Guest

That’s what she said.

Shane O'Shaughnessy
Guest

Good man!

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