The Sad Ghost War Between Breath of the Wild And Horizon: Zero Dawn

The frenzy surrounding The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a whole new level of fan overreaction, and this is coming from someone who’s seen what happens when you say Uncharted isn’t perfect.

When they’re not busy launching DDoS attacks against outlets that didn’t like the game as much as they did, they’re being really very angry at Horizon: Zero Dawn, a game with very little connection to Zelda but has become a popular target of BotW‘s most delirious fanbabies.

Both games are huge open world experiences, and both are exclusive to particular consoles. This is of course a recipe for disaster where the two games were destined to be compared in the most vitriolic ways imaginable. Plenty of Nintendo’s zealots were furious when they learned of my own highly favorable review, and if you believe them, Zero Dawn‘s fanbase has had an axe to grind against Breath of the Wild for a long time.

The reality, however, is not quite as these wearers of green, pointy, tinfoil-lined hats would lead you to believe.

According to frantic commentary on my Breath of the Wild review as well as various subReddits, nefarious shills for Sony have been abusing Metacritic’s user reviews in order to give Horizon 10/10 scores and crush Zelda with a bunch of vile zeroes.

The process is called Metabombing, an organized effort from unhinged fanbases or edgy online communities (or both) to tank the average user review score of a game they wish to see fail.

“So I guess Jim is going to use this comment section to justify how Zelda fans are toxic and all that, yet he still hasn’t commented on the Metabombing of the Metacritic user score by Horizon: Zero Dawn fans,” wrote one responder to The Jimquisition’s Breath of the Wild review.

This sentiment is not uncommon amongst those Zelda fans who genuinely are toxic, the fans I guess I’ll just call Fucking Slithering Pricks.

Unfortunately for them I can’t do as requested because there’s just not enough evidence to support the claim that Zero Dawn fans are behaving as badly as accused.

But do remember, throughout the rest of this article – I was asked to do this.

Perusing the user reviews for The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, there is very little evidence to suggest Horizon‘s zealous devotees (I’m sure it has them) have been orchestrating anything of the sort.  Yes, a handful of user reviews that gave Zelda a 0 also gave Horizon a 10. Going over the accounts myself, I’ve been able to spot a grand total of two users that did it.

Both skilly225 and Skyerls-Pidar fit the profile of somebody who is theoretically spiting Breath of the Wild in some irrational attempt to elevate Zero Dawn. Even among those two, only one of them has a clear axe to grind against Nintendo games – Skylerlst is clearly creaming themselves over PlayStation titles and applying zeroes to Nintendo’s output. The other one has rated various Nintendo games highly and claims to predominantly be a PC user.

If we expand the search to 1/10 reviews, we can find some more evidence. Lampiaobr is blatantly on Metacritic for one specific purpose, and AmazedBunion gave Horizon an 8… while also giving Black Ops III a 9/10. They might just be doing their own bizarre thing.

As we go through the 2/10 scores and 3/10 scores, any Horizon in the history of the reviewers seems to evaporate entirely. Meanwhile, the vast majority of negative reviews appear to be genuinely critical of various aspects of the game or are random drive-by shitposts that have no ulterior motive other than to kick the wasp’s nest.

What happens, however, if we flip the script? How many reviewers who gave Breath of the Wild a perfect 10 went ahead and slapped a big ol’ zilch on a scathing writeup of Guerilla Games’ production?

Say hello to Jimmyrustle22, estenoriega, MORJ, Linknlogs227, ivanmd09, navaga, csgopro, and ivand88! That’s just a selection of users who simultaneously wrote reviews issuing a 0/10 for Horizon and a 10/10 for Zelda.

They’re not the only ones, either. Here’s a negative Zero Dawn review from skysayrain that cheerily admits to what they’re doing:

“The game score is way too high,” they said of Horizon. “Don’t have the game will buy it, probably will enjoy it. giving this game 0 out of 10 in the name of Zelda for all those PS fan boys. good day! =)”

The funny thing is, I don’t even have to try very hard to find Zelda‘s piss champions doing exactly what they’re accusing others of doing.

Just clicking names at random I found NooBziN here, while a cursory search for Zelda references brought me ScofieldMoody. You start to be able to spot them at a glance, like if one of them mentions Far Cry Primal and doesn’t seem to be able to say much else of critical value, they might be like Matsepuldveda.

While I had to dig into the twos and threes while trying to find substantial evidence of Horizon fans acting out, I haven’t even left the zero range while talking about Zero Dawn‘s own user review page.

Far be it from me to disappoint my readers – I investigated the accusations of Breath of the Wild Metabombing, as requested, and came away with the opposite image that had been painted for me. Contrary to the claims, it seems less than five Horizon fans wrote negative reviews for Breath of the Wild, and the link (haha) is tenuous even among those.

Meanwhile, Zelda‘s mini crusaders aren’t even trying to hide what they’re doing.

And don’t think the examples I’ve given already are the only ones available.

“They did it first,” is the excuse I’ve seen for the attempted Metabombing of Horizon: Zero Dawn. It looks like, however, those WMDs are yet to be found.

Obviously, we’re talking about a small subset of particularly troubled individuals who have replaced their sense of self with videogames. Most fans of The Legend of Zelda, just like most fans of Sony’s suite of games, are well adjusted adults who aren’t flipping their shit and behaving in the most undignified ways over conflicting opinions regarding entertainment products.

Nobody should ever take Metacritic scores this bloody seriously.

Still, as someone currently in the firing line of these perverse aberrations, I find it particularly interesting that the same hive mind currently shrieking about a one percent dip in Breath of the Wild‘s average Metacritic score can’t help doing exactly what it accuses others of – bombing something else because they can’t handle the idea of anything other than their Precious potentially succeeding.

Such is the zero sum mindset of those who play for the lowest stakes on Earth.

According to what I can see, no war has been waged on Breath of the Wild by fans of Horizon: Zero Dawn or indeed any other malignant force. It’s a ghost war, concocted in the paranoid and erratic minds of an increasingly hysterical collective. Given their recent and continued acts of absurdity, it should not have surprised me that one of their biggest moral justifications for their behavior – while still weak as fuck – was spun from whole cloth.

Metabombing is trivial and hilarious in its crystallization of misdirected, truly impotent anger. It’s why I like to write about it. In this instance, however, the whole situation’s a little sad as well.

I mean, Breath of the Wild is one of the highest rated games of all time, it’s gotten more 10/10s than any game developer should rightly dream of, and it’s performing very well indeed at retail. Most people who have played it loved it. Even I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Yet, with all that going for them, Zelda‘s hardest of hardcore fans are unhappy and unfulfilled because almost unilateral praise is not the same as unilateral praise. Even worse, they’re paranoid with the hair-trigger backlash instinct of a cornered stray.

And ultimately, I think everybody else is just enjoying playing a fucking good Zelda game.

I hope Breath of the Wild‘s shoutiest fans also learn to enjoy playing it one day.

It’s worth it.

  • Artemiy

    I’ll just borrow a line from our favourite Miracle of Sound.

    “Click-click. Boom. Boom.”

    • YES

    • Dared00

      “hard hard cash”

    • AHyperkineticLagomorph

      “Gordon Freeman saved my life!”

      Wait, let me try that again.

    • Big Dave

      “Don’t call me a moron, I’m super astute”

    • CaitSeith

      “BLOOD ON MY HANDS!”

  • Dave Dogge

    I thought that I typed dos for DOS prompt, sorry about that Jim ! love ….. A. Zelda Fan.

  • Piko Neal

    Hypocrisy will breed hypocrisy.

  • FieldMedic

    Here you have irrefutable proof that Zelda fanatics are indeed the worst in the games industry! Congratulations guys you won the razzie now can you please stop harassing Jim?

  • Jamesworkshop

    I was hoping that with new Zelda and Horizon, we could have a fun new “year of the bow” again.

    But it’s just another fanwar now.

    • Pete Croucher

      It’s not really a war when one side is too busy playing their game to attack, right?

      And that, by the way, is the best review either game can have.

      • Jamesworkshop

        ‘war’ probably isn’t the most apposite word to use.

        • Pete Croucher

          Bitchfit? 😛

          Also, I’ve just noticed your name and it gave me a massive grin, ta! 😀

    • Horrigan

      War .. War never changes

      which reminds me of the tragic atrocity that FO4 dared to call writing and quest design .. now you’ve done it .. you have made me sad 🙁 .. but I guess I sort of did it to myself -.-

  • Jake Pulford

    Games are subjective experiences. If Jim gives Zelda a 7/10 then that is his opinion, if I think it deserves more or less then I can advocate that as an individual. People need some enlightenment.

    • David Everard

      Indeed

    • Dave Dogge

      But he dissed Zelda …….. bwaaaaaa bwwaaaaaahh ! *cries salty tears into his hentai pillow*….
      No, but seriously for me on the Swtich it’s around a 9/10, it’s solidly good.

    • Reviewers are meant to give their opinion, not regurgitate ours back at us.

  • me

    As poorly behaved as particular zealots have been, I don’t feel like the mouthbreather comment was necessary. People who breathe through their mouths often can’t help it; it’s not an indicator of low intelligence or shady behaviour, and your conflation of the two gives that false impressions.

    Ableism is often a blind spot with many people, so I don’t expect this comment will be popular; but to see it from Jim is disappointing, “irrational” though it may be.

    • Fallen Prime

      You are LITERALLY the only person I’ve ever seen call the term ableist.

      • Jarin

        Like people who don’t see racism… this might say more about who you hang around and listen to.

        • Fallen Prime

          Actually, I hang around with people who SNAP at ableist comments.

          • InfamousDS

            I inherited The Internet?

      • Pay more attention then.

    • Artemiy

      Thank you for your perspective! I’d love to see Jim’s opinion on this.

    • Kristian Jönsson

      Breathing through your mouth is not a disability, though.

      • Julie Vivien

        It’s a symptom of a number of respiratory conditions that are disabilities.

    • Johan Kristian Milde

      I’ve always pictured mouthbreathers as a sort of fish or mollusk, but when you mention it, it could be much more maliciously intended.
      Definitely a sign to be careful.

    • MindFever

      a wise man once said “fuck your feelings”

      also the reviewer is a very fat person so your recall on the PC dogma is very out of place

      Irrational? you have to be joking …yes let’s not make jokes because it might offend somebody. Let’s not mock the wicked because somebody might get their feelings hurt. No , NO , NO!

      • me

        I wasn’t recalling the PC dogma, I was pointing out that Jim could stand to be more careful in his terminology.

        • MindFever

          fair enough but your complaint did imply he wanted to equate mouth breathers of any kind to stupidity.
          If you just want him to be more tactful that’s fine but judging all his work because of hurt feelings is evoking the PC dogma which has no place in a serious discussion.
          Honestly , he is mocking people who deserve to be mocked. Not doing so does a grave disservice to all those who are just.
          Let’s leave our feelings outside this room and not make our feelings the basis for judgement . That’s all I’m saying. Perhaps I went too aggressive in my choice of words but that’s my fault.

          • Words are my trade. To brush off concerns over the words I use is to do a disservice to my trade, which is why I won’t do it. Words have power, and it’s a power I’d like to keep potent, optimized, and updated to the latest OS.

            I take comments like me’s seriously, regardless of my original intents, and even independent of whether or not I decide to act upon their concerns, because discussion of language and its power is something that should be incredibly important to anybody who relies on it so much in their work.

          • MindFever

            hang on a minute I’m not suggesting you should ignore it or censor people over this. I was pointing out that a judgement of your character ,integrity based on feelings because of a word may be insulting to some, is something that I reject as a concept.

          • I see what you’re saying, and thank you for speaking for me, but I assure you I’m not perturbed at all by what was suggested. I’ve worked hard over the past several years to keep my general language as welcoming as possible so only the specific causes of my ire are truly put to glorious verbal conflagration. If something I have said could make me look negligent of that work, then I appreciate knowing.

            It takes so little effort for me to change a word or two, and knowing it could make the day of a reader better when I do it is more than worth the miniscule time it takes to flex my vocabulary a little more.

          • MindFever

            hmm I see your point. I was looking at this thing as a reader when I should be looking at it as a writer and reviewer …and a demi god on youtube 🙂 (Jim Sterling,son!)
            Your words do carry weight and I didn’t consider that aspect of it. It’s easy to miss that since I have no experience whatsoever to write reviews on any site with a big audience.

            I stand corrected and I am grateful for your explanation .

          • <3

          • Dragongelf

            It’s the respect for all but the ones specifically targeted, as shown here, that I find so incredibly heartening.

            Things like this are just a minor thing to most and I don’t think many writers, critical or otherwise, would bother with.

            Yet the thought of it making the day of even 1 reader better, let alone a subsection, would sway you to work on being the bigger person.

            That’s character right there.

          • KaoTeK

            This attitude is one of the many reasons I love you Jim, bravo.

      • Horrigan

        I dont see how the reviewers physical stature is in any way related to how insensitive that particular comment may or may not be (not that I think it is particularly egregious)… also I highly doubt your defense is the sort of comment that Mr. Sterling would be particularly happy about .. with friends like these ..

        • MindFever

          you exaggerate my intent…I wanted to say he is himself overweight so I don’t thing he has a bias against overweight people.

          If Jim would condemn me for those words I would be thoroughly surprised.

          cheers

    • Miles Rice

      Really? mouth breather, triggered you?
      You see breathing through the mouth as a disability? Low intelligence does not equate to ableism, regardless if there is even any merit to the old insult.
      Back in your box, me, there are other battles for you to face in the PC world.

      • me

        Low intelligence is often equated with disability unnecessarily. You can be disabled without lacking common sense, and you can lack common sense, as the DDOSing zelda fans do in this case, without being disabled. Jim was the one making that link, not me.

    • “me” was respectful in bringing this up and was then shouted down and given rather ignorant “fuck you” comments in return, which is NOT what I want my regular comment sections to be. Be better than the assholes who stunk up the Zelda review thread, please.

      Just for the response to me’s concerns ALONE, I am going to change it. If you don’t like that, what was the phrase? Fuck your feelings? Is that what we’re saying now?

      • me

        Thank you, Jim. I wasn’t expecting you to reply to this, let alone change it – it means a lot. Thank God for you.

      • Artemiy

        Thank God for Jim, who does not only taketh, but also giveth.

      • krazykain

        Just wait till some right wing media page gets wind of this “Journalist caves to OFFENDED PC Feminist”

        I know.. feminism has nothing to do with that, but breitbart wouldnt care!

      • InfamousDS

        This, right here? This is why I like you. I came for the critique of the chicanery done by the bigwigs. I stayed for the bizarre reactions to Steam games. And I fell in brotherly love with the reasonable, sometimes wacky, man who loves Boglins and is a total corporate shill for BigCereal.

    • Germanicus

      Ignore them, people who use words like mouth-breathers are nothing more than window-lickers.

    • krazykain

      One that always irritates me is Neck Beards, I mean sure it’s more of a choice than Mouth Breathing, but equating one’s intelligence to their look has always annoyed me.

  • how sad of 910 drones…

  • We’ve always been at war with Eurasia.

  • Iftekhar Ahmed

    Video game reviews are desinged to the ordinary joe and not the conglomerates producing them.

  • Tobias Hanika

    As someone who greatly enjoys drama, the Zelda “debacle” is probably more entertaining than playing any of these 2 games could ever be.

    • MindFever

      trust me Horizon is really good:) but yes this fucking retarded drama by snowflake portion of zelda fanbase is entertaining as fuck.
      It’s so hypocritical though… It is exactly how children and kids behave and react. Isn’t surprising since the demographics for Nintendo has a huge chunk of very very young people

  • Aran Eardley

    Its a shame people can’t just review games for what they are, either good or bad. One of the problems big review sites or magazines have are the people that review the game are people that have reviewed the other ones in the past and the reason why they got asked to review them in the 1st place was because they said they liked them games (most likely).
    Here with our boy Jim is that he does all sorts of different games he plays them if they are good or bad and he gives ‘his’ view on the game, if people don’t like it then stuff them!

    The whole Metabombing because some games are doing well and you don’t like the fact that is happening is just share childish its basically just walking around the playground as a kid and passing on dirt/rumours about other kids its bullying.

    But its the internet people have their free speech even if they don’t deserve it.

  • Sperium3000

    Meanwhile CD Projekt Red and Guerrila keep exchanging fanart of Aloy and Geralt just hanging out and being super buddies.

    • Drew Taylor

      Wait really? That is a thing that is happening? That makes me so happy on the inside.

      • Artemiy

        Look up CD Projekt Red on Twitter. It is happening.

      • Sapphire Crook

        They exchanged picture, it’s kinda cute!

    • Yeah that’s been great. And I bet people who worked on Zelda would be charmed as fuck if Aloy and Link were chilling together too.

      Because the people actually making these games are nowhere near as invested in this territorial garbage as the fanatics claiming to love them.

      • Jake Wilson

        Except Nintendo would probably report the fanart as copyright infringement… xD

        • There is that, yes. 🙂

        • HisDivineOrder

          Don’t worry. I’m sure there’s a pr0nz version of that very scenario playing out in the mind of some Brazzier filmmaker’s imagination.

      • Deepsouth

        The fanatics are the children. You let children/internet trolls get the best of you. Then resort to insulting an entire fanbase. Fact is, 95% of Nintendo fans have no clue who Jim Sterling is, nor do they care about the mostly positive review that you gave BotW. The 5% that do know you are more upset with the way you talk about Nintendo fans than the mostly positive review.

        • Christopher Hammond

          You don’t read so good, do you? If you try reading that again, without your outrage tinted glasses, you might notice that Mr Sterling isn’t referring to an entire fanbase. I’m a fan and he sure ain’t talking shit about me. Take your glasses off and try reading it again.

          p. s. I don’t know who you are, either.

        • Roc

          I’ve never heard of you either

  • MindFever

    check-effin-mate

  • Oscar Andreasson

    While I think this outrage is a serious problem and people who do it need some kind of help I think it all comes from part of the nintendo hardcores beeing worried about the future. The Wii U was a big flop and Nintendo needs a home console that does well and from this worry there has been a big kneejerk reaction against anything even remotely negative. I just hope that with the sales numbers beeing reported this can calm down and you can go back to focusing on your work again

  • I should have just bought Halo Wars 2 so I can enjoy the game as is.

    I have Zelda and am enjoying it a lot, but it’s not perfect, it has so many problems. Horizon looks like a fun concept but I know i’d get bored of it.

    Wish fanboys would leave each-other alone.

    • A good thing about Horizon is that it’s not terribly long (I did about 50 hours with 86% completion), and the stuff that can eventually get more repetitive (like the hunting trials) can safely be ignored. It felt challenging and interesting throughout the main story line and sidequests. Yeah, if they had tried to make it longer by cramming in more sidequests without also adding more unique enemies, I’m fairly sure it would’ve started feeling boring. And I’m fairly happy that they didn’t fill it in with a lot of that cookie cutter content. I felt like it respected my time.

  • Dragan Lukic

    “We want fewer payed-for review scores! Less homogenization of game Journalism!”

    “OMG this one one “reviewer” didn’t score my favorite game the same as all the other reviewers! Burn them!”

    /sarcasm

    • BAH!

      The real irony is that the very same people who screech about “honest reviews” will stoop to metabomb a game.

      • Hunter Zolomon

        Its brilliant isn’t it haha

    • TheOvermatt

      It’s like how when WB Games straight up got sued for failing to enforce the disclosure of paid content for their Shadow of Mordor videos, the “ethics in games journalism” crowd was freaking silent.

  • Beathil Tenchijeff

    They both look a little dull to me. I would not buy either at full price.

  • Meanwhile, this Zelda fan is considering if it’s better to get a copy of the Wii U version or to wait until purchasing a Switch has become… less economically irresponsible.

    Also, Horizon has me seriously considering getting a PS4 in a not too distant future…

    • Silvershock

      Do what I’m doing – play Horizon now, wait for Cemu to get BOTW running properly, then grab the U version of that and play it at a higher res without the shitty performance issues. Zelda apparently runs like dogshit, Horizon on my PS4 Pro runs very nicely indeed.

    • Artemiy

      I wonder if my waiting game with Switch will pay off. If it does, I’ll gladly play Breath of the Wild.

  • Harrowing

    Man, I wish I could apologize on behalf of other Zelda fans, because Jesus god they’re embarrassing. Console and brand warriors weird me out and I will never understand them.

  • anomalous material

    Wait, what? What the fuck is this insanery? Buy a game to *enjoy* it? You, sir, clearly do not understand that games are not meant to be enjoyed. They are a fine and delicate bouquet, to be savoured and appreciated!

    Pah! Enjoyed.

    Don’t make me tweet inane, bigoted garbage at you! I will!, just you wait!

  • Beej

    Aloy would beat link down easier than shooting a watcher’s eye. Discuss?

    • SaburoDaimando

      And then Twilight Sparkle would force them both to become friends, so we can all have Apple Pie together.

      Seriously, I would pair them both together. Even more so if Link were female.

      • Artemiy

        Thanks for that image in my head.

        • SaburoDaimando

          Sure thing. And I don’t care if that’s sarcasm. XP

          • Artemiy

            It’s noooooot~ I’m legitimately imagining Aloy and feminine Link on Rainbow Dash and Applejack, charging some dark monsters. 🙂

          • Lloyd

            And now we’re going to have gigabytes of Aloy and Linkle erotica popping up everywhere…

          • Artemiy

            As if that wouldn’t have happened anyway. ^_^

          • Lloyd

            I’d be disappointed in the Internet if there wasn’t plenty already ;3

          • Artemiy

            Give it time. The Internet seems to be mostly interested in Link x that shark boy right now.

          • InfamousDS

            He’s a great character, I can see why.

  • Niall

    As a militant Xbox One fan, I think they both look shite.

    • Fallen Prime

      …at least you’re self-aware about it?

    • Jake Wilson

      Have fun playing Scalebound! =)

      • I wish I could play Scalebound. 🙁

        • Dragongelf

          SHHHH!

          Don’t wake the wrath of the /other/ other fanbase of zealots!

          It’s time to choose a side, Jim!

    • nikolas orava

      As a PC gamer, can’t wait to emulate both of them and shame there aren’t any good xbox one games i can emulate in the future.

      • Watchmedance

        You don’t have to emulate future Xbox releases anyway, since they’ll likely be part of the Play Anywhere thing.

    • Tuukka Aro

      Why is being a fan of a platform even a thing? You don’t “get” to buy a console to play games, you have to. Is spending money on the latest black piece of plastic really something to be a fan of?

    • Watchmedance

      So you stockpile weapons and rations in your basement in preparation for the real console wars that will never arrive?

  • hotdamnitsdan

    I remember being about 12, in 1997.

    My school had a few computers with a rudimentary internet connection in the library, and during break, from time to time, I would go and use one. I was into drawing, as well as video-games, and I would pore over fan art from my favourite games, the kind I could only dream of being able to draw, the kind that took all of ten minutes to load one image, due to the ”potato” nature of the internet back then.

    One girl in particular did pretty incredible pencil sketches of original characters based on the style of Ocarina of Time’s promotional art. I thought it was fantastic, and would print out as many images as I could on my half-hour lunch break, and try to emulate (badly) that style in the evenings at home.

    I remember chatting through email and some antiquated chat software to these people about our shared interests. I found it thrilling that I could connect with someone on the other side of the world, that I could now converse with them, near instantaneously, because of the internet! I would sometimes imagine, while watching the sunset over my bland little city in England, that the guys I had spoke to that day, well, perhaps their days were just starting a thousand miles and a 45 degree curve of the world away, in some alien town that I’d never see, or maybe it was midnight, or whatever. It was an exhilarating thought. The future was gonna be cool.

    Jump to 19 years (19 years? Holy moley I’m old) later. DDOS. ”Metabombing”A any video-games outlet’s comments section.

    Man, things aren’t how I thought they’d be.

    Damn…

    • Miles Saintborough

      Sad how things have become, yeah? Nowadays just admitting that you’re a fan of anything will get you weird looks, like “Oh, you’re THAT fan”

      • Dragongelf

        I too give my fan weird looks when it speaks up rather than just blow air.

        Appliances need no thoughts of their own.

        • Artemiy

          Just like Cornflake Homunculus.

          • hotdamnitsdan

            I feel like the budget for the Cornflake Homuculus was pretty low. At least they used Kellogg’s though huh. Could have gone with off-brand cereal and saved a few bob.

          • InfamousDS

            It’s a brand deal though. I doubt Kelloggs is losing so much money they can’t afford to use their own cereal in supernatural abominations.

    • In 1997 most people were not using the WWW. Today, everyone is. That’s the difference I’m afraid 🙂

  • RipTide

    Meta bombing – “This random website that averages review scores is getting the wrong average, I better go put in an extreme score to swing it to what I think it is because I don’t understand that averages of review scores mean less than nothing when said scores are an entirely subjective opinion.”

    • Watchmedance

      I don’t know many sane people who look at User Reviews on Metacritic out of anything other than morbid curiosity.

  • RoanarTheFruitiful

    IMO this entire debacle has been ludicrous from start to finish. If the game hasn’t received a 10 from every single outlet and from every single user Nintendo fanboys have gone on an outrage and targeted user metacritic scores of another game (“because they did it first”), hounded a well respected critic, DDOS’d his website and worse behaviour all over a game….. a game!! Pathetic.

    I support you Jim! Don’t let anyone stop you……. I was also honoured to be featured on your last Jimquisition defending your honour 😉

  • Sir Faulty

    What a sad piece to read that these peoples self-worth is all tied to a single game. These poor souls need genuine help lest they become the next reason we have a Columbine or movie house shooting.

  • Skias

    Some of these fans should have spent that 60 bones on therapy.

    • Nathan Aldana

      Unfortunately if they live in the US, 60 bones aint gonna cut it for affording therapy.

      • You’d be lucky to afford to look at a therapist’s office door with that much scratch.

        • Mikko Kari

          Given that they had to also buy the Switch, I guess they could’ve gotten at least one session out of it. Y’know, like if they didn’t also buy their iPhones, they might afford healthcare.

          • For the record though, I recommend therapy to practically anybody because I think everybody would benefit from it.

            Not that I practice what I preach. I am too busy doing work that I probably need therapy for. 😀

          • Artemiy

            I’m trying to imagine a therapy session with Jim Sterling… The comedy just writes itself.

          • Y’all might not have to imagine for long.

          • That was me building hype for something btw.

          • Spanglish J

            Ooh now that is something to look forward to!

          • DJ OakeyDoakey

            OHHH building hype for something, wild speculation time.
            I reckon Jim is quitting being a games critic to start a psychology and mental therapy website with Patreon. Then Freud fanboys will DDOS attack his site because he said Freud was ‘good’ but not ‘great’.

          • Wolfie

            I read that in the voice of Laura.

            Just sayin’.

          • InfamousDS

            If Western FPS was any indication of this new bold move, then I’m fine with it. A little bit of talking it out in public is apparently why some stand-up comedians continue to do the job.

          • Artemiy

            Sorry Jim. Bad joke?

          • Martin Rossing

            I just so very dearly want a therapy session where I lie on a couch and Jim Fucking Sterling Son delves into my subconscious.

  • JeronimoPW

    Today gaming media is the worst cancer on earth. I personally think that promoting these dumb-users who “hates” one game and love the other, will just make it worse. This will encourage Metacritic to be flooded with nonsensical comments from users just for attention. I don’t even know why in the hell users reviews exists on Metacritic!

    OPENCRITIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> METACRITIC

    • So something you see no point in existing might have even less point in existing… and that’s why games media is “cancer.”

      I’d just ignore it if you don’t care for it, mate. Stick to OpenCritic.

      OpenCritic’s a really good website, actually. Like ’em a lot.

      • JeronimoPW

        Yes, I can live with Opencritic and Steam users reviews for the rest of my life. And be happy forever 🙂

        • Mikko Kari

          Steam user reviews do need quite a bit of a sieve to actually be useful in many cases. I’ve seen cases where a game is ‘utter shit’ because the ‘reviewer’ didn’t win against everyone in PVP (For Honor – for reference). Not that it’s usually difficult to weed out the worst chaff.

          • Watchmedance

            My favorite is when Steam users recommend a shit game just to try to be funny.

          • Gorantharon

            Yes, but I find that often these reviews tell me more about what peope actually cared about or what annoyed them in a game than the ones of professional critics.

            That’s why I like Jim. I seriousloy disagree on, well, a lot of his reviews, but he always explains why and what the fuck the game’s on about. I’ve bought games happily after reading a Jim critique, because I knew what I was getting.

          • Scott Neil

            Perhaps some sort of light questionnaire after the review asking why you gave the review you did?,then we could find out if they genuinely didn’t like it or are just having a huff.

  • Josh Albinet

    Hey Jim,

    By any chance can you do an article or video on the views of horizon being part of the feminist agenda? it seems to be going around alot and would like to hear your views.

    • Artemiy

      If it’s the same feminist agenda that The Force Awakens and Rogue One are apparently the part off, I don’t think there’d be much content.

      • RoanarTheFruitiful

        Haha and don’t forget Mad Max Fury Road!

    • hotdamnitsdan

      ”The feminist agenda.” Being mortally incensed at the idea that a woman could be the protagonist in a marquee media release. Hmmm.

      • Watchmedance

        I mean, it’s like women are people or something. How dare half the population of the world be represented in movies or games!

        • Look, it’s all fine and dandy as long as those women get zero character depth and are just glorified sex objects. Because everyone knows female characters aren’t ALLOWED to have character depth!

          • Wolfie

            No no, you got it wrong.

            If they have character depth, it just means they suffer from hysteria! *bringing it old school*

      • Scott Neil

        Did everybody somehow forget Samus and Lara?,we’ve had female protagonists since the dawn of gaming proper.

    • I’d just repeat what I said in the Jimquisition episode “Oh, Virginia.”

      It’s more or less the same ridiculous issue. Game treats women as people, handful of total weapons thinks it’s a scary agenda that’ll wipe them out.

      • InfamousDS

        Not to mention that Zelda itself has a ton of female supporting cast, all of them at the very least interesting and unique if they were scripted characters and not just NPCs.

        It isn’t Feminist because Link is a boy. If we had gotten Linkle like everyone lost their shit over not happening in the beforetimes, then this game would have gotten sexist cries as well. Considerably less though, being that it is the golden cow of which no wrong can ever be perceived.

        (As a hardcore Zelda fan, allow to to unilaterally state that the durability is shit and Nintendo has no idea how to do it properly. It was shit in Wind Waker/Twilight Princess for stolen weapons, it was shit in Skyward for shields and environmental objects, and it is most definitely shit now in Breath of the Wild. YMMV on Stamina though, I thought it was alright except when it rains because I main the climbing gear).

  • Bashtarle

    Personally while I think Horizon ultimately did it better, they are both pretty solid games. Sorta confuses me why they can’t both exist without someone somewhere totally flipping their shit.

    Also nice to see you finally seem to have gotten your site back to normal after the last few days of DDOS tantrums.

  • Chris Thrasher

    Identity politics are a pain. How dare you not like a thing I like. Or like a thing I do not like!

  • Dave

    Fandom rivalries between consoles haven’t changed it seems.

    I recall when I was in primary school the kids use to get in to arguments about whether Super Mario World of Sonic The Hedgehog was the better game. Mostly because the kids had only either a SNES or Mega Drive (Genesis in Australia).

    I’m willing to bet the majority of these users are kids who don’t know any better. And if some of these users are adults, that’s just pathetically sad.

    • Kevin Wilson

      I’d call that bet, and expose the majority of Nintendo fans as nerds in their 20’s or 30’s

  • Germanicus

    So are the Zelda snowflakes all back in their safe spaces now?

    Not surprised at the vitriol directed towards Jim for his review, essentially these people are grown ups who rave about games where the main character is a pre-pubescent boy dressed in a cutesy Peter Pan outfit who runs around fighting monsters with a little toy bow and wooden sword

    Even the look of Zelda games with their crayola/fisher price colour palletts and character design looks like it’s aimed at kids.

    It’s no wonder they couldn’t take Jim’s review objectively and instead starting throwing their toys out of their prams. Embarrassing really.

    • Kevin Wilson

      There is something damn funny to me when I see death threats and vitriol from Nintendo fans, not that this behaviour should be accepted in any way but I try to find humour in everything. There is hilarity and irony in the fans of a kid-friendly gaming company getting that angry and pissed off about their kiddy games.

      Imagine a grown up guy in his 20/30’s, the hardcore Nintendo fan from the 90’s, sitting with his Nintendo Switch playing Zelda at 700p, then sending death threats online to people who don’t like it as much. hahaha

      You just know this person would fold like a cheap suit to any threat of violence IRL.

  • sagelobu

    Huh, i feel in a weird spot considering I own both of these games and am pretty much finishing up horizon right after I beat BotW. Course this is all an attempt to finish two games before persona 5 comes out so maybe I’m just an outlier.

    Or maybe I just like video games and don’t lose my shit too often.
    (btw, I will probably lose my shit on persona 5)

  • Watchmedance

    As an Xbox gamer, maybe I should get on Metacritic to join in on the fun. Maybe throw a few 0/10 scores around.

    That’s what fans do, right? Overreact and lash out with impotent rage?

  • Terriosaurus Hex

    IN B4…Oh, nevermind.

    Anyway, it’s time to learn about “projection” kiddos, cos I’m getting a little bored of using the word, but it’s so very common especially online.

    Projection:

    Description –
    When a person has uncomfortable thoughts or feelings, they may project these onto other people, assigning the thoughts or feelings that they need to repress to a convenient alternative target.

    Projection may also happen to obliterate attributes of other people with which we are uncomfortable. We assume that they are like us, and in doing so we allow ourselves to ignore those attributes they have with which we are uncomfortable.

    – Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.

    – Complementary projection is assuming that others do, think and feel in the same way as you.

    – Complimentary projection is assuming that others can do things as well as you.

    Projection also appears where we see our own traits in other people, as in the false consensus effect. Thus we see our friends as being more like us than they really are.

    If you want to learn more, then fucking Google it, cos I can’t link anything on here. Have a nice day, kiddos! 😉

  • Robby

    Jim is obviously part of the Kissboy Conspiracy, a secret cabal of game reviewers trying to tank Zelda’s metacritic score by giving it a good review.

  • RoanarTheFruitiful

    Hey Jim, will you be covering some more of the Zelda subject on the podquisition this week or will it be a different subject?

  • Zoge of Wowbania

    It’s becoming something of a mark of the times we live in for people to do awful shit on the pretence that people they disagree with are doing awful shit.

    It’s especially galling when they get stuck in with being unpleasant without troubling to check whether the stuff they’ve heard the people they disagree with actually happened.

    RIP victims of the Bowling Green massacre, Obama’s private wiretapping team, and the entire population of Sweden.

  • Gorantharon

    And STILL Horizon has the higher user score.

    • Joku

      Mostly because other side of Fanboy have attacked Botw metacritic. Over 1000 have gave it 0 because they cannot accept 98/97 metascore.. It very hypocrite to blame just Zelda fan… when all of fanboys are fucking shit… I felt like Jim was also salty for the metascore… he made video and twitter tweet about the score.

      • Fallen Prime

        No one is denying that there are shitty people on Metacritic who wanna bring the new Zelda down a peg. There are shitty people on EVERY site who wanna take EVERYTHING down SEVERAL pegs.

        But they’re drive-bys, as Jim said. The Zelda zealots, by contrast, are somehow coordinating.

        • Ditto. I have seen that on EVERYTHING for the most pathetic reasons you could think of. Out there somewhere, someone hates the Witcher 3 because Triss didn’t come out of the game and give him a blowjob.

        • Joku

          This is nothing new. I dont know why Jim is making this big thing. I seen tons of Sony fans shitting for gaming outlet for giving their favorite game very low score..

    • Buscava

      User reviews are pointless honestly. Most people either give a perfect score or a 0/1.

      They’re really only useful for me if a game as a critic score of 60-70 as sometimes the user reviews have specific user experiences that might apply to me.

  • Mark Webster

    Zelda fans need to chill the fuck out.

    • RoanarTheFruitiful

      Or maybe just become a bit more alert that their company doesn’t love them as much as they love the company.

  • Gorantharon

    But Jim, it makes perfect sense that they do what they accuse others of, in their minds this is the normal behaviour towards another game, so they logically assume everyone else thinks similarily.

  • Harvey Chesterfield

    Good to see the pissbabies put more effort into shutting down your website than gathering any evidence whatsoever.

  • Alex

    My God, you are acting so childish lately is embarrassing. Everyone outside your blind fanbase know you gave Zelda a 7 just to create a shitstorm and play the victim role later, even the review itself was too positive for a 7 but an 8 wasn’t scandalous enough for your intentions. You may feel validate here in your echo chamber but the reality is you have actually lost a lot of respect from a lot of people.

    • Watchmedance

      Gained respect from me for being a critic that is actually critical of games instead of gushing over how amazing something is.

    • RoanarTheFruitiful

      Lost respect because he didn’t give it 10/10?

      Oh please…

    • Irony Police, arrest this man.

      • ThinkingClass

        He’s buzzing like a fridge!

    • Harvey Chesterfield

      Or perhaps Mr. Jim doesn’t give a fuck about what other reviewers and webistes use as an average, and scored it 7 because that’s what he, a reviewer, in his own opinion, though the game was worth.

      • Totalbiscuit thinks the reviewers giving it perfects are complete idiots, especially for ignoring the poor performance of the game, which he calls broken by design X3

        • Gorantharon

          Can you imagine the youtube money a “I will now talk about how BotW is a solid 5/10 for 55 minutes!” video would get him?

        • Kevin Wilson

          thank you for reminding me of the TB salt gif to reply to the OP with 🙂

    • Captain Pipsqueak

      Really? Who? The people who DDoS’d him for two days? Who cares about what they think?

      • anomalous material

        No one knows what it’s like
        To be a DDoSer
        To be a LoSer
        To living in my parents basement

        No one knows what it’s like
        To love a game too much
        And care so much
        I have to hurt others just cause

        But my life
        It is so empty

        etc
        😀

    • Mad Rathalos

      What an asshole, commenting on the reality of the shit that is actually happening.

    • GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

      After how you acted in the comments of the review, YOU calling anyone childish feels so much like cluelessness.

      • waaa, he doesn’t like zelda as much as me. Waaa, he said the game was GOOD! waaaaa, I need to ddos his website because i’m entitled!

      • Watchmedance

        He made his comment history private apparently to hide his hypocrisy.

    • Terriosaurus Hex

      Yet here you are, obsessing over what he’s doing…

    • Oh goodie. You’re still around.

    • Fallen Prime

      He just revised the phrasing of this review at the request of a single person who felt the language he used could be construed as ableist, because he valued that person’s point and the merits of the discussion of language.

      But no, HE’S the childish one here.

    • Maddy

      You’re precious <3

    • InigoMontoya13

      Seriously though, wtf is wrong with a 7 anyway. I would have given it a 5 because it’s pretty middle of the road ok.

    • Anonymouselouse

      From Jim’s review score guide which you can find at the top right corner of this very page: “7 (Good): A 7 represents a favorable slice of entertainment that ought to prove welcome in the right house. Not the most glamorous, polished, or jawdropping, but most definitely good for a chuckle or two.”

      He doesn’t use the same scale that other major review sites use. My favorite example is assassins creed 3, an absolute piece of shit boring game with bad gameplay and a shit story that garnered an 8.5 from IGN. (Only 1.5pts, a small margin, worse than your beloved Zelda. Wrap your brain around that.)

      He stated the flaws In his review. He REALLY hated that weapon degradation system. And you know what? I agree. I’m pretty immersed in breath of the wild right now and I’m loving it. However, when Jim talks about skipping fights to not break his cool weapons I know what he’s talking about because I often do the same. Does it bother me as much as it does Jim? No. But can I understand why he would give the game a 7, with his scale being much more adaptable than most shitty review sites who are too afraid of publishers and cock heads like you to score things appropriately? Yes. Yes I can. Grow up.

      • …but I loved AC3.

