The Jimquisition: Why Horizon: Zero Dawn‘s Success Is Good No Matter Who You Are

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I realize this will reinforce the “Sony Shill” thing (which is ironic if you’ve known me long enough to remember when I was the “anti-Sony bias Nintendo shill”), but Horizon: Zero Dawn‘s success is worth talking about.

The game’s doing well, and while those who loyally defend plastic machinery might think otherwise, that’s a good thing for everybody. Yes, even if you’re putting all your stock in the Switch.

TheMagicLemur
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TheMagicLemur

“Jim is a shill for [X company] and wants to destroy [any company that’s not Konami because let’s face it Jim would beat Konami to death with a shovel if he could]”
This is a statement espoused by idiots.

For the record I think Horizon is only a bit above mediocre, 6.5-7 out of 10 in my estimation. Still happy to see it do well.

Malidictus
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Jim, something seems to be wrong with your gamma and colour contrast in the game footage – it looks AWFUL, and I don’t think the game is supposed to look like that. You have almost nothing for dynamic range, with either overbright colours trending to white or exceptionally dark colours blending together into brown. You also don’t have much of a key (i.e. pure black) in the footage, either, which makes a game you claim to be colourful instead look washed-out, dark and hard to see. What’s up with that? As to Horizon, Zero Dawn itself, I have no issues… Read more »
TheMagicLemur
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TheMagicLemur

Frankly I think Far Cry Primal has a more compelling story.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I thought Primal sucked major ass. It felt very much like an expansion stretched out into a full priced game.

Malidictus
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Malidictus

That I can’t play, having never played the game. This is a personal thing, but “picking flowers” is one of the things I avoid games over. I don’t have the patience for games with crafting and inventory management any more. The story of Horizon – from what I’ve seen of it online – seems a little too Ferngully for my liking, though. Again – I speak from not having played the game, so take that for what it’s worth.

Danny DeMent
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Believe me when I say: it’s not. Not at all.

Danny DeMent
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Well is it really practical or fair to expect a console maker to make a game using solely their resources and employees and then put it out on every other system?

I get wanting to play games, but I’m also a believer in intellectual property rights.

Peter Quint
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Peter Quint
I’m a fan of yours, Jim, big fan, but I disagree with a lot of what goes under the “social justice” banner. I dislike the tribalism, the limits on human sympathy that identity politics as assumes (“as a white man you can NEVER BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND…”), the way it is used as a tool of denunciation and through that a dishonest means to power, it’s distaste for male sexuality. Still, I don’t freak out about it. There are calm people who have points they consider valid to make against how the social justice movement appears in this internet age. I… Read more »
Nuserame
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Nuserame

Le Gasp! A healthy middle ground, thoughtful nuance and consideration for both sides of the argument?

You can’t do that on the internet!

Benj
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Benj

So you hate the nutcases and strawmen/ strawladies/ strawgenderfluids etc but still think there are well-meaning and insightful people who argue for opinions that are often considered to be social justice.

I don’t get why people think this is an unusual position to be in. Isn’t this basically everyone?

Nobody's Fanboy
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Nobody's Fanboy
This is exactly what I mean whenever I talk about ‘controlling the conversation’. The nutcases are so loud and so visible that everyone else is convinced they’re the ones in the minority…doubly so once you figure in that the nutcases are quick to straight-on attack anyone that isn’t as nuts as they are, rather than welcoming someone who isn’t their “enemy”. It’s also why I’m loath to use the term ‘SJW’ outside the specific context of the nutcases using social causes to “justify” their specific brand of hatred and abuse…without the W, without being a toxic, hateful little troll, it’s… Read more »
Benj
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Benj
I think there are people on both sides who resent that these kinds of questions (like “is this ok?”; “is this a problem?”; “Am I/others making unfair assumptions”) are still being asked. This is either because they think any level of inequality or conflict is insufferable and rage-inducing or because they think everything is basically ok as it is and people are making mountains out of mole hills. Debates like this will never end (and should never end) and I’m ok with this because I actually quite enjoy these discussions. Plus I feel no obligation to care when people of… Read more »
Peter Quint
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Peter Quint

The “warrior” in SJW is a dig at the bellicose people who don’t seem to offer any of the positives that equality might bring, they’re not trying to show you a dream of something better, but rather just want the power of denunciation, the power to shut you down by accusations and insults.

One of the things I liked about this Jimquisition was Jim taking the time to show the positives that can arise from having a greater variety of games.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I think SJW is a stupid fucking term that should not be used if you want people to take you seriously.

Wolfie
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Wolfie
Here’s the problem I have with what you say. Perhaps I’m mistaken, but it comes across that you’re saying “social justice” is something inherently bad, same thing with “identity politics.” And this is just also a more general statement as I’ve seen these arguments a lot. But people don’t really know what that means anymore. It’s a lot like “feminism,” it’s turned from something with meaning to a fearful buzzword that only means “the other.” Take, for example, “as a white man, you can never begin to understand.” It’s not saying you can’t be sympathetic. it’s that you don’t get… Read more »
TheMagicLemur
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TheMagicLemur

Tribalism inevitably destroys all human cultures.

Which is why I’m such a big booster of transhumanism; only way for humanity to survive is to stop being human.

