The Jimquisition: YouTube Needs To Face The Music

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The past week and change has been chaotic in certain sectors of videogame YouTube. Copyright strikes, mental health issues, legal trouble and more erupted around the otherwise unassuming shooter, Starr Mazer DSP.

And while anarchy ruled the roost, YouTube itself let it all happen.

Nathan Stapleton
Member

Sounds like you needed some oxycodone or dilaudid, bro. If you’re not ready for that stuff you’re likely to have a sudden, possibly unwanted nap. Or a sudden, definitely unwanted barf but that’s not super likely unless the nurse draws up ever-so-slightly too much. For reals, you’ll be like, “Yep. I’m fine. Kinda nice reall-BARRRRF!!!” A barf ninja-ing outta you that quickly and unexpectedly is kinda freaky, honestly.

Where was I going with this again…?

Michael Clements
Member

I wonder if things would get done to correct this more quickly if groups of people started take-down-striking the videos of large corporations…

Also I hope you are feeling much better and pain-free soon, Jim

Bashtarle
Member
I think the problem isn’t so much with the Youtube Algorithms assuming there actually are any? As it seems like it would have to do with the DMCA and “Safe Harbor”, because they are effectively incentivized to nuke things from orbit by the “get out of jail free” card that removing the content provides them. Coupled with the fact that there is essentially no penalty for spurious claims….. you essentially have a system that seems like it was designed to be abused…. or at least designed by people who don’t really understand how the pneumatic tubes of the internet work……… Read more »
Shas\'O Faiz
Guest
Shas\'O Faiz
As this story is still going on, I’m dismayed that certain YouTubers are piling on Alex Mauer in ways that go way beyond reporting on her misdeeds. Declaring that you only care about gaming, not gender politics, etc. isn’t an excuse to stoop to the level that supposedly respected members of the gaming community have stooped to. The undercurrent of anti-trans animosity that’s run underneath this story has made me feel sick, and I’m saying that as a cisgendered person, albeit one with a fair amount of trans friends; I can’t imagine what trans people who look at this story… Read more »
Jen
Guest
Jen

we get disgusted by people who turn everything involving a trans person into a fuck off to the community as a whole.

George
Member

I’m a little late and I’ll just reply here…

I actually agree with Gaijin-. Every hobby or past time has it’s share of undesirable people.
And I don’t believe that gaming is any more or any less toxic than the music scene, hockey teams, martial arts academies, political parties, activist groups, or workers unions or university campus ect.

The only difference is that with gaming because you’re interested you will see it more and with gaming the internet gives a huge platform to maladjusted people (i’m avoiding the word troll this time) who will harass others.

Gaijin-
Guest
Gaijin-

Dude, wake up: any one hobby is going to have its share of undesirable individuals. It’s not like Amazon asks customers for a psychological profile before selling them a console.

BAH!
Member
BAH!

True, but it’s fairly rare that the undesirable individuals of a given hobby manage to become a point of wider discussion, and even a cultural touchstone. Gamers did that. Not model plane fliers, not stamp collectors, not book club participants.

The only other group that even comes close is moviegoers, and you tend to see a lot of overlap between them. So in reality, these same people are ruining TWO things.

Shas\'O Faiz
Guest
Shas\'O Faiz

That’s a big problem too, but what alarms me is how many supposedly respected people who make videos and write about these topics are either turning a blind eye to or trafficking in this discrimination. It makes this campaign against Alex Mauer hopelessly tainted in my mind, and I feel like I have to choose between taking a stand against DMCA takedown abusers and…not treating trans people like trash and sending them to abusive mental hospitals against their will and shit.

Chris
Member

Anyone who thinks gaming doesn’t have more than its share though is being willfully ignorant. There is a toxic ‘culture’ that has cropped up around gaming as well as a lot of ‘nerd’ pastimes and hobbies that is aggressively exclusionary towards women and LGBT people and people of color. And it’s something that needs to stop.

Shas\'O Faiz
Guest
Shas\'O Faiz

And it’s not going to stop when the majority of YouTube gaming influencers either actively encourage it or decide that being neutral is a viable position on topics like transphobia. One of the reasons why Jim Sterling is my favorite key opinion leader (swear I’m not brownnosing) is that he does actually care about this stuff.