        • Anonymouselouse

          Eh. Well you’re entitled to that. Can’t say I see what you like though. I think the breaking point for me with that game is when I realized there was zero need to stealth because even when you’re supposed to be stealthy you can just run headlong into the fight and still complete the mission, when I realized that there’s no reason to pick up collectibles (in the second game you got cutscenes and shit because the franchise still had an overarching story…you know..an actual POINT) when I realized there’s no reason to get money because you can only buy stuff for the boats which you barely ever use and only outside of story missions, when Connor turned out to be the most boring character in an AC game to date, and when I realized they had completely sacrificed any story contributing to the arch of the first two games even though a conclusion was promised because they wanted to milk the cash cow as a yearly serial for as long as possible.

          Opinions may differ but with that many glaring flaws, the universal 8s and 9s that game received pushed me to only trust independent reviewers like him and angry joe who actually use the whole 10 point scale. Because they won’t lose access and credentials if they score a game below an 8. They won’t cower to Bethesda when it says “oh none of our games will have prelaunch code because we don’t want negative reviews hurting our sales figures.” They won’t shy from giving a game a fair score because their outlets access to ad clicks on embargo day depends on sucking the skin off the bell end of the game industry.

          Long and short: I disagree slightly with jims Zelda review. Not that I don’t see the same problems he does, but because they didn’t bother me as much. And that’s fine. It’s a fair review. Anyone who can’t see that didn’t read or can’t read or is a man/woman child.

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      Listen, you are the one who thinks it’s ‘funny’ to tell reviewers to go kill themselves for a /good/ review of a game. You have no credibility here to tell anyone anything. So please, kindly fuck back off to whatever stone you crawled out of on reddit to complain about how much you hate women in games media or whatever it is you usually spend your time doing.

    • Wolfie

      “…feel validate here in your echo chamber…”
      Coming from someone who’s crazy-as-fuck fanbase who DDOS’d his site, told him to kill himself, attacked his wife in one comment I saw, and brought crippling embarrassment to the gaming community, and you’re here, on his site, bitching about “echo chambers?

      Fuck off.

      “Lost a lot of respect from a lot of people.”
      From who? You little shitheads that gave less a fuck about him than Trump does about anyone not named Trump?

      I repeat, fuck off.

    • Kevin Wilson
      • How on Earth did I missed this gif? It’s actually flawless.

        • Kevin Wilson

          my favourite. I have to wield it on this site often 🙂

    • Mewshuji

      Since when has a 7 been bad? It’s not even mediocre. It’s GOOD.
      Game scores are NOT school grades.

    • Buscava

      Jesus Christ Jim didn’t even give the game the lowest review. Two other critic reviews are 6/10. A game doesn’t have to get 100% from everybody to be great. Critics help consumers make purchasing decisions – with a variety of different scores you can see all points of view on the product.

      A 7/10 is a GOOD SCORE for a GOOD GAME. He didn’t like the game as much as you – move on and play the fucking game instead of wasting your life on pointless shit like this.

  • Kate Smith

    “Unanimous”, probably, rather than “unilateral”.

    But more importantly, these people are tragic. I love games. I live games. Not these particular games, I admit, but games are a central part of my life and identity. But even still: fuck, guys. They’re just games, ffs.

  • squid spitt

    Lets just take a step back and take a breather……….& give them both a nice round 9/10 for each of them!? That”‘ll do it DONKEY…..that’ll do!!!!!LOL

  • Captain Pipsqueak

    I completely ignore the user scores whenever I go to Metacritic, simply because fanboys can do shit like this.

    • RoanarTheFruitiful

      You mean a description like
      “0/10. gAme Scks. Not on(list preferred platform). Boreing”…..
      I mean that’s rather an enticing review right?

    • Mark Darcy

      I completely igonore Metacritic altogether because of shit like this!

    • sumd00d

      user reviews are worthless everywhere, not just on metacritic.

      • I would think that a FEW reviews on steam have SOME critici-

        it’s crap again, isn’t it?

        • sumd00d

          I mean sometimes people post a well written review that they have clearly put a lot of thought into but it’s going to buried under a mountain of shit. The scores and the average are always 100% worthless wherever user reviews are allowed.

          • It is annoying. The only way they could be decent is if, like a business looking through applications, if they look shit, toss em, and if they look decent, take a closer look and then approve.

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      This is also why user reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are so awful. You can see dozens of either perfect or awful reviews written before the movie is even out saying ‘this movie looks like libtard garbage’ or ‘this movie is great even if the LAMESTREAM media tells you otherwise!’ There really is no point in even pretending those reviews mean anything. But like Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic wants traffic and clicks, so they let those people whine and bitch and moan because they come back again and again and again to do it.

  • GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

    “Will somebody cue that damn troll?!”

    Samurai Reviewer Boglins.
    Oh yeah!
    Who do you call when you want some Journalizm?

    Samurai Reviewer Boglins
    Right on!
    They’re stampin’ out game mechanics and you know that ain’t semantics.

    There’s Jim Stirling: he wears a suit and tie.
    A heck of a reviewer, Makes a heck of a bi.

    And Laura Kate Dale who’s never afraid,
    Of going into battle when the Metacritic crowd invade.

    There’s Conrad Zimmerman, a wild card and a hunk.
    When the video game movies gets down, he ready to get drunk.

    Samurai Reviewer Boglins, they’re so rad,
    they’ve got more credibility than any Peter Molyneux ever had.

    They’re stronger than moldy old spunk (Stronger than moldy old spunk)
    Stronger than a witch hunt (Stronger than a witch hunt)
    If you try to sue them, then you’re gonna get punked. (Don’t punk me)

    Samurai Reviewer Boglins.
    They’re fightin crime,
    All over the gaming space
    3-2-1, Reviewer Bolgins are on the run

    The big Executives are the villans, they’re lower than low.
    It’s a bit of a shame they have so much power and control.

    We’ve got our nasty Bad Konami and his nasty Nintendo fans.
    As soon as someone finds the Coca Cora, we might begin the show.

    Sit right back, pick up a seat and turn the sound up high,
    and if you want the full effect, insert a dildo and tremble at the thighs!

    Samurai Reviewer Boglins!

  • MrJechgo

    Huh… may I request an actual comparison chart between the two games? I feel like Jim should break down both respective scores into smaller ones and explain what game did this aspect better than the other. Y’know, comparing story, world, main character, gameplay mecanics, villain, graphics, replay value, etc.

    I get that Jim usually long reviews, but I feel like a chart would give a better and quickier overview for both games.

    P.S. I’m currently playing BotW, and no, I haven’t played HZD, due to lacking a PS4. However, I’m not someone who bash on other games because I favor one game or console over another.

    • Kevin Wilson

      not asking for much are you?

    • Travis Touchdown

      If anyone didn’t that, it would quickly become apparent that Horizon can’t compete in the slightest.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      This is a horrible idea with no merit except providing fuel for meaningless squabbles.

      Was I absent when they announced that we need to choose 10 games to keep and all others will be destroyed, so we need to compare and contrast what we have? Why won’t we create such charts for BotW vs Witcher, Dragon Age, the Gothic series, CoD, FIFA and Cooking Mama?

      Bloody riddicolous. Just enjoy your damn games.

  • -Misaki-

    And here I am, don’t care about metacritic but now I am happy about the 89 Nier Automata got only cause Yoko Taro tweets the score as it means so much to him due to being unrecognized game in the industry.

    Some Nintendo fans are truely immature.

    • TheOvermatt

      Yeah, I’ve only ever cared to see if lesser-known titles are doing well critically because that could actually have an impact on how well they do sales-wise. Nobody is still on the fence about how they feel about Uncharted or Zelda.

  • ThinkingClass

    I’m surprised none of the savy Zelda fundamentalists has started calling none 10 out of 10’s for BoTw; “Alternate Review”.

    To paraphrase President Cunt, “Any negative Reviews are fake reviews”.

  • Michael Docis

    It’s honestly people like this that sometimes make it hard for me to be a Zelda fan. I love the games to death, but it’s embarrassing to think that I might be compared with these toxic people just because of that.

  • Sperium3000

    So I translated both your Zelda review and this article to Brazilian Portuguese. You didn’t answer me at all about the Horizon review, so I’m assuming you don’t mind me doing this.

  • Rover86

    Can we make some kind of registry of people who elevate specific videogames to some sort of holy immutable cause which must be fought for and defended with the rabid brainless zeal of a religious fanatic? Then if there’s ever a major food crisis or something we know these….cretins can be safely culled from the population.

    These have GOT to be the saddest fucking creatures in existence.

    • ThinkingClass

      Maybe not all existence lol you’ve clearly never witnessed Morris Dancers.

  • Look Jim, all I wanted was a 100% objective review. Don’t tell me your opinion. Just report about the game. Is it a game? Are there characters? Do you swing a sword? Don’t tell me what you liked or didn’t like because then it’s not objective anymore.

    But you know, still give it a score by which I can judge you.

    • Here is one for you.

      Legend of Zelda BotW is a game; it is an action game; it is an action game with an open world. BotW has you swing a sword, gather more swords, fight monsters, fight bigger monsters, cook food, and solve puzzles.

      A short objective review, i give it objective review/10

      • *unzips his pants* Oh yeah. That’s what I’m talking about.

        • glad i could please^^

        • Ian

          This got real weird, real fast.

          • DJ OakeyDoakey

            How so? Objectivity always gives me a rock-on.

          • Ian

            Oh, me too. But whatever happened to foreplay, or building up to the juicy stuff?

      • Chris Schwartz-Brown

        This review is horribly biased, it doesn’t mention rubber fish masks even once. Clearly Sony bought you off!!! I give your review horrible biased/10.

      • melancholicthug

        Idk, IMO there’s not enough objectivity. How “open” is an “open world”? I need you to objectibly measure that using precise metrics. How many is “more” swords? How “bigger” are those monsters? Measured against what? What is the % in which they increment in size?

        Not enough objectivity. I will now angrily tweet at you all week. Good day, sir!

    • -Misaki-

      Yea it’s beyond me how people truely think there is an objective review, if that’s the case all games get 10/10 cause “they did what they do”, ironically they only bring up “you have to make objective review” when they are not satisfied with the score their favorite game got.

      • I love when people honestly try to argue that you can have an objective review. They don’t seem to understand that EVERY reviewer comes in with their own biases and experiences.

    • K.C.

      > All I wanted was a 100% objective review.
      Funny joke AND a nice call-back to one of Jim’s early videos titled “The 100% Objective Review”.

    • astra

      Even worse cus everything would be 5/10 lol

  • UnbeatableSG

    Just saw a bunch of zelda fans spamming a kotaku article about horizon patch notes.

    Its ridiculous.

  • Arella Jardin

    I’d like to believe one, just one, of those fools sees this article, sees their user name displayed and sees how lopsided the Metabombing is… and feels a twinge of genuine shame. Just one. One person not quite so far up their own butt, one that still has a degree of self awareness, and can grow a little as a person.

    Just one.

    I dream big.

    • UnbeatableSG

      They’ll just say jim’s lying.
      But of course they wont go check for themselves. Too much effort.

      • Artemiy

        OMG hi Doreen! 😀

        • UnbeatableSG

          I’m sorry you seem to have mistaken me for an ESU computer science student.

          Who most certainly is NOT a superhero with and awesome tail.

          • Artemiy

            Haha yup! She just has a suspiciously large and suspiciously awesome butt. 😉

    • Buscava

      Oh they all see it, but I guarentee not one of them reads it, and they skip to the comment section to hurl insults and incomprehensible dribble.

  • What they fail to realize is the User Score means nothing

    • Andrew Barloq

      Yeah but that’s also why they’re so up in arms with Jim, since he affected the Metascore, which holds way more value.

  • Peter O’Hanraha-hanrahan

    All that time I thought Miller was being silly at videogamer with his constant “Nintendo/zelda is for babies” shtick.

    But if the reaction to Jim’s less that 8 out of 10 review is anything to go by then it proves that trolling aside he was actually closer to the truth than anyone would care to admit.

    This shit is shameful. I can’t even imagine how insecure you’d have to be to attack a website for not giving something you like a 10/10. The most pathetic example of first world problems you will see this year.

  • nothing to add. You’re amazing Jim. Everyone should be able to enjoy what they want, instead of trying to force other to validate their taste or money investment… i’ve got a Wii U, a PC, a PS4 and a X1, and i’m playing happily BOTH OF THESE GAME !!

  • SilentPony

    Hax! You do not love Breath of the Wild the proper amount Sterling! Now I shall upload a deadly computer virus and bring the whole Internet down! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0701e5ec59169c6931328231cf125c7e6170cee72a1da19b842e530bd328ec10.gif

  • Spanglish J

    I just don’t understand why people put in so much time to try and discredit someone over an opinion of a game they like, especially when it is a positive one. Can’t people like a game without having to be utterly infatuated by it?

    We are supposed to be rational human beings right? We should be able to have a civil discussion over why we feel differently about a piece of entertainment.

    • Harzzach SeniorGamer

      Emotional dependency. This is a serious mental condition, even a disorder in extreme cases like not being able to leave an abusive spouse, forgiving this person every bad deed and mistreatment.

      In the case of fanatical “fans” (you see, where the word fan derives from?), its a simple connection between selfworth and a physical or ideological “thing”. Every critic directed at this thing is conceived as a direct attack on this person. And what do you do, when you are attacked? You lash out as hard as you can at the source of the critic. Because you feel threatend. And you need CONSTANT praise of this “thing” because only this praise makes you feel good, because you have no sense of worth of your own, no selfworth.

      Young people, children tend to behave like this, because they mostly havent lived enough years to develope a stable selfworth. If a grown up behaves like this … this person actually needs help!

  • ThinkingClass

    Hey at least no one is suing you for emotional distress caused by your 7/10 review.

    Silver linings Jim

    • Andrew Barloq

      Yet.

  • Gaz

    It’s a small but vocal core of toxic insecure fanatics who possibly have mental issues and or are very low in confidence, because let’s face it, no rational people or someone with better things to do in their lives would react like these zealots do?

    They hate it when someone doesn’t like a game as much as they do. So as they probably don’t have much else going for them in life they view it as a personal attack on themselves and defend it because their precious game IS their life. The most important thing to them.. otherwise how else could you justify the abnormal reaction.

    I think Jim should attach a mental health care or phone number at the bottom of his reviews.

  • Aotrs Commander

    I wasn’t even able to make any comments on the various issues yestersay, thanks to the gentleman/ladies/small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri who saw fit to blow a gasket because Jim didn’t,like a thing as much as they thought he should like it…

    To those aforementioned individuals, here’s something that will blow your minds (though, yes, I know none of you will likely ever read it).

    (To those of you not among that crowd, the following is, of course, not directed at you and you may ignore it at your leisure.)

    I do not like Breath of the Wild.

    I do not like Zelda games, period.

    And I mean those statements in the most literal sense, as in “I feel no ‘like,’ no feeling of interest or engagement towards them.” It does not matter how good they are, how technically accomplished they are, how many tens of thousands of hours put into their deveopment. I will never like them. If you forced me to play one, I wouldn’t like it. If you forced me to review one, I wouldn’t like it (and would likely give it score that if, the prior statement has not upset you, to immolate yourself in a sudden burst of furious outrage).

    A sane and rational person would, of course, ascribe that to me simply not being interested in that sort of game (as I am in not in Tetris, shooters or sports games) – as I have also not said I *dis*like said games (because that would, of course, indicate that they have had some level of interaction with me). But seeing as we are apparently judging on the basis of “people not liking what you like,” I thought I perhaps ought to mention the very large number of people in the world (the *majority* if you can believe that) that honestly, genuinely and most heart-feltedly do not have the *slightest care* about what rating Breath of the Wild has; good, bad or indifferent.

    So, rather than get mad at Jim who actually likes the thing you like but not as much as you like it, perhaps you should get mad at the vast majority of the people in the world that will *never* like the thing you like even a little (and most of whom will never even have heard of it) and a much smaller subset of which will further look at your active digital aggression towards someone who did not like a thing you like as much as you think it should have been liked and give you a deeply pitying stare (and perhaps a patronising little rant, if your behavior has irritated them enough), before going on with the day, to do more important things, like basically *anything else*.

    Perhaps that anger will manifest in something useful, like a heart attack or a moment of clarity where you stop and wonder what exactly has brought you to this current state, where perhaps you can find a better use for your time.

    (Apologises, Jim, I did feel I needed to say that, and now I have, I feel a little better.)

  • Jon Coscio

    I can’t believe Jim didn’t mention the online petitions started to get low scores removed from Metacritic for certain games. I always thought the simplest way for Metacritic to solve the score issues, would be to use “Olympic” style scoring. Don’t include the top two or bottom two scores in the average.

  • Sned

    Both groups just as bad. Can we all just learn to enjoy the games we like, rather that piss on other peoples parades?

    • No! The side that isn’t my side must be irrevocably destroyed, never to be seen or heard from again!

    • ThinkingClass

      He’s picking on both groups…. GET HIM!!
      (Sarcasm)

      • Wolfie

        EVERYONE! GET YOUR PITCHFORKS AND DILDOS!

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          Ooh, now that sounds like a party I can get behind.

          • ThinkingClass

            You don’t want to be behind the pitchforks dildo party. Ya want to be in front of it ;-).

          • InfamousDS

            REASON WILL PREVAIL

        • Shui Gor

          What about a Master Sword?…..Oh, no, wait: THAT’S BREAKABLE TOO!!!!!!

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      Except his point is that explicitly both groups /aren’t/ just as bad. That’s false equivalence at its worse. ‘One side is doing something wrong, the other side isn’t, but at the end of the day can’t we just blame both sides equally and move on?’

      That’s the logic that got us a racist, sexist Russian agent in the Whitehouse and it does no good to use it here either.

      • Sned

        You do you. IMO I’ve seen the worst from both parties, and from what I can manage to gather, there are a small subset of people fighting for each side. You can’t tell me that there aren’t any idiots on the horizon side: there is. I can’t tell you which side is the worst: as I’ve said – I go to multiple websites, sources etc, and have seen idiots on both side. I don’t know how many.

        However, that stuff, to me, doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter whether there are more lifeless fanboys on either side. I just want it to stop. I just want people to be positive about every great game that’s released – whether you prefer zelda or horizon. Telling you which side is the worst wasn’t the point of my comment.

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          I haven’t played either, I don’t have a dog in this fight. All I know is that I’ve only seen fans of one game actively try to sabotage websites that gave their game bad reviews. Point to one case of Horizon fans doing that and you can say they’re even. Otherwise you have to admit one group of toxic, entitled little babies is acting worse than the usual toxic, entitled little babies that rabid gamers can be.

          I’m not claiming there are no bad Horizon fans, I’m saying that the Zelda fans are demonstrably behaving worse this time, on par with No Man’s Sky or Star Citizen ones.

          • Eon264

            This is a complete tangent, but it really kind of bugs me when people shit on star citizen… don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are a bunch of assholes fighting their own little crusade in RSI’s name (what game doesn’t have that) but I can honestly say I’ve never encountered one, and I contributed a long ass time ago. I haven’t been active on the forums in forever but when I was it seemed no different than any other forum. It could be different now, but from the few forays I’ve made to check on updates it’s mostly pedantic nerds arguing about engine designs, nothing unusual.

            What did they even do to earn this reputation? I’ve seen /way/ more people take runs at the star citizen crowd than the other way around, and normally it’s completely unprovoked. If you subscribe to Scott Manley there’s a decent chance you’ve seen what I’m talking about, people shitposting on unrelated KSP videos about how the game’s trash or something. For the record, I’m not about to defend any shit other fans got up to. I assume they got up to something and the internet isn’t pulling this one out of its ass. It’s just that I’m apparently part of a shit fanbase that I’ve never seen act shitty and that’s a bit strange imo.

          • Sned

            Excuse me if I’m wrong, but if I remember rightly, they sent death threats to a guy who made an article, looking into rumors about the behind-the-scenes at RSI.

          • Eon264

            Now that you mention it I do remember a shit-storm over that, though I don’t remember death threats. At least I don’t remember anyone reporting on them, I could easily be wrong though I was more interested in the article than the whining about its publication and to be honest I wouldn’t be all that surprised if that was accurate. I mean the internet dolls out death threats to people being cast in roles they don’t think they’ll be good in, forget publishing a damning article about the guy currently promising them a dream.

            To be perfectly fair though, SC’s reputation existed long before that. I remember people shit-talking the fan base as early as the 30 million milestone mark which was a couple years ago now (2013 if you were wondering) and that was when I was paying attention. My experience with the fan base at that time was anything but toxic, at least not relative to any other fanbase.

          • InfamousDS

            It may have more to do with Roberts himself then.

            A community will follow a creator everywhere they go if they know who the creator is. Perhaps there was a Wing Commander or some other community related to his career which followed him to SC and they were the “bad apples” so to speak.

          • Eon264

            I suppose that’s possible, though you’d think that would be reflected in the comments of people going after the fans. At the time the majority of it was them misunderstanding the way the pledges worked, implying everybody supporting the game was crazy for paying $500+ to buy a game that didn’t exist which wasn’t actually the case. I mean to start with the full game including the alpha was available from packages at ~$40, and they were explicitly to fund the development like any other kickstarter but… moving on.

            Gradually it became “star citizen fans are crazy/toxic” which, to me anyway, seemed to come out of nowhere given that most responses to criticism at worst matched the tone of whoever was doing the criticizing (at least the ones I saw anyway).

  • Jeremy Wall

    Are metacritic user reviews really so influential as to even be worth manipulating in the first place? I tend to never pay attention to them.

    • I think some game publishers panic over Metacritic scores. I seem to recall Jim covering that in one of his Jimquisitions, in fact. I could be wrong.

      • Wolfie

        Nah, it’s true, yet that’s more of the industry sitting with a stick up its ass rather than them necessarily being “influential.” It’s an overreaction of the industry and an overreaction of the loyalist fans.

    • Metacritic was a horrific idea that has never added anything but more fanboy vitriol to the discussion. the publishers and fanboys might get their panties is a wad over a bad score and that has been metacritics big contribution to the discourse.

    • Gabriel Macys

      More than one dev studio has made industry news about how they lost bonuses because while their game was a sales success, it failed to reach some arbitrary metacritic score. I wish I’d bookmarked them now.

      • Jeremy Wall

        I thought that was true of metacritic *critic* scores, and not metacritic *user* scores?

        • Gabriel Macys

          Yeah, my bad.

          • Jeremy Wall

            No worries. That’s why I find all this discussion a bit odd, because I’m surprised anyone even pays attention to Metacritic user scores. But perhaps I am wrong.

          • Gabriel Macys

            “No war but the console war.” etc.

  • Polishfury5000

    If there’s one silver lining about the Switch’s light release schedule, it’ll be at least 6 months before the next big Nintendo darling release.

    Won’t have to worry about nintendo fan meltdowns till the holidays.

    • Eon264

      Oh I wouldn’t be so certain of that. If there’s one thing I’ve learned about the pond scum in nintendos pool of fans it’s that they’ve found ways to get their petty bickering fix even during droughts. Rest assured, they’ll find something or someone to string up for ridiculous reasons in the meantime.

      • I’m predicting someone’s gonna either have a major hardware issue and they’ll try to blame him, or CEMU will finally get BotW running at 1080/60 and they’ll blow a gasket over “piracy”.

  • Shui Gor

    Just another reason why I never venture into Metacritic or Gamerankings or any sort of site that totals aggregate-like scores: these sites are toxic.

    • I don’t have anything to add to this really. it’s just true.

    • Muddy Scarecrow

      There was a period where I looked at it all the time to see how the newest games and movies were ranking. But (funny enough) thanks to Jim’s Metabombed articles I realized that Metacritic was pretty much nothing more than a battle ground for pathetic fanboys to either blindly love or hate on the newest corporate product. The scores are completely meaningless because fans and haters alike are trying to fuck with them. So I turned away from it and never looked back.

    • Eon264

      I mean… in /theory/ there’s nothing wrong with a score aggregator. In fact, for the chronically lazy I’d say it’s probably pretty useful. Unfortunately, we live in a world where petty little fuckwads constantly demonstrate why we can’t have nice things.

  • Zefram Mann

    This is almost hilariously sad. Apparently Nintendo never stopped making games for children because they know their hardcore fans never grew up.

  • ieyke

    Man, I’m not even particularly a Zelda fan, and Breath Of The Wild isn’t the BEST Zelda game, but if Horizon:Zero Dawn is even 1/10th as good as Breath Of The Wild, then it would still be a fucking good game.

    BotW is goddam amazing.
    The fact that another game came out at the same time that’s comparable is NUTS.
    People should be playing the crap out of both of them.

    Since they announced that PlayStation games are now coming to PC (and rendering the PS4 pointless, I guess), I’ll absolutely be picking up Horizon for PC when it hits.

    • it would be better on pc – you’d be able to aim better and have a better framerate and then it would be a reasonably entertaining sandbox game.

      • Henrik Brandt

        A better framerate for a laggy streaming service?

        This ignorance about PS Now is hilarious. Your lack of info about PS Now is blasphemy.

        • Who said anything about PS Now? I had the game files stored locally as in on the SSD hybrid I installed personally. I had to wait over 90 minutes for it to download via a local proxy then install itself and The game still ran at 30fps.

      • Xanxus00

        freakin idiots

    • Henrik Brandt

      PS Now is on PC, not the games. You won’t be allowed to download the games, change resolution and add mods.

      You pay for subscription and you will stream the game in 720p with laggy connection. It’s a renting streaming service. You don’t own the games.

      • ieyke

        Hmm…
        Well, it’s only a matter of time til PSN and XBOX Live exist purely as services for PC.

    • They’re not coming to PC though. They can be streamed on PC via a remote play service.

  • LazyGoth

    Jim i wonder if you’re reading this, but do feel free to research the 50 score Nier got on metacritic from a ‘professional’ side of reviews, when some people did some investigation, it turned out that the person who wrote the review half assed it and did not finish all routes in the game.

    How’s this related? With more investigation it turned out to be the person according to his tweets he just couldn’t wait to play Zelda.. and when people try to contact him he blocks them.

    Angry Zelda -Nintendo- fans shall appreciate your review and the freedom you give to express even their anger here.

    • Maxx Kilbride

      You know, I hate that review.

      But it’s just as Valid as the 9/10 or 10/10’s Automata is getting. Many of those 9/10’s and 10/10’s ONLY played Route A and gave it that score. So they only played one route and scored it so highly, maybe it would’ve gone down, or up, who can say?

      But if we count those positive reviews of people who didn’t finish all routes, the same must be done for negative.

      • LazyGoth

        You’re kind of missing the point though.

    • MG_Salad

      Wow, a reviewer giving a half-assed attempt at one game to play Zelda. Figures.

  • Mauricio

    You have to be a really sad person, with nothing meaningful in your life to attack people over a game they enjoy or don’t enjoy.

    That why i never called myself a fan of anything, i want to be able to see the good and the bad and most of all, to be a decent person. I’m so glad i never behaved like this about anything.

    • there is nothing wrong with being a fan and having big passions or recognizing the things you’re passionate about have flaws. Hell the best parodies are made by fans who know the flaws and can highlight them for comedic effect. The problem isn’t about being a fan it’s about being an asshole.

    • He doesn’t attack people who simply enjoy or don’t enjoy certain games. He “attacks” zealots who DDoS’d this goddamn website and wished him death over a score he gave BotW in his review. (and his score was absolutely fair, given that 5 in his score system means “average”, not “absolute trash” and 7 means “good”, not “absolute trash with slightly higher number”)

      And now he’s writing about people who metabombed H:ZD in order to lower it’s score to make it look worse than BotW. Those people are not just fans, they are vicious zealots, who apparently can’t just shut up and play the game they claim to love, instead of shoving their – I dare to say – religion into mouths of everyone else in the world.

      • Mauricio

        I’m not talking about Jim…

  • Gabriel Macys

    Nintendo fans: the triggered, safe space needing, fake news crying, future libertarians of the videogame world? Jim reports, YOU decide!

  • Mauricio

    “The funny thing is, I don’t even have to try very hard to find Zelda‘s piss champions doing exactly what they’re accusing others of doing.”

    That’s people projecting themselfs into others, they assume everyone acts like they do. Because they are incapable of seeing things through a different perspective and they think it justifies what they do.

  • Muddy Scarecrow

    Yeah…to all the people who love to accuse Jim of being a hypocrite for one reason or the other: this is what hypocrisy really looks like. Also seeing all this shit getting kicked up over your review of a Zelda game makes me remember how sad it made me when you said that Link Between Worlds, my new favorite Zelda game, was “just alright” and that you liked Tri Force Heroes more. Anyone else would have accused you of teh bias or lying for clicks. You know what I did? Just shrugged it off and played the fucking game. Because I love it and as much as I love you your opinion isn’t going to affect mine.
    SEE HOW EASY THAT IS?!

  • Matt Impressives

    (This comment was written about 3 hours ago but for some reason it was in pending state. I don’t know why but I decide to edit a bit and try to repost.)
    To me what is absurd of this whole story is that the Zealdot (Zealot +
    Zelda, clever eh?) try to silence a critic for it’s opinion.
    As I said on another website, Jim Sterling is after all only one individual. He is not IGN, nor Eurogamer or other huge website.
    He
    is respected as a critic by many, me included, but in the end of the
    day he is just one man who had his opinion, which was still positive,
    but wasn’t aloud to have.
    If we want to be very objective, in the end this website is nothing more than an expensive blog owned by Jim Sterling. There are
    no advertisment, the number of news are less compared to what Eurogamer
    can post.
    It is a website created for the fans of Jim Sterling.
    Trying to silence one person on the internet that didn’t like a game as much
    as the other is the most idiotic thing an individual can do. These are
    the people that make me puke everytime I heard the term “Hardcore
    Gamer”, “True Gamer”.
    This is when the phrase “it’s just a videogame” must be used.

  • Just some guy

    I think that the most backwards, tragicomic thing about this rabid fanbases noble crusade is that in fear of fighting these “alleged misinterpretations of scores”, they are doing more damage to this game’s reputation than Jim Sterling could do if Sony paid him in realistic Boglin fleshlights.

    I mean, lord knows I love Nintendo(s game development), but I really wouldn’t want to be associated in any way with such a miserable fans. You can already see how some people assume “Nintendo fan = A giant manchild”

  • MultipleChoice

    I believe that Jim made himself a target for this sort of thing well before his review of BotW. The reason is because he has a history of mocking Nintendo for never being innovative with their franchises (especially Zelda). As a result many people see him as biased against Nintendo products and thus unable to give them a fair review.

    That being said, the actual TEXT of his review was well-written, and I do harbor the feeling that had the game been made by anyone except Nintendo he would have given it an 8 or 9.

    • Travis Touchdown

      >Nintendo
      >Never being innovative

      There’s a reason Nintendo fans don’t like him.

      • Wolfie

        Except plenty of us are Nintendo fans. We enjoy the games. Maybe hate the company cause they’re one of the shittiest companies in the gaming industry with some of the shittiest practices, but we still enjoy their games.

        Of course, I’m sure I’m just as bad as he is, because how dare I call out Nintendo for their anti-consumer bullshit and blatant disrespect and refusal to consider fair use laws.

        Never mind that NES was my first, and I still own an original GameBoy, and I have my Majora’s Mask 3DS right next to me, and my favorite game of all time is Banjo-Kazooie, which was an N64 exclusive (though produced by Rare).

        • InfamousDS

          I told a friend last week to be careful of posting her BotW fan-art she made for her small business online, lest Nintendo drop the lawyer brigade on her. It’s really good fan-art too.

          Didn’t stop me from continuing to enjoy BotW despite its painfully obvious flaws. Didn’t stop me from posting a huge tell-all of my fandom in the review’s comment section this morning. Won’t stop me from enjoying and probably pre-ordering the next Zelda when it comes.

    • Ari

      Do they not realize Jim mocks literally every game company? I seriously can’t think of one that he hasn’t had something to say about, ever.

    • If the game was made by anyone else other scores would have been lower. Saying this as a switch and Botw owner.

    • HisDivineOrder

      “I do harbor the feeling that had the game been made by anyone except Nintendo he would have given it an 8 or 9.”

      Ironic, given that I harbor the feeling that many of the 9’s and 10’s that Breath of the Wild, an otherwise good but not great game, would have been 7 and 8’s if it hadn’t had “Zelda” in the title and represented Nintendo’s last chance at coming back from the grave they dug for themselves over the last year with Star Fox and continuous delays of Zelda way beyond the Wii U’s shelf life date.

      Any game that demands you endure HORRIBLE weapon durability on purpose and then makes swapping out weapons a key gameplay mechanic you do on a regular basis with such a terrible UI to do it with and so few slots to use (especially at the beginning) is no 9 or 10 imo.

    • Jack Trevor

      Here’s the problem with your argument: you assume Jim is anti-Nintendo.

      And having actually seen those videos you’d find that he isn’t criticizing Nintendo the Game Maker, he’s criticizing Nintendo the PR Disaster.

      Just to give an example, Nintendo filed a DMCA against a Seattle cafe that used Pokémon imagery during PAX Prime. They had agreed to a financial settlement for use of the imagery. the owner asked the patrons that came in to help raise money since people liked going when they went to PAX. He got the money, was ready to pay for it, and then Nintendo refused to take the payment even though they agree to the amount in the first place. Which is really shitty behavior.

      THAT is what people like Jim are criticizing because Nintendo doesn’t seem to understand that your brand doesn’t become generic just because people draw a picture of their favorite thing.

    • David Simmons

      You seem to fall in that group of people I started noticing when this whole 7/10 thing start just because Jim or anyone doesn’t like how a gaming developer treats it’s audience from a business end doesn’t mean you hate the games they make.

      If you can’t tell from the profile I love Pokemon but it sickens me that they forced me to purchase the Pokemon bank to transfer my Pokemon to Moon and now I have Pokemon bank for 11 more months and no use for it

      Like wise Jim has fucking Silent Hill tattoos on his wrist and Fucking Konami is the worst

      At the end of the day he had an opinion and yes many things can effect an opinion but I sure everyone telling him how he hates Nintendo only makes him want to be harsher on their games at least it would for me

  • Wolfie

    The worst part of what has happened in the last few days, at least for me, isn’t that it happened. Nor just how far they were wiling to go. Or even that they are now trying to berate and artificially diminish a wholly unrelated game simply because it’s, basically, simply within the same genre of gameplay.

    No, the worst part is I am by no means surprised. That I think as soon as we saw 7/10, we expected a brigade and got that brigade in spades.

    I want to feel embarrassed to call myself “a gamer,” simply for the relief of disassociation of from these fucktits. Apologies for dragging out a far-dead horse, but a few years ago when publications came out with “Gamers are dead,” this is the kind of shit they were talking about. That the identity has been so mired in this filth, this trash of an attitude, the actual epitome of “gamer entitlement.”

    It’s this. It’s what they did over a fucking positive review that wasn’t positive enough because Jim Sterling didn’t get on his hands and knees while dressed as Princess Zelda herself and fellatio Miyamoto center-stage of the amphitheater for an entire audience to watch so they too could masturbate each other singing praises while the golden light of the Heavens themselves bless them with the Nintendo’s newest venture of the Hero of Time.

    I want to feel embarrassed, yet I feel like I shouldn’t be, because it feels to me like it almost gives it credence through allowing it to define us. And that is also unacceptable. I have always been of the mind that “gamer” can mean more than just “a person who plays games.” That it can be an identity of inclusiveness through a shared communal interest in a varied and sometimes enlightening hobby. Perhaps that is too optimistic, maybe I should be more cynical, but there you go.

    And we still can’t get another fucking Samus-centric Metroid entry. Damn you, Nintendo!

    Edit: Off topic, Leonard French has a new video out about Nintendo’s Creator program. https:// www (dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=lUce6irE3H0&t=616s

    • t3hdow

      Sadly, this is the current post-GamerGate reality. That one catastrophic event did more damage to gamers as a respectable group than the previous 16 or so combined years of pundits proclaiming our hobby as a terrible influence after Columbine. That’s the hugest irony of it all. We did better castigating ourselves as anti-social cretins than Fox News and Jack Thompson ever did. It doesn’t help that Gamergate was the precursor to the alt-right, which helped elect Donald Trump.

      If there’s any hope, it’s that these lovely gentleman are still a vocal minority. Everyone else is either playing the games, watching others on Twitch, or generally doesn’t give a shit. Still…it’s going to take a LONG time to get over the embarassing damage GamerGate did to gaming culture as a whole.

  • defjam

    Glad to be one of those people who enjoys both Horizon and Zelda (got on Wii-U because I am not spending money on the Switch)

  • Claptrap

    I was very frustrated with video games for a long time, then Horizon appeared and I adore it. Dtoid gave the game a 7.5 and while it’s not perfect, for me it’s a 9/10. So what I did was read the review, saw the score, thought “okay” and went on with my life.

    • Sned

      ^What a normal, sane person would do.

    • ben

      Shame about the mass of sony fans that complained about that review hey.

  • Travis Touchdown

    Horizon versus Zelda is just another Battleborn versus Overwatch.

    • Matt Impressives

      If it was the case, people would have shit over Horizon way before it came out and calling it a rip-off. Also this website wouldn’t been just ddos but eradicated from the internet by the Zealdots

    • Andrzej Sugier

      Those games are both exlusives on different consoles. They don’t compete for the same audience. Also, they are not mp games ment to be played indefinatelly. Any simillarities are superficial at best…

    • YCRanger77

      Eh only one of those was good. Both Horizon and Zelda are good.

  • Harvester of Sorrow

    shocker, biased cunt milking his obvious clickbait

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      Says the guy with the Zelda Avatar.

      Protip, might want to change that before you go into these threads of you don’t want to tip your hand, and make your side look like complete shits.

      • Travis Touchdown

        We’re up against Jim Sterling. We would have to do a lot wrong to make ourselves look worse than him.

        • Wolfie

          Such as DDOS his website, post about how he should kill himself, attempt to hijack his twitter, metabombing an unrelated game, and overall just being a community of the whiniest cunts I have ever seen in the last few years?

          • Travis Touchdown

            No one outside this very biased blog is doing any of that.

          • Wolfie

            https://www (dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=E1RueKeCTgo

        • Ari

          You guys are doing a lot wrong. Ddosing, threats, metabombing a game that has nothing to do with yours, no chill whatsoever? All of that makes your zealous fans look worse than Jim.

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          And yet, somehow you are. Congratulations! You look like even more of toxic, entitled little crybabies than either No Man’s Sky or Star Citizen fans!

          • Travis Touchdown

            Your claim is laughable.

          • Ari

            I’ll bite: how is Jim worse than all of that?

          • Wolfie

            And your ignorance is pathetic. You don’t have the ground to stand on.

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            Oh? Do you have an argument to make in regards to that? Because somehow I doubt it. That would require logic or the ability to form an argument beyond telling someone to kill themselves, and Zelda fans have not proven themselves capable of that on this site recently.

    • Sned

      ^The next comment to be pinned. I’m calling it.

    • Wolfie

      Shocker, biased cunt milking his obvious bullshit teat.

      Edit: Also sport, you fell for the “clickbait” because here you are! Dumbass.

    • Kerrigor

      Clickbait is meaningless term on a site that gains nothing from clicks.

      • Muddy Scarecrow

        You know what, guys? I hate to be that guy. I hate to be the one who says to give up. Because I will NEVER give up in the war on idiots…But I think we need to stop with the “clicks are meaningless” thing. Because people just keep using click bait as way to discredit Jim. It never stops. No matter how many times you try to point out how stupid it is. They always use it anyway. It’s like a fucking Hydra.

        • Wolfie

          Mm, I think we should point out instead that, if it’s clickbait…

          They’re on his site. They fell for the fucking clickbait in the first place.

          • Andrzej Sugier

            Stand fast, brothers, we will endure the clashing waves of the feeble minded. For the Jimperor!

          • Muddy Scarecrow

            ….You know what that might actually be a better tactic. But something else I notice is that they never reply to the rebuttal people have of Jim not running ads. Although one guy did suggest that it was obviously still clickbait because Jim’s review of BotW got a HUGE amount of views. So that’s obviously evidence. …Yeah. And you’re one of the idiots who flocked to it sooooooo good job. You gave him what he supposedly wants.

      • Armando Severino

        Kerrigor, Gains attention. It’s working. 😉

    • HisDivineOrder

      Zelda is still just as great and Nintendo just as holy to you as you think even if everyone else doesn’t agree (even if only in degrees). In fact, the reality we all don’t agree makes the fact you feel it so zealously all the more important to Nintendo. If we all believed it to be true, they would care less about what you think.

