an ironic fox
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an ironic fox

I didn’t understand the “chaos reigns” reference, so I looked it up. Long story short, I wound up watching Willem Dafoe cum blood. Thanks Jim.

Aleks
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Aleks

Jim were you on Fentanyl?!

GzG92
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I just can’t wait till you guys get to Pokemon 3. I wound up despising Pokemon 2000 when I went back to it as an adult despite it being my favorite of them when I was a kid, but Pokemon 3 is actually a legitimately good movie in its own right. I was shocked.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Spin Off Doctors episode 72 the third Pokemon movie.

Christopher Rose
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Does Professor Ivy look high as balls for the entire thing?

Mewshuji
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Mewshuji

Slowking is truly amazing and I’m so sad he’s only in this movie.

Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander
Heh. I think the problem even with the good Pokémon movies (e.g. the DP movies) is that you still have to be a bit invested in the characters. If you don’t watch the show (as opposed to being just a fan of the games), you aren’t likely to easily become invested, since the movies generally assume a sort of a level of engagement. (Even though most of the later ones started with some basic blurb for the unfortunates seeing one with no clue, it really only tells you the very basic premise, e.g. Pokémon are a Thing, and people do… Read more »
Appretaur
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Appretaur
I think what you explain also indicates that it’d be fairly fruitless for the Movie Boys to go much further in this series even just for the sake of having something bad to complain about, since the movies that even the fans hate are primarily hated for reasons that could only apply to long-time invested fans. My big case in point is movie 16, the one about Mega Mewtwo and five Genesect; from a film buff’s perspective, it’s just your usual bland guff in a series filled with highly similar copy-pastes of that “extended Pokemon TV episode” formula that I’d… Read more »
Chris
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I think what it signified is that they don’t care what grown men watching all sixteen if these movies for children to sell them toys and video games think. Which honestly I think more franchises need to realize, you can’t kill yourself worrying about what the most vocal and angry part of your fanbase thinks when you’re trying to sell to kids and new audiences.

If only DC would learn this with their movies.

Jake
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Jake

I remember seeing this with my sister as a kid and her thinking the villain was David Bowie for some reason. That still gives me a chuckle watching it back.

MuddyScarecrow
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I am thoroughly amused that you guys don’t bring up Tracey ONCE. I fucking HATED Tracey when I was a kid. He was boring and wasn’t Brock. Fun fact, Movie Boys, there’s a reason Brock is hanging with Doctor Ivy: parents complained that he was an offensive racial stereotype and so he was replaced by Tracey. ….They thought this. Because he had slanty eyes. ….I wonder if any of those parents know what projection means.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
I’m just gonna quote bulbapedia on this because bulbapedia is the most thorough pedia in the universe and thus they reference a 2008 interview with former Pokémon anime director and storyboard artist Masamitsu Hidaka, who explained that Tracey was introduced and brock was briefly phased out: “because, once they realized Pokémon was going to go global, there was a chance that Americans, if not anyone else outside of Japan, would view Brock as a racist stereotype because of his eyes (even though there wasn’t an actual complaint yet). So they created a “tall, white, Anglo-looking character to replace him, just… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Also, Brock is a huge perv and just wanted to stay near a hot chick for a bit.

MuddyScarecrow
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That’s…even worse! I apologize for my assumption. That’s just what I always heard. I guess It’s kind of a relief that no one actually complained but holy shit that’s idiotic! Also they brought Brock back because nobody gives an actual malasada fried fuck about that dull piece of white toast Tracey.

sam
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sam

I know the pokemon rap!
Haterade! Bubbledump! Overdraft! Headcheese! Picklefeet! Frontbutt! Softbrick! Commonwhore! Underloaf! Chairworlf! Manateats! Freebase! Nickleback! Lumbersack! Tinyhead! DOOR!

sam
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sam

Heheh, when they announced they were doing Mewtwo returns last podcast I did wonder to myself if they’d catch on in time that Mewtwo is actually the 4th movie (I think…)

Appretaur
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Appretaur

It’s a made-for-TV special placed in between the actual third and fourth movies (the fourth being about Celebi). And I’d tell the Movie Boys that the first three movies and Mewtwo Returns, in that order, are really the only Pokemon productions of particular interest for a podcast like this and for most other people, as almost all the rest exist purely as well-animated longer episodes that do nothing more than promote the most recent legendary Pokemon creature designs for the time.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Isn’t the case with all of the Pokemon movies?

George
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George

I thought some of them were theatrical releases.

Appretaur
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Appretaur

From the U.S. perspective, most of the earlier ones were shown theatrically, as late as the 5th one with [email protected] as I recall. But even if all of the rest were just DVD releases over here, the Japanese perspective is where all of them are universally counted as actual films, since they all get shown theatrically over there every year. But on both sides of the Pacific, Mewtwo Returns was never anything more than a feature-length *special* that appeared on TV.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I only recall the first getting a theatrical release in the UK.

Chris
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I remember at the very least the first two getting us theatrical releases widely enough I noticed them even though I had stopped paying attention to the Pokemon stuff by that point. But they definitely transitioned to being straight to TV/DVD things at some point after that.

Steve B
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The first three got UK cinema releases (source: I saw them). I think the fourth might have had a tiny release in a few limited cinemas. They’d fully given up on that idea by the fifth one though.

Simon
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Simon

I only remember there was one Pokemon movie.

Aotrs Commander
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Aotrs Commander

Actually, having recently watched them, I would say that the DP generation movies are WELL worth a watch, as they are collectively by far the best (since the first three of those are an actual honest-to-goodness trilogy with continutity and everything).

The one between 3 and them are, I agree, not especially brilliant, though I still enjoyed them myself.

