The Spin-off Doctors: Pokemon: The First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back

What does Pokemon: The First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back have to say about Adolf Hitler? This is a question your resident Movie Boys have the answer to!

Pokemon tears can heal the dead, Minnesota is the link between realities, and Team Rocket just can’t deliver the goods.

This movie is out of its damn mind.

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Remus
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Remus

I think you will find the next island will be called

Newtwo island

Noam
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Noam

I remember winning a contest where you got to see this movie early and also got a pack of Pokemon cards which they used to give away prizes.

I’m also in Minnesota so that Vikings joke got a cheer in the audience. Except from my friend who was a Packers fan.

Evan Thompson
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Evan Thompson

I remember seeing this movie in theatres!

Rune Leffers
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Rune Leffers

Mewtwo being HItler makes sense to me with Pokemon being a Japanese “thing” we all know whos breakfast sausage there where snacking on back then

Raien
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Raien
WOW! Talking about the Pokemon anime, this episode reminds me of one of the most hilarious pieces of television I can remember. So here in the UK, Pokemon was shown not just on Sky One but on a Saturday morning show called SMTV Live with famous UK presenters, Ant & Dec. One day, before an episode started, Ant & Dec did a little dance to “Please, Mr Postman” as they usually do to introduce their letters section. But as they danced, Dec stopped dancing, felt at his heart and then COLLAPSED ON AIR! As the other presenters looked at him… Read more »
RSL
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RSL

Me and my pals were thankful for Pikachu’s Vacation back then. All the little kids in the cinema squealed and screamed with delight when seeing the Pokemon there and then (mostly) shut up for the main movie.

Also what is it with these Pokemon movies and prophecies? I distinctly remember one about Ash in the second one. I think prophecies are rather lazy.

mrhair
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mrhair

It definitely seems to be a theme in some anime/Japanese video games (probably the ones aimed at younger audiences?) that as long as the bad-guy has a Tragic Backstory(TM), he can’t really be held morally responsible for his actions.

squirrel_killer
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squirrel_killer

Has to do with Japanese beliefs, they are pretty big into the idea of redemption.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

Togepi didn’t have a clone, because Mewtwo balls are advanced enough to catch a Pokeball with a Pokemon inside; but they are totally useless against backpacks.

Neil Studd
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I’m gonna choose to assume Jim meant Rodney King, rather than Jonathan King (infamous British celebrity child-buggerer), otherwise that got tangential very quickly.

I’d never seen any Pokemon film, played any Pokemon game or touched any Pokemon cards before watching this, and I’ll say one thing for it: it still made a heck of a lot more sense than Batman v Superman.

Sluedis
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Sluedis

Fahrvergnügen is German and means the “joy of driving”. I’m not sure if that actually makes Conrad racist, though.
Proably something for the Movie Boys CEO to decide…

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

Is it racist if I’m German by ancestry?

Sluedis
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Sluedis

I think it’s just shameful that you though it’s made up then…

Seriously though it’s very rarely used.

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

Is it a compound word thing?

Sluedis
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Sluedis

Yes. Vergnügen means enjoyment or joy and fahren means to drive. You mash them together and have the joy of driving.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

A) It’s not technically racism, just ignorance of German.

B) There’s nothing in the definition of racism preventing you from being racist against your own race, though.

In fact, most racists ARE racist in relation to their own race. It doesn’t really matter if you attribute positive or negative prejudices.

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

Oh, I’m incredibly racist, and that’s something I’ve never argued against. I can’t prevent my mind from immediately seeking out the most offensive or cruel thing one could think, but I try to be careful not to say the really bad thoughts.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

Why did you delete your reply? For time reasons I couldn’t reply immediately. I thought it was nicely snarky, and now I see it’s gone.

Remnence
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Remnence

It’s not quite Pokemon WW2 but they came out with Pokemon Conquest on the DS which combines the war strategy game Nobunaga’s Ambition with the Pokemon universe.

TaraMayB
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TaraMayB

I hope you two end up doing the other Pokemon films. At least the ones that were released internationally. I would love to see your thoughts on the next one. It has a song I think is on par with the one in this one. Not to mention, the motivation for the villain there I would say is worse than Mewtwo’s very quick existential crisis/attempt at genocide.

VeryImportantQuestion
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VeryImportantQuestion
To be fair, I kind of get where Mewtwo was coming from with the “poorly trained” remark. I mean yeah, all trainers are filthy disgusting slavers…but at least that’s a skill set, y’know? Ash is just shit. He’s shit at slavery. I can only imagine that the one thing that’s worse than having someone enslave you is knowing that they’re not even particularly good at it. If the people subjugating you at least display a baseline level of competence, you can at least be like “well, could have happened to anyone”. That Charizard has to live with the knowledge that… Read more »
VeryImportantQuestion
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VeryImportantQuestion

I’ve had time to think, and maybe “your Charizard is poorly trained” is the Pokemon universe equivalent of “cuck”. He just lucked out that the statement was actually applicable that time.

Chapomon
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Chapomon

Funny you should mentioned that this feature is padded since there is about 15 minutes of Mewtwo and Dr. Fuji’s backstory cut from the American release which is dark and is what puts the question in Mewtwo’s mind about why he is alive.

It’s implied that WWII did happen in the Pokemon world since Lt. Surge’s backstory involves a war. Hail Mewtwo!

I really hated that Christian song thrown in this movie.