Peter Quint
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Peter Quint
Like it. In the explanations I come up with in my head (so untested, probably bullshit) I feel the genetic hertitage of tribes and social heirarchies, the way you see other social animals act, seem to hold us back as well as allow cooperation. The group dynamics humans have are often, in my experience, totally fucked. The obsession with power. The need of individuals and groups to dominate others, impose their will, is what drives so much of how the world works. If you look at any action movie it’s normally a journey from having no power and being dominated… Read more »
Benj
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Benj
I think there’s really just one problem with millions of different variations. People come up with an excuse for not caring about someone else’s welfare and use this as a moral justification to satisfy their natural human bloodlust. Whether that’s because they’re gay, Jewish, Black, Muslim, female, male, elderly, fat, Trans, rich, poor, disabled, mentally ill, a Trump supporter, a homophobe, a racist, a convicted felon, a drug addict or a child abuser. All of these people have feelings that matter even if some of them have made bad decisions or caused harm to others but all of them should… Read more »
Wolfie
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Wolfie
Mmhm, and I’ll be honest. I know how I act. Sometimes, I do like acting like a total [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫]. There are just some fucking people where I feel better acting that way towards them. *coughgamergatecough* However, I know a few things, too. One, I’m not a role model, and I’m not one for outreach to convince people to change their mind. I am not that person. Two, not all of them are terrible people. This whole Jontron thing? I don’t think he’s racist, just another sad case of someone who takes Fox News too seriously. And three, I would… Read more »
Benj
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Benj
I hope I didn’t give the impression I was talking about you specifically, I was talking in general terms about the attitude I try to adopt. I’m generally quite good at staying detached with things like this but it’s something that I’ve learned to do over quite a long time scale (plus I’ve actually had formal training in it as part of the voluntary work I do) You can’t change a lot of people’s minds and in those cases I think it’s better say nothing at all… unless you can think of something funny. I think the fact that you’re… Read more »
Wolfie
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Wolfie

Oh yeah, I know, I just wanted to say it to put it out there. Thank you though.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I don’t know if Jon is racist or not, but I do know that some Iranians like him consider themselves superior to all other races.

ccameron sprague
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ccameron sprague

Your tone deafness is hilarious

darksteel6
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darksteel6

your incredible stupidity is hilarious, it’s true, look it up fuckhead.

Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

At a certain stage though, what is the difference between ‘not being a racist but saying racist things’ and ‘being a racist’

Either way more people have been exposed to racist sentiment that they might believe and use to harm others.

We can only judge a person by what they say and their actions.

I get that it is hard to hear someone who you might like or respect say somthing terrible but you can’t help them by making excuses.

Wolfie
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Wolfie
I think it’s when they say things that are not… how to put it. Mainstream, I guess? Like, from what I’ve heard, he seems to basically fall into using mainstream talking points that you hear among the right-wing. The kind of stuff you’ll hear among their more prominent media. I think it’s when they say things that are not reflective of that do you then have to suspect they’re actually racist, because it has to come from somewhere, and if it’s not from widely-consumed media, then… yeah. That’s why I don’t think he may necessarily be racist at heart. Of… Read more »
Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh
That might be true, I mean, I get that many of his ideas are the same as spouted by racist & bigoted news organizations BUT it ultimately doesn’t matter if he considers himself a racist or if he even believes what he said, someone who watches his videos will believe it and it will affect their outlook on minorities and the poor. I think at a certain point it’s splitting hairs to say that someone is not a racist but says racist things. If a person holds racist or bigoted views, then they are a racist or a bigot even… Read more »
CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

I was thinking about that this afternoon. Thinking about how a vocal minority use “privileged white male” to poison the well and end the chance of dialogue in similar way than the other side misuses their own terminology to shut down the conversation (the “I am right because you are X”), and wondering what have been its actual effects.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

it’s not poisoning the well though, it’s just true.

Peter Quint
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Peter Quint

I’ve read your replies and you seem very much to be a simple “I am right, you are wrong” person.

It’s been a good discussion this but dogmatic people are the enemy of free thought, and I’m afraid you are being very dogmatic.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

You’re the only person I see being “dogmatic” here.

ccameron sprague
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ccameron sprague

Then you’re being intentionally ignorant or you’re so blinded by your bias you are literally incapable of not seeing things from your point of view.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I’m not ignorant, if anyone is and has “bias” it’s you, you dumb cocksucker, your incapable of seeing how wrong you are.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Before they attempted to change their identity, it was much worse. Their old username was downright offensive in their stubbornness at times.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Depends on the context. Even truths can be weaponized.

TheMagicLemur
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TheMagicLemur
I mean, as a white man you CAN’T understand what minorities go through. You can sympathize; you can say “that’s not ok”, but you can’t understand it because the insidious part of white & male privilege is that they’re both something of a passive buff. I’ve talked to black people with perfect driving records who are terrified of driving in my podunk town because the cops follow them and pull them over frequently. I’ve talked to Arabs (and a sizeable portion of Indian and Pakistani) immigrants who are scared that someone’s going to come where they work and just shoot… Read more »
Wolfie
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Wolfie

To be honest, I’m actually kind of relieved that my fiancee is Indonesian. Because you don’t hear about people shooting up Chinese people.

And it’s fucking sad that I have to say that, and yet still be concerned about it at the same time, because you just never know.

Peter Quint
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Peter Quint

Here’s one argument, not sure if it holds but I’m interested to see where it goes.

If you can never understand all these other tribes of people who differ from you in sex, gender, class, race, then how is great fiction possible?

Are all the insights of great authors, men and women, into the other sex just bullshit. Shakespeare and George Elliot, hopelessly trapped in their prison of understanding, writing nonsense about female and male characters whose sex doesn’t match their own?