Dmenty
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Dmenty

After the next resident evil, maybe the Netflix castlevania show? (Fuck Konami) Or maybe a gaming adjacent movie like Gamer or eXistenz by David Cronenberg?

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The Castlevania show is very clearly a movie albeit one cut into four episodes and one which is clearly just a prologue for another series. I’m still waiting on The Wizard.

Chris
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I’m hoping for Scott Pilgrim.

Dmenty
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Dmenty

Wizard is definitely up there. Needs to be done soon. And definitely Scott Pilgrim when they need a pick me up.

Thinking about it, existenz should be done a la how they did pixels. There’s enough WTF in there that I would like to see their reactions if they having seen it before.

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

Existenz isn’t quite right for a live watching like Pixels… but there is an Adam Sandler movie called “Big Daddy” which I assume is about the wacky hijinks Sandler gets up to when he is invited to Rapture because Andrew Ryan (not that one…wait) just needed some goobers to turn into Big Daddies.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Your plot is far superior to the actual plot, despite it being one of Sandler’s better comedies (and an alright movie) since it was before he realized Happy Madison could literally print money for him. I realize now I probably think it is better because it was before Sandler just became a singular generic “lead character” which is just a homogeneous amalgamation of everything that was humorous about him on SNL and his first few movies. I feel like Seth Rogen is creeping into that same territory of “just one character, many different names and occupations”. But Rogen’s problem is… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

On the subject of Rogen I find Preacher has been good so far. Quite far from a faithful adaptation but still good.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I don’t watch TV really. Maybe a few episodes of something on Netflix every once in a while, but it doesn’t quite provide the escapism games, and to a lesser extent movies, do.

YoDude
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YoDude

Gotta find the right tv show. Mind you the shows I watch are generally pretty dark and not that “escapey”. Well. They are. But they aren’t light hearted.

Barloq
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Barloq

I think you hit the nail on the head with Rogen, his writing his inconsistent, but his delivery and performance is usually the shining light, even in his crappier films.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

They’re both fans of Cronenberg and do you really think Jim wouldn’t have seen a fi;m starring Dafoe?

George
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George

I still suggest Bayonetta: Bloody fate. There’s also that Dante’s Inferno the anime.

Then there is Still Tron, Tron: Legacy, Enders Game, eXistenz. Also the Netflix Castlevania is worth a watch, I agree. And oddly enough it’s not a true anime.

Also, did they do the Far Cry movie yet?

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Not as of yet. There is also a Ghost Recon Wildlands film well I say film it is only around 30-40 minutes and according to the reviews is little more than a glorified advert more so than other video game movies.

Andreas G.
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I’m still adamant about them doing Miike’s video game movies – Like A Dragon (based on YAKUZA) and Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, just for the sheer hilarity of them.

Mewshuji
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Mewshuji

Well shoot if we’re getting into TV anime adaptations, might as well go with the Sengoku Basara tv series. Jim’s familiar with the franchise due to it’s similarity to Dynasty Warriors and given how much the both of them loved the Mortal Kombat films due to how crazy they were, it ought to be fun. It’s about 4 hours to watch the first season (12 22 minute episodes) which is more or less a self-contained story. Maybe it’s a bit long though, I’m not sure. Just an idea of course!

Terry Osaurusies XI
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Terry Osaurusies XI

You know shit’s gonna be real dank when Jim sings westlife. And we love it when you play rough and hard to get 😉

Appretaur
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Appretaur
The first movie, and this second one to a lesser extent, had enormous plot changes and mis-writes committed by the paranoid and overbearing 4Kids at the time, such as rewriting Mewtwo’s character and contriving an implausible world-ending plan for him to pursue. You can see a lot of useful comparisons between localized and Japanese versions of these and other Pokemon movies and episodes at the site Dogasu’s Backpack. For example, the original intended character stance of the rich villain (either “Lawrence III” over here or “Gelardan” over there) is that, in considering Pokemon to be display pieces, he prefers the… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I distinctly remember him saying in the US version, in the theater no less because I cared at the time, “What a surprise, I seem to have caught more than I bargained for. [other dialog] I don’t collect people, as I’m not interested in them. You’re free to go as long as you respect my displays.”.

I remember this because I was legitimately annoyed they put the safety of the Pokemon over their own safety by immediately disregarding his words and destroying the cages. And I was like 11.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

So does this fit in at a certain point of the timeline of the show?

Appretaur
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Appretaur

Later in the second season after the Indigo League stuff, Ash & Co. end up sailing around the Orange Islands for a bunch of episodes. This movie incidentally takes place at some point in that time frame.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The Orange Islands AKA the episodes which occurred between Pokemon games where only one of the gym battles actually involved Pokemon battle. But later in the second season? As far as I’m aware the Orange islands is the second season. The Indigo league takes place in the exceptionally long first season. The first season is 27 hours long.

Appretaur
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Appretaur

Hmm, well, I was going by how Netflix presents the first 52 episodes as “Season 1”, ending with “The Breeding Center Secret,” and by how Bulbapedia says that episode aired in the US in May of 1999 whereas the remaining twenty-some episodes of the Indigo league started airing in September several months later.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Pallet Party Panic is the first episode of season two I believe. According to the air dates on Wikipedia, it started airing in September 1998 through to October. It then took a break until February of 99 continued airing until April. After which it took a further break until September and then was shown until the first season ended. From there it appears to have aired weekly until the end of time.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

New rule:
All episodes must be editorialized in way too much detail from now on. Best Spin-Off content in ages.

Austin_SJ
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Austin_SJ

On the soundtrack to this film (the cd that is) there was a romance song of Misty singing to Ash. As a kid I thought it was a legit romantic song that would get me all the girls.
Anyway I listened to that soundtrack on repeat, Pokémon mon mon mon