    • Artemiy

      Shocker, a biased fanboy lashing out on everybody who doesn’t think his preciousssss is the bestest thing ever.

  • Anarki

    And one of these two metabombers is just troll who is insulting one of the biggest russian nintendo fanboys, that’s quite sad

  • Monstanimation

    Nier Automata shits on both Horizon and Zelda. In terms of story, innovation in gameplay mechanics such as changing genres on the fly and music Nier Automata is one of the best games if not the best I ever played. It does stuff that no other game manage to do with how the gameplay complements the story while the god tier OST synchronizes with the gameplay.

    In a world with generic and “playing it safe” games Nier Automata is a beacon of light.

    • RoanarTheFruitiful

      That’s a very bold claim

      • Monstanimation

        If you play Nier Automata and get the true ending you will only understand that what I’m saying its the truth.

        • HisDivineOrder

          A story should be compelling at the beginning, not just if you finish it.

          • Monstanimation

            Most stupid comment I ever saw. The game is not compelling just in the end you moron but the end is using gameplay in a special way.

    • HisDivineOrder

      Uh, Horizon’s story is more compelling imo based on gameplay footage. Thanks to Squaresoft, I’m waiting for the real 4k version (i.e., PC version), though.

      • Monstanimation

        So you watched Horizon’s gameplay and you thought that it has better story by watching the gameplay? Lol you don’t make any sense. Whatever you will never understand what I’m talking about regarding Nier Automata unless you have played it. Nier doesn’t do generic things like Horizon does.

      • This doesn’t make any sense.

    • -Misaki-

      I insanely love Nier Automata, but please don’t go that way, I am glad Nier community is peaceful, leave it that way please.

      • Monstanimation

        I’m just saying the truth. Nier Automata is getting burried by these other popular titles when in fact its way better in everything except maybe the graphics.

        Amazing story – Checked
        Fun gameplay – Checked
        God Tier OST – Checked
        Innovative Ideas – Checked

        It’s a game that dares to try new things and as Yoko Taro said “The number of well-made games has increased but at the same time the number of games that make my heart beat and give the feeling that I have no idea what to expect, that excitement, has gone down.”

        • I massively enjoy Automata, but you’re overselling the game. Let it speak for itself, as it does so in buckets. It doesn’t need a hype person.

          • Monstanimation

            Since it doesn’t have the marketing budget of those other popular titles Nier Automata will have to rely on word of mouth. I’m just doing that, I’m not overselling the game I’m just telling what’s a fact. Overselling is what other popular IPs do since they can hide their generic nature behind their big budget hype machine. Word of mouth is pure, big budget PR hype is not.

          • You’re barely doing anything different from what this article is about. You’re saying other games are bad to push the image that a game you think is more worthy of defence or praise is better and that it should be bought instead of it. NieR is a great game that is performing exceptionally well, is topping the charts on Steam, breaking Japanese sales records. Its reviews have undoubtedly contributed to gaining it a wider fanbase as well. It’s just sad, honestly.

          • Monstanimation

            Honest question. Do you think that Nier Automata as you said that does all those things will win any GOTY award or at least best OST? In my opinion it will not and not because it doesn’t deserve it but as I said cause other popular IPs will just overshadow it even if they are worse and that is the sad truth. No matter how much of a good game one can be in today’s gaming industry the popular IP is always forgiven if it has massive flaws and then gets a GOTY award too.

          • -Misaki-

            Doing what you’re doing will exactly cause negative reaction, look at the replies you got simply from 1 comment, let people enjoy it as it is.

          • I don’t know if it will or care if it wins a GOTY award. It’s probably going to be my personal favourite game this year, I’m sure a bunch of others feel the same. Why does it matter if Gamespot or somewhere else agrees or not?

  • RuRiK_87

    I am a Sony fanboy and even I think that Uncharted isn’t perfect, great? definitely. Perfect? Not by a long shot. Heck, I am still trying to decide whether Uncharted 4 is the worst in the Naughty Dog quadrilogy or not.

    From what I heard about BotW it sounds like a good game but Ocarina of Time it is not. Will be few a weeks until I actually try the game though, I got a Switch but no games since I couldn’t afford any 🙁

    • Jack Trevor

      That’s why I got the Wii U version. The best way I would describe it to someone familiar with the series is BotW is a better version of Wind Waker.

      I’m reserving judgment on how it hangs with the rest of them once I’ve finished it and a few years have passed.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      Isn’t a four-part series called a tetralogy? Just sayin’.

      • RuRiK_87

        I have seen the word being used for movies so I tend to use it, but from what I know they both tend to be used. I might be wrong though.

        • Andrzej Sugier

          Huh, apparently it’s not correct, but widely used. I was just wondering because english is not my first language, and I would rater use a popular term that the correct one.

      • Shui Gor

        You mean it SHOULDN’T be “Alien: Quadrilogy”? Damn it, Fox: you had ONE JOB TO DO.

  • HisDivineOrder

    Your conclusion is no surprise. Zelda fans see this Zelda and Switch in particular as the last chance for Nintendo to come back from the precipice of having to go third party to find success. Look at Tim Gettys. You could visibly see him breathing sighs of relief that Zelda wasn’t horrible or a retread. Like palpably.

    It’s not just another game, another console for them. It’s like their hopes and dreams and faith were restored after years of droughts.

    Whereas Horizon is just one of many great exclusives coming to Playstation in 2017. The stakes just aren’t as high.

    • Sned

      I can see that. I’ve been hoping for the switch to be a home run for a long time. I have the console and really like it. In fact, I would do a lot to make sure the Switch succeeds.

      That does not, however, justify DDOSing Jim’s site, or spreading BS metacritic reviews. That only causes negative publicity for the games, and the fans of it. It’s to the point where most (normal) Zelda fans want to disassociate themselves, as they do not want their fanbase to be represented by sensitive idiots.

    • Jack Trevor

      That’s not a bad way of putting it to be honest.

      Still doesn’t change the fact that these brats are in serious need of mental help. (And I mean it when I say that.)

    • Travis Touchdown

      You really believe this, don’t you?

    • chaz

      Well this is just a sad post.

  • Appretaur

    You’ll have to search for Jim’s video “Dramatic Reading: To The No Man’s Sky Haters” to find the original version of the post I’m paraphrasing here:

    You.

    Yes, you. The one screaming, “The weapons shatter like glass!” and “Nintendo lied to us!” and other slurs I dare not mention.

    Tread lightly.

    You are one. We are hundreds, thousands. Millions. You aren’t just IN the minority; you ARE the minority.

    I don’t feel awkward or anxious playing Breath of the Wild around others, and your words don’t affect me. Many others, however, are coming out of their shells for the first time in their lives. This is the first time many are enjoying the beautiful world that has been meticulously crafted for us – and it IS beautiful. Incredibly so. DON’T ruin this for them. We Zelda fans may have our differences, but we will not hesitate to come to the aid of our fellow adventurers, especially against someone who so virulently slurs that which has brought us all together.

    Don’t take this the wrong way. I don’t hate you. I don’t fear you.

    I pity you.

    I’m sorry that you feel this way towards us. I’m sorry that Breath of the Wild is such a bane to your existence. And I’m sorry that you are missing out on such a wonderful experience. Mostly, though, I’m sorry that you feel the need to go around and publicly chastise and berate others. I’m sorry that, to ensure your own validity, you need to make others feel invalid. I’m sorry that your self-worth is so infinitesimally miniscule that you have to make others feel less-than-human, at least in your own denatured mind, just to feel whole. I am truly sorry that day-in and day-out you have to put up with your worthless, meaningless, Shakespearean tragedy of a life.

    I ask you politely to cease your unnecessary cries for attention, and instead invite you to join our ranks. Uninstall Horizon: Zero Dawn, start up Breath of the Wild, and breathe in the splendour and the amazement of your first Shrine, and then, maybe, just maybe, you’ll see what you’ve been so hopelessly searching for this whole time.

    • t3hdow

      Way to twist Jim’s words without understanding the central message. The criticism was leveled at No Man’s Sky fanatics who was so offended by his review, they would rather take more time DDOSing Jim than actually playing the game they are hyped up to play. The only difference is that you Zelda fans are the ones being babies this time.

      You tried to invoke an “ironic echo” to your post (see tvtropes for the reference), but there’s nothing ironic about your re-creation. You only proved how much you and other Zelda fans missed the whole goddamn point. If you love the game to this extent, how about you just…play the damn thing?

      Lastly, Jim only did this article, because others requested him to look it up. He didn’t seem to care enough to do the ground work prior to being asked, which makes the Zelda fans metabombing all the more hypocritical. Jim enjoyed BotW, even with the stuff in the game that annoyed him enough to give it a 7/10. You’re the ones making a mountain out of a molehill. Jim has the right to defend himself against the utter idiocy you and others keep displaying. Just…go away, and play the game you love instead of silencing someone who is free to feel the way he does about any game. You guys are embarrassing yourselves.

      And for the record, I enjoyed my share of Zelda games, including Ocarina of Time, Link’s Awakening, and Wind Waker being my favorites back in the day, so don’t even try to pull that “I’m a Nintendo hater” rebuttal shit, either. What you’re doing is the kind of behavior that makes me glad I no longer associate myself with Nintendo fans.

      • Appretaur

        0_o Um, I really didn’t intend anything sincere or offensive with that, and I thought I was trying to lightheartedly parody one possible overreaction that one of the toxic Zelda fanboys could be guilty of – maybe showing that if they are to overreact, they should at least be amusingly affected about it like the NMS defender post I was reposting. I would’ve thought I’d be criticized more for painting Zelda fans as more bad-looking than they probably should be than being someone who would actually throw his lot in with that demographic. I genuinely apologize if your interpretation is how I came across and if it turns out my joke-post isn’t actually spreading some of the passive levity I thought it was.

        Your post really surprised me, though, because in my mind at least, I’m a hardened Nintendo critic who never bought a Wii U or Switch, am not sure if I ever will buy a Switch, and feels that Breath of the Wild – from the let’s plays I’ve seen – wouldn’t have been something I’d be scrambling to buy unless a Steam version was available for 50 dollars. I’ve been an ardent supporter of Jim’s efforts to shine a spotlight on many questionable things Nintendo has done over the past half-year, and I strongly believe that the company and its products should only get no more and no less than the exact amount of praise they actually warrant.

        • YumLemmingKababs

          Sarcasm doesn’t translate well through text.

        • t3hdow

          In that case, I hugely misread your sarcasm. Whoops. My bad. *double facepalm*

          So much for THAT rant. I won’t edit this away to save face, just so no one else makes the same dumb mistake. I can admit to being wrong, even if it makes me look stupid to the opposition.

          Anyway…time for me to log off the internet. Holy shit, how did I miss all of that? 🙁

          • Appretaur

            Well, it sounds like I didn’t do my attempt at sarcasm all that well, and I should own up to that. 🙂

          • Ari

            It’s ok, happens to the best of us.

    • Jonathan Regalado

      Dude the point of the article is just the opposite. No one is afraid of BotW doing well. We’re all just appalled that people that love the game care so much that others don’t love it as much as they do and the proceed to act sub-human. A better way to put it is that if your game really was so great then why bother wasting time when someone has a subjective opinion different from yours? Is your game really so delicate that if everyone doesn’t agree that it’s the next messiah it will punish it’s devout followers by removing itself from existence?

      • Appretaur

        What I was actually doing was an attempt at a sarcastic portrayal of Zeld-ots that shows what would have been a better way for them to respond to “over-critical” scores like 7/10, and I figured I was doing that to help both sides here because the original NMS post I quoted was made by a defender of the game who was an example of one that chose not to lob vitriol at critics and detractors but instead posted something that was far more appreciated for its humor value by the NMS community. However, I messed up in not explaining any of that at first.

    • YumLemmingKababs

      Lol, wut?

    • Ari

      Your satire came off flat dude, sorry. D:

      • Appretaur

        Yeah, I’m sorry too – that attempt at sarcasm wasn’t good or warranted.

        • Ari

          Happens to the best of us, no worries.

  • Neto

    Sometimes I wonder if I would become more attractive if I changed my name to “Zelda”. Seems to work wonders for BotW.

    • Mauricio

      I don’t think you would enjoy the attention of these people :P.

      • Neto

        Hmm, yeah, I guess so. XD

    • Shui Gor

      “Mipha” would probably be better: she’s getting better reception than Zelda in BotW.

  • NaughtyOttsel

    Zelda fanboys truly are awful, they truly make me sick to be a Zelda fan.

  • Mewshuji

    Trigger warning for sexual assault mention in this comment.

    Probably one of the grossest things I’ve stumbled across in regards to this one-sided fandom war is a porn “fan”art of a grinning Link having sex with Aloy with an extremely distressed and upset look on her face (so probably implied to be rape), with the Metacritic scores for their games either on their shirts or by their heads or something, I forget which. Point is, it’s juvenile as fuck and at least vaguely if not overtly misogynist.

    You’d think “fans” of a game and series with so many neat female characters would show a little more respect for a female lead game, but I guess that’s too much to hope for. :/

    • Travis Touchdown

      Considering a good number of Zelda fans are also Metroid fans…

      • Wolfie

        Yet the implication is still raping a female protagonist you don’t like.

        Or in other words, “I have a black friend, but…”

        • InfamousDS

          The idea of Link OR Aloy doing something explicitly sexual is so alien and foreign to me that I cannot even conceive it. Link is innocent justice and goodness given a physical body, and Aloy hates almost everyone because of her upbringing.

          Like, Bad Job Internet. Don’t make rape jokes with explicitly non-sexual characters.

      • Mewshuji

        Bruh, my avatar is Paya. From Breath of the Wild. Which you might know if you were playing BotW instead of ferociously defending Nintendo online. I’m not saying all or even a majority of Nintendo or Zelda fans are misogynist. I’m saying that whoever made that art isn’t giving any better a look to the frankly unhinged people trying to act like there’s some holy war going on between BotW and Horizon, when it’s just them trying to feel better about their game of choice.

    • Rioplats

      I’m pretty sure that’s just Rule 34 in action, although it reflects the attitudes of the fanbase towards the other product. Juvenile, but I think Aloy being female is just coincidental to the pic. Yaoi is a thing.

      • Mewshuji

        Fair enough counterpoint, but I’m unsure if she was a dude the pic would even exist. Who knows!

  • Trim Dose

    Todays Nintendo fanboys are scum simple as that.

    • Captain Pipsqueak

      Fanboys in general are a cancer.

  • Rioplats

    It is almost impossible to go on a Horizon: Zero Dawn video on YouTube without finding a “BotW is better than this” comment. And it is usually liked by a dozen or more fans. I find that quite sad, and a wholly unique situation wherein the opposite almost never happens.

    • Jack Trevor

      Sounds like the pretentious fans of Path of Exile commenting on Diablo 3 videos, thinking they are doing their game a service when in reality they make everybody in their community look like bad.

      • K.C.

        Or like the kind of Overwatch fans who comment on Battleborn videos.
        Chances are, if two mayor games share the same genre there are some imbeciles who will try to compare the two, no matter how different they are.

        • InfamousDS

          Nintendo is to blame for them sharing a genre. I just want that to be on record, because I liked Zelda for what it was (a pseudo-linear adventure/action game).

  • Jack Trevor

    how much you wanna bet none of those “fans” even heard of Guerilla Studios prior to this?

    Hell, I didn’t even know who they were until I heard in a podcast that it was nice to see them doing something besides Killzone. And then I wasn’t like, “Oh right. They made one of the more forgettable shooter series.”

    • Squidbeard “Squidbeard”

      Whats that got to do with anything? That’s like saying who heard of Nintendo before Mario. It doesn’t matter. A good game is a good game.

      • Jack Trevor

        I don’t know what you think but when people think of good FPS, Killzone doesn’t come into the equation. Neither does Guerrilla Games come up with you think of good Sony developers.

        Sure they make good games but they fly under the radar for a lot of people. This might change considering the buzz Horizon is getting.

  • goombacrusher

    honestly I find these kind of articles really uninteresting. yeah fanboys are obnoxious, we’ve known that forever now.

    • StefanWB

      Kinda agree. I was enjoying the drama before, in a train wreck sort of way, but I think this article was one step too far for me. Jim’s made his point, and rubbing more salt in the wound will only make things worse.

  • wdcain1

    It still bothers me how often 10/10s are tossed around. There only only a few games I can honestly rate that high: Megaman 2, LoZ: Link to the Past, Chrono Trigger, Castlevania Rondo of Blood, Grim Fandango, Tekken 3, and God Hand. How are so many games nowadays “perfect”?

    • goombacrusher

      10/10 from most people doesn’t really mean perfect, as perfectly demonstrated by the fact that you put Mega Man 2 and God Hand up there. I fucking love both those games but hell no they aren’t perfect, there are some shitty fucking levels/bosses in both those games. Show me someone who loved the Heat Man Platforms and the BooBeam Trap and I’ll show you a fucking crazy person.

      I do think most big-budget games these days get way more praise than they deserve, Fallout 3 was steaming garbage and 4 was a decent loot-based shooter but an absolutely terrible RPG. I honestly think Zelda is one of the few games that has lived up to the hype though, it genuinely feels like it does something that no other game has succeeded at as long as I can remember, and yeah not even other Zelda games. There are some obvious flaws but I barely notice them with how much fun the game is, though obviously Jim had significantly more trouble getting over those pitfalls.

    • God Hand? Really?

    • StefanWB

      Oblivion and Skyrim are probably my #1 and #2 games of all-time, and I would go to hell for lying if I claimed that they were perfect. I needed console commands to beat a main story mission in Skyrim because the game bugged out. But to me, that’s not as important as the feeling I get exploring and immersing myself in that world.

      A 10/10 rating doesn’t mean a game is perfect, as such a thing is preposterous. You could make an argument that there are only three “perfect” games in the history of civilisation: Chess, Go, and Tetris.

      Also, we should bear in mind that sometimes a game’s imperfections make us love them more.

  • Armando Severino

    Seems like you took this to a personal level. Naming reviewers who gave horizon a 0 and Zelda a 10. Whatever makes your point stronger I guess. Your review was an outlier so in the big picture it does not matter. The general concensus is the game is above a 9. Both are great games, time to move on. I strongly believe articles like this feed the hate, but are great for attention.

    • InfamousDS

      This is actually not professional reviewers, but user reviewers. He didn’t reveal personal information as it was public usernames, and he was specifically requested to do this by the same people who maliciously attacked his site as a straw man they could wield to not only discredit him but show they were the superior minds against those dirty HZD fans.

      He has said in at least one outlet (a YouTube video) he is sick of the backlash already and wants it to go away as soon as possible because it went from stressful to boring. It will likely only be brought up in the Podquisition as part of the news and then never again except by people trying to discredit him or an inside joke.

      • Armando Severino

        InfamousDS, don’t you feel that talking about the backlash will bring it to light further? I just feel like it’s all for attention, which is fine – he benefits from it. It’s just that these types of posts are putting two fanbases against each other and fueling already established flames. I don’t see how this all will warrant mature discussion.

        • InfamousDS

          The post shows that there was not, at the time, any kind of ongoing feud. It wasn’t fanning any flames, it was a counter-argument to the existence of the feud and a task he had no interest in pursuing until he was coaxed into it.
          As I said, he is done with this. We might hear some more today in his podcast, but only because they normally record 2 days before it is posted.

    • t3hdow

      *accuses Jim of taking the BotW backlash personally…after Zelda fanatics DDOS’d his website for a few days, out of being butt hurt over a 7/10 score*

      Yeah…you might want to work on something called self awareness.

      For the record, Jim himself said his score doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, which is what makes the Zelda fans’ behavior all the more appalling. They are getting their panties in a bunch over practically NOTHING.

      • Armando Severino

        I’m pretty good at being self-aware when it’s regarding something that is referring to me. This isn’t about me. I stated he took it personally because he called out individual posters by name which I felt was unnecessary. He could have still made his point without that. And Jim’s right, his score doesn’t matter after all is said and done, but it sure is good for attention. This post and his review will probably be the most commented stories for him this year.

    • DucksonAPlain

      If you don’t show evidence to support your claim, you’re just Donald Trump

  • Not Lord Atkin

    So are they just not realising that this crusading of theirs is actively hurting BotW or…?

    • Wolfie

      Well, that would require foresight and self-reflection. Digital Homicide has more of both of those than they do.

      …okay, maybe not. But still!

    • Ari

      Well, this and the “weapons break at the slightest breeze” made this go from a “will definitely pick this up next payday” to “well it’s a thing that exists I guess”

  • nagatsu

    Of course H0D fans haven’t metabombed BotW in retaliation… we’re too busy still enjoying H0D. Speaking of… later!

  • MrSmithdaman

    people need to chill the fuck out tbh

  • TheLoCoRaven

    I’m playing both and both are great. I happen to like Horizon more because I like action more than rpg when it comes to action rpg’s. Who looks at metacritic user reviews anyway? What a waste of time.

  • DucksonAPlain

    In my own sad little circle of Internet friends, everyone who’d said anything negative about Horizon (before launch) is now currently not saying anything, because they’re all playing Breath of the Wild too much.

    • Shjade

      To be honest I wish I could justify getting a PS4 so I could play both. I’m not a fan of fighting giant robots all the time (BotW’s Guardians fill me with the same anti-enthusiasm as basically all footage I’ve seen of Horizon), but it’d be nice to have what looks like a solid female protagonist in a sprawling open world game for once.

      Plus I could finally play Bloodborne.

      Alas.

      Edit: getting to play Horizon’s lead in Breath of the Wild would also be acceptable. >.>

  • chaz

    Most Zelda fans are too busy enjoying Zelda to give a shit about this, Jim. There’s no point in giving the ‘shoutiest ones’ (good term btw) the attention they crave for and reinforce them. Fanboys are scum, and have been always, all around- this isn’t new, nor limited to Zelda fans.
    Let it go, and don’t stoop to their level.

    • ThinkerT

      There aren’t many levels Jim won’t stoop to to call people out on their bullshite. That’s what makes him so fun.

    • Tom Hat

      Direct quote from this article “ultimately, I think everybody else is just enjoying playing a fucking good Zelda game.

      I hope Breath of the Wild‘s shoutiest fans also learn to enjoy playing it one day.”

      That’s exactly what the article is about Chaz.

  • Pomathan

    I checked the Metacritic reviews for BoTW and instantly found four 0’s with 10s for Horizon on the same account without really looking. I don’t know what kind of “investigation” you were doing. Also this “Naming and Shaming” is just…well…I’m pretty disappointed.

    • Rioplats

      Not sure where you’re looking, because it took me about 10 BotW 0’s to find a Horizon 10 amongst them. Most are troll accounts only to give BotW a 0, not to praise HZD.

      Also, why does anyone care that someone’s Metacritic account specifically made to bash/praise one specific game is shamed?

      • Pomathan

        Apparently Jim does? He chose to do this.
        Before you say “He was asked to” I don’t remember Jim ever bending the knee to do something fans asked unless it was directly in his favor.

        • Rioplats

          Well he’s doing the shaming, but why do you care that he’s doing the shaming, I mean? They’re 100% anonymous Metacritic accounts which anyone can make and review, without verification of purchase.

    • anomalous material

      It’s basically summed up, right here:

      “According to frantic commentary on my Breath of the Wild review as well as various subReddits, nefarious shills for Sony have been abusing Metacritic’s user reviews in order to give Horizon 10/10 scores and crush Zelda with a bunch of vile zeroes.

      The process is called Metabombing, an organized effort from unhinged fanbases or edgy online communities (or both) to tank the average user review score of a game they wish to see fail.

      “So I guess Jim is going to use this comment section to justify how Zelda fans are toxic and all that, yet he still hasn’t commented on the Metabombing of the Metacritic user score by Horizon: Zero Dawn fans,” wrote one responder to The Jimquisition’s Breath of the Wild review.

      This sentiment is not uncommon amongst those Zelda fans who genuinely are toxic, the fans I guess I’ll just call Fucking Slithering Pricks.

      Unfortunately for them I can’t do as requested because there’s just not enough evidence to support the claim that Zero Dawn fans are behaving as badly as accused.

      But do remember, throughout the rest of this article – I was asked to do this.”

      He was only providing a service that was asked for. Not his fault that the fanatics’ metabomb blew up in their face!

      • Pomathan

        I actually gave you a post proving that Jim wasn’t right but it was put on hold and deleted :^) Hi Jim.

        • dennett316

          What, you mean that post above from 44 minutes ago? Deleted was it?
          It wasn’t.

    • Josue Ayala

      Normally I would agree with you on the whole “naming and shaming” thing, but we have to remember that these are– for all intents and purposes– published reviews meant to be read by Metacritic’s audience (or at least what little of them care about user reviews).

    • dennett316

      When were those reviews published? Might want to check if they appeared after Jim had his look before you start with the “gotcha” stuff.

  • AlexAndThunder

    On an odd tangent, Horizon and Zelda do have oddly similar word settings. Bunch of Robots were built to serve people but ended up fucking them over and now try to kill them a bunch of years into the future after a great world-ending war.

  • Slipknot [RU-Veteran]

    Nintendo Fans are just really really delusional.

    • Γεώργιος Αρχαιοκαπηλίδης

      Not as delusional as Sony fanboys at NeoGAF.

  • Outrunner

    Nintendo has one of the worst fanbase of all time. That’s why the continue to buy every single piece of shit that Nintendo puts out.

    • Γεώργιος Αρχαιοκαπηλίδης

      Worse than Sonic fanbase? I don’t think so! XD

      • Outrunner

        Bite me

      • Shadywack

        I wouldn’t call one guy a fanbase.

  • Γεώργιος Αρχαιοκαπηλίδης

    “Waaaaah! Why people won’t fall for our paid reviews about Horizon!”

    • Ian

      When did he ever suggest that the tiny majority of whiners are representative of the majority? I mean, hell:

      “Obviously, we’re talking about a small subset of particularly troubled individuals who have replaced their sense of self with videogames. Most fans of The Legend of Zelda, just like most fans of Sony’s suite of games, are well adjusted adults who aren’t flipping their shit and behaving in the most undignified ways over conflicting opinions regarding entertainment products.”

    • dennett316

      You are to be pitied.

    • K.C.

      “Obviously, we’re talking about a small subset of particularly troubled individuals who have replaced their sense of self with videogames. Most fans of The Legend of Zelda, just like most fans of Sony’s suite of games, are well adjusted adults who aren’t flipping their shit and behaving in the most undignified ways over conflicting opinions regarding entertainment products.”

      Maybe you should read the whole article instead of only the headlines.

    • Benj

      Read the article mate.

  • Jim, you’re missing the real story. If you weren’t so anti-Nintendo, you’d be doing REAL INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM as to why the evil people at Metacritic are blocking any reviews over 10/10. Why is my 11/10 review not being shown OR used in the algorithm? My best friend’s nephew gave it a 13.5/10 (okay, that might be a weird score, but still justifiable), but is it shown on Anticritic? NO. And neither is my (-2 + 3 i) score for Nier Automata, but at least Metacritic’s anti-imaginary number bias is well-known.

  • StefanWB

    At first, I was following this Jim vs. Nintendo fanboys drama and thought the whole thing was hilarious. Now, I just think it’s really sad. Some of these people are spewing such rubbish onto the internet because they simply have nothing better to do, but that can’t be the whole story.

    I wonder how many of them are 12-15 year olds that just don’t know any better, or have some kind of mental illness. As an autistic person myself, I know what it feels like to not always connect with people, or have a strong sense of identity, or feel like you understand the world, but if this kind of behaviour is your way of dealing with that, then clearly something has gone wrong.

    Anyway, I’m looking forward to playing Horizon: Zero Dawn at some point. I have no desire to buy a Switch just for BotW, but am glad that the game is so beloved and may well play it at some point down the line.

  • william hattrell

    I dunno, having witnessed the Uncharted 4

  • Raging Raving

    urgh, these “Fucking Slithering Pricks.” are turning our medium into more of a joke from the perspective of the outside world, they will look at this and go “urgh this is why gamers are little babies and will never be an art-form (sniggers)” just enjoy your Game, christ stop making up imaginary wars with another similar (only on the surface) game.

  • I was listening to the co-optional podcast (that’s a round-table game industry related podcast on youtube produced by TotalBiscuit for those that don’t know) which delved in to, of course, Zelda.

    The one point that is salient to this situation mentioned during that discussion was that no game, no matter the genre, platform or franchise, should receive a 10/10 if it suffers from basic struggles such as performance. Basic missteps by a developer, such as FPS drops (in a controlled environment no less), etc, should automatically disqualify a game from receiving a perfect score. It is not, as distributed, perfect.

    Perfect scores are handed out a little too liberally. Achieving perfection means that there can be no iteration which improves on the offering. Giving Breath of the Wild a 10/10 is hyperbolic, suggesting that the Switch will never receive an RPG that is better, and no subsequent entry in the Zelda franchise for this generation can be better. There is no room for improvement. No opportunity for iterative progression. A 10/10 states that the genre within current limitations has been solved, the pinnacle has been achieved. Why even buy another game?

    Horizon: Zero Dawn is as good as it is because it steals from the best, wraps it up in an interesting, engaging world and beautiful presentation – with flawless execution. It lacks in innovation, and it deserves a solid 9/10 for many people because it did exactly what it set out to do. It should not get 10/10s anymore than Breath of the Wild should. It is not perfect, it can be improved upon. It is a disservice both to the readers of the reviews and the developers of the games to toss out these perfect scores.

    As far as the fanboy battles… who cares. Is PS4 > Xbone? Is the Switch so innovative that it’s almost religious in it’s impact on gaming? Are PCs really the master race? Does it freaking matter? If you spend too much time worrying about who is the current elite, then you spend nowhere near enough time enjoying your PC, PS4, Xbone and Switch.

    • MrSmithdaman

      i think it’s mind boggling how a game with so many flaws can get 10/10s where other games gets slaughtered if they had the same issues

      -frame drops everywhere
      -horrendous voice acting
      -bosses are a joke
      -plot is bad, like holy shit it’s fucking bad

      why does zelda gets a free pass?

      • Sunk cost fallacy perhaps? Nintendo Nostalgia? It’s not the only franchise that has experienced this level of fanatic willful ignorance when it comes to new entries.

        The pre-order and hype engines of the current video game industry certainly doesn’t help. People go online once the trailer is released at E3 or something, and put themselves out there… greatest game ever (No Man’s Sky) … and that level of energy and excitement is an investment. To acknowledge any type of disappointment is to register a flaw in your approach.

        It’s better to denigrate another product than to acknowledge that your “pick of the litter” turned out not to be as good as you expected it to be.

      • Maxx Kilbride

        Agreed. There are many issues with Zelda BoTW. it’s a good game, even a great game.

        But it has many issues, that in a modern game, it should not have, and other games that have such issues, get shat on, heavily. Zelda gets a pass because many people grew up on it.

    • jp

      Exactly, a 10 score game should have innovations which no other game has, in its time that was Ocarina of Time, because the world was so big and alive for its time, Breath Of The Wild is not really a major improvemnt ot a perfect game, for me its a solid 8. its not better than Ocarina of time, or Majoras Mask (which to an extent offered way more innovation than BOW including the clock mechanic and timed events), Zelda lost that eering feeling, those melodies which I still remember to this day and still hum, I mean Ocarina of Time is still the best game ever created for a lot of people and outlets, BOW scores are inflated period.

      • All reasonable opinions.

        You could also argue that 10/10 scores should be handed to games that are, essentially, the pinnacle of their genre/generation.

        For some, that might be Ocarina of Time, but other examples might include The Last of Us for the PS3 – it was very late in the generation, pushed the hardware to it’s viable limits, and created an experience that still haunts players to this day. Did it innovate? Not particularly – but it was a product of sheer perfection that at that moment was never going to be surpassed.

        I wonder if Shadows of the Colossus would stand as an historical analog. It is not only innovative, it was brilliant. A masterpiece in many ways, and yet due to technical issues, and some areas of improvement, it was handed 8s out of 10 … 9s out of 10. I am unaware of it receiving any perfect scores. It holds, even today, a ridiculously high aggregate rating. It seems Breath of the Wild would not have been hurt by a similar treatment and still been beloved by its many fans, just as Shadow of the Colossus still is today.

    • Mikael

      That also means that a 0/10 can ever be given to a game, because of the same reasons a 10 can’t be given. No game is ever perfect, no game is ever such utter shit that its inconceivable someone can’t come up with something thats even worse. But then you have to ask the question what the point is in using a 10 point scale (or a 100, or 5 or any other scale) if the edges of the scale can’t be used.

      I’d say a perfect score doesn’t imply a perfect game. A game that scores a 10/10 isn’t perfect. Its just really really good and according to the reviewer, better than a game that scored a 9/10.

      • Oh, for sure games can receive 0/10. Games, by their very definition, are software. If the software is non-functional, it is a 0/10 game. The game idea may never itself be able to reach 0/10, but execution can. Hence the reason that perfect execution is a must if you are going to hand a game a 10/10.

        Breath of the Wild has actual, technical difficulties.

        I also didn’t say no game should receive a 10/10, I just suggested that the bar is FAR too low. A 10/10 review should be considered the Oscar for the year. Or perhaps the generation, but I am willing to concede a 10/10 game might be an annual occurrence – though I wouldn’t give that myself.

        But, I am a movie critic, and only one movie has EVER gotten a perfect score from me, so perhaps I am overly critical. But when you are talking about an artform, I just don’t think perfection is real.

        • Mikael

          Sure, but non functionality also comes in degrees of severity. A game might simply crash often, it might not run at all for some people, a game might be a virus that melts your computer. There are always ways a non functional game could be absolutely worse than previous non functional games.

          As for a 10/10 requiring a perfect execution, I disagree. What is technical perfection? That the game contains no bugs? Runs at 60 frames or higher? Is well optimized? Runs with an HD resolution? Has a load of graphic customization options? Opinions on what constitutes as technical perfection differs from person to person.

          More importantly, what if a game has some bugs but none of them are really noticeable or detract from the overal gaming experience? What if a game has several issues but is still so much fun you don’t really care? This is a problem with scoring games, because its both entertainment and software. You can score software on its technical aspects, but that doesn’t say too much about its value as an entertainment product.

          And to be clear, I’m not here to argue that Breath of the Wild should get a perfect score. I haven’t played the game and I generally don’t care for Nintendo games so I don’t give a damn about what score they get. I’m just here to point out some things to consider when talking about a scale based scoring system and using terms like ‘perfect execution’. Thats all 🙂

    • Turdsley

      Here is the thing though, some people don’t think performance issues make or break an already great game, to make a sweeping statement that it always matters is dumb.

      Also, a 10/10 does not mean its a “perfect” game, just that it achieved the highest rating it could on an arbitrary scale.

      • Performance ALWAYS matters. Always. Without exception. Whether it matters to YOU is a matter of your personal tolerance for ineptitude, but when it comes to reviewing a product, if it doesn’t work correctly, that … always matters.

        To say otherwise is to wander awfully close to becoming an apologist where you overlook tangible flaws in a product because of brand, or in this case, excessive fandom.

        And I fail to see how you can claim that 10/10 doesn’t mean perfection, or at the very least, the pinnacle of excellence. Both of which are by definition excluded by performance failures.

        • Turdsley

          A poor frame rate doesn’t mean a product doesn’t work.

          I bought Bloodborne used because I found a good deal and I was bored with my current games, I had absolutely no prior history with From games. I played through the game and loved it despite some performance issues. IMO its an all-time great(10 out of 10) because the poor frame rate doesn’t change my feeling about how good of a game it is. So in this case no performance doesn’t matter and I’m not overlooking issues because of a brand or fandom, I’m over looking it because it does “X” numbers of things so well that I don’t care if the frame rate drops some times.

          Look at these media outlets giving 10/10 scores, nowhere does a top score mean “perfect”.

  • GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

    One thing I admit that does bother me about this and other stuff like Uncharted 4 and No Man’s Sky is when people compare to these fans to people with autism and other mental disabilities.

    As someone with autism, not only do I not appreciate being automatically being placed in with people who get mad over review scores, but it also just enforces stereotypes and falsehoods about autistic people. Shocking, most of us aren’t emotionless angry dicks that the media thinks we are.

    Like the arseholes deserve to be called out and criticized for being dicks who can’t take a good score, but can we not go into ableism?

    And no, the Zelda elitist fan boys don’t get off the hook either as some of the ableism thrown a Jim was appalling as well.

    • StefanWB

      I’m also autistic (Asperger’s syndrome), and I agree that throwing around accusations of autism in response to any kind of extreme or irrational behaviour is damaging…but this is a case where I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people who would do something as petty and spiteful as DDoS a website over a videogame review or Metabomb a game do actually have a mental illness or disability of some kind, autism or otherwise.

      • I suspect there is a diagnosable condition that would explain the behaviour. But to simply use terms such as “autism” or any other mental disorder is just disrespectful to people who deal with those challenges on a daily basis. If the research was done, and an actual diagnosis found, I think it would be interesting to learn what acute mania does actually explain such behaviour.

        • Maxx Kilbride

          There’s a few key words people use that I know if they do not to listen to them.

          “Muh”
          “Fam”
          “tbh”

          and using autism as an insult, when some of the smartest people in the world(and history) are on on the autism spectrum.

        • InfamousDS

          I blame Sheogorath. The Mad-God is having fun at all of our expense.

  • NicknameAcaso

    This proves that Nintendorks don’t know how to make multiple accounts while sonyfags do, that’s it. It makes sense since sony has always been more liberal about the whole account thing compared to Nintendo, it just shows that even when fanboying the former are bound to the hardware, in this case, their real life ass, while the latter know some incredible life hacks for trolling.

  • Mathew G. Smith

    At a guess I would say most of those involved are actual children. Most of the things they say have that distinct “I heard something similar in a different context but don’t know what it means” vibe.

    • Benj

      I think that’s probably not true.

      The people who have this much of a violent defensive attitude to a game are 30-somethings who grew up with the NES as their main source of love and companionship.

      Kids are far less aggressively protective of their childhood loves compared to jaded adults with a chip on their shoulder.

      • Mathew G. Smith

        Really? I’ve seen kids have fandom fights over random bugs on the ground. They also forgot about it within a minute, admittedly.

        • Benj

          That’a kind of what I meant. This kind of continuous boiled piss requires a much older bladder.

  • Doki

    BotW just plain does not deserve all of the 10/10 ratings that it is getting. I guess you could argue it’s a 10/10 when viewed against other games available on the Switch…but if you are comparing it to every other available game in the market, not just Horizon, a 7/10 is more than generous.

    • chaz

      And how do you decide that?

      • Nitrium

        By taking objective things into account, like framerate drops and poor draw distance, and combining that with subjective things like finding weapon durability and restricitve stamina meters detracts from an otherwise fun game. 7/10. See?

        • chaz

          No, I don’t. Objective things don’t take into account things like Zelda’s bigger open world, better interactivity, better permanence, better seamlessness, they don’t take into account Zelda’s higher number of gameplay styles enabled, your subjective things don’t take into account that unless you play the game, you can’t say that Zelda’s implementation of weapon durability doesn’t appeal to you, and your complaint for stamina meters means that Dark Souls, Monster Hunter, Bloodborne, Nioh, and Shadow of the Colossus, among other games, can’t be more than a 7.
          Don’t be ridiculous.

          • jp

            better performance with those frame rate dips, and the controllers not working half the time? if you have a problem identifying which type of fanboy you are ill help you, you are a Nintendo fanboy and man those are the worst, nintendo ripping little kids an parents for a sub par machine that was not ready for launch. you are not a critic you are a fanboy.

  • jp

    Gamespot + Metacritic are the same shiet, so Uncharted 4 got a 10/10 and BOW got a 10/10, that equals money coming from Nintendo and Sony, end of it. Uncharted did not deserve a 10 either, but I mean who really cant tell GS is trying yo inflate certain games score’s

    • dennett316

      Prove it. Also, define “deserve” a 10. What’s this objective scale that you apparently have access to which universally ranks all games in their proper place. We’d all be curious to see it.

    • chaz

      Your comment is dumb as shit

      • jp

        your face does look like shit, but I am not complaining buddy. and you dont know what im talking about ignorant.