Wolfie
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Wolfie
In a way, yeah, they are bullshitting, but not in the way you’re implying. Again, it’s a matter of understanding the concept. To use the rape example again, I don’t know what it’s like to go through something like that, but I can -imagine- it thanks to relating previous experiences I had to fill in the gaps as well as trying to understand what they go through. It’s not that you cannot sympathize, or that you cannot understand, at all, it’s that you don’t have the experience of it. You can relate through similar feelings that they describe, but relating… Read more »
Peter Quint
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Peter Quint
But that’s what every human does to understand every other human. You can never really know what it’s like to be anyone else, regardless of the tribe of race, gender, etc. I don’t think that every male character written by a female author is false or ridiculous. Women can see into the souls of men and vice versa by using imagination and the fundamental understanding of what it is like simply to be a human. Identity politics denies what is possible for people. It limits humans in a way that doesn’t ring true with what I know and have read… Read more »
Wolfie
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Wolfie
Yes, but again, you haven’t actually experienced any of it. Let me put it this way: how many times have you been pulled over by cops when you did nothing wrong? How many members of your family have been threatened, or have been, deported? How many times have you been called a terrorist? See, I think the danger here is we -think- we know, when we try to invalidate the idea of identity politics. However, we just don’t. It’s not that it’s limiting because we’re people, that’s not the point of it. It’s that you don’t have to experience the… Read more »
OctopussGrift
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I think what people actually mean in most cases when they say that one group can’t understand another is that other people don’t have the right to define your experiences. If I tell you that you didn’t experience something you experienced I would be wrong because you experienced it. Women sometimes are told by people who claim to understand them that their experience of feeling objectified or uncomfortable is wrong. “He wasn’t being objectifying you by catcalling you should feel flattered by his interest” I have heard people say this to women who were catcalled and felt objectified and threatened.… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Aziz Ansari did a show (a series, not a special) on Netflix that perfectly encapsulated the male/female dichotomy. This retelling may be completely wrong. He and Eric Wareheim are at a club with a female friend whose name escapes me, and they all leave. As the woman leaves a man buys her a drink, and flirts uncomfortably. (It then does quick cuts of their walks home.) Aziz steps in some gum and messes up his shoes, he complains. The woman hears something behind her and starts to walk faster. Aziz spills a drink on his shirt or something, starts going… Read more »
Lies That Bind
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Lies That Bind

Master of none?

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Yes, probably. A good comedy show that wasn’t up its own ass about how funny it was.

Nuserame
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Nuserame
I find the entire attitude of reducing individuals to race/gender to be a pointless affair, only suited for fuelling division and hate. A person has a whole lot more to them then their colour and the content of their pants. They can be from a poor and/or dysfunctional family, from a poor general area. They can be ugly, prone to obesity, or just posses no talent for social skills. The list of things that can disadvantage someone is pretty damn long. Shouting to someone on the internet that ‘you are white and male so you can’t know…’ while they can… Read more »
George
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George
I agree with and would go further. I think what you are describing is the the major downfall of Intersectionality as an academic concept. To stick with your example: the female lawyer from an intersectional perspective is always disadvantaged due to her gender. The problem with that is that in terms of real world day to day life she isn’t in any real way disadvantaged. Where as the poor dude from Belfast is always advantaged due to his whiteness, even though in real world terms he isn’t. This kind of intersectional privilege thought…in my view it’s a bane on activism… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

There’s a tough balancing act between acknowledging the statistical “facts of life” (in that, some demographics have an advantage over others), and realizing that every person and every person’s context in life is different. Unfortunately, that balanced view is hard to understand and needs to be re-interpreted per every individual case, while most people – especially on the polar extreme opposites of the argument – would rather just jump to conclusions and attack.

George
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George
In general it kind of goes along with the trend of increased partisanship that we are seeing all over the world which is very concerning in and of itself. But, I would actually argue intersectional thought (including the concept of “privilege”) by the nature of the way the argument is constructed is incapable of allowing the analysis that you suggest. In an ironic sort of way it is too inflexable and reduces us all to our, race or our sexual orientation or our genitals or some kind of combination of the above and very worryingly excludes virtually any focus on… Read more »
Anton
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Anton
Fair point, though I would argue that terms like privilege have some use; they can be used to describe population trends (white men make more than black women), and to explain a fairly large amount of individual incidents (like Brock Turner getting away with proven rape, because the piece of shit is a rich white boy). The problem is, in my mind, that “privilege” mindset gets applied to EVERY case, even when it does not belong. Once that happens, it becomes a tool to try and deprive the “privileged” of their voices by default, regardless of what they have to… Read more »
George
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George
That is also a very good point. The “over application” of the privilege argument is an interesting idea. I would concede that in terms group trends applying terms like privilege would have some use. But…I would say that using privilege to any individual case would be misguided. As you said it has an opposite effect in that it enrages the “privileged” many of whom in terms of real world measures are not “privileged” and take exception to being called as such. As for the Brock Turner case, I found that the conversation became more about “the evidence of white privilege”… Read more »
Anton
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Anton
Well, here’s the thing, I actually don’t see the Brock Turner trial as a case of applying a macro view to an individual. In my mind, the legal situation that Brock found himself in weighed very heavily against him; so much so, that (to me) it’s not unreasonable to say that he got off with a slap on the wrist only because he is rich and white. I can honestly promise that I do not believe in the slightest that a less well-off man, or a man of black/hispanic origins, would have gotten nearly as much leniency in this particular… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

there was more then enough evidence, the problem is some judges view rape cases as being the fault of the women, we saw that happen with Steubenville.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

privileged assholes like Turner will be enraged no matter what, might as well tell the truth.

Nuserame
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Nuserame

Good point on the overuse of “privilege”, though I would wager that overall Brock Turner has plenty of privilege. Only more for being rich than for being white.

The most glaring cases are mostly the one where all the accuser of ‘privilege’ looks at is race and gender, whereas those are only two in a whole myriad of factors that determine whether or not you get a head start in life.

Those cases are what people mean when they say that the whole ‘SJW trend’ reeks of tribalism and division.

Wolfie
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Wolfie
Though I think the “increased partisanship” actually has a lot to do with American politics. Love it or hate it, let’s be honest – America is incredibly influential, and what it does shapes the world. And in the US, everything has moved right-ward, even the Democrat party. It went from the party of FDR to the party of Bill Clilnton. It went from a leftist party to a centrist neoliberal party. And in doing so, it has begun to lose ground as well as sacrificing leftist values. I mean, do you think the failure of the financial industry would have… Read more »
George
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George
Move to Canada! We have 3 main parties. A left wing, A right wing, and (what claims to be) a centre wing. And you never have to worry about electing a president since we have a monarchy/ Viceroy nor worry about the executive using it’s power…unless there is some kind of crisis… but that’s only happened 2 times in Canadian history. But on a more serious note, I think a lot of the hyper partizan ship is from the average person thinking, quite rightly, that they have impact on their respective democracy. Weather it’s the EU parliament, or The American… Read more »
Wolfie
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Wolfie
Actually, I think it’s quite the opposite in the States! It’s the idea that we don’t have any impact at all! You look at our polling numbers… literally, the number of people who vote, I mean, and they’re atrocious. The number that’s been thrown around for the 2016 Presidential was 55% of eligible voters. Barely more than half the country. And I’m willing to bet that if you asked those who didn’t, you’d see a lot of them being like “my vote doesn’t matter,” or “politics doesn’t matter, it’s all the same,” or something like that. That we’re so polarized… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

Does not seem like the democrats lose any more then the repubs, it’s been a balancing act for several decades.