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

Indeed, I did learn about “The True Origin of Mewtwo” in the course of finding out about the movie, but we opted not to do it as it wasn’t included in western theatrical releases (I think it eventually released as a special feature on the DVD for a later film, if I’m remembering correctly). Haven’t watched it.

VeryImportantQuestion
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VeryImportantQuestion

To be honest it’s not that important to the film. It does explain Dr Fuji’s entire reason for heading up the cloning project and it does make Mewtwo’s existential crisis a bit less instantaneous, but neither of those things really come into anything later in the film.

What DOES get me is that the same people who decided to cut that, one would assume, evidently decided to replace it with Pikachu’s Vacation. I will very much leave it up to someone else to determine what the logic was there.

Something “witty” here
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Something “witty” here

I think I can answer that…

Look this is a KIDZ movie people we don’t need all this complicated story ’cause all those KIDZ wont get it anyway, instead push this mascot thing more! We could have the next Mickey on our hands here!

I can smell the money!

…Sad thing is they got that money.

Ultraforce
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Ultraforce

oh yeah just so you and Jim know the anime Pokemon world is really weird the anime (and related products) have referenced places such as Hollywood, California, Minnesota, England, and Paris. Here is the globe that appears in one of the movies http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Pokemon-Hologram-World.png

TaraMayB
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TaraMayB

Thank you all for the Metal Gear/Pokemon mashup in my head now. Picturing an old, grizzled Dragonite with a moustache sitting in front of a gravestone putting a gun in it’s mouth trying to prevent an outbreak of Vulpixdie.

Anton
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Anton

Peace Walker and MGSV were already Pokemon mashups, haha. Except instead of cute animals, you did all that to people.

Artemiy
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Artemiy

I’m picturing a cyborg ninja fighting giant Pokemechs with a sword.
And in the end, it has to beeee this waaaaaaay!..

Zeria
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Zeria

You got the original Pokemon Master Guide that NOM did back in the day, Jim? Those were amazing! Much better than the crappy official guides out now that split the walkthrough and Pokedex up into two overpriced volumes that don’t even cover everything anyway.

Cindipool
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Cindipool

I watched this movie again last week in preparation – something I regret with all my heart – and I’m fairly sure Misty saves Togepi from being cloned by cunningly putting it in her backpack. I also think that fighting to the death is what everybody is objecting to. Capturing animals and making them fight for sport is okay, because nobody dies and PTSD is a myth.

I’d also just like to congratulate Conrad on catching himself before he said something he might truly have regretted 🙂

Anton
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Anton

“Capturing animals and making them fight for sport is okay”

This is why I was always horrified that Pokemon was a popular kids’ product. I mean, it’s a show, about kids participating in whimsical dog fighting, which is also the national pastime. The way the inherent morbidity is completely ignored is just plain disturbing.

TaraMayB
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TaraMayB

Oh but they don’t ignore it. That’s the thing. Because they painfully go out of their way to make it seem like the Pokemon are happy to do it and love doing it. Which is more disturbing (still love the games though).

Something “witty” here
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Something “witty” here

Yeah… And in the games Team Plazma go around trying to free Pokemon from their trainers are seen as the bad-guys…

Still not as disturbing as some of those lore entries and the implications they cause.

Anton
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Anton
Anton
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Anton
Wulfsmasher
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Wulfsmasher

M O V I E B O Y S

Cameron Davis
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Cameron Davis

Just remembering that scene with Pikachu zapping Ash’s petrified body makes me tear up a bit

Jordan Richards
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Jordan Richards

Oh man, this was such a fun film. Stupid and at points the dub job messed up the identities of some Pokemon, but this was fun as a kid.

Hopefully you guys get to Pokemon 3 in the future, which is probably one of the best written of the films and actually has actual themes to it!

SK
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SK

I forgot what got me into the video game, maybe it was the cartoon show. What I recall most is in middle school when all of the ‘cool’ kids where peddling the cards to the nerds. ALL OF THEM. I would get swarmed outside of class with people shoving cards in my face like they’re trying to dump bad stock.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

So Jim, do you plan on sitting down and doing the other eighteen at some point?

Mark Davenport
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At least the Movie Boys will never be short of content!

HelixShade
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HelixShade

That’s true. The question is – can Jim’s sanity withstand it? ^^

Mark Davenport
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I only ever saw the first 5, I have no clue what happens after that.

I always considered picking up one of the newer films and watching it, however since I haven’t watched the anime since Advanced, I would have zero context of the new side characters, region or even Pokemon XD

HelixShade
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HelixShade

As I’ve had it put to me, since Pokémon started we’ve had one film every year without fail. With the exception of the Reshiram/Zekrom movie, they generally stopped showing up in western cinema’s after Heroes.

Oddly enough, they still get Cinema releases in Japan.

Mark Davenport
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They get very limited cinema releases here in Australia, but it’s like a weekend only for two weeks only kinda thing, although I assume they just throw the DVD/Blu-ray version and project it.

But I think with Japan, they would have a larger cinema going audience for such things. It’s the case with a lot of anime films there that just get straight to retail in the west.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

All honesty, if you are going to watch one of the newer movies, my recommendation is to grab it on DVD/Blu-Ray when (and if) it comes out. Or wait for someone like Cartoon Network to broadcast it.

Mark Davenport
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I see the new films pop up on Netflix, so if I was going to do it I would most likely just take a gander on there.

Mark Davenport
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I just did an entire subtext essay of this film for university only last week, but I had it in planning for like a month so when I heard at the end of the Hitman episode you were doing it I was like “What?! XD”

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