  • Eli Pinilla

    Both are great and am in the middle of HZD. But, the comparisons between the 2 started when the HZD reviews came out and people started calling in a Zelda killer. So when BOTW turned out be be as great as it is, that’s when the backlash started.

  • Hunter Zolomon

    So basically the Horizon Zero Dawn fans even the real hardcore fanboys are just playing and loving the game and not giving a damn about Zelda while the toxic deranged Zelda fanboys are just causing trouble and obbessing over Horizon rather then playing this supposed super awesome game?

    Just to be clear i mean the whiny children and man-babies who are just causing trouble and obbessing over 7/10’s and not the mature children and adults who are just playing and enjoying the game when i say toxic deranged fanboys.

    • You pretty much nailed it with the comment “not giving a damn about Zelda” … I imagine most people who aren’t caught up in the frenzy are playing the game they have, and if they are like me, are curious to try the other when the opportunity arises. I liked the look of Breath of the Wild, I don’t have a way to play it, I am glad the reviews indicate I will probably enjoy it when I get the chance. Horizon: Zero Dawn has been better than I expected because I just don’t trust game-related hype.

      • Hunter Zolomon

        I’ve played a bit of Zelda round a friends thought it was good if overrated but mostly kept that myself to advoide starting anything and basically gone to playing Horizon, Nioh and Nier Automate.

      • *pets ling*

        • This is Best comment 10/10.

          Will 0/10 any comment that disagrees with me.

    • Travis Touchdown

      No, no one is actually playing Horizon. Sorry.

      • Wolfie

        And you’re here, not playing BotW.

        • Benj

          Yeah, I can’t believe he hates BotW so much that he has to fight so hard to keep himself from being bored.

          He’s probably just playing it wrong.

          • Wolfie

            Well, didn’t you hear? It’s only 7/10. Not worth it.

        • Travis Touchdown

          I finished it on Monday, sorry.

          Over sixty hours of the best open world gameplay I’ve ever experienced. I’ll probably pop it in again tonight, actually.

          • Wolfie

            Well that’s nice to hear that you enjoyed it. Or should I be a massive cock about it, like youself?

          • InfamousDS

            For the record, I’m playing Warframe, HZD, and Zelda all simultaneously.

            2 PS4s, 2 4k TVs, and a Switch was great investment. But I had to justify my 6-arms surgery somehow.

  • Travis Touchdown

    “Perusing the user reviews for The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, there is very little evidence to suggest Horizon‘s zealous devotees (I’m sure it has them) have been orchestrating anything of the sort. Yes, a handful of user reviews that gave Zelda a 0 also gave Horizon a 10. Going over the accounts myself, I’ve been able to spot a grand total of two users that did it.”

    You idiot. Typically what they do is make throwaway accounts that exist ONLY to downvote Zelda. There’s a reason Zelda has a rather low metascore in spite of how well received it has been in general. These people don’t make it obvious that this is what they’re doing.

    • Wolfie

      Then provide evidence of it. See, we can assume that’s the case, but if it is not evident, then that’s where it remains: an assumption.

      And even then, he admits to finding more that are 1/10, where “we can find some more evidence.”

      It’s almost as if you’re bitching for the sake of bitching.

      • Travis Touchdown

        The evidence is the metacritic score itself. A great game is being bombarded with low scores purely to damage control how good it is.

        I think blaming Horizon fans as a whole is not exactly accurate. This is a Sony Pony thing in general, really. Lots of Nintendo games get Metabombed, people just don’t typically notice unless the game is a huge deal.

        • Wolfie

          Prove the scores are rigged.
          “Look at the scores.”
          What about the scores?
          “They are rigged.”

          This is called “circular logic” and it’s a fallacy.

          Edit: Of course, there are some that are. The question is how many. I thought I’d have to point that out, or you’ll somehow make some bullshit that I’m saying none of them are.

          • Travis Touchdown

            The user scores, which are open to anyone, are considerably lower than the critic scores.

            Despite this, everyone who is playing the game is very happy with it. It couldn’t be more clear that the people bombing the user score didn’t actually play it.

          • Wolfie

            Okay, then prove it.

        • Benj

          … or it just means that reviewers like the game more than users.

          It’s not uncommon for the critical response and the regular joe response to a game to be somewhat at odds.

          And the user review is usually a few points lower down on metacritic anyway.

        • RIME

          Evidence are facts. You presented as evidence that “a great game” is being downvoted. That is subjective. Your evidence is unbelievably weak and pretty much inadmissible.

        • Ian

          “A great game is being bombarded with low scores purely to damage control how good it is.”

          And this case is different from other big-name series/franchises/games… how, exactly?

    • Benj

      Well you’ve done some research and clearing proved the initial assumption wrong.

      I guess now everyone will relax and stop acting like whiney shitbags…

      Oh apparently not.

  • Phronesis

    Why Metacritics still exist? If it allows hollow users reviews based on nothing the system is just broken. No credibility at all.

  • James

    The fact of the matter is all people involved are sad, sad people, and disgraces to their respective fan-bases. Both are good games with flaws. Learn to fucking live with it.

  • Benj

    This bad behaviour by Nintendo fans just makes me want to go and metabomb the game mercilessly just to spite them.

    Although it’s that kind of attitude that led to President Trump, so best not.

  • hyjinx17

    all this arguing about which is better, Horizon or Zelda and I’m just over here like NieR is better than both so who cares.

    • *look up from Rimworld* Eh? sure whatever

      • There is nothing better than funding your colony by removing the organs of innocents selling them to the next trade caravan to come by. Don’t see THAT in Zelda!

        • Gorantharon

          To be fair, you can get quite a few monster organs and cook them into buff food.

          Those things are clearly sentient.

          • InfamousDS

            It’s okay, because Blood Moon. Nobody dies, except the people that did!

          • Wolfie

            To be fair, they didn’t fill out the living census forms, so that’s really their fault.

  • Burstaholic

    Such is the zero sum mindset of those who play for the lowest stakes on Earth.

    Savage.

    • Nitrium

      My favourite line from Jim’s post.

  • disqus_2bfuiuv1bk

    I’m not quite sure what the argument is about: while Horizon Zero Dawn stands at a what some might view as a respectable 89, Zelda only has a lowly 97. Why would you need to “metabomb”?

    • Wolfie

      Because the people doing the metabombing are both unhealthily obsessed, and there’s this false idea that when games compete against each other, it’s black-and-white. One must cancel out the other.

      Rather than, you know, both being enjoyable. I mean, it’s not entirely wrong, per say. Video games are expensive, and generally people buy them one at a time. But it’s also wrong to assume that if a person chooses one, they’ll never play the other.

  • Benj

    I really don’t understand why you’d DDOS someone like Jim.

    For a Patreon supported individual on a site with no ad revenue this stuff just adds to your credibility in the long term and is serves to just be mildly annoying for a few days.

    • Travis Touchdown

      Jim has no credibility.

      I find it laughable how you are acting as if everyone who likes Zelda is to blame for that happening. I like how in this entire response article Jim doesn’t once acknowledge all the complaints about Zelda don’t make any sense.

      • Wolfie

        They didn’t even mention Zelda. And yet you’re inserting your bullshit into it. Are you projecting? It sounds like you are.

        Do yourself a favor. Get wasted, go lay down, have someone dissolve the hot glue that’s sealing your ass and take a shit, because right now, you are so full of it, I worry about your health.

      • Complaints are subjective. Don’t need to make sense. That’d be like breaking down someone’s dislike of the colour red.

      • Nitrium

        You mean objective things like poor draw distance and framerate drops, and the subjective unfun of weapon durability don’t make sense to be critical of? Right.

        • Travis Touchdown

          >Poor draw distance

          You never played the game, did you?

          • Benj

            So you’re admitted that the weapon durability is shit then are you?

          • Travis Touchdown

            No, it’s pretty much universally accepted that Jim’s claims that weapons are too brittle are nonsense. It’s quick andeasy to get new ones and switch broken weapons out.

          • Jeddostotle7

            You use waaaaaaaaaaay too many universal statements, dude.

          • Wolfie

            Universally accepted? HA!

          • Benj

            The phrase “pretty much” is doing an awful lot of work in that sentence.

          • Nitrium

            Nope. But it’s mentioned in some reviews (enemies specifically).

      • Benj

        … were you genuinely reading this article (assuming you did read it since you apparently missed the big “I know this isn’t everyone paragraph” in the vain hoped that he’d retract his criticisms?

        That’s really quite sad.

        It’s a shame you don’t have anything more fun to do… like enjoy playing Zelda.

      • Vivi2372

        Jim has no credibility? The one game critic I can name that doesn’t get paid by the people who’s games he reviews and business practices he critiques? That’s a laugh.

        Do tell us more about these complaints of his which don’t make sense in your tiny little mind. Try and do it without questioning someones credibility because they don’t stroke Nintendo’s cock and gargle their balls like you do this time.

  • chaz

    Most Zelda fans are too busy enjoying Zelda to give a shit about this, Jim. There’s no point in giving the ‘shoutiest ones’ (good term btw) the attention they crave for and reinforce them. Fanboys are scum, and have been always, all around- this isn’t new, nor limited to Zelda fans.
    Let it go, and don’t stoop to their level.

  • Captain Pipsqueak

    Ohhhhhh…

    Who lives in a dream world, under a dome?
    Zelda fanboys!
    Otherwise known as the basement of their parents’ home?
    Zelda fanboys!
    Who thinks a score under ten is not proof of success?
    Zelda fanboys!
    Who silences critics with a DDoS?
    Zelda fanboys!

    • Unclear whether to be impressed or disturbed that you came up with this

      • Captain Pipsqueak

        I think you can be both. I figure why not have fun with it, right?

  • I appreciate the analysis here. Definitely am not surprised that a more popular game has more unhinged people.
    I don’t take Jim’s review seriously though due to his bias against Nintendo. It is my belief that people with such established bias should not be allowed to critique something they are already seeking to negatively effect. That said, keep up the good work Jim.

    • Jeddostotle7

      …HIS REVIEW WAS POSITIVE YOU IDIOT.

      • And? I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said I don’t take it seriously. Instant and immediate irrational response noted.

        • that guy

          Lol, you do realize that by complaining that his positive review isn’t good enough and he shouldn’t be allowed to say words about your precious… you’ve basically proven his point, right?

          • Did I complain? No. I said biased people shouldn’t be allowed to review a product or service that they are historically known to want to harm.

          • Vivi2372

            You saying biased people shouldn’t be allowed to review products is literally the definition of a complaint.

          • Its an opinion. Or is that not allowed?

          • Vivi2372

            It’s an opinion you’re sharing as a complaint. Seriously, how do you not understand that something can fall into more than one category at a time? Either you’re remarkably dense or you’re being deliberately obtuse.

          • I’m the dense one that is still defending my opinion without slinging rude childish slanders. I am being deliberately obtuse with reason. When someone walks a fine line, they should be challenged. It is how people grow.

          • Rob

            Just so we’re clear.
            Jim should not be allowed his opinion because he “wants to harm Nintendo”.
            You should be allowed yours despite its intent to harm Jim.

          • There is a difference. A user review goes in a certain section. A critic review is separate. Do you believe that a publication who is funded by a corporation should have the right to review a product or service by the company that lines their pockets? No. Its the same thing. My opinion here does not effect Jim whatsoever

          • Jaxs

            He’s not being funded by anyone.
            All this income comes from Patreon and adsense from his non-Jimquisition videos.

          • I didn’t say he was. I am making a point that biased publications should not be allowed to make reviews. A company that does receive monetary compensation *coughs IGN* should not be allowed to contribute reviews for the company they receive said compensation

          • Jaxs

            So Jim shouldn’t be allowed to write his opinion on a Nintendo game on his independently owned website?

            Edit: it’s also not up to Jim if his review is put on Metacritic.

          • This is annoying. Let me be more specific. I have no problem with his critique whatsoever. Getting a review on Metacritic is extremely difficult and as such I respect Jim for that accomplishment. His review isn’t even an issue for me either, the fact that he is biased against Nintendo and that it goes into the Metacritic under the “Critic” category is my issue.

          • Jaxs

            So you have no problem with his critique on BOTW or his other Nintendo reviews but he shouldn’t be labeled as a Critic on metacritic.

            Even though Jim’s bias against Nintendo are ENTIRELY focused on the business side of their company and their shitty and anti-consumer business practices.

          • ugh. I have no issue with him as a Critic. If you are biased for or against a company, you should not be allowed to review their product. PERIOD.

          • Jaxs

            That’s the most irrational argument I have ever heard.

            What you are asking for is LITERALLY impossible.

            You’re basically telling game reviewers that if game companies do anything, you’re not allowed to dislike or complain about it because you’re now biased and shouldn’t be allowed to do your legally mandated job.

          • Technically it is how a review is supposed to work. It is supposed to be unbiased. Being ok with the establishment and how its flawed is the irrational argument.

            You took my words out of context as well. I said that if a company is biased for or against. For example, If Activision sends IGN 10 copies of its latest Call of Duty along with a donation of $10,000 to publication Ziff Davis, a launch party with food, drinks and party favors including brand new Ipod minis and other assorted niceties… would you not agree that IGN is now biased in favor?

            To me this bias is just as bad as someone who has a bone to pick with a company they dislike. I did not say anything about a company doing something and somebody not being able to say something bad. That is ridiculous

          • RIME

            See, but the only people you’d consider qualified to review a game are those who are unbiased against the developer or the publisher. Since either positive or negative opinions are perceived by you as bias, that means the reviewer can’t have formed opinions relating to the company. Since finding anything out about a company will lead to an opinion being formed, the reviewer can’t have found anything out about them. Since being on the Internet and checking basically any news will eventually lead him to news relating to video games and their companies, the reviewer can’t be checking the news. In other words, the reviewer you seek would be a total recluse who doesn’t stay up to date on anything solely to be unbiased. That’s…simply unrealistic, and likewise leads to our point that having an opinion on the company does not necessarily lead to a tangible bias on the product’s perception (if the other positive reviews of Nintendo, Konami, and other games didn’t already reveal that).

          • Wow. Just wow. You had me there. In the beginning I was like “YES HE GETS IT” then you kept writing. As someone who reviews games negatively and positively myself, I have to stay unbiased. The first sentence you wrote is my belief yes, after that it became opinion, out of context assumption and nonsense. A shit game is a shit game. Don’t be dense. I don’t perceive negative or positive reviews as bias, I just believe that companies and reviewers that have bias should not be allowed to contribute to a Meta. That is all. Tall task I know but if we don’t hold accountable those that cover the news media, we won’t get the clear picture.

          • RIME

            Fine, a little thought experiment for you:

            Imagine Jim was just a reviewer. He gets a positive reputation and Metacritic adds him to his critics list like he is now. However, Jimquisition doesn’t exist and he doesn’t have this site. He still holds his views, but he’s never published anything about them. He publishes this review as it is now and gives it the same rating. You’d think him unbiased then, wouldn’t you? You wouldn’t know about how he didn’t like the business practices of Nintendo or any company because he never published them in this universe. That’s the point, holding people accountable for having views at all punishes critics who have any public presence at all and aren’t just acting within the box of a confined task (writing reviews).

            What you’re seeking is both impossible to vet properly and not a worthy goal anyway as others have explained. Death of the author is a thing, and again, Sterling’s acclaim of many Nintendo titles shows that principle in effect.

          • Someone much smarter than me once taught me not to deal in “what if.” I can’t and wont go down that path simply because it does not exist and can’t ever.

            That said if he hadn’t shown his bias on youtube would I even be here? I doubt it. This is a news story simply because he is so well documented as a Nintendo antagonist.

          • RIME

            Actually, no, that’s not why it’s in the news. Sterling has had a reputation as being trod upon by fanatics (e.g. No Mans’ Sky prompting a DDOS on this site half a year ago) and developers (e.g. AAA publishers trying to put ads on his Jimquisitions, Indie studios trying to shut him up with false DMCAs, one studio outright suing him in a legal battle that took over a year) and this was yet another case of fanatic reaction that threw him in the spotlight again.

          • True. He does oppose the Meta to elicit a response. I should have seen that with the whole Hitler shtick. Kind of gives me even more reason not to trust him lol

          • RIME

            You said you didn’t oppose his critique, in which he pointed out that there were sticking points that bothered him greatly in the game that hindered him from saying this game was even close to his favorite Zelda. Yet you’re saying that his score of 7 wasn’t from a place of genuinity?

          • I’m saying that based on his bias for Nintendo, how can I?

          • Jaxs

            Your argument is crap.
            Your saying that no reviewer should have their opinion counted on a game if they say anything bad/good about the game company ever because that proves their bias.

            You pretty much want almost every game journalist out of a job because your under the assumption (which is a type of bias) that they can’t separate their personal feelings from their reviews and that because they can’t prove that they aren’t.

            You seem to have a CLEAR bias against most game journalists so why should I take anything you say seriously?
            You can’t prove your not biased.

          • Jaxs

            Literally what you said earlier:

            “If you are biased for or against a company, you should not be allowed to review their product. PERIOD.”

            Am I wrong?

          • Ronald Cooper

            If I might provide an different perspective on his point.

            “You can’t prove you’re not biased.” I think is the basis of his opinion, and it’s a pretty solid one at that. There is no way to prove or disprove that a review was written without any influence of bias, or at the very least without an opinion favoring the contrary.

            Idealistically, having a review written by someone who does not have any preconceptions or knowledge of where the product came from would garauntee that the review is based soley on the merits of the product itself, and not of any feelings or opinions about the company/individual that produced it.

            His original comment of not being able to take Jim’s review seriously, is probably a good mentality. Even Jim himself has gone on record saying his review is inconsequential or pointless or some other self depricating term, it’s simply his opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt as it were.

            While I don’t believe he is bias against Nintendo myself, there’s no way to prove his review wasn’t influenced(If even a tiny bit) by his feelings of the corproate fuckery they employ.

          • Jaxs

            Jim has a clear bias against Nintendo’s business side (who doesn’t?)
            So his reviews on Nintendo’s games shouldn’t be considered on an aggregate news site?

            I’m still not sure what your argument is.

          • You literally just said it. You cannot separate the two just because you want to. Even showing “proof” in good scores for other Nintendo games you cannot ever know completely whether or not they were or were not effected. To err is human. Simply put the fact that he does have bias means you cannot 100% know whether it affected his opinion. Just cannot.

          • RIME

            You said you’re a reviewer, right? Well, funny that you keep harping on bias, because I did some digging (thank you, avatar, for validating your identity along with the name) and your own reviews show it too. Just a few snippets from your Mighty No. 9 review:

            “I was prepared to just have fun and enjoy a game from one of the industry veterans responsible for decades of Mega Man. For the record, Keiji Inafune is not the creator of Mega Man but was arguably the most influential figure behind the franchise.” (bias towards Inafune)

            “After a suggestion from User: MannySlain in my Twitch chat to switch to Japanese voice acting and Retro Soundtrack, much of the pain was gone.” (Outside influence on experience) – this one’s kinda a sidenote but still worth noting. Would listening to the default sound affect your opinion of the game? Maybe not, but now the question’s out there…

            “This was the first sign that this game was developed with 8 year olds in 2016 in mind and not 31 year olds that have scars from the 8 bit generation.” (bias towards classic Mega Man)

            “It was by no means as hard as Mega Man X’s final boss, it was however a testament to what could be done with this game.” (bias towards Mega Man X)

            From the ending tone of the review as well (hoping for a sequel while lamenting the delays that wore on Comcept), it can thus be deduced that you are biased in favor of Inafune’s endeavors. Whether that affected your outlook on the game and its prospects, we cannot 100% know, but there is a bias there. To err is human, and you just proved it.

            So really, stop claiming Jim Sterling should not aim for being considered a serious critic when the same underlying principles could also affect you.

          • Jaxs

            You’re entire argument is based on assumptions.
            You think most video game journalists/reviewers are incapable of separating their personal feeling from their job. Which i’m calling bullshit unless you can prove otherwise.

          • I review video games and know many journalists that are required to score above a certain level. If you want proof I suggest you ask the guys at Kinda Funny. Similarly you could ask Laura Kate Dale, who is a known whistleblower, whether or not she knows of any specific reviews that have been bought and paid for. You are assuming I’m not actually someone that has worked in the industry. Sorry pal

          • Otherhand

            “The industry”, you joker. Gamers Heroes, a dressed-up site template. You have no better idea about the pro-journalism world than anyone else reading this.

          • Ronald Cooper

            To be Bias he would have to hold Nintendo Less Favorably than the other companies. Yet, I see him fertilizing his website with the shit they drop on him equally.

            He’s coined the phrase Fuckonami, as well as regularly points out all their fuckery on a regular basis on the Jimquisition. You can throw Ubisoft up there too.

            Or what about EA and it’s latest cockery with the Remastered Modern Warfare, along with their constant need to chop up a game and resell the pieces at a premium for DLC.

            Or Sony and Microsoft for the ludicrious idea to pay for online gameplay access, when people are already paying for online access.

            Or what about Steam and it’s greenlight and Valves lack of any curation? Hell from that you could go into Digital Homicide, a “developer” he had a two year stint against for their shady asset flips and critic silencing.

            Yet becaue he’s also pointed out some of the horrible business practices of Nintendo, he’s Bias against them specifically.

            Reality check, he’s critical of Every Game Developer/Corporation.

          • You are assuming different levels of bias which doesn’t make sense since as you put it he is critical of every game developer. Secondly if you believe Jim isn’t biased then you really do have a false sense of loyalty. It happens, don’t worry. He will still not care about you tomorrow.

          • Ronald Cooper

            A Bias requires it to be considered an Unfair Judgement in comparison to something else. What exactly is unfair about his assessment of Nintendo’s business practices when compared to his assessment of Konami, Ubisoft or EA?

            And if he is Bias, how can you tell it affected his review? Did you read the review? Were his pro’s and con’s not sufficiently self contained to the game, it’s playability and systems, or is there a point in the review you can point out that his Bias took over?

            Shouldn’t it be the Job of a reviewer to seperate their personal feeling about a company to provide a Fair Review about the product?

            If anything, Jim has a Bias regarding Durability and Stamina systems, anyone who plays or has played a game that has one does.

            So should anyone who dislikes these systems not play these games because of their bias, and potentially remove it’s mention from critisms from review to inform potential customers who might just share their view?

            Also, your making assumptions yourself and trying to discredit me and not the argument. This was my first post on the Jimquisition, I don’t see eye to eye with Jim on everything and infact I disagree with his video about the Morality to Pirate from Nintendo. Jim Sterling is a Brand, and Brand loyalty is pointless.

          • My apologies for my assumptions. This is only my second day knowing who Jim even is. I watched about 4 videos and formed my opinion about him. Its not really hard to formulate an opinion about Jim is it? I like him actually even though I find his Hitler shtick stupid. I think people like him need to exist but that doesn’t mean I have to read his review. His proven bias for Nintendo as a company makes me move on. Nothing against the dude I just can’t ever know whether or not he truly reviews any of their content without bias when he spews vitriol against them.

            That said I don’t think his assessments are false, nor do I think his review is biased. I quite agree with some of his points. Since Jim has decided to make himself a public figure with his videos and has published his opinions about Nintendo, I cannot know that his review is unbiased. Its not a knowable quality.

            Bias: prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

          • Ronald Cooper

            Apology accepted, I can tell we won’t agree on this issue so perhaps agreeing to disagree is the best course of action.

            It’s difficult not to formulate opinions in general about anything or anyone, even if they are snap judgements.

            And you’re right, it’s not a nowable quantity how much bias affects a review. Other reviewers tend to keep their opinions about the Company Proper to themselves so it’s difficult to assess if Bias may or may not have played a role in it.

          • I appreciate you sir. Thank you. First person on here that realizes its just my opinion about his bias. That is all. Not an attack, just an opinion based on the fact that I can’t possibly know how it or even if it effected his score.

          • Ronald Cooper

            I’ll be the first to admit it’s taken me a long time to realize that I don’t need to win every discussion I enter, now-a-days I tend to enter into them to try and get a different perspective.

            After all, a civil conflict of opinions and views makes life more interesting.

          • Jaxs

            But you’re saying that they should no longer be allowed to talk about their products which they require to do their jobs.

            Game companies sending in review copies is fine, anything beyond that is bullshit and should not be allowed, I’ll agree with you there.
            But In your IGN example you’re basically punishing reviewers because of what their bosses did or received.

            Your beef should be with CEO’s and game companies but instead you want the reviewers to take the punishment even though most of them are just trying to do their jobs as best as they can (which isn’t easy).

          • LMAO. If you really think that is how the video game industry works for journalists in it, good for you. I really recommend you go ask some professionals if what you believe is true. Hint: it isn’t. I don’t want the reviewer to be punished, I want them to do their job without bias which in some cases isn’t possible. Its also a lot harder to do when you have bias, and I say that from experience.

          • Otherhand

            “Technically”, “supposed to be”? From which stone tablet did you glean this holy law?

            Who is the authority requiring no bias in reviews? Who is to allow or disallow reviewers to write?

            Cards on the table, mate: it’s you, isn’t it?

          • English 101A.

          • Otherhand

            No. If something is “technically” a thing, you need to have a *detail* to show me, otherwise you are “chatting shit”. Where’s this definition of a review, or the rulebook? You have no morals if you equate a reviewer’s previous dislike of a business’s commercial tactics and/or other products with the collusion of media to exchange goods/advertising for their reviewers’ services.

            Your idea is absurd, since it expects reviewers to abdicate their responsibility as professional providers of opinions and instead eliminate some or all of their opinions. Your idea expects reviewers to produce some kind of generalist rundown of the game as if it was the only review that exists, rather than placing the responsibility on the reader to engage with a range of reviews to form their buying decisions. Your idea expects reviewers to eschew commentary which may indeed by relevant to the product in hand.

            It keeps getting pointed out to you again and again, but… Jim has given positive reviews to both the latest Watch Dogs and the latest Assassin’s Creed, despite being routinely critical of Ubisoft as a company and also of the creative model of their open world games. He’s been heavily critical of Konami as a business and MGSV for its social commentary, and yet MSGV got a 9. He loves Splatoon, loves Hyrule Warriors. Bad anti-Nintendo Jim.

            I want reviewers to have loud opinions about what they like and don’t like. I want dynamic language and passionate expression along with their incisive commentary. Then it’s really going to mean something when they give a positive review to companies they’ve previously slammed. I will sit up and REALLY pay attention to what they’ve got to say.

          • InfamousDS

            But you fail to see that Jim isn’t biased. He doesn’t talk about the games in the videos you cited in the other sub-thread. He talks about Nintendo-as-business, which like the rest of the games industry, has a certain minimum level of shittiness in order to meet the requirement to be a corporation.

          • I simply disagree with what you just wrote. You can be biased with a company based on an infinite number of reasons. I think it would be harder to prove he isn’t biased.

          • InfamousDS

            But we can prove he isn’t biased.
            He gave high scores to Pokemon Sun/Moon, only an average score to Pokemon Go (which he forced himself to play, I might add), has not gone out of his way to criticize Nintendo games he knows he would genuinely dislike like the rest of their mobile offerings after PGo and the Mario runner, only gave Star Fox a low score because it genuinely unplayable to him, has a long track record of positively scoring Nintendo games, has praised the business decisions they made which aren’t inane bullshit, and the biggest nail in the coffin is that he is on record several times saying a variation of the following:
            “I do not hate Nintendo. Like all games companies, I want them to succeed and grow and have long happy futures so we can continue to enjoy their products. I do not criticize from a place of dislike, only a place of love. Because it is my job to be critical, and to hate would make me bad at my job.”

          • Doesn’t prove anything. I didn’t even say that his review of BotW was negative because of his bias. I am saying he is biased period and should not be allowed to review any of their products.

            Lets get something straight. This is my problem with the industry period and not specifically Jim. I’m just here since this is the current Lightning Rod. IGN should be wiped off the planet for their biased reviews that are positive when a game is shit. Likewise I will be in their comments section if I have time.

          • InfamousDS

            “This evidence he hasn’t shown a bias isn’t proof he tries to have no bias.”

          • RIME

            That statement actually wipes out basically all of the *other* critics on Metacritic’s critic review section, because reviewer events and similar promotions mean there is a financial connection, even if indirect, between many of them and game companies.

          • Actually having spent time in this industry, you are correct.

          • Jeddostotle7

            Jim isn’t funded by a corporation. He’s funded by his viewers, and the only “corporation” involved is Patreon, which just acts to facilitate that crowdfunding.

          • I didn’t say he was. His bias is against Nintendo. It is a comparison using an opposite.

          • Rob

            Okay.
            1. A cursory read of a publication will make it clear whether or not everything they do is to improve the sales of their corporation. Nintendo Power didn’t give 5/5 to every game that launched on Nintendo systems. Conversely, everything Games Workshop releases is lauded in White Dwarf. So yes, they have the right, and you, the consumer, have to use some sense and logic in regards to their output.
            2. Jim makes no more money whether or not he gives 0s or 10s to Nintendo games. There’s no incentive to make up a score based on “they have terrible supply-line business practices”, since he gets all his money for reviews from *consumers*, rather than corps. Meaning under your logic he has more right to an opinion than almost everyone else that needs those early review copies and ad revenues.

          • 1. The reason I don’t read Game Informer.
            2. Money is not the only motivation someone can have to do something.

            Just because he doesn’t show ads doesn’t make him any less motivated to have a personal agenda. Don’t be naive. If that was the case he wouldn’t dress like Hitler. He wants to be controversial which is meaningless here.

        • Vivi2372

          He shouldn’t be allowed to comment about Nintendo games because he’s been critical of Nintendo’s shitty business practices before? Even though he liked the game in question and has given other Nintendo games he liked some excellent reviews, thereby proving this bias you’re blithering about doesn’t actually exist?

          Be honest with us now: are you joking? Never mind that you’re literally saying he can’t critique the companies games because he’s critiqued the company, you’re literally saying there’s a bias you have zero evidence exists and calling his credibility into question over it. This is ludicrous.

          • How is it ludicrous to say that someone who openly says to pirate a companies software is biased?

          • Wolfie

            It’s known as satire. Or do I have to Jonathan Swift into this?

          • Vivi2372

            He said to openly pirate their classic games rather than pay their obscene prices for a slow trickle of what are basically just roms of those games anyway. Also, there was a hefty bit of satire and humour there.

            And that still doesn’t have anything to do with all of the hard evidence in review form that he isn’t unfair to Nintendo games since he’s still given good reviews to a fair number of the ones that didn’t suffer major flaws or outright suck.

          • So because he has a shtick its ok? That is like saying because he is the President Donald Trump can grab a girl by the Pussy and its ok. Don’t be dumb. Illegal is illegal no matter how you spin it.

          • Jeddostotle7

            He said to pirate their games basically because Nintendo was showing more disregard for copyright law by abusing takedown systems than any person pirating games ever could.

    • Travis Touchdown

      I strongly doubt Jim was harassed, at least not to the extent that he was implying.

      The most my circle of Nintendo fans did was just laugh at him and go back to playing our game.

      • Jeddostotle7

        His website was fucking DDoSed, dude.

        • Travis Touchdown

          Which isn’t all that hard to do, from what I understand.

          That could be done by… what? A single person? Maybe a small group? Certainly not everyone who disagreed with the review.

          • InfamousDS

            Murder is really easy. All you have to do is… what? Stab someone a lot? I really don’t think we should make a big deal about murder any more. People die, dude! Get the fuck over it.

          • Wolfie

            So you admit he was harassed then.

      • Wolfie

        Strongly doubt?

        Are you legitimately fucking blind? His site was DDOS’d. The fucking featured comment says how he should DRINK BLEACH AND DIE.

        You’re fucking here going on about how he’s a fraud, a discredited nobody who shouldn’t have his opinions.

        Go fuck yourself up your own ass. Before it was kind of amusing just how god damn pathetically butthurt you are, but this just takes the cake. And then shits over it.

        • Travis Touchdown

          Triggered.

          • Jeddostotle7

            You just lost the argument by uttering that word.

          • Wolfie

            Says the little shitsquirt that continues to bemoan a critic on his own site because he gave a positive review towards a game but wasn’t positive enough.

            You were triggered as soon as that review went up. You’re STILL triggered. Fuck off, cumsnack.

          • Ian

            “Yes, thank you for your input.”

      • Vivi2372

        Considering his site was DDoS’d, and people attempted to hack him and that’s all he’s really said happened, I’d say he’s been harassed exactly as much as he said he has. And that’s without even getting into the people ranting on places like reddit that he gave it that score as a clickbait article (completely oblivious to his site not having ads and him not even tracking the traffic to his articles apparently).

      • Chris Schwartz-Brown

        You say that, but you’ve been here commenting for hours. Did Jim’s review trigger you? Do you fragile, special little Zelda snowflakes need Metacritic to be a safe space?

    • Benj

      Where has this anti-Nintendo bias charge come from.

      Are you still sore about Star Fox Zero or something?

      • Travis Touchdown

        Among a number of other poor reviews from him, yes.

        • Vivi2372

          Ignoring all of the positive reviews he also gives.

          And sorry, Star Fox Zero is shit. If that offends your delicate sensibilities that’s your problem.

          • I could care less. Bias is bias. I didn’t know who this guy was before yesterday. Star Fox was shite agreed.

          • Vivi2372

            Bias is bias and yet you still haven’t made a valid argument for him being biased. If he was hard on Nintendo’s business practices and gave every one of their games a terrible review you’d be on to something. But he doesn’t showing that he’s not biased at all.

            God forbid a person exist who can be extremely critical of a corporation doing shitty corporate things but still praise their games for the things they get right. How could such a person even exist in this black and white bullshit internet world?

          • I can’t post the actual video here or it wont be posted but he has a 16 minute video where he rants that because he can’t make money showing Nintendo Copyrighted material, its ok to pirate.

          • OctopussGrift

            Most of the people here have seen it, he was making a satirical point about how Nintendo wants Copyright to be a one way street. If everyone acted like Nintendo then we would never buy games and all pirate.

            To be fair it might not have come off that way, but that was the stated intent.

          • Vivi2372

            Yeah, we’ve all seen the video. It’s satire. You’ve already been told it’s satire. I’m not even sure why you needed to be told it was satire unless you’re ten years old. You still haven’t proven anything with your halfassed argument.

          • The obviously Hitler persona showed that it was satire, still a message that is seen by hundreds of thousands is still a message regardless of satire. He can say just kidding all he wants, you tell people to do something from a platform and they will do it

          • RIME

            Yes, and I’m sure “A Modest Proposal” had droves of people become cannibals. Oh right, no it didn’t, because it was recognizably satire. You’re giving the audience way too little credit here.

          • Vivi2372

            You can’t separate that message from the context to make your argument. The context was a satirical response to Nintendo’s butchering of copyright laws. Anyone who is going to take that video seriously was already going to download whatever the hell they want.

            Seriously, I’m starting to think you really are ten. Especially since you’ve apparently never seen a picture of Hitler.

          • You sure as hell can separate the context when the very title of the video says its ok. “Why It’s Morally Okay To Pirate All Of Nintendo’s Games (The Jimquisition)” literally contradicts your argument. That is like saying with all due respect, Go fuck yourself. But I said with all due respect!!!!! Satire doesn’t matter. And I’m the 10 year old.

            *sips tea*

          • Wolfie

            No. You can’t.

            Satire is based entirely on context. It’s a contextual medium. To understand it, you need to understand what it’s satirizing.

          • Got it. I will make sure and keep that in mind when I watch his videos “What Nintendo Fucked Up With The Switch So Far”, “Nintendo – A Shit Distributor And Fuckheaded Toymaker”, “Nintendo’s Virtual Console Is Trash Garbage”.

            Man this really puts my mind at ease that he isn’t biased against Nintendo and it was just satire the WHOLE TIME! *exhales*

            Its only satire if you aren’t truly biased

          • InfamousDS

            Being bullshit doesn’t stop you from employing people who aren’t bullshit. It may surprise you to learn that the PR and copyright departments don’t actually help make the games.

          • *eye roll*

          • Wolfie

            Now you’re just purposefully missing the point to assume your own position as correct, as well as ignoring the capability of differentiation.

            Nintendo IS a shitty company who does shitty things. They still make fantastic games. The fact I can say that only proves my point – he may be biased against Nintendo, as a company, as a practitioner of business and their policies and practices, but that does not mean he is bias against the games themselves.

            Because we’re adults and can differentiate between the two. Same concept with separating the artist from the art.

            However, that it is morally acceptable to pirate Nintendo games was the satire, yes, and specifically and only that, yes.

          • As a Business Major this is where I feel people don’t understand. If you have an intellectual property and don’t protect it from emerging markets that don’t have defined sets of copyright laws, you are not a smart business. Youtube is still in its early years. Acting like its been around for decades is the problem. Nintendo has been around for over 100 years and will protect itself from whatever emerging market comes around. Trust when I say that more companies will follow Nintendo and it will get harder for Content creators to use others copyrighted material. Fair Use aside, content creators like Jim are a dime a dozen and will continue to multiply forcing companies whose intellectual properties are being used to protect themselves.

          • Wolfie

            And what does any of this have to do with you taking a title literally at the rejection of its satirical context, and then misconstruing everything to be satire in a poor defense of your flawed argument?

          • Poor defense of my flawed argument. Lel. Fanboy any harder and you will have blood rushing out of your nose.

            You can’t have things both ways. You can’t literally slander something and say its satire so it doesn’t mean anything. It still holds the meaning no matter what.

          • Wolfie

            Unlike what you’re saying. Because you continue to demonstrate that you wholly misunderstand.

          • Just like you completely disregard any proven form of bias. That is called a stalemate

          • Wolfie

            Because you haven’t proven any. You associated two separate things and made a conclusion without evidence. That he gives Nintendo games “negative” reviews, because he has a beef with their business practices.

            But you haven’t proven that’s the case, all you’ve done was state that was the case, and that it is fact. No, that’s not how “proof” works.

          • I never said he gave negative reviews, never even implied it. I said I don’t take his BotW review seriously because of his bias.

            I am assuming your allegiance to Jim is why you are so staunchly against anything I say so I can sympathize with you.

            I’ve given multiple examples in this thread where he has slandered Nintendo in multiple of his videos. Do I really need to sample them here? I’m assuming you know what I’m talking about since you know Jim so well.

            All I keep getting in return is that it is “satire” or to “inform the consumer.” These are not justifiable reasons that he holds no bias just because he wants them to do good. Intentions and actions are different things. Just because he wants Nintendo to be a good company does not take away from the fact that he verbally berates their practices. Him not being biased would be extraordinary.

          • Wolfie

            “blished bias should not be allowed to critique something they are already seeking to NEGATIVELY EFFECT.” You did imply it, right there. Now I will admit that if it was not intended, then that is my bad.

            However. You have not shown any bias in his review. You say he he “slanders” Nintendo, which I’ll put aside the choice of wording and say… yes. He is critical of Nintendo. Nobody, absolutely nobody, is refuting that. Many of us AGREE with him.

            But those are criticisms about their corporate policies, about their business practices. It is almost never about the games themselves as, say… Umbrella Corps or The Division.

            You are ASSUMING that his dislike of Nintendo as a corporation over their business practices means he is inherently bias against Nintendo GAMES. You have not proven that, at all. As I said and I will repeat, you made an assumption, and then stated that assumption as fact, and thus demand everyone else accepts it as fact.

            To use an anecdotal example, Lovecraft is a flaming anti-Semitic racist. He’s still my favorite author and I love his works. This is because I am able to separate the author from his art. I am able to put aside the prejudices of the man to enjoy the art of his written word.

            You seem to want to defiantly argue this is not possible. Sure, he has biases, but not in the way you assume, and these biases are prevalent amongst any reviewer. They are biases towards genres, towards particular mechanics, etc. However, if you think he has a biased against Nintendo games because of Nintendo as a company, then put your money where your mouth is, and prove it. Show me, in his written reviews, clear indications that his dislike of Nintendo has colored his review of their games.

            I’ll spare you the time and put this forward – you cannot, because he is someone capable of consistently fair judgement in spite of his dislike of Nintendo as a company.