Hell that homophobic asshole Pat McCrory lost the election and that racist piece of shit Joe Arpaio is finally gone from Maricopa County in Arizona.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

They’ve won some races, sure, but they’re at a net loss overall. They’ve been losing Congressional seats since Bill Clinton and their control of governorships has been especially dramatic.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

But the republicans were at a net loss in 2008, so I predict that things will swing back to the left in a few years.

Jon Ossof actually has a good chance of winning.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

But Republicans have held majority control of the House since then. And even when the Democrats had their so-called “super-majority,” they, quite frankly, dropped the ball with health care reform by first starting off lowballing it, then didn’t fight hard enough favoring never-ending “compromises” that watered it down further, then even when they decided to go it alone, they struggled to get the votes because of Blue Dog Democrats.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

They also held the majority decades ago for a long time, point is these things go back and forth.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I disagree there, I don’t think the left has sacrificed any of it’s leftist values(Except for a select few republicans-in-democrats clothing)

I wouldn’t say the left is “incredibly weak” at all, the tide is turning pretty sharply against the right now that it’s become apparent that Trump is a puppet of Russia(which the FBI is actively investigating right now)

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Except the Democrats have become even more unfavorable ever since they starting talking almost exclusively about Russia. Cause people don’t care about Russia, they want economic policy. They want jobs. And the Democrat’s response has been silence, and before then, Clinton’s response was TPP.

I don’t much like bringing a site like Huffington Post into it, but… well, I mean, if even they’re showing it, that’s pretty bad.
http://tinyurl (dot) com/kypeccr

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I’ve seen no evidence of them becoming unfavortable, plenty of people DO care about Russia, especially now that it’s revealed that they did have involvement in Trump’s campaign.

No the democrats have not been silent on jobs, that’s just plain false.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

If anything they’ve been viewed more favorably, not less, especially that they’ve been proven right by the FBI(Trump sure as hell ain’t bringing any jobs back) and i’m sure you’ve seen the viral photo of that one guy who said he regretted voting for Trump.

Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown
Except for the fact that the party spent the last eight years cozying up to wall street and abandoning any attempts to combat income inequality and poverty. That’s part, albeit not all, of the reason that state by state democrats have seen their control of state and local government dismantled while they ride high on Obama. And why they convinced themselves the second least likable candidate in recent memory who was far too close to wall street and not nearly charismatic enough to make up for it had a chance. I held my nose and voted for her, but it… Read more »
darksteel6
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They did not completely abandon all attempts, I would also strongly disagree on Clinton, I personally did not find her the least bit unlikable, I voted for her and I do not regret it one bit. She only lost because of Russian hackers(and racist voter ID laws) if you ask me(don’t be surprised if the FBI’s current investigation provides concrete evidence of just that). I would personally not say it’s the weakest they’ve been, Trump is imploding right now as he’s currently under investigation, he’s like Nixon on steroids at this point, and his new health care plan has been… Read more »
Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown
And what happens then? Mike Pence is president, still with majorities in both houses, with a friendly supreme court and overwhelming majorities in state legislatures and governor’s mansions to enact his agenda. Trump being weak doesn’t mean democrats are strong by any means. The fact that after he was elected and already ‘imoloding’ democrats still managed to fall to show up for Senate run offs in Louisiana and for early primaries for local elections in LA shows that the main problem still exists. Leftists are great at angrily yelling on the internet and at sharing videos on YouTube, less so… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6
It’s surprisingly easy to hack voting machines though:http://www(DOT)politico(DOT)com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144 Being all doom and gloom won’t do anything. I think democrats are plenty strong, you don’t know for sure that they are destined to drift towards the center, there’s no real way to prove that. You saw Hilary was a bad candidate like that’s an indisputable fact, which it absolutely is not just because you personally do not like her, plenty of people did like her Democrats are most certainly not sticking their heads in the sand and pretending nothing is wrong, but i’m not so sure Trump would not have won… Read more »
Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown
I say she was bad because her favorable rating was historically low, only barely higher than Trump’s. And she was a bad candidate because she lost, she under performed in States that she didn’t visit often enough and didn’t invest enough in. She ran a bad campaign, and no amount of Russian email hacking made her decide to spend more time in southern states she was almost always going to lose than in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan where less than a hundred thousand more votes turned out in each state would have won her the election. That may be hind… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

I do not think she ran a bad campaign.

With Trump being investigated for basically what amounts to treason, i’m not ruling anything out at this point.

Russia may not entirely be to blame, but pretending they played no part at all is foolish in itself.

You really shouldn’t generalize liberals like that.

Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown
She ran a losing campaign, clearly she made some mistakes. She ran a worse campaign than Obama, she got a lower share of the vote overall and underperformed him in a lot of groups. Whatever else you believe, that’s a fact, either she was less likable or popular than him or she did a worse job selling herself. The party made a lot of mistakes as well, as I said I’m immensely glad that we have a new chair and can hopefully start to rebuild. But if the party simply declares ‘we did nothing wrong, everything is the Russians’ they… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6
But she won the popular vote, it’s a shame that she only lost because we’re still stuck with the woefully outdated electoral college(Which was originally formed because of slavery). They have not lost every election though and clearly they’re not all letting republicans rip the country apart, if that was true then Andy Pudzer would be in the cabinet now. I don’t see turnout being a problem in the future, if anything good comes out of this election, it’s that it seems to have really woken people up. There are some truly bad democrats like Steven Lynch, who is basically… Read more »
Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown
It’s fine to be optimistic and hope for change, but it’s better to actually go out and do something about it. But don’t try to deny that this has been the party’s problem for ten years now. They got complacent, especially under Obama. The Republicans have pulled a lot of dirty tricks with voter ID laws and gerrymandering, yes. But we’ve let them, we haven’t done anything to fight back. And winning the popular vote isn’t enough. We need to make progress in states that she lost in. And we need to be fighting at all levels, not just worrying… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

We’ve actually done quite a bit to fight back, saying we’ve done nothing is quite inaccurate.

We’re a long way off from a dystopian nightmare, giving into despair is exactly what Mango Mussolini(thanks to Linkara for coming up with that name) wants so that people don’t try and stop him, well I refuse to do nothing but complain.

I’ve plenty involved for years, being a member of Daily Kos will do that to you, there’s no way I can’t stay engaged with reading their stories and articles every day.

Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown
People are doing things now, they weren’t before. That’s why I say people on the left got complacent. And again, they didn’t turn out to vote the first two chances they got after the election was over. Will they in the future? If you chose to be optimistic about that that’s fine, I don’t share that optimism. I think that showing up to protests and reading articles online are one thing, actually getting involved and organizing and meeting in person and working towards goals that take a long time is another. Is it impossible? Not at all, my point is… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

I’ve certainly not been sitting passively, i’ve been writing letters to politicians.

Not everyone on the left got complacent, some did, but not all.

Being all doom and gloom about everything is not what i’d call being prepared, it’s what i’d call being overly negative, it’s not going to solve anything and it’s certainly not productive.

Chris Schwartz-Brown
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Chris Schwartz-Brown

It’s not productive to sit around hoping that Trump is going to be impeached by his own party either. Or blaming all of our losses on the Russians, the Russians haven’t rigged all those Congressional elections and state and local raises we botched and people didn’t show up to vote in.

That’s not being ‘overly negative’, it’s being a realist and acknowledging the challenges ahead.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

not blaming all losses on them, but they definitely helped, so we can’t just pretend they had no impact at all, especially not in light of Flynn’s resignation and the current investigation.

There’s more to being a realist then being negative about everything all the time.

Gaealiege
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Gaealiege

That new chair is just as much of a corporatist as Clinton herself.

Selecting Perez was the establishment firmly stating “We will do nothing to appeal to progressives.” I think they’re in for a surprise when progressives tell them to fuck themselves (a second time) in 2018.

Otherhand
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Otherhand
She only lost because of Russian hackers? Even if we accept that as the reason, the things they found were real and not invented. She was up against an unthinkably stupid candidate: a buffoon, who was shooting himself in the foot several times a day. I’m trying to think if there’s ever been a less qualified candidate, and it’s quite possible that there has not. She was among the most qualified candidates who has ever run, with a unique political experience, a stellar background in law, and extremely high intelligence. And yet she lost. That is a problem, and it’s… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

She won the popular vote though by several million, this just exemplifies how outdated and unnecessary the electoral college, especially when you consider the real reason it was created-slavery.

I’m not worried because people are fighting Trump tooth and nail and they’re not going to let it get that far.

ccameron sprague
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ccameron sprague

Mob rule is no better. Let’s face it most or at least a large percentage people are not educated enough to know what they’re voting for and when people like you talking about a wage gap that you don’t understand claim that the popular vote is the way to go I can’t help but be thankful that the ignorant are not given more power.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

Let’s face it your a complete fucking moron, there is a “wage gap”, it fucking exists, deal with you you sexist piece of fucking dogshit.

Many voters are educated, you’re clearly not one of them, did you inhale paint fumes as a kid?

darksteel6
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darksteel6

But the gender pay gap is a real thing, so she is disadvantaged by default.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

As a white North Amercian born and raised man, and even that is an iffy statement.

The world isn’t just America.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

nothing at all wrong with social justice stuff, minorities need more representation in games, that’s just a fact.

The people under the “social justice” banner are far better then the people on the right.

Nuserame
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Nuserame

Hmpf yeah, loads of great games, most of which you can’t have unless you have each and every console out there.

Bleh. Exclusives. That’s one thing that just isn’t good for anyone.

TheMagicLemur
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TheMagicLemur

Agreed. And Jim agrees too, as he’s said before. Holding games hostage is a really shitty tactic.

Hunter Zolomon
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Hunter Zolomon

“Holding games hostage is a really shitty tactic.” Except Sony isn’t holdng it hostage, Sony own and funded the game so no way would they want it on anything whats not a PS4. Is Nintendo now holding Zelda BOTW hostage because its not on PC or PS4? Jesus i never saw this level of moaning back when it was just Sega vs Nintendo exclusives. Exclusives sell consoles remember, hell exclusives were the only reason to own Wii U.

Nitrium
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Nitrium
Well the idea is that you buy the console to play the exclusive games. The more they make, the more “sense” that makes to the individual. So it IS GOOD for corporation involved to release plenty of top tier exclusive content for their platform. I won’t succumb to it, because buying a console for the exclusive is actively condoning the practice, which I don’t want to do. It’s not like you can play all of the games anyway. Every platform (well except Switch, but that’s new) has more than enough titles to scratch whatever gaming itch you might have. On… Read more »
Nuserame
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Nuserame

Fair enuf, its good for corporations and shareholders, I knew that but don’t typically think of them as ‘people’ >.>

Nitrium
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Nitrium

The US government actually considers corporations as “people”!:
http://www(DOT)npr(DOT)org/2014/07/28/335288388/when-did-companies-become-people-excavating-the-legal-evolution

[Replace (DOT) with . ]