ShasO Faiz
Guest
ShasO Faiz

This feels a lot different though, when the key opinion leaders themselves are enabling or trafficking in this sludge as well.

Sam Leheny
Member
Aaaaah jeez. As this video goes up Alex Mauer’s out of custody, and is at it once again. How many times does Youtube’s system need to detect from a single user that a claim hasn’t stuck for that system to send a little alert to someone (preferably an actual fucking human being) reading “Hey. Maybe – just maybe, you should take a closer look at this person and assess whether or not filing these claims should be as easy for them as it currently is.” Now wouldn’t that be a bit of common sense! If it didn’t mean affecting innocent… Read more »
batmabel
Member

You can try it in a big corporate channel like Warner Bros or some shit, this way it won’t affect anyone’s livehood.

mjc0961
Guest
mjc0961

Yeah, that’s a GREAT idea. File a claim against a massive company that will immediately send lawyers to ruin your life.

Nobody listen to batmabel’s stupid idea, please.

TheGamingWomble
Guest
TheGamingWomble

10,000 lawyers rubbed their hands together with glee when you posted this, all in unison thinking,

“Oh the billing hours…just think of all those beautiful billing hours”.

Viking_Mana
Member
I don’t believe for a second that YouTube are going to do anything about this. It’s only us regular commoners getting hurt when someone has a mental breakdown and starts blazing a trail of destruction across the site. They’re going to continue to cater to big corporations that blatantly ignore relevant laws. Changing the system would mean admitting that it’s already basically illegal. If they changed their “Guilty until proven innocent”-rules, then how would Nintendo illegally flag content and steal revenue from content creators for using content they’re allowed to use? How would everyone continue to flagrantly ignore fair use… Read more »
cridia
Guest
cridia

So wait, I could potentially start a channel called the Dicksauce Channel, go on a DMCA rampage and put the earning potentials of a vast amount of people at jeopardy without ever having to even give so much as my name?

chadnt
Guest
chadnt

Are you objecting to YouTube policies, per se? Or are you objecting to the DMCA. I think the policies are just an effort to cover their ass with respect to draconian US copyright law.

Kage
Guest
Kage
I was wondering if anyone had pointed this out yet. The policies Google has are definitely in order to be in compliance with the DMCA. This includes things such as being required to remove any video claimed via DMCA, and to have in place a system for dealing with and removing those who have received too many DMCA claims. If Google did NOT have these policies in place, they would be liable for infringing videos that get uploaded to YouTube, allowing copyright owners to just sue YouTube directly. Considering the number of lawsuits that have been aimed at Google already… Read more »
Arcane Azmadi
Guest
Arcane Azmadi
I’m seriously starting to think it may be time to simply leave YouTube. I’m serious, leave one final video as a forwarding address and arrange a mass community migration to some other video hosting service, ANY other video hosting service. I am utterly fed up to here with companies like Google thinking their effective monopoly means they can continue to treat everyone like trash just because they’re too fucking lazy to provide even the most basic protections and assurances of fairness. What if Jim, TotalBiscuit, SidAlpha, The Angry Video Game Nerd, AngryJoe, Extra Credits, PewDiePie, EVERY major gaming community personality… Read more »
TheGamingWomble
Guest
TheGamingWomble

Sadly, I think Jim’s puritanical lifestyle would mean he would never go for putting his videos on PornHUb……either that or he’d never get any work done with PornHub always open on a browser tab….you decide!!!

machine_dirty
Member

The problem is that it’s very difficult to be succesful on any video platform besides Youtube, same thing with with trying to be a succesful streamer anyplace besides Twitch.

George
Member

I’d like to see Jim of Pornhub… <3
😉

But in all seriousness it's either your suggestion or perhaps some kind of union or unions forming…although I don't think that a union of Blare White, Jim Sterling, Lacie Green, Laura K Buzz, Sargon of Ahkad, Channel Awesome, Total Biscuit is likely…but stranger things have happened.

machine_dirty
Member

Sargon, Balre White, and Laci Green are all terrible people, not sure why you would want them involved.