            And in my defense:

            Zelda: Breath of the Wild – 7/10
            Pokemon Sun & Moon – 8.5/10
            Rhythm Heaven Megamix – 8/10
            Kirby: Planet Robobot – 9/10
            Hyrule Warriors – 9.5/10
            Zelda: Twilight Princess HD – 8.8/10

            For someone who’s so biased against Nintendo, those are a lot of positive reviews.

          • Now we are cookin’! Very well put defense. I simply disagree.

            From a business law perspective solely, it does not matter whether his form of bias is for the Company that makes the game or the game makers themselves. Simply does not matter. The fact that you are trying to separate them is admirable but would never hold up in court.

            Kudos for the examples where he showed positive scores but similarly they are meaningless to this argument. He has a bias against Nintendo, that is fact. That alone makes me pass on his review as well it should. Simply put, I cannot ever know whether his bias affected his score. Its not a knowable quality regardless of how good of a reviewer he is.

            Again, well made defense.

          • Malnu

            “From a business law perspective solely, it does not matter whether his
            form of bias is for the Company that makes the game or the game makers
            themselves. Simply does not matter. The fact that you are trying to
            separate them is admirable but would never hold up in court.”

            Funnily enough, when Jim was sued by Digital Homicide, the idea that his bias was against the company and not the developers themselves did hold up in court. It held up so well that the case was pending dismissal on this alone unless the plaintiff got a lawyer and sued as the company, not the individual.

            Secondly, having bias doesn’t invalidate criticism if that bias is openly disclosed, if anything it’s a useful tool for the consumer to have. I often disagree with Laura K. Dales opinions on games to a very reliable degree. She’s become a valuable critic to me, because if she likes something, I probably won’t, and vice versa. If I just dismissed everything she had to say due to her apparent biases, I’d have lost all the value in her criticism, and missed out on an awesome human being to boot.

          • Benj

            Search his videos about EA, Ubisoft, Konami, Microsoft, Sony, Activision and (if you’ve got a lot of time to kill) Digital Homicide.

            Criticism isn’t bias.

          • I’m home sick from work today so I will do. I don’t understand how you can’t see bias.

          • Benj

            Jim has praised and criticised many companies for their practises. His general style in the Jimquisition makes it easy to view him as being disrespectful and antagonism because that’s the way the character works… and it’s kind of funny as well.

            He’s been especially critical of Nintendo for their treatment of Youtubers because their actions have been uniquely egregious. While other companies might sometimes block monitisation, Nintendo are actively stealing ad revenue they have no legal right and are trying to bully them into signing away their independence.

            Having said that Jim is definitely more critical of Ubisoft and Konami than he is of Nintendo (he has regular “FucKonami” and “Oh Ubisoft!” segments of his show) and his criticisms of Nintendo are often underlined with exasperation at how they make these misteps while doing so many things really right in the face of dumb moves by other developer/ publishers.

          • InfamousDS

            He picked the title specifically to piss off people like you who would take it literally. He has said so in Podcasts and YouTube videos after the fact.

          • RIME

            He kept hammering throughout that video that he wasn’t saying to pirate, that it was an analogy to Nintendo’s behavior regarding the issue.

          • Wolfie

            Nor was it about “I can’t make money.” It was about Nintendo’s defiance of law that they have to take fair use into consideration. Which they do not do. Ever.

            Edit: You know what? I’m sharing it again, because it needs to be spread around.

            https://www (dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=lUce6irE3H0

          • Benj

            How the hell can you know he’s biased against Nintendo if you didn’t know who he was before yesterday?

          • how hard is it to watch a couple of videos on Youtube. Try again

          • Travis Touchdown

            What positive reviews? Everything he does seems to have some kind of politically motivated slant.

            Also Star Fox Zero rules.

          • Oh come on man, don’t be dense. I just learned who he was yesterday and after two seconds of looking I saw he gives plenty of good reviews.

          • Wolfie

            And now it’s politically motivated? For fuck sakes, digging deep into the well, aren’t you. The well’s bone dry but be damned if you aren’t going to try to squeeze the very dust out of it.

          • Mauricio

            You can see the gears turning:

            A – Jim is a human being
            B – human being have opinions about politics
            C – therefore EVERYTHING Jim Sterling does, is to advance a political point of view.

            Flawless logic…

        • Terriosaurus Hex

          You’re still here? Why? Go and enjoy life, for crying out loud!

          • Wolfie

            I openly admit that’s advice I should consider as well.

          • Terriosaurus Hex

            You at least have the legitimate excuse of enjoying the content here 😉

          • InfamousDS

            I enjoy nothing. I’m required by corporate mandate to not leave a website once I visit it.

            I thought my boss would change his mind when he caught me on PornHub. He approved and I got a raise.

          • Terriosaurus Hex

            Good work, obedient citizen! Your cheque will arrive soon in the post. GCHQ records thanks your contribution to national security. Fine day, sir!

          • Mauricio

            Remember, we want detailed reports on the grandma category!

          • Wolfie

            This is the story of Stanley…

          • InfamousDS

            I’m so glad people got the reference.

        • sindre1818

          And let’s not forget him giving Assassins Creed 2 a 4. Obvious bias. SAD.

          • Awe did he? I liked that game. Sad face. I gave AC 3 a shitty score cause it was broken garbage. Tomahawk was fun though

          • sindre1818

            I love all the games up to and including 4. AC3’s gameplay wasn’t great, but really liked the story.

          • Otherhand

            I have a weird obsession with that series. I’ve bought and played every game to the end, many of them multiple times. But while AC2 was a wonderful experience in its day, it was never a great game. If you were into its story, aesthetic and atmosphere, then great; they moved you on to some new location or plot point pretty quickly. To someone who didn’t fall under that spell, it was indefensibly lacking in excitement or fun in its actual systems.

            I have tried and failed many times in the years since to play that game again, but i can’t because there is nothing there for me now that I’ve seen it. I think it’s worth more than a 4, but I can’t fault someone else saying it is not.

          • sindre1818

            As someone who has played through AC2 lots of times and still love it, I even like the combat, though Brotherhood massively improved it. I could not care less what score Jim gave it. My first coment was just making fun of people that do 😛

          • Otherhand

            Ah 🙂 Sorry, I’ve spent too much time in the Metacritic jungles in the last couple of days because the psychology of all this fascinates me. Inevitably, while this site was down, the Slant Magazine shitshow became a battleground of Nintendo Vs Slant/Sterling, so I’ve seen the issue of his AC2 review (from nearly a decade ago!) come up a few times with no intended irony.

    • RipTide

      This argument that Jim’s review should not be taken seriously is coming from a place of completely misunderstanding Jim. The whole thing hinges on the idea that Jim hates Nintendo and wants everything they do to fail and that’s just not true.

      Jim does not want Nintendo to fail, he does not want Activation to fail, he does not want Konami to fail, heck he even came out and said early on (before the lawsuit) he was hopping Digital Homicide would turn things around and make a good game. He is not for the downfall of these companies he is for us, the consumers.

      Even his (clearly a joke title)” it is totally ok to pirate Nintendo games” video, was not about seriously harming Nintendo it was about their complete disregard for laws when the law says something they don’t like. It isn’t a bias against Nintendo, it is a bias against anti consumer business moves and he displays the same feelings towards every company that pulls this kind of stuff.

      So if what he does shows a bias against Nintendo, it also shows a bias against most other game companies as well. Yet he is more than happy to pass out “Fair” reviews to games from those companies. There is nothing that makes Nintendo a special hated company for him, so this whole idea is meaningless.

      • Your opinion that my idea is meaningless is null. I’ve defended my perspective fervently. Read below because I’m not writing it again.

        Jim is a very talented Critic and Content Creator. I don’t even have a problem with him making videos that inform the consumer as to how a company is using terrible business practices. Its when I watch a video of his about Nintendo that I draw my conclusion from. Take (Nintendo’s Virtual Console is Trash Garbage) when he defines a “Nintendo Move” as a move that “defies all human comprehension.” This literally shows his disdain for the company and its practices.

        Not wanting to harm something is an intention. His actions are different. Not saying he’s wrong. Not even gonna try because Nintendo is ruthless. I stand by my opinion that he should not be allowed to review Nintendo products based on his actions against said company.

        • sindre1818

          … You are clearly paranoid. There is not a publisher around he HASN’T spoken out against at some point. Should he just not review ANY game?

          • Am I? I thought I was just bored and home sick from work. Oh well you sure got me.

        • RipTide

          Ok, first my “opinion” was simply stating that the basis for your entire argument is something that Jim is on record multiple times saying is false. It is true that I can not guarantee that there is no bias there, but if Jim calling out bad business practices proves a bias and disqualifies him form reviewing a company’s games, Jim would be disqualified from reviewing most games.

          Lets get a few examples where this argument does not hold water. I’ll start with a pretty big one, Ubisoft, the target of multiple Jimquisiton episodes and target of the occasional segment “Oh Ubisoft”, it is clearly a company that Jim is fond of bashing. Yet look at Watch Dogs 2, a game he gave a glowing 9/10 review despite his massive bias against the company. Next how about EA a company often brout up when discussing shitty company’s, and what is this a 9.5/10 for Titanfall 2. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided from Square Enix, another common target for Jim, and a game that was heavily criticized for its development philosophy’s and preorder shenanigans, yet it scored a 9/10. Still on Square Final Fantasy XV with a dang good 8/10. Now to look at Randy Pitchford, founder and CEO of Gearbox Software, and Gearbox themselves a company and man Jim often criticizes for their handling of Aliens: Colonial Marines, and their game Battleborn with an impressive 8.5/10. Last, the final nail in the coffin, Kirby: Planet Robobot, a Nintendo game getting a 9/10.

          If his bias was stronger than his integrity then all of these games would have lower scores with less glowing reviews. That’s not the case though. All of these examples, though not definitive proof because that is impossible, shows a history of a reviewer that does not let the company impact his opinion of the game.

          • Otherhand

            On Ubisoft, he was also among the reviewers who rated Assassin’s Creed Syndicate pretty highly. If he holds grudges, he’s awful at keeping them.

          • You clearly don’t know what you are doing here. You just proved yourself false then went on and on about meaningless scores. If he is biased, then he shouldn’t review. PERIOD. Doesn’t matter how many examples you want to parade in front like justification for your argument. They are null and void.

            I could care less what he scored any of these games, simply put I can’t trust him because he is biased. You go right ahead and continue believing what you want. I’m not saying he’s a bad dude, in fact people like him need to exist but I don’t share your opinion regardless of how many good scores you show me.

            Journalism is supposed to be unbiased and true to the content being covered. Some of his scores may very well be unbiased, hell maybe even most of them. That is the problem I have, how can I know? If definitively it could be known that none of his scores were biased then maybe I’d give him a shot but I can’t know that now can I? No because he is human and to err is human. Your false sense of propping him up on a pedestal like he is immune to such characteristics is really silly to me. Right now the system is flawed to allow people like him to do what they want and their isn’t anything stopping that.

          • RipTide

            Usually this website has a higher caliber of commenter but this whole Zelda thing has attracted to many Internet rando’s. I should have know better than to respond after your first Internet fuled attempt to completely dismiss, rather than counter, fact and logic.

            If you cant understand how a person’s history can prove or disprove bias you have gone to far into Internet argument mode to be worth it anymore.

    • Muddy Scarecrow

      Reviews are by their very definition biased. Opinion will never be objective.

  • Turdsley

    Here are the things I don’t understand. Why does anyone care about Metacritic User Reviews? More importantly, why do people even care about review scores?

    • Bashtarle

      Review scores can be a really useful tool when you are deciding if a game is worth your money or not. However they are only a useful tool if you find a reviewer that shares your tastes. Otherwise they are virtually worthless.

      • sindre1818

        I find them good for sorting which reviews to read. Then I can read both why people liked it, and disliked it, and see what I agree with.

      • Turdsley

        I’d rather just watch/read a review than look at a score.

  • AdesteFideles

    I own neither a PS4 nor a Switch.

    I have played neither H:ZD nor LoZ:BoTW.

    I’m really conflicted as to which game to give a zero and which a ten.

    🙂

    • Toal

      Sounds like a business to me. “Here’s my Paypal folks, start paying or your game gets a zero.”

    • Nitrium

      Create two accounts and do one of each. Then you can make sure it IS a zero sum game.

      • AdesteFideles

        If I made two accounts then I would need to make a third to troll the others.

        • Nitrium

          There’s nothing stopping you. You could even create a fourth saying how despicable the people are that are trolling and voting up/down the games. You can be a one-man army of video game controversy, covering ALL the angles.

    • padaco

      well, make sure you are as angry and hateful as possible before writing any reviews. I usually punch myself in the junk a few times before heading to the internet. it helps to get me in the right mood.

      • AdesteFideles

        Nut-punching seems a bit extreme just to work myself up to typing:

        1/10 LOLz or 10/10 GOAT!!!11!!!

      • Artemiy

        Write an angry and hateful text for BOTH games… And give them BOTH 10/10.
        That’d be delicious.

        • Ian

          I like the way you think.

    • MG_Salad

      As someone in the exact same position, I think I’ll be generous and give both a 5. That way they can share it.

  • Mando44646

    What do these people *do* all day? Scream and whine on the internet? Why don’t they just run for president instead?

    • makiHyunda

      They also sometimes masterbate to photos of their mother….I hear…

  • makiHyunda

    Uncharted is far from perfect.

    • OctopussGrift

      Although it is blatantly better than Breath of the Wild.

      • Travis Touchdown

        You have got to be kidding me.

        Uncharted isn’t even as good as Federation Force or Devil’s Third.

        • InfamousDS

          “Inside joke immediately goes over the head of the fanatical person who has automatically assumed he is better than Jim thanks to a positive score not being a perfect score.”-cliche’

        • OctopussGrift

          I am delighted that you play the part of the fanboy so enthusiastically. If there were Emmys for fanboyism I would nominate you today.

          • Bosch

            He’s got a reputation for this kind of fanaticism across multiple various websites, Octopuss. He’s been nominated and awarded many times over.

          • OctopussGrift

            I look forward to hearing his acceptance speech then.

          • Wolfie

            Jim Sterling something cunt something something slap in the face something won seven out of ten categories.

          • Bosch

            You have no idea how delighted I was to see this fracas had summoned him here. It’s like he saw the Gamergate-signal in the sky and came swooping in like some strange, alternate-universe version of Batman in a fedora.

          • Wolfie

            Hmm, except having dealt with some hard GGers, he ain’t got nothing on them in terms of being an outright dick.

            Can’t even be insulting without being pathetic.

          • Bosch

            Oh, you’ve already gotten halfway there by bringing up Gamergate in a negative light. Try bringing up Undertale and you’ll see the fireworks fly. It’s a GLORIOUS kind of stupid.

          • Wolfie

            Oh? I haven’t been “in contact” (ahem, visceral arguing) with them for a fairly long time now. I think I dropped out before Undertale came out, in fact.

            Well, actually, not necessarily my choice, but I was banned by a GG-friendly site, which funnily enough, is Jim’s old employer, The Escapist. I hear it ain’t doing so well nowadays.

          • Jag Gentlemann

            We can say the same about you. Uncharted games are more movies than games, and even as games, they are cover shooters you have to play with a controller.

          • OctopussGrift

            I have actually never played Uncharted. But it has an 8 on this site so it must be better than Breath of the Wild with its 7.

          • Jag Gentlemann

            If you take Jim’s opinion as the only truth, yes, it is.

          • OctopussGrift

            At this point I can’t tell if you don’t get the joke or if you’re being purposefully obtuse.

          • Jag Gentlemann

            The first reason.

        • William Orlando Figueroa

          But is better than The Order 1886, though.

    • padaco

      no game ever has been or ever will be “perfect”. every 10/10 game in history has had flaws, many flaws. they are simply regarded as masterpieces, regardless of their flaws.

      • sindre1818

        Lies! Witcher 3 is perfect in every way!

        • William Orlando Figueroa

          Not a lot of people think that’s true, though. Most people don’t like the story and some find the combat ‘meh’.

          • sindre1818

            They are obviously all objectively wrong

    • RetroNomad

      Agreed.
      It was an amazing story/adventure experience.
      But the gun play got repetitive at points.
      On that note, I replay it more as a way to enjoy the story again and less as a way to shoot endless nameless doods.

    • William Orlando Figueroa

      This is why I think horizon zero dawn deserves to be called PS4’s best exclusive and not Uncharted. Atleast Horizon had more gameplay.

  • makiHyunda

    I own both.

    I play both.

    I prefer zelda but zdh has far less highs but also less lows so they balance.

    They represent such different takes on the same game.

    Thank God we have both and I can afford them haha

    I’m grateful for a world full of diversity and counter opinion but I lament the endless shit slinging.

  • Mammo

    All I took out off this was the reinforcement of the idea that Metacritic should go away. It serves no purpose, smashing arbitrary numbers together and calling it a day serves no one. And if you can’t read and you get upset because Jim gave that and that game a 7/10 and that and that a 9.5/10, then may what ever higher being you look up to have mercy on your soul.

    • OctopussGrift

      When people aren’t freaking out about it Metacritic can be useful to see the general feelings about a piece of media.

      • Mammo

        Yeah, comparing criticism and what people liked and disliked about a product (a piece of art?) is well and good, but Metacritic is all about the numbers and stars and what-nots at the end of a review and crunching them together to form some kind of mutated consensus of whats good and whats bad, and like I said, I don’t see that serving any form or function.

  • Aiwass

    At least we can all come together and agree that all gamers are scum.

    • Wolfie

      Yeah, but we’re all scum in different ways. I wouldn’t be caught dead being as bad as those… Zeldots?

      Going for a portmanteau of zealot and Zelda.

      • Bosch

        That was pretty good. I always feel kinda bad giving fandoms derogatory nicknames even if it’s only aimed at a vitriolic subset, but that’s at least funny.

        • Wolfie

          Why thank you!

  • Nenilein

    Actually, a lot of the Metabombing reviews aimed at Zelda were taken down (apparently by the users who posted them) after The Know brought a report on the Metabombing incident, but screenshots of them do exist, so you’re partially wrong;
    It’s not that the evidence doesn’t exist; you just got to it too late.

    (I agree with the rest of the article though)

    • Ari

      Can you link a source ‘cuz I ain’t finding anything.

    • Otherhand

      Sorry, what? If someone is moved to play Tens And Zeros on Metacritic, why would an article cause them to self-edit? It’s not as if there aren’t articles on Metabombing every month.

      Also, you would need hundreds of suddenly sheepish ex-bombers to create this reality.

      • Nenilein

        Look, maybe there was some actual moderation in play there, I don’t know, all I known is that I saw the metabombing when it happened and the evidence still exists. Check out “The Know” on YouTube. They’re part of Roosterteeth, so rather reliable, and their video was uploaded a week ago.

  • Anton

    The epitome of sadness.

  • Thomas Vincent Szaban

    From what I can tell, most H:ZD fans seem blissfully unaware of BoTW’s existence. Most who do are like “meh, whatever”. I’m sure a few are in fact raving lunatics, but BoTW’s online fanbase seems to be made up of nothing but. I didn’t even consider their were any parallels between the two until now. One is fantasy, the other is post apocalyptic sci-fi. The protagonists both go up against mechanical foes using bows is as far as I got in comparisons. I hoped that maybe having a decent game would make Nintendo fanboys less insecure not kick them into overdrive.

    • TheMagicLemur

      If jim hadn’t given Horizon a higher score than BotW I’m sure they’d quit hating on it. It’s really, really sad.

      • Thomas Vincent Szaban

        Wow. I looked back at his H:ZD review and you are right! WTF? There were Zelda fanboys gunning for that game ahead of time?! It’s like finding out someone is trying to murder you because they think you looked at them wrong.

  • ckmondavi

    I’m surprised you gave BOTW a 7 and not lower based on the weapon breaking mechanic. The weapon breaking mechanic sounds like a deal breaker to me! weapon breaking mechanic aside, when it comes to play link or Igrett in machine land, I’ll take the Red head huntress in 2112 any time!

    • Bosch

      For what it’s worth, the weapon breaking mechanic was probably one of the main reasons for it not being at least a little higher, or so I infer. Maybe wrongly.

      • Slightly Pished Scotsman

        In all fairness, it is a large part of the game so having the score down in response to isn’t out of the realm or reasoning.

      • ckmondavi

        When it comes to survival mechanics such as weapon breaking, they tend to put off a lot of older gamers like myself who have limited time to game. I get where Nintendo got the idea, but after reading and listening to Jims complaints about the mechanic it puts me off picking up BOTW for my wii u. That said I’d want it to get it with the switch anyways which is sold out and sounding like theirs some 1st batch problems with the switch currently. Maybe by the time I get a switch they will have a no weapon breaking mode for people who don’t have time for that mechanic

        • InfamousDS

          He has felt this way for a while, though. Look up his “Let It Die” review, many of the same complaints are levied in much more detail than reviews preceding it.

  • OctopussGrift

    A lot of people are asking why Zleda fans are here and I think I figured out the “Why” of it all. When a person feels a real deep connection to a piece of work it often inspires an artistic feeling in them. We see this with cosplayers, fan artists, and fan musicians. Unfortunately many people lack the skills needed to do these, I find myself sometimes in the same position wishing I was better at costume making so I could cosplay. My talents lie elsewhere so I like to paint and theorize to show my appreciation for things I like.

    These Zelda fans are performance artists. Their best way to express their love for Zelda is to work themselves into a frenzy and release their creative energy as emotional outcries that on the surface may seem like bitter anger, but underneath they are love letters to Zelda Breath of the Wild. In its own way, it is beautiful.

    • Mauricio

      Yes…DDOS-ing the site of a critic because he gave a game, 2 points lower than what these insane people wanted…beautiful…

      • RoanarTheFruitiful

        And even then would 9 have been enough? Really? They just want 10 or nothing

        • Anton

          Give it 8.9999999 for ultimate pointless rage.

          • RoanarTheFruitiful

            Haha 8.9 and a coupon for the local grocery store

          • Mauricio

            Nah man, the game score should fall to 5, because of the fan reaction to a 7.

          • TheMagicLemur

            Frankly at this point I’d want to spite-review it just to piss off the fanboys even more. 1/10!

    • Anton

      Beautiful, otherworldly autistic screeching.

    • Ian

      I’ll agree with you up to the point that death threats and DDoS strikes get involved. Once we reach that stage, I don’t think you can argue that it just looks like bitter anger “on the surface”.

      • OctopussGrift

        I was more referring to the amount of Zelda fans in this comment thread in particular, who I find very funny. It becomes less funny when they start trying to harm people.

    • Oliver Mendes

      “Obviously, we’re talking about a small subset of particularly troubled individuals who have replaced their sense of self with videogames.”

  • LarZen

    I’m supposed to be playing the best game ever. But I got no time as I have to be so many places defending it and convincing others that mine and others that love the game is the correct opinion! I hope people stop having other opinions then me soon as I really want to play the best game ever!!

    • Mauricio

      OH… then Bad Rats 2 was launched!

      Best franchise ever!

  • Ashley JamesHutchinson

    What happened to the real gamers that appreciate all games on all platforms? Other than XBones cause that sucks..? JK.

    • LarZen

      They are probably playing games.

      • Anton

        And laughing at everyone participating in the flame wars.

    • RoanarTheFruitiful

      They’re around, just not very vocal. Hungry hungry Hippo master race

      • Ashley JamesHutchinson

        Damn was a good game!

        • RoanarTheFruitiful

          Haha you’re damn right it is. It’s all about leaning the board to your side in the most discreet way possible

    • frkmgnt1

      We’re mostly too busy playing games on every possible platform to bother worrying about Metacritic scores. Just a guess (or my personal experience). So, disclaimers/subjectivity/my opinion and all that jazz…

      I mean, except the Switch because that one has to wait a bit. But I’ll figure it for next year (assuming they don’t pull a Wii U on it and screw it over.)

  • Ed

    as someone who thinks Breath of the wild is the greatest video game made yet, I have a message to Zelda fans complaining about jim’s review: let go. Let go of the anger, of the need to be right all the time, of the need for reality to bend to how you desire it. A person exists who disagrees with you. It’s okay. The world will continue on. No amount of rage or vitriol will make you happier, only more bitter.

    • ben

      I have a message for people who believe Jim on this whole debacle. Jim said, on the 2nd of March.. that someone will get shit for giving Zelda a 7. At the point Jim published his review no one had.. so Jim manufactured this because Jim has fuck all to write about.

      • Jeddostotle7

        That’s the flimsiest conspiracy theory I’ve seen in my goddamn life.

      • Wolfie

        If he had fuck all to write about, then how did he managed to write a review?

        • Muddy Scarecrow

          One of the longest reviews I’ve seen him write at that

      • Mauricio

        Oh no…you mean Jim hinted at the score that he would give at his review? Is this even legal?

        The horror, the horror!

        • Jeddostotle7

          I don’t think Jim necessarily expected to give it a 7.

        • ben

          Before he had even played the game… you Jim defenders are dumb as fuck.

          • Mauricio

            Oh yes, because it’s completely impossible that Jim was making a broud statement about the fan reaction to things like this, and because would also be completely impossible for anyone else or even Jim to give it a 7/10, if wasn’t for that.

            I also love that this is the saddest conspiracy theory of them all…a conspiracy theory which only involves a single person with no effects or consequence on anything…

            You’re paranoid kid.

          • ben

            Let me explain it to you fucking morons who suck this man`s penis. Jim was not sent review code, Jim was not commissioned to write the review Jim did not own the game until after most of us did. Jim had no obligation to review this game. He did it for the sake of controversy. Anyone who cannot see that is fucking stupid and is a gullible fuck. Do you think Jim was doing consumers a favour publishing a review 10 days after the game had sold out in many countries? Where people waiting with baited breath for this review, were they fuck. Jim was praying someone would give this game a bad review so he would have some fucking content for his site and his youtube show… when no controversy occurred he manufactured it. If you think otherwise you are fucking idiot.

          • Mauricio

            Yeah…it’s not like this is Jim’s job, you know, to review video games, and it’s not like a zelda game is anything special in the video game industry and tons of people would be interested in reading about it.

            Also, Jim clearly didn’t made use of his time machine, that would allow him to review a gigantic open world game in a single day.

            Also,i love how you accuse Jim of twisting events to make himself look like a victim, when so far the only thing he did was to post his review of the game, but clearly this despicable act of rating zelda a MISERABLE and PATHETIC 7/10, couldn’t be tolerated!

            This CLEARLY was an act of pure provocation and spite, fabricated by Jim to paint a target on his own head!

            Also Jim is part of the illuminaty and is on a cabal with brazzers to show pornograph to all his viewers and corrupt their pure minds!

            I SPEAK THE TRUTH, BROTHERS!

          • ben

            So what the fuck was his recent Jimquisition other than a poor me everyone attacked me for my fucking review?

            No, it is not his job. It is the job of someone who works for a large site who gets told to review a game for a commission. It is his job to review games he is asked to review by PRs and marketing departments.. It is funny how little people know about this business.

            And yes he was actively painting a target on his head when he was provoking fans with it is OK to steal from Nintendo and then accuses people of being terrible fans before he even posted his review and I am sorry if he fuckt with 4chan and they ddos his site but he should have known how crazy those fuckers are.

          • Mauricio

            It is his job, the fact that he can choose what games he will or not review doesn’t make this not a job.

            Yes, Jim said it’s ok to pirate nintendo games, do you remember why he said it? Because nintendo doesn’t give a fuck about the law and will actively try to steal your money out of any video you make if there’s any amount of nintendo’s game footage in it. Your podcast can be 2 hours long, but if there’s a nintendo game trailer in it, which you used to show what games is coming out and talk about it, nintendo will try to steal your money on that video…but i understand that reciprocity might be a concept too advanced for you.

            ” then accuses people of being terrible fans before he even posted his
            review and I am sorry if he fuckt with 4chan and they ddos his site but
            he should have known how crazy those fuckers are.”

            You must be one of those people that blame a woman for being raped, because of the clothes she was wearing.

          • ben

            Jim does not understand fairuse at all. The man is an idiot.

          • ben

            And please don’t use such fucking stupid hyperbole. Accusing someone of trying to cause a controversy and rape have little in common and ddos is not a rape.. wow.. wow.. just fucking wow… Jim has fans that are just on all kinds of stupid when it comes to everything.
            You should actually read the law on fairuse instead of trusting a person who did not even pass highschool for your information.

          • Mauricio

            It’s a extremely fitting analogy, blame the victim because you don’t like something they did.

            Also, i have lawyer friends and i also follow a copyright attoney on youtube AND the fair use law protects works of critic, it’s you mate that show go read the law.

      • TheMagicLemur

        CONSPIRACY! ILLUMINATI!

        • mrhair

          Next, on the Parapod…

      • Miliardo
  • George

    “Obviously, we’re talking about a small subset of particularly troubled individuals who have replaced their sense of self with videogames.”

    I think you’ve hit it on the head Sir. This is what I think the major problem is.

    • Anton

      Question is… exactly how small of a subset is this, exactly? Because this particular retardation appears to be contagious.

      • Miliardo

        I think it’s the Internet Echo Chamber doing its work. A small group of differently-adjusted individuals can effect great fire and thunder, signifying nothing. It’s people like this that talk about wanting to give the Pope a copy of Undertale, because ~determination~.

        • Jeddostotle7

          Uh… I think you got that whole situatiom wrong. What happened is that one guy, MatPat, of The Game Theorists YouTube channel, was invited (along with several other YouTubers) to meet the Pope, and when you meet the Pope, you are expected to give him a gift. MatPat, being a YouTuber mostly focused on gaming, was obviously going to give the Pope some game, and he chose Undertale.

          • Miliardo

            Is that what that was? How does one give a copy of a digital game to il Papa? Does Undertake have physical copies?

          • Jeddostotle7

            USB?

      • George

        Well even if it is1000 people writing nasty comments an attacking Jim, that would be a very small subset of the hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people who bought the game and or a Nintendo Switch or the millions of Zelda fans who did not buy BOTW but are fans none the less. I prefer the hand held Zelda’s myself.

        …Well at least that’s my hope…The internet does have a way of taking a small deviant minority opinions/behaviour and amplifying it through 10,000 mega phones while rest of the members of that community get embarrassed.

  • RetroNomad

    Boy oh Boy. What a fucking ride this has been.
    All over V I D E O G A M E S.
    I plan on buying both tbh. Well, I’ll be getting ZD:H and the GF will be picking up BoTW. We’ll more than likely play each, find things to enjoy and dislike, express these things and keep enjoying the games.
    I always look forward to these moments with people. Where we can *TALK* about the games rather than scream like animals and throw shit at an opinion we don’t like.
    Not like an *OPINION* is life or death. I’ll never understand this sub human reaction to something that doesn’t change ones personal enjoyment of a *PRODUCT*.

  • Anton Caligari

    Is there a reason why the colours in Zelda look bleached or is that just a strong haze/filter? (haven’t had a chance to play the game, just watching the play-throughs on youtube).

    • daraven

      It’s actually just a misuse of recording devices by a whole lot of let’s players. If you go to Blunty on YouTube he explains what it is and how to turn it off.

    • TheMagicLemur

      It’s probably an evil Sony-led conspiracy to make Horizon looks more colorful than Breath of the Wild. Diabolical fiends!

    • ATBro

      It’s an intentional aesthetic choice. It kind of makes the game look washed out when you watch it on compressed internet video.

  • James Richardson

    Considering how much I’ve liked breath of the wild, I would honestly agree with jim’s score, especially since this is but Nintendo’s first foray into open world. Those who insist this is a 10/10 are insulting Nintendo by implying this is the best they can do.

    They can do so much better.

    • MG_Salad

      That’s actually a brilliant way to put it. I definitely feel like giving a game a 10/10 kind of boxes you into not giving other games as much of a chance, which as someone who likes video games is really depressing to think about.

  • ben

    over 1,500 Sony Horizon fans voted 0 for Zelda only 556 Zelda fans voted Zero for Horizon… facts.

    • Jeddostotle7

      *alternative facts

      • ben

        Nope those are the stats from Metacritic.. Yet Jim missed them.. because they went against his agenda to try and shame a whole group of fans.

        • RoanarTheFruitiful

          Jim’s agenda is to review a game well, and to score the game based on the overall experience he had.

          He does not have to bring in other scores for consideration when he is evaluating and finalising the review, he scores it on what he truly believes the game is

        • Where is the proof? From what I saw his analysis was pretty spot on

        • Shroomfather

          You must be a troll.

        • Daemoroth

          Says the guy accusing H:ZD fans, 1500 of them, of scoring BotW 0 on metacritic, even though:
          1) There are only 1439 negative votes at the moment
          2) They obviously aren’t all 0/10
          3) They aren’t all H:ZD fans

          Your so-called “facts” are impossible, utter bullshit, and completely fucking idiotic.

        • Ratslayer

          Just checked metacritic. BOTW has 110 mixed and 289 negative review on switch and 13/33 on Wii U. You should shut the fuck up right now.

    • Anton

      Fact: black bear is best bear

    • Trey Bowman

      Fake News!

    • Linkfan112

      There aren’t even 1500 negative reviews period, let alone 0/10

    • -Misaki-

      Are you talking about user score? Jim compared the same persons who voted for both games, you are simply throwing whoever gave bad review to either game as a person who belongs to a specific fanbase.

    • Muddy Scarecrow

      How exactly do you know they’re Sony fans? Is this the same way Trump knows that Obama bugged his office?

      • John Desjardins

        Alternative facts has the word facts in it 😛

    • Gus

      Uwotm8

    • Daemoroth

      Moron…

    • Ian

      There are 1441 total negative user reviews (many of which are 1s or 2s, as opposed to 0s) for BOTW on the Switch, and 172 for the Wii U version (pretty much all of which appear to just be direct copies of the reviews from the Switch version).

      …sorry, what was that about “facts”?

    • galactix100

      Real facts or alternative facts?

  • Miliardo

    I feel like Breath of the Wild is a design/tech demo for what the Switch can do and for what ground Nintendo wants to tread with the Zelda franchise. It feels like a very, very safe way to try and break new ground and start carving a new path.

    • ben

      That is very dismissive of 400 peoples work.. but if that is what you believe.

      • Mauricio

        The number of people that worked on it it’s completely irrelevant.

        • Landy Alexander

          I would love this argument to be used more. “I’m opposed the Manson family murders.” “But like 10 people worked on those!”

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            Yeah. A lot of people work on a lot of really, objectively terrible things. Horrible abusive cults. Death camps. Uwe Boll movies. The number of people helping create something doesn’t make it good.

      • ATBro

        What does that number have to do with anything?

        • ben

          Saying 400 people put their heart and souls into a tech demo is fucking bullshit is my point. It is also stupid because breath of the wild has no features that make it a unique game for the switch and the game was a wii u game and still is. Making a comment that it is a fucking tech demo for a console shows the fucking intellectual level of Sterling`s fan base.

          • ATBro

            OK, but that number is still irrelevant. It doesn’t actually tell you anything. Never mind that saying all these people poured their hearts and souls into it is complete bullshit, it’s a way to try and pin some kind of moral imperative to not stating a negative opinion about the product of all these hard working people. You don’t think that with all those people who worked on it, not a single one of them phoned it in? It wasn’t just a jobby-job for any of them? Sometimes, people also put in a lot of time and effort and sacrifice into a bad product. Should their work put them above criticism?

            If everyone here is so fucking deficient, why are you here? I have yet to see a compelling argument from you anywhere in this thread. If it’s just an asshole preaching to his moron followers, why do you feel like it’s important to be here, confronting us?

          • ben

            You all clearly need saving from this dipshit.

  • DickardDeckard

    It’s a really great time to be playing video games!

    I wish some people could just accept subjectivity and be happy for the industry as a whole when celebrated titles are released. Such is the net, I guess.

    Interesting read as always, Jim. Didn’t even know “Metabombing” was a (sad, sad) thing. Excited for your NieR review!

    • RoanarTheFruitiful

      Well said! So many amazing games have come out so far this year! One of the best years in gaming IMO, I’m always excited for whatever Jim releases on here or YouTube.

      Big big fan but I’m new to this community 🙂 hello everyone

    • Miliardo

      It really is, unironically, a great time to be playing video games.

  • D.j. Luongo

    It’s times like these that make me feel bad for being a Zelda fan when certain people of the fan base pull this stuff. I love the game to death but if I HAD to score it, I’d honestly give it an 8/10. So I’m pretty sure that alone would get me death threats I guess

  • your mom

    sorry, jim, but you’re wrong here. for one, just the ridiculous number of user reviews on zelda should tell you something’s off. second, i think you looked at it recently, and most of the fake reviews had been buried in page 6 or 7, after the work of a single (yes, one guy) had been done. i saw one guy create hundreds of accounts and give the game a 1 each time. the accounts were all named some variation of errerer 333, erreer 4333, erffeee3444, etc. each account had no previous activity. indeed they had not even reviewed horizon, but zelda was very obviously metabombed by someone.

    • -Misaki-

      For the second time Jim is comparing the same users who voted for both games, which might not be a good evidence but a better way than accusing an entire bad reviews and attach them to specific fanbase.

    • RIME

      He wasn’t checking if it was Metabombed in general, he was checking if it was being specifically Metabombed by organized Horizon fans who wanted to polarize the scores as the Zelda fans alleged.

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      Those aren’t necessarily horizon fans though. The are a lot of idiots still fighting this console war. And even so, none of them are launching ddos attacks against anyone for their horizon reviews or for good Zelda reviews. Only one group of toxic little shits is doing that.

  • -Misaki-

    Why do people bring the “Nintendo worked hard and with so many employees” as if with that the game has to be good and if you disagree you’re a hater?

    Every company will tell you they are working hard whether they are faithful or not.

    Also this is so harsh toward smaller companies who don’t have enough media attention nor the money nor many empoyees they too can work hard despite the odds but some Nintendo fans will burn everything just to see their games shine.

    • Scrubtheos

      You can hate Bioware games because their animators don’t work hard.

      • Chris Schwartz-Brown

        Or their writers any more, not since probably dragon age 1.

        • galactix100

          That was the one with standard fantasy adventure plot 37-B wasn’t it?

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            Right, but with way more blood than usual so it was mature and gritty.

            I actually liked both dragon age 1 and 2, but they mark the era when bioware games stopped being with playing for their main plot and became only with it for the smaller character stuff. Then Mass Effect 3 happened and I have up on them entirely. Still have bothered to go back to Inquisition.

          • galactix100

            I’ve never thought Bioware’s plots have been that great, not bad but nowt special. For me the plots have only ever been there to give context for why I’m interacting with all the characters.

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            Totally fair. Honestly I’m probably just being bitter that they aren’t the company who made Mass Effect or Jade Empire any more. I still enjoyed most of their stuff up through Mass Effect 3 like I said, but they’ve been phoning it in on plots for a while, you’re right.

          • galactix100

            Yeah, it is nice to have a good narrative to give you a reason to get into it and keep going later on.

          • Andrzej Sugier

            Jade Empire! That game was TIGHT! It’s such a shame that there was never a version with a bit more robust moveliests, this was my only gripe with the game, a lot of styles but each of them shallow as a puddle. That, and the Closed Fist morality option was a really cool concept, but in execution it was mostly being cartoonishly evil.

            Thanks for reminding me about it, I might replay it for the 4th or 5th time.

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            That’s definitely a series I would have loved to see iterated on.

    • Thiago Sousa

      But Nintendo is the only one that matters.

    • TheMagicLemur

      Millions of people worked hard to put Trump in office, too. I fail to see their point.

  • Thiago Sousa

    Jim, you are wrong! Sorry to tell you that….

    Fun Fact: Did you know that Jesus is coming back just to play Breath of the Wild?no? Well,now you know.

    Repent your sins and wrong scores.

    • ENAY

      “Jim, you are wrong!”

      …provides no evidence, arguments or counter claims.

      • DisqJocqey

        Sure he did, he said Jesus loves BoTW. What more evidence do you need?

      • Thiago Sousa

        Calm down, Im making fun of the situation. I though was clear by the Jesus fun fact below O.O

    • Forrest Kayssen

      Yeah, well… Buddha came back to play Horizon Zero Dawn, and it was so good he turned down the plate of nachos I offered him!

      • Thiago Sousa

        Nachos or it didn’t happened

  • Direct-XbotMK1 Elite

    Very interesting. Good read.

    BTW, where are the Xbox One exclusives in all of this? LOL Just a joke.