Allan Weallans
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Allan Weallans
I don’t know. I mean, off the top of my head, if Bayonetta 2 wasn’t exclusive, it simply would never have happened. I haven’t played it. I don’t know if it’s good. But it’s good that it exists, therefore it’s good that Nintendo had a motivation to fund it, even if that motivation was platform-exclusivity. On the other side of the coin, Mass Effect was originally Xbox-exclusive, published by Microsoft, and we have EA to thank that it no longer is. Is what EA did to Mass Effect better or worse than platform-exclusivity? I’m not sure even I have a… Read more »
Nuserame
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Nuserame
Hmmm, I guess for ailing IPs it can be a way to continue to exist. How use that is if most people can’t play it, I will leave in the middle. And there is also a pretty good set of games that would have easily gotten their funding with or without signing away their rights to publish on more than one platform. Bloodborne comes to mind. I get the feeling From Software signed a deal with Sony that allowed them to port the Souls series at the cost of producing an exclusive on new IP. Pure speculation but its the… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

Street Fighter V is another one, Capcom could’ve easily funded that game without making it a Sony exclusive.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

SFV’s sales are more due to being released without several crucial features.

The Sony focus might have hurt a bit, but the horrible user impressions surely did more.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

True.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

You’re wrong there. You can play all the great new games without buying every console on the market. *cough* Xbone

Fyou
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Fyou

I’ve yet to be able to fire up any Forza game on my PSPro. But, different strokes and all that.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

I’ve only really heard of Forza as an alternative to Gran Turismo, which is a game I really care about at all.

George
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George
I have a love/hate relationship with the idea. On one hand exclusive may be the way of the future since porting games for multiple systems is from what understand more expensive then just designing for one platform. So for budget sake…it may just be an inevitable future…. Another point is that exclusives do allow a company to create a more focused experience. The reason I jumped from the PS3 to Wii-U this generation despite it having less games was because Nintendo was offering an experience that I was more interested in. BUT I think that is best case scenario… Where… Read more »
Tanneseph
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Tanneseph

First time the purple dildo really made me laugh, and it was a doozy!

Thanks for taking the time to point out something done this right (HZD, not the dildo ;p ;p). Gotta celebrate those victories, promote those good examples!

Does anyone know if HZD is a timed exclusive? For the games I play, there aren’t enough console exclusives for me to justify buying the hardware. I basically have gone PC Master Race purely due to Steam sales, lol. So I’m realllllly hoping this goes over to my preferred platform, eventually.

BAH!
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BAH!

It is almost definitely a permanent PS4 exclusive. It’s made by one of Sony’s in-house devs.

Also, you know what other game did most everything right in terms of its publishing? Mad Max. And that was from Warner Brothers!

Tanneseph
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Tanneseph

Dammit, I didn’t catch it was a Sony in-house. pwnd.

Lies That Bind
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Lies That Bind

Keep your eye on the PS now service though since they’ve announced ps4 games will be coming to the platform soon. So hopefully it ends up on there eventfully for PC gamers to enjoy.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

Yes as Total Biscuit pointed out in one of the past Co Optional podcasts this year, it’s interesting that HZD received praise from most critics in spite of it’s open-world cliches while Mad Max did not see the same level of critical acclaim, i’m a little mystified by that myself, I think both games are amazing(Mad Max definitely makes my top 5 of 2015)

darksteel6
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darksteel6

It’s not timed it’s permanent as none of Guerilla’s other games(the Killzone series) ever came out on other platforms, so sorry but Horizon is NEVER coming to Xbox or PC.

BAH!
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BAH!

I just want to point out that calling season passes bad (rather than the way they’re used by publishers) is, itself, kind of stupid. That’s like saying video games are bad because publishers push pre-orders.

A season pass does not disappear once all the content is out. It still hangs around, and will, eventually, go on sale. And considering most SP’s are priced to offer a small discount anyway, the savings can be quite impressive. Making content exclusive to the pass is also dumb, but that still falls under the “how publishers use them” point.

Pre-order = Bad
Saving Money = Good

Nuserame
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Nuserame
By the time all the DLC is out, the ‘season pass’ kinda stops being a season pass and is just a bundle of DLC offered on discount. That generally gets offered whether the game originally had a season pass or not. The things inherent to the concept of a season pass are: Planning DLC into the game, and selling it on pre-order. The first almost invariably seems to result in a diminished launch title, and the last will invariably make you feel that you bought half a game for 60$. The only good use for a season pass is to… Read more »
BAH!
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BAH!

Except that doesn’t work when you’ve already bought the game. So offering the DLC bundled separately is a significant help to consumer.

And I don’t recall DLC getting bundles on console before season passes. Not saying it didn’t, but the advent of the SP made that shit way easier, as well as getting it on sale.

TheMagicLemur
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TheMagicLemur

Except that season passes almost always don’t include all the DLC and you’re just pre-ordering DLC. So yes, in fact, season passes are stupid until all DLC is out already.

BAH!
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BAH!

Thank you for repeating the exact thing I said.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Wrong comparison, It would apply if he had said “DLCs are bad because season passes”. He didn’t. Besides, with pre-orders you know the game is coming and even a date (although it could end up like the Last Guardian for PS3 where pre-orders were available since 5 years ago). With season passes, what exactly are you buying when you pay? You’re paying up front for promises, giving money on 100% blind trust.

BAH!
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BAH!

If you buy the SP before all the content is out, yes. But that is a *completely* different topic, one which I VERY CLEARLY addressed.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I don’t think season passes are inherently bad either, i’ve got no problem paying for them if it saves me money on DLC later, and there’s really no story DLC that I would consider outright bad so season passes are not really a risk for me, I don’t regret paying for season passes for games like Far Cry 4, Arkham Knight, Watch Dogs, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, etc.