George
Member

…That’s the joke….

Chris
Member

Anything that included Sargon would sorely disappoint me if Jim it Laura got involved. No one should want to be associated with him or the rest of his little corner of YouTube.

George
Member

…That’s the joke…

ArtSolopov
Member

Also, for the moderator:
I’m currently seeing this message on the top of my comment box:

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Justin McDaniel
Admin

Hey, thanks for letting me know! I haven’t been able to recreate this on my browsers yet, but I’ll keep working to find a solution. Thanks for pointing it out for me!

SadOldGuy
Member

I started seeing it immediately after adding my new account to The Jimquisition on the latest build of Firefox 54.0.1 64 bit. So you might need to login as a new account to see it.

SadOldGuy
Member

Also, I now see all of the comments pending moderation, presumably due to the same error.

ArtSolopov
Member

This has appeared right after I logged in through Twitter for the first time and left my first comment with this profile. Hope it helps…

ArtSolopov
Member

Also: so sad to see transphobic comments under Jim’s video so well-liked.

BAH!
Member
BAH!

I assume you mean on Youtube? Because that shit won’t be tolerated here.

ArtSolopov
Member
It has been said before, and I’ll say it again. Nothing will change in that regard. Google hasn’t commented, because for Google, these 60-something videos are a speck, less than a speck, literally an infinitesimal. If you’re not on the level of Markiplier, your channel being blocked won’t make a dent in YouTube’s operations or profits. I haven’t tried uploading anything on YouTube myself, but I can imagine the appeal of a ready-made, set up system that makes videos available at a snap of the fingers. But I think video makers of various sorts who, as of now, are relying… Read more »
Paxillus
Guest
Paxillus

Get well dear. Hope its not your back again.

Kestrel Stargazer
Member

Please feel better.

George
Member

Happy Canada Day (observed) to everyone! God Save The Queen.
Happy Independence Day to the Americans too.

As for this story, I find it quite alarming. While professionally I know that people with mental health issues are rarely dangerous there are those occasions when they are. I would not want a stranger suffering in a psychotic episode or anti-social personality disorder (Just as an example) to have my contact information.

Keep up the good work Jim. And praise you for your dedication to quality editorials and video essays.

MJBarr
Guest
MJBarr

Stop fuckin dying Jim, jeeze. How are you going to create Jim Con (the Convention all about Jim fucking Sterling, or maybe about games media or some shit, fuck if I know) if yer dead?

machine_dirty
Member

Jim said on Twitter that it was nothing serious.

Appretaur
Guest
Appretaur
One of SidAlpha’s daily videos on the subject indicated that the claimant had struck specific channels multiple times each with the specific intent to have them taken down in the way commonly expected of the three-strikes rule, but that those channels somehow stayed up. Sid suggested that YouTube might have secretly instituted a new layer of fairness to its DMCA system in which multiple video takedowns from the same source apparently only count together as one single copyright strike now, and YouTube did not announce or explain this change to people at all. It would’ve been interesting to hear Jim… Read more »
Wolf
Member
Wolf

Black tie?! What is this tomfoolery?

Greene Scott
Member
Greene Scott

What I’m worried about is the mental disability part of this story.

I’m really worried this is going to vindicate all those people in the gaming community who use autism and other disabilities as slurs and as something to be ashamed or treat us no better than trolls.

We are not like the composer here, we are not all losers, cowards, hateful, jerks, need protection, help etc. We are all different and it’s not fair blame all of us because of one persons actions 🙁

Chris
Member
At the same time, as someone with family members both with mental health issues and on the spectrum I get disgusted by the way some people online treat claiming something, whether they’ve ever been diagnosed or not, as a sort of ‘get out of responsibility free’ card. Act like a jerk or break rules or harass people, then when you get called in your bad behavior claim no one can hold you responsible because you’ve self diagnosed yourself with Asperger’s or you say you’ve been feeling depressed. I’ve always find that intensely insulating to people who struggle to manage and… Read more »
HelixShade
Member
HelixShade
Speaking as someone with Mental Health issues of his own, I’ve come to learn that people on the Internet will always remember the Chris-Chan’s. It doesn’t matter how many of us are upstanding, law abiding citizens, they’ll only think of the monumentally bad cases. That being said, to reiterate the above point – Mental Health is not a defence for being an asshole. Oftentimes however for someone who actually does have these issues, there’s usually a decent reason. Perhaps that offensive comment they just wrote was intended as something more innocent. Perhaps they just don’t know any better (e.g: bare… Read more »
machine_dirty
Member

Alex is definitely not your typical misguided internet user with mental issues who takes things too far without meaning to.