    • Anton

      2013 wants its flamewars back.

      • thatdamnrat

        It will never be over, not till the next lot of consoles come out, and then it will simply begin again.

    • Jack Trevor

      I tried to think of a good game coming for Xbox One and the only one I could think of that has any form of relevance is Halo Wars 2. Which I’ve heard is alright (in a good way).

    • Thomas Pierson

      Do you think Microsoft would greenlight a launch date for a similar title in the middle of this shit show?

      • Direct-XbotMK1 Elite

        If they had something and if it didn’t get cancelled, yes.

    • ENAY

      Yeah you’re right, Dead Rising 4, what other big exclusives have come out on XBone recently? I know that big RPG thing got cancelled. I literally can’t remember what games are coming out for it.

      • Forrest Kayssen

        There was ReCore not too…

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        Long ago.

      • ATBro

        Quantum Break was alright.

      • Charlie Koszulinski

        Actullay, Dead Rising 4 is on PC now, so…looks like Microsoft just has Halo Wars 2. Wait, I think that’s on PC also. Hmmm…I got nothing.

      • Andrzej Sugier

        The big rpg you’re thinking about was probably Scalebound

  • Cyberwulf

    What is the matter with these children? I mean I’m assuming they’re children. I’m assuming no grown adult with adult things to worry about would do this. Why can’t they just play videogames? Wasn’t that some slogan of some movement that derided snowflakery and pearl-clutching a couple years ago?

    • Landy Alexander

      The problem is they are kids, and can’t really buy a lot of games. Your parents let you have one console, and if you pick Nintendo, all non Nintendo games are garbage because you can’t play them and that must mean they’re bad, right?

      • Cyberwulf

        Aw dangit, now I feel bad for mocking them.

        But still, don’t they have friends who play on other consoles and don’t they occasionally go to those friends’ houses? That’s what used to happen when I was a kid. I was a PC gamer, one friend had a Nintendo, another had a Megadrive, the kids I babysat for had a PS1…

        • Anton

          The key word in the above paragraph is “friends”. These are people you liked and respected. Whereas on the internet, these kids are talking to strangers who are just as hostile as they are.

      • Otherhand

        Can many of them really be kids, who could put down hundreds so soon after launch to play the only worthwhile game? And if they have access to so much ready cash, can it really be said that they’re enamoured with single brands due to cultural starvation?

        I think this might be more of an adult problem than we’d like to admit.

    • Jack Trevor

      These aren’t kids. These are adults with the mind of kids.

      If I was to guess, I would put their ages at teenager (no younger than 12) to young college age (no higher than 20).

      • Thekeelo_g

        They’re primarily people in their late 20s, early 30s. Actual kids don’t have enough history with LoZ to care. It’s the people my age, who grew up playing Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time (actual nearly perfect Zelda games) who have this pathetic obsession with BotW being the best game ever.

        Personally, while BotW looks like it might well be a very good game, it doesn’t look much like a Zelda game at all. Zelda isn’t fucking crafting and weapon durability and a mishmash of goddamn comic book superpowers. If Nintendo fanboys weren’t so pathetically Stockholm’ed, they’d probably be in the streets burning shit down that Zelda has been turned into something unrecognizable.

        • InfamousDS

          THANK YOU. I’m glad I’m not the only person who noticed and gives a shit.

  • Adam Robert Sherman

    So, am I the only who looked at the image above the article’s title and thought:
    “Alright, the combatants are set, lets end this debate once and for all.”
    “It’s time for a DEATH BATTLE!!!!!!”

  • John Desjardins

    I’m just hearing about this now, I was too busy playing Zelda. WTF!

    • -Misaki-

      Your avatar expression fits the comment 😀

    • Jack Trevor

      The long and short of it is Jim gave Zelda a 7/10 for a game he liked but not to the extent other people did. Some of the more pathetic Zelda fans try and ruin him, only to get nowhere. They saw he gave HZD a 10/10 and get even more salty.

      Thus we get here.

      Sad, isn’t it?

      • John Desjardins

        It was a bit of a tongue and cheek joke since he said in a video earlier that if Zelda was “really that good” you’d be playing it instead of making a ruckus on the internet .. but I appreciate the tl;dr version 🙂

      • ctrlaltWalsh

        I mean, to be fair because scoring games is stupid and ad-funded sites artifically inflate _all_ scores a 7/10 is basically a bad score these days, go look at games Jim rated higher than 7, there is some real rubbish. (**IMO**)

        In the end it doesn’t matter and some people are just fanatically stupid.

  • Fravel

    I’m planning to enjoy HZD in the near future so I don´t give a shit.

    • ATBro

      It’s real gooooood.

  • Effusion

    This is kind of like watching a knife fight break out over a potato chip someone found under a couch cushion.

    • Thomas Vincent Szaban

      Except that implies that 2 sides are in active conflict. This is like a schizophrenic (BoTW fans) trying and failing to murder an unassuming person (H:ZD fans) over said potato chip, even thought the schizophrenic in question already had a potato chip. And then to cap it all off the schizophrenic tries claiming the unassuming dude tried to murder him first.

      • Shroomfather

        That is an amazing (and accurate) analogy.

  • Ratslayer

    It’s funny how Witcher 3 did not provoke that kind of reaction and there were quite some people that didn’t like it, even though the game won a shitload of awards. I am wondering if it’s the maturity level of the games in question that dictate how the fanbase reacts.

    • Benj

      Maybe there’s something in that. I think games with a heritage that means many of it’s fans are adults who have loved the series since they were kids can have the most rabid fan defenders (e.g. Nintendo and Sonic)

      Having said that let’s not forget how cunty some Dark Souls fans can be and that game tends towards the mature… not to mention the whole ME3 ending fiasco!

      • Miliardo

        I think you’re on the right track with all of those fan bases. It’s a question of investiture. Dark Souls tells you in no uncertain terms to learn its systems, and the Mass Effect trilogy asked for a lot of play time. Sonic and TLoZ are long-running.

        Of course, quality plays a hand. You don’t see people going nuts over imperfect review scores for the newest Petz Horsez game.

        • Benj

          Don’t you fucking start on Petz Horsez! I’ll kill your family!

          … is Petz Horsez a real game? What the hell is with marketers putting unnecessary Zs in everything?

          • Miliardo

            It’s so real there were TWO of them! Maybe more, I dunno. I imagine there have been enough LP videos of those dumpster fires to afford a third or more. Check an LP, it’s amusingly awful.

    • Jack Trevor

      The Witcher series was honestly a bit niche and didn’t really pick up mainstream appeal until Witcher 3.

      This is a different situation because Zelda is one of the more ubiquitous franchises in gaming and bunch of immature, salty “fans” (in sneer quotes) are trying to find new ways to attack Jim. Horizon is just happened to be there and is a game Jim just happened to really like.

    • thatdamnrat

      Don’t forget Witcher 3 is a multi-platform game, whereas both Horizon and BotW are tied to a single console, so this is alos a platform war by extension.

    • Thomas Pierson

      It’s the “horse betting” syndrome. You go to a track and you bet on a horse, we’ll call it Pointless Douche. Anyway, the first time you bet on Pointless Douche, you win big, so you keep betting on Pointless Douche, even though statistically, it won’t win or do as well in certain races or against certain opponents. Your mind convinces you that Pointless Douche is somehow special. When Pointless Douche fails to live up to your glorified expectations, you get mad and freak out (that’s real money your spending, after all) but you don’t get mad at Pointless Douche, because it’s “special.” So you get mad at the horse that ran a better race. This isn’t even a “factually” or “Objectively” better race, this is just based on your perception that Pointless Douche can’t loose and if he does, or doesn’t do as well as you think he should, someone must be cheating. Same thing here, only this is about a game, you know, something that’s meant to be fun.

      • Charlie Koszulinski

        Then you get mad enough that you take a rifle to the next race and shoot the horse (or rider) in front of Pointless Douche and ruin the show for everyone. Thanks a lot.

  • TheMagicLemur

    The fact that people are willing to do this tribalistic nonsense over corporate loyalty does not give me hope for the future.

    • amb

      Honestly, I’d bet that it’s, relatively speaking, a very small actual percentage of very loud shouters. Both games are fantastic and I’ve had a blast playing them, and I know plenty of people in the same boat.

    • Bosch

      And the corporate overlords all, even those in competition, share a private, derisive laugh.

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      I used to think like that. But then I realized we were heading into a Shadowrun/Max Headroom style corporate run dystopia a few months back, so this just lines right up with my predictions for the future. That’s why I’m getting it out of the way now and swearing my undying loyalty to the Cornflakes Homunculus.

      • Andrzej Sugier

        In case of cuberpunk becoming a reality we should form an underground anarchistic movement, with leather vests, studs, chains, mohawkas and a cool name, like Signal Jimmers or Jimpossible Odds. We already have a logo to spray on the walls of corporate headquaters. This is going to be soooo cool.

        Exept the opression, poverty and general hopelessness, of course.

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          Exactly. You have to look for the upsides to the complete collapse of society and the rise of openly corrupt corporate rule.

  • Alexander Yordanov

    STALKER Call of Chernobyl is better than both anyway…

    • Thomas Pierson

      Ok… is it Shadow of Chernobyl or Call of Pripyat you are referring to? Shadow was really hard for me for some reason, but Call just clicked. Go figure.

      • Dariush

        Soc was the best storywise and had a much better built world. Cop didnt do much for me. I replayed Soc at least 5 times while finished Cop just once.

      • Alexander Yordanov

        No, Call of Chernobyl. A near total conversion mod for Call of Pripyat. Currently it is the absolute best Open World game I have ever played.

  • Shroomfather

    I get the (j)impression that Nintendo fans suffer from some sort of inferiority complex, as if not having every reviewer givin the game at least 9/10 invalidates the Switch as a viable gaming console.

    • Miliardo

      A 9 out of 10? Boy, we don take kindly tah yer kinda language round hyah. This here is a frontier town of THA LORD.

      • Ian

        *rests a hand on holster* “Them’s fightin’ words, pardner.”

        • amb

          Is that holster carrying a joycon? Are we shooting over 1-2 Switch?

          • Wolfie

            I’m the fastest wiimote slinger in these here parts. You best walk away.

          • amb

            I’m your huckleberry.

          • Christopher Hammond

            Someone certainly needs to be shot over 1-2 Switch.

      • Ty Ostby

        Best thread on the Jimquisition sight I’ve seen yet

    • amb

      Any “tribe” of product always has a very small, but VERY loud group of shitflingers.
      It’s a damn shame, too, because both Horizon Zero Dawn and BotW are fantastic games, and there’s just absolutely no fucking reason for any sort of rivalry between the two, imagined or not.
      I’ve been playing through both games, and it’s interesting to see how they are similar in some ways, but have a number of differences, too. Horizon is far more plot driven and RPG-ish than BotW, and far better aiming. BotW doesn’t have nearly as strong of a plot as Horizon and inferior bow aiming, but it does have better traversal and exploration (at least in my opinion, I wouldn’t begrudge someone who disagrees with me on that last point).
      I like my Switch, and BotW. I like my PS4 and Horizon. Both games are great. Can’t we all just get along?

      • Otherhand

        Oh God, I just realised. Rime is going to come out soon. This could become an unholy triangular battle between Nintendo fans, Team Ico fans, and a bewildered Rime audience who don’t know they’re in a war at all.

        • amb

          Incidentally, I am super excited for Rime, so I guess I’ll have to be in a three-way war with myself. It sounds so erotic.

        • RIME

          I have an audience? I’m flattered.

          No but seriously, I didn’t even realize there was a game in development with that name. Guess I’ll keep an eye on it for curiosity’s sake.

          • Otherhand

            It looks nice. For a couple of years of previews, it’s drawn ire from Ico/TLG fans because it bore some resemblance to it. Through pure chance, the ways in which it differentiates itself happen to make it look at lot like BOTW now. And coming as it does in May, the rabid end of the BOTW canvases will no doubt scream “Rip off!”, impossible though that is.

            Reviewers had better pray it’s not good, because right now it looks very promising indeed. Woe betide anyone who we rates A over B. (Oh shit, I just called Zelda a “B”. IT IS A FIGURE OF SPEECH)

          • amb

            Yeah, Rime looks really fantastic, I’ve been super excited about it for awhile.
            For now, I’m planning on picking it up for Switch, even with the extra cost at $40. It’s frustrating and I normally wouldn’t want to support that, but the concept of playing it on the go, or on the couch with headphones, or lying it bend, it just so tempting I can’t resist it.

        • Note5

          nah, Nintendo fanboys don’t give spit on any non-Nintendo made 3rd party games like Rime. It’s gonna flop on Switch.

          • Otherhand

            So if it’s really good, and it beats out BOTW on GOTY lists, that’ll be fine? Good news! They’re more reasonable than I thought.

            😀

          • amb

            I hope it doesn’t flop on Switch, but that’s only because I want it to succeed everywhere, for it’s own sake. The videogame industry needs a lot more games like Rime, that aren’t just AAA style shooters, ubisoft collect-a-thons, and it needs more polished games from independent studios. It’s annoying to me that it costs $10 extra on Switch, but barring the possbility that it ends up as an un-optimized, chuggy framerate mass – which I don’t see happening – I’m still planning on switching Rime up.

        • Charlie Koszulinski

          I can just imagine the RIME fans:
          “What? We’re in a war? With who? Oh, those guys. I’ll just let them figure it out.”

          Alternate Scenario:
          “ICO? Never heard of him. Should I be worried?”

    • ENAY

      I suspect since NIntendo fans have such a small selection of games given to them over the course of a console cycle that they have to make the extra effort. This game is literally worth 3 games of content, type mentality.

      • DisqJocqey

        Or like a man dying of thirst given a sip of water. I thought of that comparison more than once.

        • Christopher Hammond

          You’re not wrong. It’s been a difficult year or two to justify liking Nintendo.

    • Ebony Machelle

      Things have gotten worse since the failure of the wii U. Fanboys going crazy…anti nintendo people wanting to see nintendo fail. Its getting ridiculous. That why I usually stay out of the comments sections on posts.

    • Note5

      You nailed it!

    • Roc

      it’s just like anybody that’s loyal to a certain brand, like nike, iphones, etc. I loved nintendo when I was younger, but I grew out of a lot of the games and I prefer realistic graphics to cartoon graphics not saying that makes a game good or bad just saying that’s what I like. My boss is a huge nintendo fan, he bought the switch and brought it into work and called me over bragging hey look at this, this is what 720p portable gaming looks like, and I laughed and said yeah that’s cute I had a vita 4 years ago.

  • FireEmblemFan

    If only people could learn to enjoy both, like I do.

    • twigcollins

      Seriously. “Hey look it’s another game that’s like the thing I like! Yay! More fun games to play!”

      • Ebony Machelle

        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!

      • Charlie Koszulinski

        The only reason I bought Horizon was because I enjoyed Far Cry: Primal so much, I was looking for more. And my expectations were exceeded! It’s a win win!

        (I also bought Zelda, but my brother is playing it now, so I have to wait).

  • ThEjOkErIsWiLd

    My pet theory is that the only bit of joy left in a bitter 30-something nintendrone’s life is the big N and they lash out at anything that dares to criticize it.

    (note: If you enjoy Nintendo’s products, but not bitter nor a mindless fanboy, this does not apply to you. I shouldn’t have to point this out, but this is the internet.)

    • Jack Trevor

      If you have to point something out because you don’t want the headache of dealing with a misunderstanding, maybe don’t say anything.

      After all, the 30-somethings in question aren’t worth the time and effort.

  • Joakim Blomquist

    I love BotW to bits, and it’s a clear 10/10 to me. It is by far the most special experience I’ve had with videogames in almost a decade. The only feeling I have towards the ones who didn’t enjoy it as much as me is that I feel sorry for them. Because I know how it feels. Had the exact same experience with Fallout 4, which I found to be absolutely shite, while everyone else (at least initially) freaking loved it.

    • DisqJocqey

      Ah fair response. I feel the same way about Life is Strange. It’s probably my favorite game of all time and there’s tons of people that think it’s crap. Although to be honest, I don’t think anyone actually thinks Zelda is crap.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      I hear you man. Fallout 4 was like an insectoid alien wearing a skin of my old friend. There was nothing there that I loved for the last 20 years. I played for a couple of ours, looking where all that praise came from, but found nothing. That was a sad, sad moment for me.

  • RedWolf

    I remember my time as a Nintendo fanboy. Those were dark days…
    It seems that where Zelda games are concerned, it’s all but impossible to have any kind of rational discussion, especially when opinions on them are so polarised and are so laced with hyperbole. Personally, I really dislike Majora’s Mask, and I thought Skyward Sword was pretty good. If I said that in any Zelda forum I would probably get lynched.
    I don’t think I’ll ever play Breath of the Wild, partly because of the previously mentioned petty annoyances (weapon durability, urgh!), and partly because I’ve grown very dispassionate towards Nintendo in the past few months. The shrieking, hair trigger-tempered baboons that seem to make up what remains of Nintendo’s “core” fanbase are not making things any better.

    • Wolfie

      You don’t like Majora’s Mask? Sigh. I guess I’ll have to hang you from the rafter while beating you in the genitals with an iron rod after I set your house on fire with your family trapped inside.

      It’s the only acceptable response.

    • DisqJocqey

      Laughing so hard right now. I’ve been there and now looking back I was one of those assholes vigorously defending Nintendo against all criticism. All it took was the Wii U generation to make me do a full 180. Nintendo does so many things wrong that I kinda want to seem them fall on their face. However they still have an entire legion of fanboys to defend their every move. The only hope I have now is that these fans will eventually grow old and die, and with no younger generation to replace them that Nintendo will be forced to wise up.

    • Jay

      For the record weapon durability is only annoying for a small portion of the game. You’ll get to the point where you’ll get access to so many weapon you will have to decide what to throw out when you find someone good.

      • Ronald Cooper

        Annoyance is really subjective though. Plus, I think people would complain less if swapping to an unbroken weapon was less intrusive to the combat flow by pausing it.

        For instance, they could have made it so duplicate weapons are auto equipped upon breaking or a weapon wheel so you can quickly choose while still engaged in combat.

        Just a thought.

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          What? Something about a game might be subjective? Impossible! Games are objectively good or objectively bad. Anything else is horrible bias. That’s how you know Breath of the Wild is objectively a worse game than Uncharted 4.

      • ATBro

        Neither of those situations sounds fun.

  • Lies That Bind

    I’m willing to bet had BotW gotten its perfect scores it wouldn’t take it long for people to get sick of the game either. The more praise a game gets, the harder the backlash. So really there’s no winning with scores

    • RedWolf

      The praise will only last a couple of years, then people will say it sucks because reasons. Just look at Skyward Sword: it was met with glowing critical praise upon release, and now it’s one of the most hated main series Zelda games.

      • Matt Leaf

        imo Skyward Sword was a bigger victim of the hypetrain/perfect score situation than BotW, if for the main reason that Skyward Sword did actually suck. I bought it on hype/score and very quickly learned I did not like it, and quickly sold the game. I like this BotW review above. It’s honest. Although, issues aside an 8.5 is more ballpark for me. Playing through the game now, it is far more enjoyable than Skyward Sword. So I don’t know what that says about scores. However with said review the music was glossed over pretty quickly, if anything that’s one of my main beefs with BotW. While it has its moments, the soundtrack certainly doesn’t live up to previous Zelda titles, particularly in the Shrines. I think most of the reviews out there have taken BotW into account against the whole lineage of Zelda titles, and in that way it really is a stand out. but tbh I really do hope Nintendo patch and tweak and add a range of DLC, they could perfect on an already good formula. And since it’s Nintendo’s first real excursion into open world mechanics, its a great start, but they may have a little to learn and improve on for future titles.

      • Andrzej Sugier

        I don’t think so, GoT has been around for what, 5 years now? Wouldn’t the novelty wear off by now if it was just a fad?

    • A Delicious Chicken Sandwich

      I’m sure we all agree with that; it applies to everything:
      Avatar was the highest-grossing film of all time and it only took about a year for everyone to claim it was trash, more and more people are turning against Game of Thrones for various reasons, and early last year Undertale’s user score dropped suddenly, largely because of the multiple GOTY awards. I hold the long-standing belief that the reason people get so uptight about Metacritic is they think it’s supposed to be the objective consensus, not the average score.

      • Lies That Bind

        I read there were some dicey scenes In GoT if that’s why people are turning against it. I’m still a few seasons behind but I hope the quality of the show hasn’t dropped. But yeah it happens in every medium. Im still a bit hurt when people think games like bioshock infinite are shit.
        And tbf metacritic is an objective score of subjective scores 😀

        • ATBro

          You’re coming up on a pretty rough season. It’s OK, not terrible. But the following season is really great.

        • Charlie Koszulinski

          I’m not entirely sure as to why people are giving GoT shit, but my sister stopped watching solely because they stopped following the books after season 4 or 5. I stopped because I needed her help to understand anything that went on. I also hear people giving up on it because fans caught on to their cycle of introduce a new character, get attached to them, then brutally kill them. People see no point in liking a character knowing full well they they’re gonna die within the season or early in the next.

          And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t George R.R. Martin leave the show? I know the show didn’t depend on whatever his role was, but knowing that the author of the books left the studio could turn some people off.

          Plus, the show is so bleak. Nothing good ever happens and whatever good does happen, it’s short lived. You can only take so much dread and sorrow.

          • ATBro

            You should watch the last season. There is some really good stuff in there. Martin did some consulting for the early seasons, and the reason he stopped was because he had given them the main plot points to how the story ends, but they are past where he’s actually written so there isn’t much more for him to do.

          • Otherhand

            GRRM was never on the show. They consult with him and he advises, but it’s understood that the books and the show are different entities now. I’m puzzled by your sister’s reaction, given that the TV show always played loosely with the books. Season 6 had to part ways with the books, but that was GRRM’s fault for not writing any more story 🙂 The bleakness and casual death all comes from him too, and in some ways the books were even more brutal.

            He’ll finish his books some time after the show ends, and his books will have their own conclusion, which is good for fans of both/either project.

          • Lies That Bind

            All fair points. I know the latest season is going completely off from what Martin was doing or something which may be why it’s the last season

      • Chris Schwartz-Brown

        Except Avatar was trash well before that year was up. It was boring and poorly written and was coasting on pretty visuals to make up for a general lack of anything else interesting or showing any talent. I gave it the lowest score imaginable at the time even when it first came out. 7/10.

    • Ebony Machelle

      Also people nowadays seem to hate popular things even if they never tried it.

  • Chürz

    I just got Horizon and it’s a much better game than Zelda BotW. I also got myself the Witcher 3 and it’s better than the other two together.

    • Jay

      Can we stop comparing HZD and BOTW they’re two very different games.

      • Chris Schwartz-Brown

        You have to compare them, because they have some vague, broad similarities! Don’t you know that’s how console exclusives work, if one is better than another it means that console is better and everyone who owns it is smarter and sexier and isn’t wasting their lives playing it.

        Your comment was clearly misguided, I give it 7/10, the worst score possible.

    • ATBro

      I can’t argue your first point, as I haven’t started Zelda yet, but I will get wholeheartedly behind your second point.

  • Forrest Kayssen

    I never got the console mentality, growing up. Then again, I grew up with the Mega Drive, and I only knew other kids with Mega Drives, and didn’t even know there was a Super Nintendo until I was a little older (But still, like, 7).

    And when we got a Playstation and I knew a guy who had a N64, I didn’t try to claim my game machine was better. I just sort of wished Mario 64 was on the Playstation as well, because I wanted to play it at home. Plus, one of the first games I was bought for the Playstation was Bubsy 3D, and even me at the age of 9 was not going to defend that godawful trash.

    • Jay

      The console wars are hilarious. As a PC gamer who owns a PS4 and Nintendo systems for exclusives I love seeing console fanboys flame each other. BOTW and HZD are both great games in their own rights. They’re really too different to compare.

      • ATBro

        The two games are definitely going for different things, but I wouldn’t say they are too different to compare. They are two third-person action/adventure open-world games. It’s not like one is a puzzle game and the other is an FPS, even though each game has stuff in common with those two genres.

  • L0L247

    My first time reading an article on this website. I do feel like I detect some anger and resentment in this article. I’m going to say after reading comments and participating in some myself, there is toxicity coming from both sides which is ridiculous. I do think Jim is especially angry because of the DDOS and Social media attacks as well. I’ll say people in general will be assholes not just pointed eared tinfoil hat wearers. This just happens to be the case at the moment but I have a feeling this won’t be the last so long as there are opinions and assholes which everyone seems to have both.

    • Ben

      Would you not be angry if being personally, directly attacked by a persistent group?

      • Viet Nguyen

        Exactly. Can’t believe that user is accusing him of being mad for being directly attacked… the other side is mad for no reason and making stuff up and attacked Jim, Jim gets mad that they attacked him and somehow Jim is equally guilty? Shame.

        • Adrian Bauer

          He did not say that Jim was “Equally guilty”

          The funny thing is you think you are helping Jim but you have actively hurt him with this comment. This is a new person on the site who gets attacked by someone for stating their opinion do you think they will come back now?

      • Charlie Koszulinski

        Was just a prank, bro.

    • Wolfie

      Adding to what others said below, we’re kind of like a sleeping bear. We sit in our cave, just doing our thing and not bothering anybody. Don’t want to bother anybody.

      But if you come by and start poking us until that bear wakes up, it attacks because you had just couldn’t leave it alone. What I’m getting at is, yeah, we’re assholes, but we keep it to ourselves. It’s generally when someone acts like an asshole to us do we then respond in kind.

      I suppose you could consider it toxic, but like I said, we prefer to keep it here and here alone.

      • Kev’ Bryant

        That’s what she said.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      We’re all very reasonable people, normalnny. This community is pretty tight-knit, and I imagine most Jimquisition regulars like it that way. It keeps conversation civil and interesting .(with one exception who shall not be named).

      I, personally, come here every day, and most of those days I leave a comment or two. Helps me kill time during the commute, and keeps my reasoning skills from rusting too much.

      Now imagine how I, and other members of the community feel when a group of people not only flood our comment section with meaningles drivel (please mind that I’m not saying all of the newcomers’ comments are like that, just that there are many of them), and DDOSing the whole website for two days.

      Because a reviewer didn’t like a game as much as they did.

      The worst part is, we were expecting a backlash when Jim’s first impressions weren’t as positive. But this…this is really unreasonable, and might have caused some unreasonable reactions.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      On a side note, I hope you will come by on one of the better days, it’s always nice to see a new face with something to say.

  • andrewmartin

    As a Steam user and a recovering PlayStation owner (I had to draw the line at having THREE separate generations of PlayStation connected to my TV because unlike PC, PlayStation can’t backwards compatible) I am kind of enjoying watching people with console-exclusive games go at each other. Personally I think there should be some sort of common-carrier law banning console exclusives as I hate the way companies will hold good titles to ransom for their crappy machines. (Cough, Nintendo, cough.)

    • Thomas Vincent Szaban

      Once again. You are assuming the H:ZD fans are also in all out war with the Zelda fanboys. For the most part we are just as perplexed as everyone else by the raging murder boner the Zelda fanboys have for us.

      • Thomas Vincent Szaban

        Cause I have looked back at Jim’s Horizon review and apparently the Zelda fanboys have been gunning for H:ZD before either game came out. It really is a bizarre cult mentality. I can’t figure out if they thought it was somehow stealing Zelda’s spotlight. (I don’t see how, they are completely different genres). Or they saw the surprising number of quality games Sony has pumped out since the new year (Yakuza 0, Nioh, H:ZD) and freaked the fuck out because of the apparent future dearth of content for the switch. Meanwhile I’m just sitting here wondering when the fuck the Star Citizen cult mentality started to spread.

        • Amauri14

          I think this is only because the game has a bow and green grass. I said because I remember some crazy Zelda fans behaving similarly towards Skyrim as it released few days before Skyward Sword.

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      I love when ‘PC Master Race’ types bitch and moan about console exclusives. Because these very same whiny little fanboys, who are exactly as bad as the worst console ones, will sing the praises of a game that doesn’t release to consoles.

      • andrewmartin

        I never said anything about master race. I bought a PS1, PS2, and PS3 and finally got fed up when I realized that I was being asked to attach a third piece of hardware to my TV in order to play all my games and even most of my PSN library wouldn’t transfer to a new console. Gamers do NOT benefit from having console exclusives. Why do you feel the need to White Knight for companies that hold games to ransom to make you buy their crappy hardware?

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          Lol, did I trigger the poor PC fanboy?

          I am not white knigting for anyone, I’m not defending anyone. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy that so often rears it’s head whenever the ‘everyone should just play on PC’ people show up to this kind of discussion. You’re just as bad as any other console fanboy.

          • andrewmartin

            Dear fake name, I can assure you that the thought of your hammering away at the keyboard in your parents’ basement in the hopes that you might slightly annoy another human being inspires more pity than anything else. You fail at trolling.

          • andrewmartin

            Dear fake name, I can assure you that the thought of your hammering away at the keyboard in your parents’ basement, hoping that you might slightly annoy another human being inspires more pity than anything else. You fail at trolling^^

          • Chris Schwartz-Brown

            Lol, you’re still having this fight?

          • andrewmartin

            The fight is over. I apologize for my rudeness. Best^^

  • Alex Olinkiewicz

    Man these Fan-bases are just flat out pathetic.

    I mean I personally think Zelda BotW is very overrated and I think in time it will end up like GTA4, but even I don’t go out and waist my time in these kind of wars, making false reviews and stuff. Heck, I fully admit that I haven’t played Z:BotW yet (don’t have a Wii U or Switch and no interest in getting them) and I could be completely dead wrong on thinking the game is overrated.

    • Jon Langevin

      I have both Horizon and Zelda. Both are excellent. Zelda has some excellent little touches, good physics, and is fairly addictive (helped by the portable nature of the Switch). Horizon has beautiful graphics, great storytelling, and the gameplay has been pretty solid so far. I’ve not spent as much time in that game as Zelda, due to lack of portability, but I quite enjoy it.

      I think both games earn a 9 or 10 out of 10 quite easily, very happy with these purchases…

      • ATBro

        If you think the early story bits in Horizon are good, just wait until the back half of it. Holy crap what great story!

        • Josh Rogers

          I’ll second that! I finished Horizon but I have not finished Zelda yet, but so far Zelda seems a lot more “dense” maybe not in terms of story but I feel like after getting the platinum in Horizon I have seen pretty much all of the game. I have more hours into Zelda at this point and there is still a TON to go. I’m not saying that’s good or bad. I do find myself thinking about that Horizon ending a lot as I’m playing Zelda though lol

          • ATBro

            The whole line with the Zero Dawn and the people inside was super creative. I was thoroughly impressed.

          • Josh Rogers

            Absolutely! Not what I was sort of expecting at all. Well written is an understatement.

      • Alex Olinkiewicz

        And that’s all that matters

    • Sacha Salvatore Morgese

      Zelda is overrated, like every other Zelda title before it. I don’t know if people who review Nintendo games are all fanboys (I have this feeling Nintendo reviews are always made by huge Nintendo fans that don’t really play, you know, the shitload of other games that come out for the other platforms), but I am constantly disappointed at how this games that should change the gaming world are in the end never successful at really influencing it.

      But, and here’s a huge but, Zelda BotW is a great game that deserves 9s and 10s. Just ignore those damn Nintendo fanboys that come out only to shout how great Nintendo games are (once a year, when the only Nintendo game come out) and give it a chance.

      • ATBro

        Here’s the thing. Jim didn’t say that the game doesn’t deserve the 9s and 10s it has been getting. He said he sees all the stuff that would get the game those scores, but three major mechanics that are at the core of the gameplay, actively frustrate him, and thus he likes it 7. He didn’t like it 9. He didn’t like it 10. He likes it 7.

  • shuvamg007

    You know why there are neg reviews by Zelda fans on Horizon???
    Bcoz Switch has a dearth of games right now…
    Once finished with Zelda, them fanboys have nothing else to do…
    On the other hand, PS4…
    Need I mention it???
    I know Zelda is an exceptional game, but I wouldn’t defend that since I haven’t played it and most likely won’t. It’s just a matter preference. Would get a system with multiple amazing games or one with a single exceptional game? I chose the former. Maybe I will get a pre owned Wii U down the line and get to actually experience the hype.

    • Mauricio

      The wiiU version also runs better.

      EDIT: AND it has Bayonetta 2!

      • Josh Rogers

        Glad I’m not the only one who noticed that. I love the switch and can’t wait to get one but I knew that might be a while so I went ahead and bought Zelda for the wii U. I was only able to play it on the switch for a few minutes at a friends house but that tv mode frame rate. What is up with that? Maybe the lighting in the switch version is probably technically better but I thought the lighting on the wii u version looked more natural to me. I’m not a tech guy though so I could have the completely wrong idea with how lighting should look lol.

        • Mauricio

          No, the problem is that Nintendo isn’t selling this at a loss, like most consoles do, so it’s a cheap console.

          To keep a stable frame rate you have to use it out of the dock, because then it uses a lower resolution, so it’s able to keep the framerate.

          • Josh Rogers

            I gotcha. Makes sense. Why would they lean so heavy on the “home console” side of things when the off the dock runs so much better? Seems like they would want to stick with what it does best. Could totally be just my perspective but it seems to me like I have heard way more “this is a home console” than “this is the perfect portable console” strategy.

          • Mauricio

            I think they are trying to do both.

            Selling as a mobile device because that’s huge in Japan, and sell as a home console on other markets, but when you try to be everything, you can’t do it everything well, not at this price tag.

          • Josh Rogers

            No doubt. How well do you think they will do? Do you think it will put them back on the proverbial map? Like the SNES days? Their sales figures, for Europe anyway, look promising.

          • Mauricio

            Depends, a console lives or dies by the titles it has.

            If they manage to get support from third party developers, maybe, but for me it’s already clear that nintendo’s console won’t have the more graphic intensive titles.

          • Josh Rogers

            Good point. I was really hoping Shadow of War would have a Switch release, if only to show that developers are all in but I see now that was a long shot to begin with. That’s kinda why I don’t understand the whole “power doesn’t matter thing”. No doubt Nintendo makes great games and really knows how to get the most out of their consoles but why would developers make a dumbed down version of their vision? Maybe if they would get a big enough install base it would be worth the time and money but then again they have 2 other GIANT install bases. I would say power doesn’t matter for Nintendo games but I would think its all too important for third party developers.

  • Hubert Crowl

    so this is what they meant by “weaponized autism”

    • No. Please don’t use autism in a derogatory way like this.

      • Hubert Crowl

        you know, this PC SAFE SPACE special snowflake crap is why trump won.

        • SakimotoFanboy

          Or, you know, it might be derogatory because it’s grossly oversimplifying and misrepresenting people actually on the spectrum.

        • Wolfie

          Can’t tell if you’re serious or not…

          • GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

            If I recall, he was doing this in the review article as well and given what he said, he’s either a very determined troll or deadly serious.

          • Otherhand

            If it’s a joke, it’s kind of brilliant.

        • It’s not about safe spaces or Trump or anything. It’s simply that you’re misusing the term and it’s completely uncalled for.

          In fact, I believe we had this conversation before. I believe I told you I’ve studied autism, worked in schools and with children who actually had autism. So having the term thrown around as an juvenile insult towards people not mature enough to deal with someone having an opinion IS, as I said, uncalled for.

  • Thomas Vs

    Games scores are funny. Humans instinctively want others to be part of their tribe/group/cult/etc. It probably stems from a desire to compete or the “us vs. them” mentality. People who take it too far deserve to be ridiculed, so that they’ll either stop being stupid, or stop bringing attention to themselves (and therefore stop wasting everyone’s time).

    Yeah, you’re stupid if you think review scores for video games matter enough to get upset or angry at others.
    Getting a perfect score on a video game is impossible. There’s too many opinions out there. Hell, people who hate video games would rate Zelda a 0, because they hate video games. And that’s a perfectly valid position to have.

    • Josh Rogers

      Well said. I’m writing a paper in my psychology class about this very topic. Of coarse I would NEVER condone death threats and shit over a video GAME review. That said, I am super interested in what makes some people so god damn stupid. 🙂

  • Rapeallfeminists

    How many times did you have to hit backspace writing this shit article cause your fatfuck sausage fingers kept hitting half the keyboard at once?

    • I AM A TENT

      You get a 7/10: the worst score ever

      • Charlie Koszulinski

        Better be careful, he might DDoS you!

      • Artemiy

        I’ll give him… 7 broken mops out of 10 shark boys.

    • OH NO. You called Jim fat! You are the most original person the internet!

    • Wolfie

      How many times did you have to stare blankly at the computer, your brain slowly chugging away at coming up with your next word as you open-mouth drooled over yourself, because the idea of expressing usable language was too neurologically stressful?

      I imagine “backspace,” “fatfuck,”sausage,” and “keyboard” were especially devastating.

      • Andrzej Sugier

        I imagine his keyboard (with that username its probably a man) wrapped in waterproof transparent rubbery casing, as drool droplets had short-circuted his computer enough times in the past to be devastating for the family budget, making typing extra hard.

    • SakimotoFanboy

      … That is one hell of a username you’ve got there.

      • It’s a name rich in Vitamin Banned!

        • Wolfie

          Part of a complete breakfast!

    • thegreatpumpkinking

      really thats the best you can do is make fun of his weight, you have no creative thought nor imagination. Can’t even argue the points he made are so much devoid of thought the best you can come up with is to make fun of his weight. That dose not surprise me coming with some with the word rape in his or her name

      Those woes first recourse of action is to brandish and throw insults with no thought behind them is one whom take a rock to a gun fight dull and dim.

      Good day.

    • Temporaldoom

      would have been quicker but the nintendo keyboard he was given kept breaking …

    • Keys aren’t that small on a keyboard. You’d know that if you could stop headbutting it for a few moments.

  • Johyr

    I consider myself a huge fan of Zelda, I have a whole area of my living space practically enshrining my collectibles from the series, I loved breath of the wild and have put in probably over a hundred hours. Every criticism Jim made in his review is valid and while my experiences with the game didn’t reflect all of them as harshly, I can absolutely see why he gave it the 7/10 that people are so outraged over.
    I have put in nearly the same amount of time with H:ZD and love that too. I don’t see any reason why people are trying to shit all over what really should be a good time for people in the gaming community. Many bullshit triple A business practices have been less prominent so far this year, (with Sony atleast, Microsoft has still been a cunt. What the fuck was blitz in halo wars 2? Fuck that!) brilliant games have been popping up all over the place, so much so that it’s difficult to fit them all in. Yakuza, Nioh, Horizon, Zelda and Nier and it’s only march!
    This year so far should have been seen as a victory for Jim as many of the things he has slated in the past for being bullshit are being rescinded! (Steam, copyright indie cowards) And a lot of what he has praised has been repeated! It’s a win for his consumer advocacy, and yet the community he fights for is shitting on him over an opinion on one game!? Ridiculous. Even as someone who loved the game, the weapon degradation, the stamina bar and that fucking rain slip! All of those can fuck off. Bolson on the other hand, I want him in every Zelda from now on please. Thanks.
    Keep being awesome Jim fucking sterling (Bol)son!

  • Ebony Machelle

    People need to learn to just enjoy games No matter the platform. Both Horizon and Zelda are both amazing games and I can see that they will continue to be for a long time. I applaud both guerrilla and nintendo for making such great games. They both have great reviews so; why get mad and triggered over something so petty.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      Maybe they are all the Highlanders, and THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE? That’s my best guess.

  • Loona Chan

    I so want that giant woman to crush me between her massive thighs.

    I give a giant sexy ladies a 10/10 virtual sensual interaction of the year.

    • Kev’ Bryant

      Careful! Only a 10 will get you hacked!

  • Ebony Machelle

    And I love a good game. I don’t care who made it, what system it is on, if its better than another game I like. It doesn’t matter to me. I great game is all that matters to me

    • Nathan Stapleton

      See, your problem is you’re acting like a rational human adult. To truly understand them, you either have to be young enough to excuse impotent rage of such stupid proportions or drink/inhale/whatever enough inebriating/toxic substances as to render you incomprehensible to anyone who hasn’t done the same. Or head trauma.