EyeSkewb
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EyeSkewb
Wow. The publisher fully has you in their clutches eh? Do you work for them? ARE YOU A SHILL? All joking aside, what you’re referring to is perceived value, not true value. “This DLC would’ve been 60 dollars, but if I buy the season pass now it’s only 55! What a steal!” Except what you’re buying is a promise of good content, not necessarily actual good content. It’s a bad business choice in general to pay up front for a product that doesn’t exist. And this doesn’t even take into account the greedy publisher habit of locking away content that… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

I’ve never really been dissapointed in any of the season passes i’ve bought, i’ve always felt as though i’ve got my moneys worth. Not all season pass DLC is content that’s already on the disc.

EyeSkewb
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EyeSkewb
I have. And for bioshock infinite no less which was one of my top two favorite games of last gen. And dlc isn’t necessarily bad at all, but waiting until the product exists allows you to gauge the quality of the product you’re buying by utilizing community reviews etc. Also what if it turns out the game is just shit? Would you consider 50 dollars to be worth the price of battlefront’s dlc package? Would any amount be worth it? Had they not tried to rush the game out to ride episode VII’s hype, would that content not be in… Read more »
darksteel6
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darksteel6

I never bought Battlefront as I completely lost any interest I had in that game when I heard it was not going to have a campaign(same with Rainbow Six Siege), but yeah that 50 dollar season pass was pretty damn terrible, but i’ve found that passes like that are usually the exception and not the rule.

BAH!
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BAH!

I’m not saying a person should buy a season pass before all the content is out (or even before it goes on sale), I’m saying a season pass is not inherently bad because it’s used to push pre-orders. That’s literally all.

BAH!
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BAH!

Also, if someone told me to hold off buying a season pass until it all its content was out and it was on sale, I would be SHOCKED to discover that person worked in marketing. Because that would be the absolutely worst marketer I’d ever heard of.

So fuck you.

GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone
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GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone
Hi Jim, I post this before, but I hope this cheers you up, enjoy (: “Will somebody cue that damn troll?!” Samurai Reviewer Boglins. Oh yeah! Who do you call when you want some Journalizm? Samurai Reviewer Boglins Right on! They’re stampin’ out game mechanics and you know that ain’t semantics. There’s Jim Stirling: he wears a suit and tie. A heck of a reviewer, Makes a heck of a bi. And Laura Kate Dale who’s never afraid, Of going into battle when the Metacritic crowd invade. There’s Conrad Zimmerman, a wild card and a hunk. When the video game… Read more »
John
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John

I noticed you zoomed in on Link’s face while saying you hate some games more than others. I love it you cheeky bastard.

LatePocketwatch
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LatePocketwatch

I’m sure this was said on the other video but I’m not digging through to upvote it. This site was the first I heard of HZD and explicitly tying it to Zelda made me realize I hadn’t played an actiony game in a while. So thanks for that fanboys, now I’m going to go back to playing since Aloy hasn’t fallen off the ledge.

Yaro
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Yaro

Just came here to say that comix zone is my jam!!!

Benj
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Benj

I hate that “A new game is really good and sold well, isn’t that nice” is probably going to be seen as a controversial statement by some people.

Anton
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Anton

It’s ok, you can say “Zelda fans”

Benj
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Benj

#notallzeldafans

#whythehellwouldanyoneassumethat

Wolfie
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Wolfie

#alllinksmatter

Benj
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Benj

What about Linkle!

Sexist!

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Linkle was only added for the game to get positive reviews by the sjw cucks!

#reviewergate

Chris
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Chris

I always have to remind myself when people criticise zelda fans, they mean the psychotic zealots posting hate and death threats or idiotic arguments online… not people like me sitting quietly in the corner actually playing the game and having fun.

Bilateralrope
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Bilateralrope

Sure, this time it was Zelda fans. But I doubt they will be the only fandom to act that way.

galactix100
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galactix100

Can’t wait for the sequel that has a season pass, microtransactions and is focused on the main character’s long lost brother, Jack.

Keuriseutopeo
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Keuriseutopeo

Shouldn’t the brother be named Plaating? Rost -> Aloy -> Plaating

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

That would be too logical for a cynical cash grab. Puns need writers, and we can’t afford those any more since we spent #allthemoney on strippers, whores, coke and marketing. Mostly marketing.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Yeah, well, I’m gonna start my own marketing firm! With blackjack! And hookers!

In fact, forget the marketing firm!

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I’m running away now!-> Okay. -> I’m serious! -> That’s fine. -> Really gonna do it! -> Have fun. -> I didn’t want to anyway!

galactix100
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galactix100

Nah the videogame industry only knows 3 male names. Jack, Marcus and John.

Otherhand
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Otherhand
In addition to everything else (and I wish I could play this game but I can’t because no PS4), the art is superb. Here is a too-long dreary post [CONTAINS SKELETONS]. Games models don’t tend to work over distance. They have detail, but often the detail breaks up badly across the model. HZD uses really smart use of detail and colour to focus attention. For example, the robot animals use high contrast schemes so that your eyes figures them out by their light-coloured plates. It’s like someone wearing a Halloween skeleton costume; even in situations where a background might mess… Read more »
Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

Gingers need more representation. Especially lonely ones. *Sigh* Futurama may be the only thing thing willing to have a male ginge protag though.

Otherhand
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Otherhand

See also In The Flesh

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

Have heard of this title before, shall check it out, thankyou for the information 🙂 btw am not going to like anything more solely if it has male ginger protag, just at least respect the decision of the creator to give it a go. Am curious as to why it’s such an entertainment faux pas, well, not that curious. Just disappointed. :p

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

“Red-headed stepchild” comes to mind as to why this may not be an oft-used thing.
South Park’s war against ginger folk may be another pillar in the temple of exclusion.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

They certainly haven’t helped the soul collecting grand plan. Though not holding it against them. For now…

Otherhand
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Otherhand

It was a great BBC show, but YMMV! It was about a zombie outbreak, except it skipped the entire outbreak. It’s set afterwards, when life has gone back to normal and a cure has been found and administered. People are understandably nursing grudges, especially in small towns like the one in the story. Starred Domnhall Gleason, who went on to star in Black Mirror and Rogue One.

