smashBG
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smashBG

Damn, and I thought the YouTube episode was good. I think there should’ve been more emphasis on bloated budgets and marketing bullshit, though. Deus Ex TV, anyone?

Dax Cushman
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And in Canada, videogames are $80, not 60.

Donald Milliken
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It never fails to amaze me the knots some people will twist themselves into defending the shitty business practices of greedy corporations. You already give them your money, you don’t owe them a damn thing else.

MopeyBloke
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I find it hard to justify buying any games that don’t come complete. Retro gaming really helps though. I have never bought DLC in my life, and never pre-ordered a thing, the very concept of which being accepted by people is baffling.

JackieGoOutside
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JackieGoOutside

So video games now are like bags of chips, the bags stayed the same but the content is mostly air.

KeekingItReal
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Little bit of good news. Not much, but hey, it’s something. On the Kotaku comment board for the transactions in Shadow of War there seems to be a lot of dissent against the game despite the article reporting the game does not appear to have intrusive mirotransactions (I call bull on that, but w/e, that’s not the topic on hand). This is a website that formerly had people defending these business practices in DROVES in the comments section of all places. Now they’re actually putting THIS video as evidence NOT to buy into the “60 game” myth. And there’s quite… Read more »

El Chica Incognitus
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My friend who is a copyright lawyer once pointed out on GoG’s forum that it is somewhat ridiculous that game companies are expecting people to shell out tons of money for games made years and years ago when the actual people who made those games aren’t seeing a penny of it. When all of the money that is being spent on a “good old game” is going to whatever holding company has the rights to the game and not a dime is going to the people who actually put in ANY work on it whatsoever. All he did was piss… Read more »

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Great Shadow of War review, Jim! I have all the information I need to know not to get it till a year’s time. Impressive, considering you weren’t even sent a review copy too…it’s why you my main man, man! 😉

GrimTheWanderer
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GrimTheWanderer

Something you forgot to mention: A fair percentage of the cost used to be for physical media. Packaging, platform media, shipping, etc. With the rise in digital distribution, those costs are (in all probability, don’t have the statistics) significantly less than previously. I would put money that they manufacture far fewer copies than in previous platform generations.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Full agree with your sentiments here Jim, which is why Horizon Zero Dawn was such a breath of fresh air. Sure they had a deluxe version, but no season pass or anything, they didn’t even plan on DLC, but after the overwhelmingly positive response, they decide to work on DLC after the fact, and will be releasing it later this year. No season pass, no micro transactions, no bullshit. When I see a game advertising their DLC in FULL DETAIL before the game is released, to me, that reeks of cut content. Especially with WB’s Injustice 2 and Marvel vs… Read more »

Jiryn
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Jiryn

Wow, when Jim and TotalBiscuit agree on a topic and both show no only how bad things have become, but the problems with such things… you know the topic is both serious and needs addressing.

By chance, I just saw a video by TB talking about his disdain for modern loot boxes and freemium economy…. a lot of which had already been said ad nosium by Jim. As I said, when these two agree.. you know there is something wrong in the industry which needs to be addressed.

Anton
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Anton

“Bobby Kotick just robbed me at gunpoint!” – Gamer

“Well, in this economy, he pretty much had to!” – Apologists

PhoenixShi
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PhoenixShi

There’s always no shortage of people willing to defend a game/company they like. I find it’s especially bad with online games, regardless of how they’re sold (free to play, buy to play, or pay to play), it used to be that if they had anything in the cash shop that affected game play at all, or maybe could even just be traded, people would freak out about how pay to win they are. Now games can sell some of the best equipment, and related in the game through the cash shop, perhaps have then even sourced only through the cash… Read more »

MM
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MM

well, *DON’T* pick up the tab then?

machine_dirty
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machine_dirty

I think most open-world games are pretty damn good, though Shadow of War looks like it’s going to be a tedious and massive grindfest. Especially with that bollocks about being forced to pay for lootboxes to beat Shadow Wars to get the true ending.

AC Origins looks like crap as well.

That stuff you mentioned like the hair FX in Tomb Raider and the horse thing in MGSV seems like they were things the dev team wanted to do, not stuff pushed by the publisher(but i’m sure most devs don’t want to put microtransactions in their games).

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

While considerably less in price even Life Is Strange Before The Storm did this with a deluxe edition that contains an exclusive episode.

Kirk Hammer
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Kirk Hammer

I wonder how many of these shills would, on any other day, consider themselves fans of yours and defenders of consumer rights… until that one game comes along that *they* were excited for, that they decide to give the benefit of the doubt to? Then do they find themselves repeating those same things that they scoffed at when defenders of other games did it?

Amy
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Shadow of War works out to $28 for the standard edition in China. People laugh at the idea of paying even that much for a game. Prices are what they are because people will pay them. I’m getting tired of the AAA industry, and with the quality of indies these days I’m actually cool with spending my money elsewhere now.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Prices have gone up in the UK. £40 used to be the standard but now its anywhere between £45-£60 depending on the publisher and whether you’re getting a digital or physical copy.

Anton
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Anton

The upshot here is, the “AAA” games that pull the $60 & season pass & microtransaction triple-dip are almost never really worth it. These are games born out of a desire to generate cash, rather than any great idea or artistic drive. Forza, COD, Battlefield, Destiny – all assembly-line franchises, in which any individual game is anonymous and replaceable by an identical (but slightly prettier!) version on or two years after its release. Meanwhile, four of the best games of 2017 – Nier, Nioh, RE7, and HZD – have all had rather reasonable expansion DLC plans. On top of that,… Read more »

Sperium3000
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You think that’s bad, ask what games cost in Brazil.

Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

Also last thing, it’s really weird watching Jim’s stuff right after watching CandyEvie’s videos, it’s like that seen from Batman Forever where Riddler put that thing on Two-Face’s head and we see good and evil cartoons (good as in alignments not quality).

Nothing wrong with that, not all shows have to sweary or didlowed as Jims, especially if the creator doesn’t want it to be or wouldn’t work, it just gave me a case of weirdness seeing the tonal difference.

Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

Also, something I’ve wondered, wouldn’t the switch from big cartridges to disk based formats and not discs to pure digital lower costs?

BAH!
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BAH!

Excellent episode, but with one niggle: Your final point about “not asking for high-end games” isn’t as forceful as it could be when literally every industry has various levels of product quality and pricing, and the easiest rebuttal would be “then just buy cheaper games”- which would unfortunately be pretty easy to do since the indie scene has become pretty damn solid in the last 10 years. The fact that you don’t want/didn’t ask for these expensive games is not in any way a reason for them to not exist. The better stronger point is that said games should not… Read more »

Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

Capcom for me is still the worse for this for me, they did this for years, with proof so obvious and out there that it was impossible to not see it like with Megaman 10, Azura’s Wrath, Street Fighter vs Tekken, the bs that was Marvel vs Capcom 3 that made it impossible for years not to be able to play the full game without cheat and now Street Fighter V… … And yet there are STILL hundreds if not thousands of defenders of the company defending this crap, I’m seeing it again with MvCI and that announced Street Fighter… Read more »