      Surely it’s not just a desperate cry for attention from someone with so low self-esteem that they act out in pants-shittingly stupid ways behind the Internet’s Cloak of Anonymity to get even a SECOND of attention from SOMEONE, even if it’s for something that hurts most people’s brains trying to explain.

      It HAS to be the first bit. The only alcoholic beverages I like would make me drown before I got drunk and drugs are bad, m’kay? That HAS to be why I can’t understand them. I’m not young, drunk, high or head-trauma’d enough!

  • Stacee Shaw

    It’s a shame really. I’m enjoying BotW but if I had a PS4 I would love to play Horizon if I could as well.

    • Ronald Cooper

      I have the same feeling but in reverse. Even though I dislike durability systems, I think I would still enjoy BotW.

      • Adam

        I went into botw hateing the idea of the durability system. After a few hours all of those preconceived notions fall away though. The system actually works to keep you constantly changing weapons and getting excited when you find weapons, even if they are ones you have already had. It also makes you be more selective of which weapons you use depending on the toughness of what you are fighting. Well, if you are smart you won’t waste all you’re strong weapons on trash mobs and be left with a floppy skeletons arm for a boss fight…because that would be bad.

        • Andrzej Sugier

          You see, whenever it falls away or it doesn’t is purely subjective. I, for one, hate to depend on non-renavable resources (ones that don’t regenerate with no aqdditional fees or grinding). This is just how I am. I understand what merits they can brin to a game, but having to deal with limited resources on a daily basis and being a very caucious person who tends to save too many things for rainy days that never come, I just prefer games that don’t have such systems.

          That’s why, even thought I didn’t play BotW, I can understand a position of someone who dislikes such systems as much or even more, especially if they are integral to gameplay.

        • Ronald Cooper

          I’ve played enough games with durability systems to know I’m not going to like it. I don’t enjoy being forced into switching items at all, I prefer to do that on my own terms and being denied that choice irks me.

          Really it’s knowing I Have to switch instead of Wanting to switch.

          I’m happy you enjoy it though.

  • mbrandse

    I don’t own HZD, but I am planning on adding it to my collection very soon. I am sure I will enjoy the hell out of it alongside BotW. It’s a great year to be a gamer, and I refuse to let people like this put a damper on that.

    • Adam

      I agree. All These people drawing lines in the sand. Anyone who calls themselves a ” whatever fanboy” looses any opinionated sway for me. I get around on all consoles every generation. Every consoles has great games and each consoles has let people down. In my opinion Nintendo saved its ass with botw and the switch because the wii u was such a shit piece of gaming tech coupled with some of the worst software I’ve every had to deal with. Not to mention tech demos were all over the place showing off a new Zelda when the wii u was being marketed so people like me ran out and bought one just to be ready for the new title when it hit the shelves. Felt like Nintendo made me a fool…now the dust has settled, i love the switch for reasons i never could on my PlayStation, and the new Zelda title is great. The industry hasnt lost me yet…KILL THE HYPE MACHINE!!

  • sillyskeleton

    And I’m just here with my PS4 and Wii U loving the shit out of both games. Call me crazy, but as a gamer I have more important things to deal with right now, rather than worry about Metacritic scores.
    Hyrule isn’t going to save itself, and elsewhere there’s these robot animal bastards strutting around like they own the place.

    • Vanguard Ike

      As a “Nintendo fanboy”, I’m glad you’re enjoying both games instead of making it a “console to game” war like Jim has creatively conjured up here.

      • krazykain

        yes.. he creatively conjured it up… by getting DDOSed by angry fanboys

      • We were never at war with Eurasia.

        • Anonymouselouse

          I’m really really how this guy/child(?) is still trying sooooo hard even after he’s been shut down in three separate threads on this article and I haven’t even gotten to the bottom of the page. I have plenty of coffee left. Let’s keep digging

        • Otherhand

          How could we be at war with the very people who strive to break these chains of love?

          … Sorry, wrong Erasure.

      • Christopher Hammond

        Yeah, I can’t stand how he keeps having opinions and knowing things. How very dare he.

    • greg266

      Is it worth getting on WiiU? I’ve heard some scary things about the performance being worse than on switch

      • Darkhymn

        The performance is below par on Switch as well. Either way yo’re looking at regular drops into sub-20 frames territory, so I’d suggest going for the option that doesn’t require you to buy a whole new console, unless you’re convinced that the Switch is worth your investment for the future.

  • Note5

    Nintendo fanboys are Nintendo’s worst enemies.

    • Vanguard Ike

      Your nonsense is funny. Keep trying.

      • Felix Hadler

        It’s a bible verse. Keep trying.

  • Charlie Koszulinski

    It would be interesting to see how they act if Aonuma himself released a public statement denouncing and condemning the behavior of these “fans” (on, like, Twitter or something cuz nobody takes those official company statements seriously, which actually says something about people in general, but that’s for another time).

  • Vanguard Ike

    What’s depressing is there is no such cold war, and this is just all a butthurt ragepost about a fat guy’s delusional imagination and his abundance of free time to look up MetaCritic reviews. It’s even more sad that his fans are following the same hivemind he describes here LOL

    • Chris Schwartz-Brown

      Or you know, exactly the opposite. Considering only one sided resorted to DDOS attacks to try to silence a critic they didn’t like and then whined like fragile, triggered little babies to Metacrtiic about the effect the mean man’s score had on their beloved games.

      • Brian

        This.

      • Naiko

        So because a group of idiots hacked Jim’s website you will label all the fandom as idiots, good thinking there!

        • Andrzej Sugier

          There is a difference between term “fan” and “fanboy”, with only the second one being derogatory, and all that’s being critiqued here is the behaviour of unreasonable fanboys.

        • Chris Schwartz-Brown

          Who said all? I’m simply pointing out that fans of one game behaved like rational human beings, while some fans of the other acted like triggered, fragile little crybabies. Sorry if that upsets you, but try again.

      • J Resurrección

        whined like fragile hyrule weapons

    • Wolfie

      “Sounds like HZD and Sony fanboys got the pitchforks together to start shit”

      And yet you’re the one that said “fat guy’s delusional imagination” and called us hivemind. Fuck off.

    • kevin

      Please tell me this is a sarcastic post

    • Am I detecting a guilty conscious?

      I can only assume that if you react defensively to this article, you think it’s about you. And given your inability to be not come off like a total dick, it might very well be about you.

      Maybe don’t behave in a manner described in the article if you don’t wanna feel slighted by such articles.

  • Zelda is fantastic, I love it. Zero Down looks amazing and I will buy it once I’m done with Zelda. Crazy how two games in competing platforms can be good.

  • Mike

    Let me preface this by saying, I have both games and playing both. Loving them both equally. But whoever wrote this article is clearly a Sony fanboy. Clearly.

    • Brian

      I don’t see it… Maybe you’re just referring to how understandably pissed he is at Zelda fans

  • Jacob Marion

    I feel like that’s how a lot of trolls act on the internet, act the exact way they criticize others for acting. I still don’t know if it is some sort of extreme lack of self-insight and self-awareness or just intentionally ignoring the hypocrisy, both a mix of both.

    • Kimship

      I think it’s called projection. They accuse others of doing what they are already doing so that they feel justified in their actions. Also, because they are doing it everyone else MUST be doing it, too, because then if everyone does it then they’re not the assholes they’re acting like.

      • Jacob Marion

        Yeah, that definitely sounds like part of it, too. 🙂

  • qorl123

    If Jim was trying to spite Nintendo, wouldn’t it make more sense to give zelda a 1/10 or something?

    • Jeke

      It’s because he’s obviously trying to thinly veil his absolute utter hatred for Nintendo and Zelda, what else could a 7/10 mean, right?

      • Knud

        That the game is not Perfect like everyone is saying for some reason? I mean does their brain shut off at the same time there’s framerate drops and/or freezes? I wonder

  • ENAY

    Meanwhile, what exclusive XBone game came out recently that Jim reviewed?

    • jonowee

      Gears 4, Quantum Break, ReCore, Dead Rising, etc.

      As a PC gamer, once you take out Windows Store UWP wank and the multi-platform releases, only ReCore and the now killed off Scalebound were only Xbox exclusives on my radar. Not enough for me to care about a platform that is a bit toss.

  • Brian

    The reason all these Zelda fans are being so damn immature is… They’re fucking 12! Well the whiney ones at least… I hope for their sake that’s why

    • Wolfie

      I kind of liked the idea that they’re adults who are so empty of fulfillment and personal joy that they latch onto a brand as an identity because it’s the only way they can define themselves in the nihilistic void of their sad lives.

    • Naiko

      seems like you’re a lot more mature, labeling people and stuff!

  • Naiko

    ” it seems less than five Horizon fans wrote negative reviews for Breath of the Wild”

    Yeah, that’s just a lie Jim, its kinda sad, that you’re doing this, even in spanish forums i saw groups and posts about people getting organized to destroy BOTW in metacritic and there’s 175 “0s”, there’s tons of pictures of this, all of this “0s” of course, with SILLY complaints, just because you dont “see” the “links” between the 0s and the HZD fans doesnt mean they dont exist, you’re just assuming people’s intentions, they can be Sony fans, Xbox fans, or whatever you want, but they exist, i dont care where they come from.

    i really dont think this is the best way to justify your review or your “position” against Nintendo in general, it just kinda silly and it makes you look bad against people who really want the gaming community to be united.

    • GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

      United via harassment, DDoS attacks and death threats? If what you consider united is making sure everyone stays in lock step out of fear then maybe it shouldn’t be united.

      • Naiko

        Yeah, because labeling thousands and thousands and thousands of people because 20 idiots is totally rational and also helps the gaming community, right?

        • GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

          Neither is the “Not All Gamers” mentality that seems to appear when a gaming community is in the spot light for doing something crap.

          Funny how you are so quick to play victim here and try to distance yourself from who caused it rather then admit maybe there is some bad toxicity in your fandom and how these issues can be mitigated and resolved.

          However, given you are trying to continue to put the blame on Jim after is was your “20 idiots” who caused the damage shows you really don’t care about your fandom.

          • Naiko

            Like i can even do something to reach this stupid people, OF COURSE they are the minority and that’s why i think Jim’s lie is just hurting the overall scene of gaming, im not a Zelda fan so that’s why im distanced.

          • Otherhand

            That’s twice that you’ve flat out accused him of lying over a matter which is demonstrated to be true via the evidence of his own investigation.

            I don’t give a fuck what you’ve seen in Spanish. He is not obligated to see what you’ve seen and know what you know. You sound like a child.

          • Presenting evidence and drawing conclusions based on said evidence is not lying.

            It’s what we call presenting evidence and drawing conclusions based on said evidence.

            I was ordered to investigate the metabombing and found the opposite of what I was promised. I reported on it and backed up my report.

            So stop lying about me lying please, thanks.

          • Naiko

            Yeah, i dont know man, the only thing i see here is a post about false numbers compared to what ive seen.

          • Naiko

            Jim, u boglin piece of cannoli, ive seen plenty of evidence without even trying, just dont see how this article helps, anyone, at all, the only thing i can see here is that it created a platform for people to hate on Nintendo’s new Zelda and Nintendo fans in general, when the majority are pretty chill.

            So yeah, i guess we found different things, but i can assure you, those reviews exists.

          • Alex

            You find what you wanted to find, cause you are a big biased piece of shit and we can all see it now.

          • Every reviewer brings their own biases and experiences into a review.

        • Otherhand

          You’re on a hiding to nothing with the notion of a “united gaming community”, which is about as plausible and necessary as a united moviegoers’ community, a united music-listeners’ community, a united book-readers’ community, a united tv-watching community etc.

          Ridiculous tribalism is what got you into this mess, not what’ll get you out.

        • Bashtarle

          Can’t hold our group to task because of the actions of a few but it’s totally fine fine for us to label millions of people because of 175(?) zero score reviews? Great stance ya got there 😛

          Also what exactly makes a complaint “SILLY”? Cause I’m guessing the definition of “SILLY” is something like “I don’t have a problem with that”.

    • darksteel6

      you’re a complete fucking moron, quit sucking Nintendo’s dick.

      • Naiko

        nice response, kinda agressive and without arguments.

        • Andrzej Sugier

          Please ignore darksteel6 (or his second account, diamond) he’s a horrible human being that we have tired to persuade to leave this community for a long time – so far with little success, I’m afraid.

        • darksteel6

          I only speak the truth.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      This, I’m afraid, is a missquote. There might be merit to what you are saying, but that sentence described people who rated BotW low AND HZD high. You are doing disservice to your own argument- What you’ve said in the second part of your post is geniuanly interesting to me, but I have to take it with a grain of salt seing that you might not be objective based on that missquote.

    • Gorantharon

      So basically you told us that the
      Spanish are even worse fuckboys than the English speaking fan(nie)s.

  • GreenGarden & 5th DD Clone

    It’s funny that even after being called out by multiple news outlets and shown to be in the wrong, there are still Zelda fanboys/girls/people trying to claim Jim is in the wrong even after all the crap they did to him.

  • Christopher Hollisian

    So glad I’m a PC gamer and don’t have to worry about this trivial metabombing exclusives 🙂 Its like watching ants fight over a grape

    • Kev’ Bryant

      Don’t worry, Zelda will be on PC within a year!

      • Artemiy

        Are there sources on that? I’m legitimately curious.

        • BlueBomberTurbo

          Emulators. There is a Wii U version.

          • Artemiy

            Ah, I see, thanks. Was confused for a moment.

          • Kev’ Bryant

            It was a joke I felt like I had to make after the abuse I got for a similar comment on the Horizon review thread.

          • Artemiy

            …Ah. Okay, I see. Thank you.

          • BeerDone

            And now somewhere in the world because of your lie a child cries.

            FEEL BAD FOR THEM AND GIVE ZELDA A 10. *NOW.*

  • Gaijin-

    Can’t we just play our videogames in peace?

  • Excaviliar

    What all you idiots don’t realize is that by acting the way you are, you are ruining the reputation of the game you love so dearly. I’ve always loved zelda, and I found this new one great too, but now whenever I think about it, I also think about the toxic community that is attempting to ruin a man’s career because he didn’t give a game a ten out of ten. It’s almost as if he is, I dunno, a critic or something! And I guarantee I’m not the only one thinking this. So congrats, you are managing to screw over your beloved game WAY more than one reviewers “bad” score. That’s what you wanted, right?

    • Deepsouth

      Ruin his career!? This whole “controversy” has boosted his career by at least 60%! Lmaoo. Nobody is screwing over the game. There are babies in every corner of the internet.

      • Excaviliar

        I didn’t say they were succeeding, only attempting.

  • JayJay

    Well done Jim in getting the press attention to your website and youtube channel. A greedy strategic move in order to downplay a game and company for attention. There had to be few desperate clickbaits. People like Jim shouldn’t be on metacritic poor fanboy journalism with no credentials.

    • Michael Burke

      Because his entire business model just ignores controversial topics and this is an outlier cash in right? Because he has no legitimate points right? Fuck off loser.

    • Andy McAwesome

      He certainly caught your attention. How dumb are you, having – by your own admission – fell for it?

    • Temporaldoom

      mmmmm salty

    • I am on Metacritic though, and there’s nothing you can do about it, nerd.

      • J Resurrección

        ily

      • RoanarTheFruitiful

        Never change Jim haha.

      • Deepsouth

        LOL. I think I’m actually starting to like you.

      • IkeTheChungus

        Ahahaha! Jim, you’re the man.

    • Andrzej Sugier

      Nobody would give a rat’s ass about a 7/10 score, if that was the whole story. Sadly, it isn’t. Take off your tinfoil hat, man.

  • Nico-Gabriel

    Man what is it with all the fighting and all the toxic comments regarding the two games?

    There is absolutely no gain from hating the other game. Just keeps you from playing something you might enjoy. I mean for the industry as a whole it is a fucking sweet outcome to have released two amazing games. Win for the industry, win for the gamers.
    But noo… instead we bash the other side because they are enjoying what they are playing too much and we criticize the critic for giving (god forbid) a 7/10.
    Thats why we can´t have nice things…

    • Deepsouth

      The toxicity is rooting from Jim Sterling. Did you read his article up above? It’s full of nothing but vile comments and insults. And then Sterling fans throw their hands in the air and can’t believe his website gets cyber attacked. From an outsider who is not a Sterling fan or a Nintendo fanboy it’s really easy to see who the instigator is. Jim Sterling.

      • Artemiy

        Ohhhhh dear.
        Toxicity? Ye fuckin’ what mate? A game reviewer rated a game 7/10 and pointed out stuff he didn’t like and you scream “toxicity”?

        • Deepsouth

          You guys all fall back to that review. Most Nintendo fans are not even aware of Jim Sterlings review. The toxicity statement comes from his article up above, it has nothing to do with his review. He can go three sentences without insulting someone. Stink follows shit….I’ll leave it at that.

          • Artemiy

            Oh no buddy, you don’t get to move the goalposts like that.
            The whole “debacle” started after Jim has published his review, and rabid Nintendogs decided to DDOS his site and hijack his social media. THAT’s where toxicity started.

  • Jeff Masser

    I’m playing both at the same time.

    I’ve found that after sinking about 15-20 hours into each, I love both games equally.

    For me, each game has given me pretty solid entertainment for the time I’ve invested.

    I haven’t read your review on BotW yet, but I’m sure you back up your views with sufficient evidence, as the game is clearly NOT perfect, but still a great game (MOTION CONTROLS ARE ATROCIOUS!!!)

    I’ve also found things in HZD that I consider setbacks, But overall, I’d give both games an 8.5/10…. since in my book, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 10 (except for maybe the original SNK Baseball stars on NES) hehehe.

    • Deepsouth

      Motion control can be turned off. In fact I can’t believe anyone actually plays with it turned on.

      • Jeff Masser

        Yeah, I should have clarified, the motion controls for shrine and dungeon puzzles.

        I’ve tried and they’re forced.

        However, the motion controls actually work pretty great for aiming and stuff like that, but for puzzles they’re atrocious, especially in portable mode. With a pro controller they’re tolerable, but I don’t always carry my pro controller with me.

        • Adrian Bauer

          I really like the motion control puzzles

        • Deepsouth

          Ok yea, those are forced. I actually hated those too, they kept moving off center. I hate all motion control and hope Nintendo never uses it again.

  • Chance LeBoeuf

    I still don’t understand why this rivalry is a thing in the first place.

    Then again, for a community that did something as ridiculously stupid as Gamergate, I really shouldn’t be surprised anymore at just how pants-on-head retarded they can be.

  • Chris123

    Hello Jimquistion, found your website through the Zelda review and just want to say I think your review is spot on. Brilliant game thats does a few things that seem designed to make you want to enjoy it less. The rain, climbing speed, glass level weapon durability, the cutscenes like when entering a shrine or cooking that you constantly have to skip, the UI, talking to npcs in general is a huge chore – all pretty irritating.

    One minor extra that annoys me no end is the noises NPC’s make. Does every npc HAVE to sound like they just came? Its embarrassing.

    • Deepsouth

      LOL. Maybe you should just stay away from Zelda games.

  • Stelios Markios

    I love both games, already finished HZD, playing through Zelda now, I think both are excellent but both have shortcomings. Just enjoy the games people, we’re not in gaming to act like braindead idiots. Just take that precious time you would have spent metabombing or whatever and spend it on enjoying gaming or anything else you might enjoy.

  • Sam

    “fanbabies”?
    hm… the word fanboy seems to be losing its impact lately. Maybe “fanbaby” should take over.
    The word fanboy is easily ignored these days due to overuse/misuse ie. ‘If you like something I like, you’re a fan. But if you like something I think is dumb, you’re just a stupid fanboy.’
    But “fanbaby”‘s implications are a little more built into the language, ie. a fan who acts like a giant fucking baby regarding the thing they love.
    I’ma start using that now. Not that I’ll get much chance, since I try to avoid flinging my shit on the internet.

  • At least you won’t have to worry about the Mass Effect fanboys as we will be too busy playing to care about Ddossing reviewers. 🙂

    • Loona Chan

      Yeah Mass Effect fans have never thrown a shitfit over anything… never ever…

      • We throw fits. In organized baked goods and petitions. And even then we only do it once we have finished the game and also we don’t Ddos.

        Don’t tell me multi colored cupcakes are as bad as Ddos attacks.

        😛

        • Loona Chan

          Well there was that one little lawsuit someone filed but I guess it only takes one to do that.

          I’ll admit to have taken part in that shitstorm a little… I like to think Bioware fans in general are self-hating enough to not care so much about poor reviews.

  • The Man Who Sold The World

    Jim’s review was the only accurate zelda review.
    Nintendo fanboys need to take off the nostalgia googles and realize how painfully average the game actually is.Also the fact that is running on a sub par system with sub par hardware does not help at all.

    I applaud Jim for having the balls to give this game the score it deserves.

    • Deepsouth

      Are you serious? So out of 50 different publications, your saying Jim Sterling had the only accurate review? Damn I’ve heard of being a fanboy but your taking it to the extreme. lol. Give your dsl’s a rest, Sterling’s ego is big enough.

    • lanmanna

      He doesn’t love any game.

      • Andrzej Sugier

        Quick search for 9/10 reviews:
        Darksiders Warmastered Edition
        Watch Dogs 2
        Owlboy
        Battlefield 1
        Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

        Sooo controvertial….

        • lanmanna

          Watch Dogs and Battlefield? Lol. They aren’t horrible, but 9… REALLY?

          • Andrzej Sugier

            Yeah, just shows that he’s not contrarian just for the sake of it, he tends to get carried away with praise for products that turned out better than expected just like everyone else. So apparently he really had some problems with the newest Zelda.

            Oh, and he gave the newest Kirby game a 9/10, and really enjoyed Hyrule Warriors, before anyone assumes anti-Nintendo bias.

  • Infernofire

    To be fair, several media outlets were comparing Breath of the Wild and Horizon Zero Dawn, so it’s not like the fans created this argument.
    Needless to say the only real comparison that can be made is that they’re both open world games. The focuses of these games are completely different. Horizon is more focused on combat, while Zelda is focusing on exploration with a touch of puzzle solving.

  • JonnyDoLake

    There’s a review on Metacritic for Zelda that gave it a 8.4/10 and if you go in the comment section of that review there are still people calling it “clickbait”
    and that the reviewer doesn’t know what a good game is. It’s ridiculous
    the level of fanboy-ism on display here. Anything below 9 is unacceptable…

  • Meyneth

    “Nobody should ever take Metacritic scores this bloody seriously.”

    Pretty much this. I’m still amazed that there are people who DO get worked up over aggregate review scores like this. I mean…why? Ignore the reviews you don’t like and just read the ones you agree with if they upset you THAT much. Better yet, play the game and damn other people’s opinions! If you know you like it, why do you need to read the review in the first place?

    It’s fun how a small minority becomes the objective majority in the minds of those who can’t stand criticism though, isn’t it? I remember seeing a couple of Gamefaqs threads about Horizon vs. BOTW,
    but that’s about it, and I think a lot of people just told the OP to
    fuck off and play the game. That is literally all I’ve seen of this imaginary feud outside of what this article covered. I have no idea where it’s coming from…and I don’t much care, either.

    I finished BOTW recently, and I’m still playing Horizon. They’re totally different experiences. They’re both open world titles, yeah, but that really is about it, and there have been lots (and lots and lots and lots) of other open world titles before, and more to come. They’re just two more individual experiences, and personally I’d rather enjoy them for what they are rather than keep a running tally on how they’re apparently so similar.

    tl;dr – let’s all just play the damn games and have fun.

    • Deepsouth

      Most people are not upset with the review. Most people just dislike Jim Sterling because of the way he insults entire fan bases. Jim does this on purpose. Don’t feel sorry for him, he loves the attention and it’s good for his website.

      • Gamingfan

        Why would he insult an entire fanbase? I dont even know who the [email protected] this guy is.

      • Johnny Bigbones

        Jim does not run ads on his website so traffic is kinda meaningless for him.

      • Bashtarle

        Always seems like he has gone out of his way to express that the he is clearly talking about a subset within the fanbase and not the fanbase as a whole. That doesn’t seem to stop a lot of people from turning off the video prior to that and taken to making angry comments online.

  • Deepsouth

    Why do people get surprised when Jims website gets attacked? He’s a shock journalist and every other sentence from this guy is a vile insult directed at some fanbase, mainly Nintendo fans. Jims zealots can’t see the forest through the trees.

    • Jeffrey Vore

      A fanbase and a subset of that fanbase are two entirely different things. That’s what most sheeple/zealots seem to constantly deny. But hey, if the shoe fits, right?

      • Deepsouth

        No they are not two different things. There are trolls on the internet. Most of them are children ranging from ages 5-15. These are the ones that attack Jim.

        • Jeffrey Vore

          They are not different? So you just said that those fanbases all consist of juvenile trolls? And 5-15? I mean, teenagers, yeah, but do you really think that 5-year-olds troll the internet and DDOS websites? There are a lot of insufferable adults as much as there are children. Get fucking real. And get a god damn better hobby, you’re replying to everyone here. Take a break. Maybe play a game or something.

          • Deepsouth

            Yes, DDOS attack on a website is not difficult. A ten year old kid could easily pull it off. And who the fuck cares how many people I respond to? More specific, why the fuck do YOU care how many responses I make? Someone has to be the voice of reason here.So I guess you could say my hobby is setting straight dumb ass ignorant fanboys like yourself. Now you can go back to fondling Jim Sterlings balls. Oh, but try not to inflate his ego too much more, it’s already large enough.

    • Wolfie

      One. We’re not surprised.

      Two. Shock journalist? Please. Strange, yes. Uncouth, yes. Controversial, yes. However when this is how a fanbase acts, with DDOS, harassement, hijacking, death threats, do you expect praise? Do you expect anything other than scorn? And spare me the “but not everyone” because that’s just a red herring.

    • endless tsukuyomi

      “He didn’t agree with the general consensus?! He must be some edgy shock journalist!”

      He gave it a 7/10.
      Nobody here is a “zealot.” Just people with common fucking sense. Go cry yourself to sleep.

      • Deepsouth

        Richard, that is your name right? Richard? He is a shock journalist, and not because of his 7/10 review! I couldn’t care less about that moron. Read the article up above. It’s slap full of insults. He loves controversy and so does his fanbase.

        • endless tsukuyomi

          My name is Justin.
          I don’t know where Richard came from. The article isn’t a “shock” article. It’s a report on how the childish fans are attacking him because of a subjective review. There’s nothing shocking about a critic retaliating against a hive mind of drones who are unable to comprehend the fact that a 7/10 is a decent score. Most never even bothered to read the review.
          If he were a “shock journalist” we would see nothing but articles like this several times a week on a yearly basis.
          He’s not Keemstar.
          Is he supposed to shut up and cower in a corner while being vilified by people who are unable to accept something as subjective as an opinionated review?
          He’s not a shock journalist. This stuff rarely rears it’s ugly head and when it does, it isn’t even started by him.
          So I fail to see how that accusation makes sense. Especially considering those that thrive on shock culture usually find their income through ad-revenue. Sterling is crowdfunded.
          It doesn’t make sense.
          There’s nothing wrong with a little justified self-indulgence every now and again. Especially given the petty circumstances they’ve been presented with.

          He liked the game, but disliked a select few of mechanics. Thus he gave it a 7/10. A good score. Everyone lost their shit. Sterling had enough and retaliated. Now we’re here.

          I admit I may have misjudged your reasoning, but my point remains the same.
          He’s not doing this because he thrives on shock culture. He’s doing this to show how much of an ass the Zelda Die Hards have been making an ass of themselves. Going as far as to DDoS his site to prevent anyone from reading his “terrible” review.
          That’s literally all that’s been happening.

  • Jeffrey Vore

    Jim, I gotta ask. Why do you (and other non-direct affiliates of the industry) call the game Horizon [COLON] Zero Dawn? This titling sends the message that the franchise is called Horizon and that this first game is subtitled as Zero Dawn. Now while that makes makes sense, I can’t find any official sources that confirm this. The full title of this game is Horizon Zero Dawn. No colon, no brackets, just one almost too long of a franchise title. So I’m really curious if there’s an actual reason you call it Horizon: Zero Dawn.

    • ck, the Irate Lump

      Probably because of the way the title logo for the game is designed. “Zero Dawn” is in much smaller print below the “Horizon” name. Conventionally, that’s usually indicated it’s a subtitle for the game (an episode name, or similar) rather than just a direct continuation of the name.

      • Jeffrey Vore

        I can see that and again, it makes sense artistically if that is the case. Zero Dawn signifies a beginning, but having it follow Horizon doesn’t change that theory as you can see the Zero Dawn peak at the Horizon. So it can really go both ways. Again, since no official source from the publisher or developer writes it out as Horizon: Zero Dawn, I’ll assume that the stylization of the title logo is probably coincidental. Maybe it’s just because Horizon is longer than Zero Dawn and felt it looked artistically pleasing to put the latter under the former. Maybe there’s a bit of metaphor involved with having the Horizon as one line as the Zero Dawn approaches below it. Still, thinking of it as just Horizon with Zero Dawn its subtitled entry would prove fun to brainstorm what the following games with be titled.

        Horizon: High Noon?
        Horizon: Fallen Dusk?

        • EvenBetterCool

          Yeah, and as I played through the game and Zero Dawn, specifically, becomes the name of something else – I started to think that maybe Zero Dawn is a secondary title.

        • ck, the Irate Lump

          Unfortunately, if they intended for it to be a single title, the graphic designers failed to properly convey that. The visual language of the logo appears to say that “Zero Dawn” is subordinate to “Horizon”. That visual language is common to most other colon-separated titles, so it’s not unexpected that many journalists came up with the same idea.

          If the game is highly successful, they may just retcon the colon into existence anyway, so they can make the inevitable sequels.

        • Andrzej Sugier

          To be honest? It smells of marketing people deciding at the last moment to change the title to be more “marketable”. Happened to me before and created some trully godawfull titles.

  • Gamingfan

    Who cares. I like zelda and I think horizon is pure sh!t. Nobody will change my opinion.

    • EvenBetterCool

      Have you played both?

      • Gamingfan

        Dont want to.

        • Anonymouselouse

          Then you don’t actually have an opinion. You have a bias. Which is also fine, but we recognize it and that’s why no one actually cares what you think. Because you don’t think anything. You actually really can’t think anything.

          • Gamingfan

            Its not bias at all. I havent played infamous either and I think its sh!t

          • Anonymouselouse

            ….right. I would have to ask “why” you don’t like them to detect a bias normally. I would have to prod and find out what about the game you didn’t like to realize that there was no reason normally, but you admitted it above. You don’t like it and you don’t have a concrete reason. That’s a bias. At best it’s an uninformed opinion. Either way, you are entitled to that bias like I stated above. It’s fine. But be honest about what it is, and again this is why no one listens to you.

          • Gamingfan

            What am I bias about? Nintendo? I don’t like the switch either. Man I can make zealots cry.

          • Anonymouselouse

            Lol. You’re not trolling properly. “You’re entitled to your opinion” HAHA MADE YOU CRY ZEALOT 😂 You’re trying so hard and it’s cute but you shouldn’t grasp at straws. Move on to a different target. Gamfaqs has a deep well of emotionally challenged users you might find more tempting targets.

          • Gamingfan

            Everyone knows you guys are sony fanboys. No other fanbase cries this much.

          • EvenBetterCool

            You said you liked Zelda and didn’t like HZD – then you said you didn’t like the Switch so you couldn’t be a fanboy? You already shot yourself in the foot. I hope you just get to play a game you enjoy and can enjoy it without trying to feel superior about it. Sharing games I like is what makes me like some of them even more. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to prove other than that you’ve got too much time on your hands or are maybe too young to be trusted with an internet connection.

          • Gamingfan

            Who said I felt superior about it? I simply like one game but not the other. Get over it.

          • EvenBetterCool

            False. I mean, you’re right about being simple. But you can’t dislike something you don’t try, you can just be afraid of it. Sounds like you are the one who can’t get over things. Are you still playing the NES version? Is that what this is about? I have nothing to get over, because I will own both systems and play both, same way I have owned all the systems before. But you are saying you like BotW, but haven’t actually said you’ve played that either. You have said you don’t like the switch, and didn’t understand a comment about BotW being on two systems. So I’m going to call you out right now. You haven’t played either game – and are either a Nintendo “zealot” as you say or a blind troll who has been caught. Sorry to bring logic into this and have to cut you to pieces in the eyes of internet strangers, but I’m sure you’ll be fine. Psychology has taught me that you like your anonymity so you can feel superior by thinking you’ve won over others even when you are being ridiculed or despised. I hope that your real life isn’t so empty and that you actually are playing one of these games and enjoying it. That’s what these articles are about – just enjoying your games and hoping that others enjoy theirs 🙂

          • Gamingfan

            You cant dislike something you dont try? Yes you can.

          • InfamousDS

            How? I ask that sincerely. How can you possibly form a complete opinion when you have no first-hand metric with which to base that opinion on?

          • Joe Davies

            I was just gonna ask this. It’s just willful ignorance otherwise.
            “Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”

          • Ronald Cooper

            Willful ignorance has another name.

            Stupidity.

          • endless tsukuyomi

            To be fair. You totally can dislike something without trying it yourself. It’s why we have gameplay trailers, reviews etc.
            I gotta be honest, I really don’t like HZD all that much either. It doesn’t look interesting to me. The art direction, gameplay, story and characters just aren’t all that appealing in my opinion.
            Not taking sides in this one. Just saying you absolutely can dislike something without actually playing it hands on.

          • Wolfie

            Don’t overestimate yourself.

            You’re barely noticeable to the shitty people we’ve dealt with. Not even a 7/10.

          • Gamingfan

            says the guy crying about my opinion on a video game.

          • Wolfie

            Hah. No.

          • Gamingfan

            yes, you are. You are cyring because I don’t like a sony exclusive. Not putting up with fanboys, you are blocked.

          • Wolfie

            Good. You’re so god damn pitiful that it only means I won’t be tempted to wasting my time.

            I got other people more fun to deal with.

          • YoDude

            Everyone settle the fuck down. Don’t you all have better shit to do? Like work or school?

          • EvenBetterCool

            Don’t feed the trolls, friend.

          • Gamingfan

            You are the troll.

          • EvenBetterCool

            Ooh burned me good. Consider my jimmies rustled, friend!

          • Andrzej Sugier

            Get well soon, we will miss you man…That was just brutal.

          • EvenBetterCool

            I’m sorry, but that is the definition of bias. Your username makes me think you should be more fair in your judgements.

          • Gamingfan

            Or maybe I don’t pick sides like a manchild.

          • EvenBetterCool

            But you do. Even if that side is just the opposite of whatever thread you’re on. I know a troll when I see one, sorry if you expected me to get angry, but I just like video games 😀

          • Gamingfan

            and what side is that? nintendo? I think the switch is a pos.

          • EvenBetterCool

            1. BotW is out for two systems. 2. My comment mentioned what side. 3. You’re just trying to stir controversy. I get it. I’m sorry I can’t really give you anything more to fight about. If you want to legitimately talk about reviews there are plenty of things to share and plenty of friendly folks here.

          • Gamingfan

            What does breath of the wild have to do with me disliking the switch?

          • EvenBetterCool

            Your commenting on an article about BotW. You’ve just lost all credibility with that comment. You can’t hope to be seen as not a troll if you couldn’t make that connection. I’m done feeding you. Have a god day, though!

          • Gamingfan

            My reply was about bias towards nintendo and not liking the switch. You then talk about zelda. Am I talking to a wall?

        • EvenBetterCool

          Then you can’t really say it is a**t. You can just say you don’t want to, right? It would be sad if you swayed someone away from something they might like because they took your “review” as legitimate. I like to play and try tons of games. Even ones I don’t like, I still know when others might enjoy them 😀

        • Shane Padgett

          Then your statement that it is shit is mere hyperbole. You don’t actually know that it is. Good day troll!

          • Gamingfan

            aww, fanboys calling others trolls.

          • Shane Padgett

            I like both. Just calling you out is all. Only fanboy I see in this thread.

    • Wolfie

      And?… Good for you?

      • Gamingfan

        Did I hurt your feelings zealot?

        • Wolfie

          *rolls eyes* Not even worth it. Fucking lazy.

          • RoanarTheFruitiful

            They are the typical nintendo hardcore fanboy. And the way they talk with an uninformed opinion confirms the typical demographic of that fan base.

          • Gamingfan

            I don’t like the switch. Hold that L.

          • Jeff Masser

            I consider myself hardcore Nintendo.. I’ve owned pretty much every single system. A few Game and watches and gameboy micros included.

            Then again, I’m hardcore Xbox and Playstation, too.

            35 years of gaming and steady income help to make sure you can enjoy all 3… seems to me like some trolls on do so because they have never even tried the console they “hate” on.

          • RoanarTheFruitiful

            I meant no offence to you Jeff. Some fanboys really make their community look ugly by trolling sites with garbage.

            I love to have conversations with fans of multiple companies all the time about games

          • Jeff Masser

            None taken 🙂

            Thank you, it’s refreshing to know that people actually accept the real “core” gamers out there (or “EOG” equal opportunity gamers). LOL

            There’s so many people who are missing out on some great software, because they only pray to the system of their choice, or can’t afford the other ones, so they bash them.

            It’s sad, yet true.. I remember when I was in Grade school in the ’80’s and early ’90’s and kids fighting over Sega or Nintendo (Maybe even an NEC turbografx kid in there for good measure, LOL). It’s still like that to this day, except the people can hide behind the internet and talk all the shit they want. They would have gotten a proper ass-kicking here in Chicago, LOL.

    • asadachi

      Nothing like a fat, sad, fanboy troll that has nothing better to do with their pathetic life. Congratulations, you’ve convinced us all you’re a piece of shit.

      • Gamingfan

        and blocked.

        • asadachi

          lol, truth hurts

          • Wolfie

            President Cheetoh Dick has more of a thicker skin.

      • Wolfie

        And they’re so fucking pathetic. Not even putting in any effort at trying to be insulting. It’s sad.

      • IkeTheChungus

        Lol, you don’t speak for anyone except your own lonely, petty self. And no amount of your fellow trolls getting all butthurt on forums is going to affect the quite respectable career Jim has built for himself. “Nothing better to do” Than his fucking JOB you mean?

    • BeerDone

      That’s fair. Surprised at how many people are going off at you for stating a clear opinion.

      Seems like there’s nutters both sides of this particular fence.

      • Wolfie

        Maybe it’s because they say things like “Did I hurt your feelings zealot?” and “yes, you are. You are cyring because I don’t like a sony exclusive. Not putting up with fanboys, you are blocked.”

        “Or maybe I don’t pick sides like a manchild.” When they just said Zelda good, HZD bad (which they haven’t even played and don’t want to).

        • BeerDone

          They like one product more than the other. How is that picking sides? What do they pick sides in? The made-up conflict of immature idiots perpetuated online?

          Because in the real world, there isn’t one. It’s games. Two games, sold for a price, and one looks better than the other to a single person. Wake up. They called you “zealot” for a reason. Not one single word of the original comment should be offending you if you’re not.

          (That’s not to say their comment wasn’t deliberately inflammatory, but hey, you fell for it, right?)

          • Wolfie

            It’s because they didn’t try the other product, and doesn’t even want to try it. Look, that’s fine, everyone does that, but at least admit it’s a little bit of a dumb opinion.

            Instead, their immediate reaction was “lolfanboys” and “cry some more zealots.” That’s why they got the reaction they got. They could have been polite about it, instead they went for being a complete dick.

            Be a dick, be treated like a dick.

    • Tobias Hanika

      you are part of the problem

  • EvenBetterCool

    I absolutely love HZD. I don’t think it is perfect but it is one of the most all encompassing game experiences I’ve had, certainly the most for PS4. I haven’t played BotW. I hope to someday soon when the Switch has been out long enough for me to trust it. Until then I can’t say anything about it other than it looks really fun, too. They look like very different games to me, so I don’t think I’ll end up needing to compare them.

  • JayJay

    Nobody even heard of this person until the desperate plea for attention. Looking through some videos Jim thinks he is some messiah of steam green light looking for crappy games to do a video about and beg users for patreon money. No wonder distorted his vision playing crap games all the time affected his capability in playing and revewiing games. This is the problem and disease of the industry. Desperate individuals looking for attention.