You still get a complete story from the episodes they made. It’s just a shame that Series 3 was cancelled before production.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

Sounds kinda different and interesting take on the genre. Always appreciated the creative output the BBC has been willing to fund, has led to some great experiences and no doubt will lead to more, I will have to coerce friends into this viewing soon.
Black mirror is fantastic. I gotta get that off my chest. Charlie Brooker writes intriguing stuff!

John
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John

Andy Dalton sucks.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

Not sure who that is :/

John
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John

Do you not have Google where you live?

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

I was hoping to be a cheeky [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫] and see if you’d do it for me, as am not sure my search history needs any more assholes added to it 😉

John
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John

I’m torn between wanting to explain why I thought my initial comment was funny vs cutting my losses and walking away.

Terriosaurus Hex
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Terriosaurus Hex

Ok I sacrificed my totes clean Google search history cos not getting jokes kills innocent kittens somewhere across the world, and now I finally understand! US sports is something hardly portrayed where I am. blame the system! ;D

Anton
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Anton

Jim, I don’t know if it’s the lighting or the video editing, but you look like a corpse in this episode. That skin shade is fucking creepy.

Oh, and another great Jimquisition.

Tobasco da Gama
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LIFE HACK: Instead of yelling at people over arbitrary numbers on reviews or harassing people out of the industry for mildly janky face animations or whatever, just go play a fucking video game you enjoy. HACKED YOUR LIFE, SON.

Anton
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Anton

Instructions unclear, dick stuck in blender, life purpose lost, gonna go send some death threats on metacritic.

Weasel Biggs
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Weasel Biggs

Aren’t you supposed to stick your dick in a fan’s blades, and not a blender?

Er… LYFE HACKZZZ.

Am I doing this right?

HaveSomeOatmeal
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HaveSomeOatmeal

Thanks for making me giggle like a moron while at work.

Benj
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Benj

LIFE HACK: Don’t be a [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫].

Muddy Scarecrow
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Muddy Scarecrow
That bit you said about the side quests in Horizon having an actual conclusion reminds me of what frustrated me so much about Watch_Dogs 1.Some of the collectible activities promised you a “Special Mission” if you found them all. Like finding all the serial killer victims or the human trafficking laptops. And I remember being kinda excited at that idea. Until I found out that the “special missions” were actually just a copy paste of the five or so types of mission the entire game had. Completing Serial Killer just gave you a crime prevention mission, completing human trafficking gave… Read more »
Otherhand
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Otherhand

True, but for me WD1 worked. I liked the mission types, and especially the little fort situations where you fuck up a foreman and get out unseen. It’s a shame that this kind of gameplay didn’t carry into WD2 (although it’s better in many ways). Even if some situations look a bit similar, they just don’t play the same way.

darksteel6
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darksteel6

I actually really enjoyed those missions in Watch Dogs, to me it felt very organic to the gameplay, that’s one thing I missed in Watch Dogs 2, I liked shutting down the auction and the weapons traffickers, it was quite fun for me, Watch Dogs did not feel like a “template” to me at all, I enjoyed that game immensely.

Kimarous
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Kimarous

“Horizon: Zero Dawn” is one of those titles that I’m happy is doing well despite having absolutely zero interest in the game proper. (shrug) Hunting robo-animals just isn’t my cup of tea.

Knight_Blazer
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Knight_Blazer

Judging from the last frame of that video we will be hearing about Jim’s back pain for another year.

Lies That Bind
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Lies That Bind

That IASIP music at the end had me chuckle sensibly “Jim sterling makes fun of the holocaust on the radio”

TheDeadFellow
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TheDeadFellow

Alternatively, “Jim Sterling says something racist”.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Edit: “SJW” ALERT!

So it has a girl on the cover, but the question is: how bangable is she? /s

Jamesworkshop
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Jamesworkshop

30 bangs

Brendand
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Brendand

How dare you Metacritic gives it 31.2 and any less is killing the industry

Anton
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Anton

Well, now you have to bang her more to offset the damage that James has caused.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

Fucking STANTON.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Son.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

I prefer Father Stanton, as long as he wears the plague doctor’s mask and robe…

Oh wait, we’re talking about “Jim Fucking Sterling, son?” Forget I said anything.

Anton
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Anton

Based on how young she looks, I give her a Roman Polanski/10

Dallium
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Dallium

If I can’t have Fuck Konami News or Oh, Ubisoft segments, I’m totally fine getting sweet Life Hacks

Dave Dogge
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Dave Dogge

I dare you, I double dare you Jim to review Mass Effect : Andromeda and give it a 9.5/10.

Locuas
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Plese, Jim has taste, so it is BVIOUS he is going to give it a 10/10 because Andromeda is SO perfect that even before playing it i can tell it’s objectively a masterpiece that totally doesn’t have wanky face animations!

galactix100
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galactix100

Give every other release this year at least a 7.5 or higher

Locuas
Guest

“yes, it is better than Breath of the Wild”

Wolfie
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Wolfie

FFFFFFUCKING DDOS THE FILTH, HOW DARE HE LIKE A GAME EVERYONE HATES WHICH IS FACT!!

Otherhand
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Otherhand

7.01 for maximum carnage.

Hunter Zolomon
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Hunter Zolomon

Go the whole way and give it GOTY as well.

Zippydsmlee
Guest

Better than Breath of the wild at least. heh

SilentPony
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SilentPony

What’s this?! Jim didn’t praise Breath of the Wild the legally mandated amount again?!
Feel the wrath of my terrifying computer virus that will bring this website down! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0701e5ec59169c6931328231cf125c7e6170cee72a1da19b842e530bd328ec10.gif

Seriously Jim, call Kenny Loggins. Your shilling for Sony has reached a whole new area. An area where there is danger.

Anton
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Anton

Hut hut, what whaaaaaat!

…Shit, the virus got me.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Something something 1980’s.

Lewis Stonier
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Lewis Stonier

Would you say a zone of danger?

cerpin
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cerpin

Muy peligroso?

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