HelixShade
Member
HelixShade

Never meant to imply she was, especially after the latest round of news that’s been going around.

InfamousDS
Member
InfamousDS

I understand you wanted to deflect the blame and the primary show content into YouTube’s lap, but I felt this video was sorely lacking a necessary shout-out before you sauntered into “YouTube is run stupid baby idiots” territory.
Namely, that Leonard French is helping Alex overcome her mental health issues despite being the acting lawyer for Imagos in her contract/DMCA lawsuit and being on the receiving end of her death threats. Like, goddamn it is hard to be a cynical asshole about lawyers after hearing that.

Galactix100
Member
Galactix100

Speaking as a law student this is the sort of behaviour you don’t see much of because it’s not exciting or dramatic enough. A lot of cases these days are being handled through methods that focus on helping those involved as much as it is on coming to a resolution. Perhaps it’s because it’s not used so much in the big exciting cases it’s not talked about as much.

MuddyScarecrow
Member

That’s something I don’t think people realize about lawyers. In a lot of cases they are putting peoples’ lives completely into their own hands. Say what you want about them being greedy liars who defend obvious criminals for money, the ones that are defending innocent people have to display a lot of empathy to help those people out.

Chris
Member
The ones defending criminals are still doing a vital and important service. I fucking hate the idea that lawyers can only be respectable if their clients are all innocent. Our entire Justice system is based on the idea that no matter who you are or what you did you’re entitled to someone there to make sure the prosecution is doing its job on the level and that your interests are taken into account. The argument that if you defend a murderer or a rapist in court you’re guilty too somehow is toxic and destructive to the entire concept of a… Read more »
Sperium3000
Member

As someone in the spectrum, I’ll say what I already said once, mental issues and being an asshole are two different things. Mental issues are not a free pass to being a dick. With that said, death threats over the internet are the coward’s weapon and people who use it are [♪SKELETON WARRIORS♫] of the highest order.

Peter Quint
Guest
Peter Quint

I enjoyed the tone of this Jimquistion more than recent weeks in that it sounded a little more restrained in tone but had a really good argument put across well.

Sometimes just putting things clearly has more impact than the rage and bile approach.

Aside from that, terrible to hear about you being in pain. I hope whatever it is clears up soon and much respect for getting this episode out.

Ere. B.
Guest
Ere. B.

Still waiting for Jim’s hot take on SNES Classic… Still waiting…

Pingk
Guest
Pingk

He talks about it on the latest Podquisition (137)

SadOldGuy
Member

Jim, thank you for this. I just signed up for a Google account just so that I could comment here.

One item that makes this situation worse is that I just realized that a stalker could file a copyright strike on someone JUST TO GET THEIR ADDRESS. Why is every person harassed, assaulted, etc. not legally Google’s fault?

Goran
Guest
Goran

Anyone doing business or publishing anything, that includes ALL Youtubers, has to have an address of contact for any legal issues.

If that is your private address too, then that’s on you.

At most you could have Youtube have another advise video telling you to protect yourself better, but you can’t publish things publicly AND expect to be completely anonymous.

Depending on local law that contact address actualy has to be visible to everyone accessing your content.

George
Member

I worry too sine it may only be a matter of time before some kind of domestic violence is perpetrated in this way.

machine_dirty
Member

Watching the whole Alex Mauer thing unfold reminded me of when Amanda Bynes was acting strangely a few years back and saying a few somewhat controversial things, I wasn’t so much mad at her as I was really concerned for her overall well-being. It’s the same thing with Alex, more then anything I hope she gets better.

As for Youtube, they really need to get their shit together. I’ve heard some strange cases of certain Youtubers actually losing several subscribers every single time they upload a video, no idea what causes that.

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