    • Wellsy487

      You realise that by writing on his forums you are adding to his attention.

    • Wolfie

      Uh-huh. Sure. Whatever.

    • IkeTheChungus

      Hah, your comments are amazing. You have no idea what you’re talking about, and it’s adorably obvious.

    • RipTide

      Hold on… “Nobody even heard of this person until the desperate plea for attention.” lets just look at this statement.

      1. last I checked he has almost 500,000 subscribers on youtube, not a small audience.

      2. The whole Digital Homicide saga was a huge deal in the gaming community and was discussed on many larger channels so a lot of people have heard of him.

      3. He was a popular voice on both Destructoid and The Escapist, both fairly popular gaming websites, so anybody who frequented those sites would know about him.

      4. If nobody new about him this whole thing would not have blown up as large as it did as internet rando’s usually don’t get much attention.

      Also he was a paid reviewer before he did any green light stuff and it is has been his main job for years. So saying he should stop doing his main job despite years of experience is just a silly thing to say, especially when there is a large following of people that respect what he has to say.

      • Gorantharon

        You forgot he’s one of the reviewers used in the Metacritic score. As a single person not a site!

    • Ian

      “Nobody even heard of this person until the desperate plea for attention. Looking through some videos Jim thinks he is some messiah of steam green light looking for crappy games to do a video about and beg users for patreon money. No wonder distorted his vision playing crap games all the time affected his capability in playing and reviewing games.”

      First off, “nobody even heard of this person…” is pretty blatantly false.

      Second, have you read literally any other review that he’s written? Even ones in the last year or so?

    • Andrzej Sugier

      AND WHO IS THIS POPE GUY WHO THINKS HE CAN JUST TELL CATOLICS HOW THEY SHOULD BEHAVE? Fucking edgelord whiteknight.

      For future readers, it’s a humoristic hyperbole, I don’t compare Jim to the pope.

    • Captain Pipsqueak

      <quoteblock?Nobody even heard of this person until the desperate plea for attention.

      Really? Really? Did you actually just say that nobody ever heard of Jim Sterling until just now?

      Holy shit. You’re amazing. Don’t ever quit.

  • Sd S

    If a critic loves every good game he’s lying to you no one loves all games equally. consensus Without critical thought is worthless because it answers no question related to the subjective opinion of weather you will like the game

  • IkeTheChungus

    I love how it’s somehow Jim’s fault and/or him using “clickbait” Because apparently you can’t talk about a legitimate subject that exists, which then gains attention, and you quite rightly receive attention in turn, because the subject you’re discussing clearly matters to a lot of people (For better or worse)

  • Wolfie

    I’m actually starting to get bored to tears over the sniveling parasitic fanatics who are here. It’s been days now, and they can’t come up with anything new? Yet they continue to try.

    Fucking sad. We have one who apparently thinks none of harassing shit actually happened. Another who continues to regurgitate nonsense such as “desperate plea for attention.” And yet another who was so thin-skinned, he’s blocking people after we don’t immediate fall to our knees in defeat over what has got to be the laziest attempts yet.

    This is just tedious now. Not even entertaining anymore. It’s like watching the failing career of a former child actor. When I dealt with the Gamergators, they were more fun than this crowd. Or at least they were more vicious.

    Not even worth a 7/10.

    • RoanarTheFruitiful

      We’ve only witnessed some of this. Jim has had thousands of people doing this on every social platform with a community.

      The fact he still just does his job proudly without bothering about any of this, even after getting out of a long lawsuit just makes me applaud his commitment to plod through and makes me proud to be a fan of his work.

    • IkeTheChungus

      Yep, just started scrolling down, and actually thought that comments were repeating. But no, just a bunch of angry ape-people throwing their own shit around.

    • Ronald Cooper

      Circular Logic.
      Poisoning the Well.
      Argument of Stone.

      These are probably the 3 most common logical fallacies people use to try and discredit the review.

      Not even going to go into the people who actively ignore is Review Scale and decry “But 70 is a C! How is that Good”.

      • Terriosaurus Hex

        Holy shit…I think I’ve just had an epiphany from your words. Are these people subconsciously or consciously comparing the 70/100 to a school test score? That would explain so. fucking. much. 😮

        • InfamousDS

          Many have done it publicly, both here and in other places where their ramblings could be seen by Jim and his fans.

          • Terriosaurus Hex

            Ah righty, must have missed them. I can only browse so long before my eyes wander off to more joyful distractions and the stuff I’m procrastinating from lol

          • InfamousDS

            I was joking but not joking when I said I couldn’t leave yesterday. Adding individual records to a database manually is almost worse than the treacherous climb up Salt Mountain to go into the bowels of Salt Mine in order to find the legendary Salt Diamond.

        • Ronald Cooper

          There is certainly a subset that are comparing a School Grade with a Review Scale. While I can understand why they might think these two systems are identical, there are very specific nuances that quickly and easily disproves this idea.

  • Havel

    This is why we can’t have nice things. Is BOTW good? Yes. Is HZD good? Yes. I’ve never heard of this guy before until the DDOS’s attack, and honestly, that is uncalled for. Why would I care if he gave the game a 6/10? It’s not going to affect my opinion on it, it’s not going to change how I feel about the game. But these cockheads keep adding fuel to the fire.

    I can consider myself a nintendo fan, I also enjoy other consoles differently. It’s all opinions. And people take opinions like it’s a spicy suppository. 😒

    • IkeTheChungus

      He gave it a 7/10 btw. Which on his scale, is actually a game he enjoyed a fair bit. Which in turn makes this whole thing all the more ridiculous.

      • Artemiy

        I’m actually looking through the games Jim rated 7/10, at least supposedly. I entered “7/10” in the search bar and I don’t wanna click through all the links lest I be banned as a DOSer.

        It’s an interesting list. I see Star Wars Battlefront there, and Street Fighter V, and ReCore, and American Truck Sim. Games that seem to be similar to BotW in Jim’s opinion: generally good but held back by something.

        • IkeTheChungus

          Exactly, almost like he’s just doing due diligence as a reviewer/game media person.

          • Artemiy

            Yeah, although I initially expecting there to be less, um… Polarization, if you could call it that way. Like, the games that are okay overall, and not “it’s good except for those parts that are crap”. I guess you could count American Truck Sim as one of those?
            But hey, I can see logic behind this POV.

  • Pjader

    Jeez…I feel old.

  • Hopit

    I’m just here, admiring the shit throwing contest in the comments section.
    This situation is like a train wreck, you know it’s horrible, but you just can’t look away.

    • Havel

      Where’s the popcorn at mate

      • Hopit

        Ran out of it yesterday, sorry mate.
        But we got more salt than we can handle!

    • BeerDone

      Inb4 literal riots.

      Except these are nerds so they will riot with water pistols and comic book pages. Wait, some of them have those replica swords and spears. Sh&t.

      • mindrig

        I will smite thee with my double lightsaber made of plastic and my fully customizable lightsaber with a aluminum blade and LED lights.

        • BeerDone

          But are they RGB LED lights? Everyone knows RGB makes everything at least 12% better.

          Because you can make it red, you see. Red goes fastah.

          • mindrig

            INTERACTION?! AHHHHHHHHHHH

      • Wolfie

        I got an actual horn, too. Y’know. Made from a bull’s horn. I have no idea why my family has one, but we do.

    • Wolfie

      Happy to be of service.

    • Artemiy

      It’s just baffling. People are STILL being salty and building crazy conspiracy theories.

    • endless tsukuyomi

      It’s wonderful!

  • Li Taboga

    The expression. “Milking the cow” comes to mind. “Hey, I`m gonna get the top rated game this year and give it a 7, so everybody will know who I am!!!”… Then, not long after: “Now, I`m gonna talk about the fact that I gave that score until hell frozes, to keep the media looking at me…” I`m sensing a long time of posts with that, much like the law thing you had some time ago… Sorry for my english, I`m Brazilian.

    • IkeTheChungus

      Not really man, everyone saying he did this for attention clearly didn’t read the actual review that has angered them so much. 7/10 is a decent score, for a game he enjoyed, but has it’s faults. He very clearly and rationally explains all of his problems with it in the review. But again, nobody actually reads the thing they claim to be upset by.

      • Li Taboga

        Well, I read, and also I`m not upset at all. It`s just that the reasons for the score, in my opinion, are nothing usefull… He took minor things like the towers (witch are really fun, challenging and with diffferent stuff in each) and make a big case about looking like some other games with towers. He takes the shrines and trash them saying that the puzzles stop the immertion, witch by itself means nothing at all, it`s a crutial part of the game, and one of the coolest. And they exist since the first zelda, maksed in caves, crazy jumps, mini-dungeons, etc.

        • Wolfie

          It’s about context though. Take, say, John Bain (aka. TotalBiscuit). He does not like puzzle games, so if he was to review a puzzle game, he’d probably rate it lower than a person who does enjoy puzzle games.

          It’s kind of to be expected that if they don’t like a particular mechanic of the game, it’s going to dampen their opinion of it.

          • Li Taboga

            Well, I don`t like the Cell-shadding (no idea how to write that in English), but that is not a problem at the game, is my problem. I`d rather see something more realistic.

        • Bashtarle

          While I disagree with him about the shrines taking away immersion I still find the review as a whole to be sound. Hell some of the 10/10 reviews have brought up some similar issues as his review then simply decided not to dock the game any points for them.

        • RipTide

          That’s the thing with reviews they are subjective. To Jim the towers and shrines were more of an annoyance than a good thing. That is what reviews are a single persons opinion of a game. Entirely objective reviews are impossible and attempting to make one makes it boring. People come here for Jim’s opinion, and if you disagree with it that’s ok hes just some guy giving his opinion on a thing, it shouldn’t affect you. That so many people are getting so worked up over this is what makes this an interesting thing for him to cover.

          • Li Taboga

            Reviews are Always sbjective, no doubt there. But when there`s someting to point out that you didn`t think is right with the game, I got no problem. Now, to say that a game desearves a 7 just because it have towers similar (it`s not even similar) to other games, or because You can`t go somewhere at the start o the game without having the correct gear, is the same to say you can`t drive a car without a key considering some cars have that.

          • RipTide

            But those aren’t the only reasons it got a 7. In fact those were only minor things, the towers being something he only offhandedly mentioned at the very end of the review, and the not having the correct gear thing was something he actually praised with his story about it being thrilling to dash from safe spot to safe spot in the one area. His main issues with the game were low Weapon durability cuased combat to constanly have to be paused to bring out a new weapon, and making “special” weapons less exciting becuase they break so fast. The stamina bar being so small it took multiple upgrades befor it felt like it was at teh point it should have started at. Rain existing only to force you to stop playing for a bit. Frame rate issues. Low draw distance. Less than stellar voice acting at points. And Poorly implemented Amiibo’s that equate to overly expensive DLC. So you seem to be focusing on very small criticisms while ignoring the big ones.

          • Li Taboga

            By “big ones” you mean he would like the wepons last forever (witch is stupid, since the game have a ton of wepons everywhere, and (as the npc said himself) the all searve a pourpose. You have to have all kinds of wepons to mine, to strike the correct tipes of enemies, etc. They break fast at the start of the game, the better one from the middle on lasts longer. The stamina bar is a players decision. You can choose to be fast, or get the damage. It`s not a mistake, it`s been made to give the player a choice. How can that be a bad thing? The rain is not there to make you stop playing, it`s there for 2 things: Make you experience diferent wepons (wood ones) and to make you go to diferent places, where it`s not raining. tat way, you have to explore the game, not just folow right tro the end. Also, gives you a chance to make crazy things like trowing the metal sword at na anemy camp just to get them a bolt of lightining. Voices??? What`s wrong with them? Zelda`s voice make`s you want to hold here and never let go. “Less than Stellar”??? Really, they can`t make Morgan Freeman speaks all movies and games man.

          • RipTide

            First these aren’t my complaints they are his, I have not played the game yet so I personally have no opinion of the game.

            Second once again these are his subjective opinions of the game. To him these elements made the game less enjoyable, so he criticized them and gave it a lower score. Your criteria for what is a worthy criticism seems to be “is the mechanic functional”. Sure if something doesn’t work the rating of a game should take a hit but whether or not a mechanic is functional is not what people read reviews for. If there was a game that played a loud annoying sound every time you took a step in game it may very well be functional, but you better believe people are going to criticize it. People want to know whether or not the mechanics of a game are fun and engaging. To Jim these mechanics were not fun or engaging and actively broke his enjoyment of the game, so he criticized them and reflected that in his score. If you don’t find that your opinion lines up with his that’s fine, different people different opinions, but don’t then go and start throwing accusations around just because he has a different opinion than you.

          • Li Taboga

            I`m not trowing acusations (really, felt like a cop now…), I`m saying my opinion, just like his. In my opinion, He loved the game, just gave a lower score than the other 95 on Metacritic (95/98 reviews over 90, his is 70) to get his name going. To get more sbscribers. To get more twiter followers. His text overcharged minor problems, trashed the game mechanic in a way that doesn`t makes any sense. To any other critic around the world. Again, that`s my opinion.

          • RipTide

            Saying Jim altered his score to create a controversy for the purpose of getting more followers is more then a simple opinion. An opinion would be “I don’t like Jim Sterling”, saying he sacrificed his integrity to stir up shit is an accusation.

            Still your whole basis for this accusation is that other people don’t seem to have a problem with the things he has a problem with. Good for them, they are not Jim. These problems were significant to him, and his review had enough logical and well explained reasons to justify these elements as things that beak engagement for him. So you throwing this accusation around is just you saying Jim is wrong because he has a different opinion.

        • endless tsukuyomi

          “Well, I read, and also I`m not upset at all.”
          Sure you’re not and I highly doubt your ability to read coherently.
          “I’m not upset at all.”
          Has spent the last dozen comments calling Sterling a “fat, weird, opportunistic, kid.” Because he didn’t rate your precious video game a 10/10,
          Yeah you’re not butthurt at all. No way!

      • Didi Polenta

        no, in my opinion 7/10 is more of a fuck you than 4/10 would have been… because the score naturally insulates him from criticism… you can always say 7/10 is a decent score for anything… the game was good… i hate fucking nintendo more than any other company because they are a bunch of thieving cunts but the game is good… and even with all the shit you can argue about… the game deserved an 8/10… because lets be honest… 8 and up is a decent game… 7 is fucking mediocre… and this game deserves some justice for that… or maybe jim is compensating 10/10 reviews i don’t know… in any case… i guess its cool being a rebel…

        … i’m off to pre purchase “full throttle remastered” …

        • RipTide

          This line of reasoning right here is why average scores on metecritic are meaningless. When you score games you put 8, 9, and 10 as good games, 6, and 7 as average, and below that as bad right? Well that isn’t how Jim scores games 5 is average, above that is good below that is bad. I’m not saying one scale is better than the other I’m just saying they are different. To put this in terms of letter grades a 7 from Jim is a solid B, good could use some work (so about an 8 – 8.5 on your grading scale).

        • Yes, because changing his score by ONE POINT would make a huge difference.

        • IkeTheChungus

          We can agree to disagree I suppose. But just to be clear, when observing an “out of ten” score, one has to be aware that not everyone sees rankings the same. 10/10 for some people means absolutely perfect, for others it simply means it accomplished it’s goals. Jim regularly makes it very clear that 5 is mediocre on his scale, above that is good/great, below that is truly bad. So a 7 is a “pretty good” game. Which even if you think it is better than “pretty good” you have to admit that the outrage over this is ludicrous.

        • Ian

          “7/10 is more of a fuck you than 4/10 would have been… because the score naturally insulates him from criticism”

          Well, looking at the comments on his review (and the video he posted Monday), it clearly did no such thing.

          “even with all the shit you can argue about… the game deserved an 8/10… because lets be honest… 8 and up is a decent game… 7 is fucking mediocre”

          Somebody else already pointed this out, but different reviewers/sites have different score scales. Deal with it.

        • dam4rus

          “7 is fucking mediocre”

          Me looking at the score:
          7/10
          Good

          So there you go. Jim thinks this is a GOOD game, not a mediocre one. Even though i think Botw is a masterpiece, i can see people getting annoyed to hell by it’s flaws and i respect his opinion and didn’t made me burn my copy of the game for being a game with “just” a fucking 97% metacritic score.

          Actually, it’s metacritic that makes you think a game with a rating of 70% is mediocre. It classifies games with an aggregate score of 75% or lower mediocre and that’s just false. For example, Transformers Devastation stays around that threshold and it’s still a very enjoyable game. Is it the best game of all time? Hell no, but i had more fun with it, than some games with higher scores. Opinions, man.

          • Didi Polenta

            nice comment, thanks

    • Wolfie

      People asked him to look into this one. Though during big fitfests, such as after No Man’s Sky, he does sometimes make a “best of” of the comments from here and other places (like NeoGaf or GameFAQs). It’s just what he does. Both those super positive and super negative, mostly to highlight the absurdity of them.

      Also, he’s a fairly well-known name even before this through his career of working at both Destructoid and The Escapist, as well as being something of a lightning rod just in general.

      • Li Taboga

        In Brazil, when someone defends other guy like that we find it kinda weird… Some love involved in that…

        • Wolfie

          Well, I am a fan. I like his content. And I find him to be a respectable critic. So sure, I’m biased, of course. The same is true of those who don’t like him, they’re biased towards, well, not liking him.

          However, what I say isn’t wrong though, either, and that’s the difference. He does have a fairly strong base in comparison to others, he did work at Destructoid and The Escapist, and he does have written pieces that are a collection of ridiculous comments made by users.

          • Li Taboga

            He`s just trying very hard to be known as the guy who trashes good games, that`s all. It`s just a fat kid that noone pays atention until he realizes that going against all the facts atracts some weird fans at the same position. When 98 reviewers gives theyr score, 94 are over 90, and 3 are above 7, these 7 just wanted to show up his name to the public. But, let`s face it, if 100 testers would say that driving a Lambourghini is amasing, and one said is meh, The car would still be awesome, right? It`s the same here, ind the end, the one guys opinion given just to get the spots on him worths nothing. To anyone at all.

          • Wolfie

            Not to the one that said “meh.”

          • Li Taboga

            The opinions can be diferent. No arguments there. So in my opinion it was review with the only pourpose to be known for scoring a Zelda game a 7. Can you accept that? If we consider numbers alone, There 3 outta 100 that scored Zelda above 90. I believe These numbers are right, those 3 are just trying to say “Hey, look at me, I`m diferent…”. Now if we made a count in people who agrees with you, that This weird guy is correct, and people that think he`s just a guy trying to make a name, you think you can get a 3% against 97% in your favor?

          • Wolfie

            I can accept that’s what you think, not that you’re right.

            Because if opinions can be different, then what makes his opinion that it’s a good game, but not a masterpiece, so damn special that he cannot be telling the truth or that he must be being only a contrarian.

            Reviews are not about what’s “right” or “wrong.” They’re about what the reviewer felt. “Right” and “wrong” are arbitrary and useless in this case.

          • Li Taboga

            I see, so reviewers are not about right and wrong, but my review is wrong about Zelda beeing a masterpiece? You start by saying “I can accept that’s what you think, not that you’re RIGHT.” I accept your opinion. I accept his opinion. But my REVIEW of his opinion is that it`s a cheezy atempt to make a name giving a 7 to a over 95/100 critics gave over 9. And it`s not right or wrong, it`s just my review correct? I review him the worst kind of game critic, the oportunistic weird guy that when see a masterpiece Trash it agaist all opinion, against all other critics, just to have his face known. THAT is my review of him. Now can you accept it, or my review can be wrong, just his can`t?

          • Wolfie

            No.

            You don’t have a review, but never mind that. Your opinion of the game isn’t wrong, that’s exclusive to you and I couldn’t give a fuck. What you’re wrong about is that just because someone didn’t like a game as much as you and a bunch of other people, they must be contrarian.

            That their opinion of a game is bullshit because they don’t see it as the masterpiece you do.

            That is what you are wrong about. Not to mention your hypocrisy on the matter. You think he’s a terrible reviewer and berate me for not accepting how you feel about him. Yet you cannot accept he doesn’t like BotW as much as you.

            Because guess what, not all opinions “are just opinions” because it’s an expression of something objective. And calling him a liar is exactly that. Which is what you are doing.

          • Li Taboga

            I`m not calling him a Liar. He liked the game, he told it so. The Score he gave it it`s up for interpretation. I believe it doesn`t reflect the game itself, I believe it doesn`t reflect even his text about it. About me thinking it`s a masterpiece, I sure do. I also believe Monalisa is a masterpiece painting. It`ll never matter how much people hate monalisa, It`ll be a masterpiece Worth milions. But there`s aways some pretentious creep to say DaVinci sucks for making it, and that creep is loved by some artists. Do you think this guy opinion makes Monalisa not a masterpiece? Every single critic think the painting is a 10, one thinks is a 7. Is it a 7? And why are you so worried about me thinking this whole thing is a crappy review to get atention and Money? Do you think everybody will see this and think: Hey, that Brazilian guy is right, Jim sucks… Common, you`ll not change my mind, the game IS a masterpiece, his atempt to carve some Money outta it won`t change that. I just don`t like it.

          • Aotrs Commander

            I effectively consider BotW (like Horizon, or all Zelda games, and all shooters, and sports games and all platformers and all MMORPGs and all MOBAs) to be tacitly unrated, failing even to command my attention enough to be worthy of outside consideration for my entertainment. Not even warrenting my dislike, let alone my like. They hold no interest for me, lierk AT ALL and never will.

            (I also consider the Mona Lisa and the works of Shakespear to be of vast historical significance and interest, but that doesn’t mean I think they are enjoyable to me in and of themselves as entertainment or art.)

            Given that people like *me* exist, who would not enjoy BotW even if you forced me to play it, now matter how techically accomplished it was, how is it improbable is it really that Jim could not believe that the game is as good and deserve a number different to what you think a number it should be given (because he did not enjoy it as much as you did, evidently)?

            I mean, if I were a person who reviewed things, and was forced to do so of it, even *if* the game was technically utterly flawless in function (by which I mean, no bugs ever, no stuttering, no nothing (etc etc), an in-reality impossible paragon of computer programming virtue), it would still garner no higher than a 5 from me, since “technical perfection” (an objective function) and “thing one considers good” (a subjective function) are entirely independant functions that don’t even always corrolate, let alone anything else…

          • endless tsukuyomi

            “The opinions can be diferent. No arguments there. So in my opinion it was review with the only pourpose to be known for scoring a Zelda game a 7. Can you accept that?”
            By definition that is not an opinion. That’s a conspiracy theory. Dear god I hope the education systems in Brazil aren’t as bad as you’re letting them on to be.
            An opinion would be “I thought the review was kinda bad.” You’re making a statement, not stating an opinion.
            A review doesn’t exist to win favor with the majority. A review exists to briefly summarize your thoughts and experiences with a product. It doesn’t matter if the majority likes it or not. A review is a subjective opinion based on the INDIVIDUAL who spent their own time with the subject matter!
            Dear god learn to think for yourself sheep.

          • Andrzej Sugier

            Eh, you clearly don’t know jack about who he is. He’s known for his feud with Konami, for his investigative journalism on Square Enix, for his uncompromising stance on consumer hostile policies. Your are taling about a man you have conjured from thin air, that’s why you are impossible to reason with.

          • ATBro

            No. Tom Chick does that. Although, there isn’t anything wrong with that? What’s wrong with saying, “you know this thing that everyone loves? Well, it’s not all roses. Here are some issues with it.” It is the very essence of being a critic.

    • andrewmartin

      Jim Sterling was about as famous before as he is now. While giving a truly bad score might have been called attention seeking behavior, giving it a 7/10 is what you do with a game that you like but isn’t perfect. The fragile weapons alone are enough to bring the game down to that. Actually, I have only played ESO today and I gave that a 7/10 in my Steam review score (which I don’t expect very many people to read) because while there are things about that game I like, the limited inventory for non-premium members even after buying the game and numerous expansions bothers me enough to bring the game down to a 7.

      • Moon1337

        Didn’t you get the memo. Bad games get 9-9.2, good get 9.3-9.7 and Malygos’ gift to the world get 9.8-10. We could turn the dial up to 11 to make things louder but we dont. The only exception to this is games that you don’t like, they deserve a 0 and anyone that likes it is an idiot.

    • BeerDone

      Considering that his usual weekly show (which is the only one he asks for Patreon money for) covers controversies and consumer rights/responsibilities, he would not be doing his job if he didn’t cover this.

      He’s also in the dead centre of it because of that one number, so… that counts. Bear in mind that your thinking rests entirely on your own belief that 7 is a bad score. And it isn’t. And the game is good and he said so.

      • Li Taboga

        I never said is bad Number. It`s just a low score compared to ALL the other reviews. Remember when you were a kid and going aroud the street someone asks: Who wants icecreeeeeeam??? All said “I do”, and some weird kid said: “I don`t like icecream”. He loved it, he just want atention… Poor kid. It`s the same here, but he just wants to look “the different one”. He`ll Always be known as the guy who fucked the 10/10 Zelda game. There`s a lot of atention for someone like that, just not my respect.

        • I know people who don’t like ice cream. Or they’re lactose intolerant and can’t have it. So your analogy doesn’t really work.

          And again, he didn’t “fuck” the game. The game will exist and continue to exist with or without his opinion. He’s just one person who didn’t like the game as much as other people. He’s allowed to do that. It’s not a “bad” number, it’s just his opinion. Working yourself into a fit over it is ridiculous.

          • Li Taboga

            You don`t think that he`ll be known as “the guy that gave Zelda a 7”? Now one thing you`re right, his opinion acctually doesn`t matter. Who cares for the weird that didn`t like the icecream right? It`s still delicious. Let the weird guy wait outside while we have the icecream with the gang.

          • He’ll be known as the guy who didn’t like Zelda as much as everyone else. WHO CARES? He’s not ruining everyone else’s enjoyment of the game. He’s not ruining Nintendo’s profits. He’s not ruining everything for being ONE PERSON who gave their opinion on a game.

          • Li Taboga

            That`s what you believe? That no one will cares for he`s opinion anyway. You think that was the point of him doing this, just to express he`s feeling on the game, nothing that involves the cash that comes with the weird game score, the atention that his site got. You really think that he`ll not be ferever remembered as the guy that gave Zelda a 7 on Metacritic? Ok, if that`s what you think, no problem man. In Brazil, for na opinion like that, we`d say : “Agora vai lá pegar seu todinho pirralho”…

          • He has almost 160,000 Twitter followers, 470,000 YouTube subscribers, and makes $11,000 a month from Patreon (along with whatever he makes in advertising monetizing some of his videos).

            You really think he’s that desperate for more attention or money? Why does giving his opinion need to be some giant conspiracy or cry for attention? Why is it so hard to believe that he JUST didn’t like the game as much as other people? It happens. Get over it.

          • Li Taboga

            Can you get over the fact I beleive everything I said before? Can you get over me thinking that THIS is what he do for living, trash cool games for Money? And the Follower and subscriber number he has, what does this really mean? How many followers would OJ Simpson have (beeing a murderer)? There`s clowns everywhere with a ton of followers and subscribers, that means nothing man.

          • That you believe it is what’s so mindbogglingly. You realize he LIKED the game, right? He called it Good. He just didn’t like it AS MUCH as other people. He criticized some aspects of it, but he still liked it in the end. He’s not trashing it. He just didn’t like it as much as other people.

          • Li Taboga

            That`s exactly my point. I do think he loved the game. But why miss an oportunity to make some cash and get some atention? Why not trow some nonsense defects the NOBODY in the critic world cares or see just to make Money, get some subscribers. That`s what I think this review is about. I can see you love him, but can I think that? Please?

          • No, he LIKED the game. And scored it accordingly. He doesn’t think on an 8-10 scale like most other reviewers. Again, he gets enough attention and money from his other work. Hell, he got more promotion from the Digital Homicide lawsuit than anything else. Hey, I know! He should try to get more people to sue him! Get him locked up in courts and forced to pay legal fees for all the attention and money he’ll get from it!

          • Li Taboga

            Yeah, that`s the same… The lawsuit and the game review…

          • According to your logic about his desperate need for attention, then it’s absolutely the same. Like I said, he got more attention from the lawsuit than anything else. He should get sued more often and forget about doing reviews.

          • I’m not saying that no one cares about his opinion. It’s the vehement, immature, overreactions that are ridiculous.

            Do you know what I do if I see a review I disagree with? I MOVE ON. I don’t give a shit. I respectfully disagree and MOVE ON. Because it’s not that big a deal to get so fucking worked up over the opinion of one person.

          • Li Taboga

            Just like him, I gave my opinion. My opinion is that he is the worst kind of game critic, the oportunistic weird guy that when see a masterpiece Trash it agaist all opinion, against all other critics, just to have his face known. You could disagree and move on, but you decided he had to be defended right? Why? See the problem here? I gave na opinion, you couldn`t move on. How are you so diferent from the vehement and immature one you quote?

          • Because frankly speaking, your logic is completely bonkers if you think he gave the score just for shits and giggles. You’re basically saying that he should have scored it 10/10 because everyone else was. That’s not a very honest opinion, is it? That’s just giving into peer pressure.

          • Li Taboga

            I never said is for Shits and giggles, you know it`s not. There`s a lot of atention and cash involved. That`s the whole point. If he`d given a 10, he`d get nothing extra. Given a 7 he got a ton of extra clicks, viewers, followers, etc. How many PS4 fanboys you think now just love him for that? The “pressure” here was to make more Money outta an oportunity. That`s my opinion anyway.

          • Because again, the easier answer that he simply didn’t like it as much as others can’t POSSIBLY be the logical answer, right? Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? Why does it need to be some giant conspiracy or that he did it for the attention? Why can’t he simply say, “Yeah, I liked it. But I had issues with it, so it’s not a 10/10 for me”? Why is that such a big deal?

          • Li Taboga

            It`s not. I don`t HAVE to agree right? I can still think he loved the game, but oportunistic as such (based on the fact that he has done this before), he pick on stupid things just to make more Money outta it, can`t I. It`s allowed for me to think he`s right now counting the cash on the large couch that fit his gigantic ass laughing over people that tought his opinion was sincere. Can I do it? Please let me do that…

          • You’re allowed to just as much I’m allowed to disagree and think it’s ridiculous for you to come to that conclusion.

            I’m honestly asking here: why must the game be 10/10 for everyone? What about the game grabbed you so much that you think someone doesn’t feel the same way?

          • endless tsukuyomi

            HOW IS HE OPPORTUNISTIC?! There’s nothing he could possibly gain from giving any game a “falsely negative review” on a channel that is ad-free and crowdfunded! It would HURT him not HELP him!
            You’re the biggest loser I’ve seen on this whole board! Thank you so much for making my day. I love seeing unreasonably stupid people making fools of themselves on the internet where everyone can publicly see!
            I love you!

          • Andrzej Sugier

            Oh my god, why won’t you people do your homework and read up before opening your goddamn mouths? Jim Sterling is a widely known video game journalist. Known for years thanks to his contribution on many topics. He gets plenty of attention for better reasons.

        • endless tsukuyomi

          “Everyone else jumped off a cliff so I should too!”
          Your entire argument.
          Believe me. The media doesn’t see Jim Sterling as “the guy who fucked the 10/10 Zelda game” lol.
          They see losers like you as “the whiny man babies who screamed at the top of their lungs because not everyone shared the same subjective opinion as the collective masses!” Literally look it up. The media agrees with Sterling, not you.
          Also not everyone likes Ice Cream. That doesn’t make you weird lol! There are plenty of athletes who dislike sweets.
          “You’re weird if you don’t like what the majority likes!”

    • “Law thing”?

      • Wolfie

        I assume he means the Digital Homicide lawsuit, but… I don’t know?

        • Ah. So, is he implying that Jim got sued, on purpose, for the attention?

          • Wolfie

            I don’t know? He could mean something else, as well. I just really don’t know.

    • Moon1337

      Or, stay with me on this, he really didn’t think it was this magical thing that every game these days seems to think is and gave it an honest score.

      • Li Taboga

        I really believe in numbers man. If 10 ou of 10 people drives a Ferrary and say it`s insanely fast, then one guy says it`s not that fast, he just want to show up. Wants atention. That`s all it is for me.

        • Andrzej Sugier

          Yeah, but speed is objective. Opinions are subjective. People can have widely different opinions on things, and both be right.

          Eh, why am I even doing this.

          • InfamousDS

            Speed isn’t subjective, it’s awesome. I wanna go find Carl the Criminal from the mail-room right now so I can have some more.

        • endless tsukuyomi

          Oh yeah? So if you lived in Nazi Germany then you’d believe Hitler to be a righteous crusader? I mean the majority of the masses were fooled into thinking he truly was at first. Sooo… Heil Hitler?
          Your very flawed and sad logic crumbling before you.

        • Moon1337

          Cars are different we can actually show scientifically that a car is fast. But a person can still say its not insanely fast to them and not be wrong. Emotions and feelings are subjective which videogames as an artform are. Not everyone is going to think it’s the greatest thing of all time. Same is true for music and movies. Has there never been a game that got raving reviews that you though was just okay? I sure have a lot, as well as loved games that got tanked.
          As a side note its Ferrari with an i. Don’t get their fans over here to crying foul 😛

  • Cloud Strife

    I’m sure some of those “metacritic crusaders” are kids. We can forgive kids, they are stupid (as were we all), but some of them grow brains eventually. Now, if an adult does something like that it’s a different (and a very sad) story.

    • Mitchell

      I won’t even forgive kids. I was a kid. I never did anything like this in regards to Mario v Sonic or CnC v Warcraft or FF v Chrono or Doom v Duke. Likewise I don’t forgive kids for being mouthy brats in game chat/voice. When I was a stupid kid playing multiplayer games, I knew I was playing with older, smarter people, and I tended to keep quiet unless I knew I had a good question to ask.

      • Wolfie

        I can forgive a kid for rushing ahead of a party and getting themselves killed. I will not forgive them for then calling everyone faggots and how much we all suck for not spam-healing their ass.

      • IkeTheChungus

        Yes, but based on the games you listed, you grew up in a time where everyone wasn’t such a touchy bitch with access to a computer.

        • Cloud Strife

          Yeah, it’s easier for the world to see how stupid you are with wide-spread internet access. Adults are kind of forced to interact with kids, because of that. There’s no easy way around that unfortunately.

        • Mitchell

          Right, but I had access to a computer and the Internet. I could easily have been raging on message boards and spamming chat with bratty nonsense in (insert multiplayer game here).

          There’s just a type of person who behaves this way, and it did exist back in the day, too. I remember them. Some of them are still around and haven’t learned, some had kids, and some other kids are just 1st-gen brats. I guess we’ll never get it, and they’ll never learn, but I certainly won’t forgive them for it.

          • Cloud Strife

            Don’t be so harsh. Smart, well-behaved kids are a minority. The majority are loud and silly and WILL do stupid things. I’m not saying adults shouldn’t react and tolerate it, but we should not overreact. Give’ em a spanking, but do not destroy them, because this will just make it worse.

  • andrewmartin

    Can’t we all just agree that it would be a good thing if BOTH Sony and Nintendo stopped trying to force us to buy their crappy hardware in order to enjoy their games?

    • Andrzej Sugier

      Well, they DID pay for those games to be developed, it’s not some kind of bullshit exclusivity deal…

      • andrewmartin

        I think Nintendo could actually make more money as a game publisher than as a maker of lousy hardware. Imagine the state Sega would be in if they refused to release their games except on their own consoles.

    • MindFever

      I don’t consider all consoles equal or worthless. Generalisations are just an excuse not to think

  • Didi Polenta

    as a 36 year old gamer this bullshit, including the commentary by jim sterling, is just so hard to read and take seriously… i can say with utter confidence that the score of 7/10 given to zelda was an obvious provocative “fuck you” to nintendo and the fans – especially since the game is not as bad as jim sets it up to be… irrespective of the score – the tone of your review was shitty and uncalled for. that said – everyone is entitled to their subjective opinion… and while i cannot filter shitty child comments and rants… i can filter out the reviews i read… and jim in all honesty – although i enjoy your language and style, you are getting too fucking “edgy” and paranoid in your numerous copyright etc bullshit posts… so my annoyance is more with the change in the substance of what you write… and the fights/arguments you want to generate.

    you are a gaming critic – so fucking start acting like one as opposed to being a fucking vehicle for adolescent hormones and shit no one is interested in… review more games as opposed to posting 10 topic about your various arguments/annoyances etc. i am interested in the games… not in the snotty arguments of 10 year olds…

    you should be above that noise.

    sincerely,
    father of two

    • At 36 years old, you should be old enough to know that someone is fully within their right to their opinion and give a game a 7/10. Hopefully you raise your kids better in respecting other people’s opinions, too.

      • Didi Polenta

        i was waiting for that PC comment… i said everyone is entitled to their opinion… jim is the one fucking crying about kids reacting to his score… i am commenting on his reaction… not on his opinion… hopefully you will have the balls to have kids when you grow up… much harder than you think son…

        • That’s not a PC comment. It’s that, frankly speaking, for someone claiming to be 36 years old, you don’t act like it. Especially the overreactive part about saying the score was a blatant “fuck you” when, god forbid, it could actually just be how Jim feels about the game.

          How can you confidently believe that? Because saying things like that makes you no different than the overreacting kids who seem to feel insulted because someone felt differently about their favourite game.

        • Gorantharon

          Those kids have commited crimes against him by now.

        • Also, you DID comment on his opinion by saying the score was a blatant “fuck you.” That’s the part I was talking about.

        • IkeTheChungus

          I’m going to assume you read the review. He liked the game, and pointed out several of it’s glaring faults. I don’t see how his responsibility to treat anyone with kid gloves.

        • Wolfie

          Yes. By trying to damage his business. Yet it’s “fucking crying about kids reacting to his score.”

          They fucking DDOS’d his website. I mean… dude.

        • Also also, assuming you’re telling the truth about your age, I’m actually a few years older than you. And even when I was a teenager seeing scores in gaming magazines, I didn’t get so angry over video game or movie review scores.

        • Imp Emissary

          It isn’t just kids getting mad about the 7/10 though.
          It’s also some people in their 30s (some with children even I hear) who can’t accept that Jim just didn’t like that game past “Yeah it’s Good”.

          Funny enough, Jim is also in his 30’s, and has a kid. So I guess we’re all going to be okay.
          =w= b

        • MindFever

          you have no idea what PC means you bleeding imbecile

    • Moon1337

      Oh the Hypocratic. Talking ’bout filtering out childesh rants yet rants about a reviewer.

    • Cloud Strife

      Come on people, he backed up his claims with TWO children! You can’t argue with that.

      • Can you imagine being his kid? You’d be terrified to not like something as much as he did.

        DP: This game is amazing. Game of the year. Greatest game I ever played.
        DP Jr.: Eh, it’s okay. I like this other game more.
        DP: WHAT?
        DP Jr: Yeah, the one’s just okay. I like it, but it’s just okay.
        DP: GO TO YOUR ROOM!
        DP Jr: What, why?
        DP: YOU DON’T SEE THIS GAME’S BRILLIANCE! YOU’RE TRYING TO PUT ME IN THE FUCKING GRAVE BY NOT LIKING IT AS MUCH AS I DO! NOW GO TO YOUR FUCKING ROOM, NOW!

        • Cloud Strife

          After homework there’s an obligatory, 3 hour sessions with dad’s favorite games. And if you can’t enjoy a good game, then you won’t enjoy a good meal. No supper tonight!
          Jokes aside, I don’t know what kind of father he is, but dragging your kids in to show just how responsible of an adult you are is, ironically, a completely childish thing to do.

          • I’M A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WITH CHILDREN! Therefore you can’t criticize anything I say!

          • RipTide

            You must respect my unwarranted assault on a mans character that I based solely on his subjective opinion of a game because I have procreated. Bow down before me for I have created life and am therefor like a god.

          • Didi Polenta

            hahah… don’t you all see the fucking irony in bashing me for my statement regarding kids… claiming people like me are “abusing” jim yet you have no problem bullying the shit out of someone?! illogical little cunts…

          • We’re not claiming anything. We’re making fun of the fact you felt the need to bring up your age and fatherhood to strengthen your argument. And yet all the “bullying” Jim does on a regular basis is criticize video games. He