The Spin-off Doctors: Resident Evil – Afterlife

https://soundcloud.com/jimquisition/the-spin-off-doctors-resident-evil-afterlife

(Apparently the Soundcloud file doesn’t want to embed on the site today, which is a new way in which it’s fucking up for me. Why not, eh?)

Alice is better than everybody who was ever in a Resident Evil videogame. Remember that!

More undead gibberish is here, with only Good Wesker providing any sort of relief. How will your Movie Boys cope? Well, one of them sorta liked it!

Nitrium
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I just watched Wing Commander in prep for next time’s episode. Jebus it’s bad. The film, effects, sets (including the all the tech) looks very 80’s (e.g. the on screen graphics and all the large push buttons and dials). And why are almost all the ceilings in this film too low for people to walk under? Roberts seemed to be going for “Top Gun in space” and utterly fails. Freddie Prinze Jr. has the Tom Cruise role but he’s such a lousy actor he’s just painful to watch – how he was ever a thing is baffling. Saffron Burrows is… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

That was why I enjoyed it. The film is very nineties as it features Lillard in the exact same role he played every other film at the time. It also has quite a few very good character actors in it like David Suchet & David Warner.

I didn’t finish it but I was amused by how long it goes without even featuring the Kilrathi.

George
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I just finished rewatching it too! I remember being 13-14 and having the biggest crush on Freddie Prinze Jr. and (I’m ashamed to admit) Mathew Lillard. But now I watch it and yeah… the movie is just so bad. haha

I’m looking forward to the next episode too!

Rueben Jones
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Rueben Jones
I’m actually really excited for this one, it’s a movie I’ve seen many times as a kid before I could distinguish the difference between exciting and good, and even then it was pretty iffy, but it holds a special place in my heart as a so-terrible it’s actually kind of incredible film. I would argue that Jurgen Prochnow and Tcheky Karyo steal the entire show, eating up scenery like it’s made of candy floss. But I had a point I was going to try and make. The movie was meant to be Submarines But In Space, so while the Top… Read more »
Nitrium
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Yes I totally see the submarine references: there is a scene with a sort of sonar ping (and everyone is told to be very quiet, despite the fact that sound cannot travel whatsoever in a vacuum!) and “depth charges” while they are hiding in the asteroid crater. Also firing at an enemy ship using broadside cannons, screams naval rather than airforce. I’ll amend my description as Roberts going for Top Gun AND Hunt for Red October AND classic ship movie in spaaaaaaaace.

Nitrium
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Only images <5MB can be posted directly, and Jim has disallowed proper links on this site making posting of external links very annoying. Still, for Conrad:
http://s20(DOT)postimg(DOT)org/n87mdah3h/Afterlife.gif (replace (DOT) with . ).
Also as other's have said, the movie term is deus ex machina: https://en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

Steven Llambias
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Steven Llambias

Something done just because the movie needed it? Sounds like Bullshit ex Machina to me.

pg
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pg

If you guys are enjoying this Good Wesker,you are going SO PISSED to when you what they did to him in Final Chapter…

Octopus Grift
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I have always thought the Resident Evil movies were watchably bad. Then again I don’t have any strong affection toward the games, so I don’t have the massive feeling of betrayal over the movies not being like the games.

Frank
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Frank

I found the first Resident Evil movie rather bland,
Then I watched the second one, and thought that it made the first one look like Citizen Kane.
Stopped watching RE-Movies after that.

Sam Leheny
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Dunno how she shot a camera, but they don’t only use blanks when filming movies. For example, Brandon Lee we accidentally shot and killed on the set of The Crow when the left over bullet from a dummy cartridge became wedged in the barrel of a revolver, and in a later scene that same gun was loaded with blanks, which when combined with the stuck bullet basically added up to a live round.

Alex Blackmore
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Alex Blackmore

Not to mention blanks are plenty capable of causing very real and serious damage if mishandled anyway.

Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

As I understand it, she didn’t shoot it. She throw a shotgun at the camera for one of the slow mo 3D shots and it hit the camera

Concubinary Code
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Also I wanted to mention this back on pixels but I like how Jim is doing his facts now in that it’s referencing/making fun of the movie or series the movie boys are talking about. I think it’s a good fit despite the fact it isn’t as lit as those memes from way back when fam

George
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The new fact intro is also really good!!! I agree.

Concubinary Code
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I’ve heard things happening in a movie because they needed to happen as an asspull.

Indymonster
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Am I the only one who noticed the “4 years later”-text that showed up between the zooming out when the lights where going out, and zooming back in and seeing the guards on the roof? So obviously the whole opening scene, though it was way too long and didn’t make much sense, happened 4 years before attack of the Alice-clones happened. So I guess they decided to show how the apocalypse started in Tokyo for some unknown reason.

Lachlan Pease
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Lachlan Pease

Regarding “events happening because the movie needed something to happen”, I call it “Deus Ex Fuckery”

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

So are they doing games based off non video games? I would love to see them watch Clue, and suffer through Battleship.

Also my suggestion for ‘events happening because we need them for the plot’ is ‘Warcrafting it’.

Nitrium
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If they started doing board games they’d have to do Dungeons & Dragons too. I suspect these would only be on the cards once they’ve completely exhausted their original mandate of movies either based on, inspired by, or featuring as a key plot point, video games.

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

I love Clue so much. I’m hoping the new movie based on it isn’t a complete disaster, but it’s sounding a lot like Rat Race.

ManuOtaku
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ManuOtaku

I did stop watching the movies since the fourth one. That is when they lost me, incredible coincidence that it is the same for the games. Hope it changes with 7, though ( I mean the game).

Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

Great podcast, but the most important thing was when Jim mentioned the 4K version of 5th Element. I lost my DVD of it and have been looking for a blueray or another copy but it is impossible to find.

Where did Jim get it? Inquiring minds need to know!

Nitrium
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http://www(DOT)blu-ray(DOT)com/movies/The-Fifth-Element-Blu-ray/138634/
Apparently it’s legit 4K too, not the “fake” 4K that many of the remasters are:
http://realorfake4k(DOT)com/my-product/the-fifth-element/

Obviously replace the (DOT) with a .

Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

thanks for the link. The shipping to Ireland is ridiculous but atleast I know the version of it I should be looking for now

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

It sounded as though he was streaming it, since it was in the middle of a rant about Mississippi bandwidth.

Rachel McVeigh
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Rachel McVeigh

yeah it did sound like that, but hope springs eternal

George
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Regarding the whole, “…because the movie needed it to happen…” thing. I think it’s a modern Deus Ex Machina. In that it’s a contrived event or power that shows up to resolve the plot in some way. It’s just done in a lot of these movies on a mini but multiple scale.

Also, This episode made me laugh a lot thanks.

Nemesis_Hunter
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Nemesis_Hunter

I think it should just be called Nanomachines

George
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Yes! Yes! Yes!

Ruby
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Ruby

Deus ex machina was my first thought too.

Gary Hall
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Hate to the one who does this and does the fact check thing. but where does Conrad get his cinemas are dying facts from. Cause 2015 was the highest grossing year for cinema in history and 2016 was a slight decline but not by much on projections 2017 q1 says it will eb similar surely there be less.

Chris
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Yes, and almost none of that money goes to theatres, which is what he’s referring to. The studio’s keep ninety plus percent of ticket sales opening week and then slowly allow theaters to keep more each week after, and this at a time when movies often only have one or two big weeks during the peak seasons. Add in the cost of extremely expensive digital projection and 3d that the studios force on them and they aren’t making anything like the money they used to. It’s why you see smaller chains dying off while a handful of larger chains survive.… Read more »
Gary Hall
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Well I talking about cinema takings not in general not dvd sales etc. Now if Conrad was right we should see it declining across the board we don’t. The average world cinema audience has been growing since 1996 were ti was at its peek low. THe lack fo event movies which ended with titanic and such movies though ther were brief sparks like jurrasic park.. Now 3d is dying I will agree with you reason why most films aren’t made in 3d anymore. Digital is being cut out for film or both beign shown. The great critic mark Kermode has… Read more »
Chris
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Then you’re talking about the wrong thing. Conrad meant Cinemas, as in the places people go to see movies. Movie theaters. And he meant in the US presumably. US and British move theaters are dying, he’s right about that. The rest of what you’re saying makes no sense as an argument to that. Theaters are not making money, studios are.

Gary Hall
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I am talking about cinema going which isn’t dying out as many people went to the cinema as last year all time high was 2015. We have the numbers niow if he wa ruiight we wouldsee a dropp off year on year. We don’t actually we see the opposite. I can ige yout he raw number s if you wish for cinema going even independent cinemas are still on going.

Chris
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It is clearly not worth trying to convince you. You’re taking ticket sales when theaters don’t make any money from ninety percent of ticket sales. Movie studios are doing fantastic. Movie theaters are suffering.

George
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Interestingly, this is also occurring with bars/clubs/pubs. I think what’s pushing this change in behaviour is a loss of purchasing power on the part of todays generation.

I wonder how independent cinemas are doing in North America?

Also, apparently movie theatres are doing quite well and expanding in China. I don’t know how true that is though.

Chris
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That’s one hundred percent true, and it’s why the studios don’t care that much about domestic theaters and ticket sales. We’re only a couple years away from China and South America being more important markets than the US for movies. It’s already true that a lot of movies we consider bombs her do so well overseas that it doesn’t matter.

George
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I live in Canada and our Theatre distribution network is manage primarily by American companies. I like to think that if these cinema chains die that it will leave more of a space for independent theatres to thrive in. So even though the Cinima as a North American business is in trouble, I hope that film as an art form will actually do better….this may just be wishful thinking but one can hope right?

Chris
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That’s not how basic business works though. Small companies can’t absorb costs the same way, so short of some major paradigm shift, small and independent theaters die, one or two massive chains that can afford to run theaters at lower and lower margins gobble everything up while lowering quality and raising prices on consumers for all the non ticket things you buy, and fewer and fewer people go to the movies and instead watch them from home. No one is questioning film as an art, it’s the business model of movie theaters that will die unless something changes. And studios… Read more »
George
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I’m hoping for the paradigm shift. Small independent theatres tend to sell a very different product than the large chains. If more large chains die then these indi theatres with their low budget Canadian Comedies and art house films, will become a more viable option for someone who wants to see a movie. Especially since their ticket prices are also much lower in many cases.

Although most Canadian movies are pretty crappy…Case in point Resident evil: Afterlife.

YoDude
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YoDude

I never understood why but it seems like South America and Asia have been stuck in the 80’s since I was born. Which comicidentally was in the 90’s.

They love shitty movies and weird af plot lines mostly about hurting things.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

I think action movies just have a much easier time jumping the cultural/language gap. Most east Asian movies we get in the US are Kung fu, gun fu and samurai movies, because there’s less complicated dialogue to translate and violence being universal.

Chris
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It’s the same as what happened with Hong Kong in previous decades. They learned martial arts movies could still in the West, so that’s what they started making in large numbers. Now, we’ve learned super heroes still well in China, so that’s all we’ll be making for a while.

RuRiK
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RuRiK

Milla destroyed the $100.000 camera because Paul Anderson told her to swing a shotgun towards the lens and she accidentally hit it

bimmyz
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bimmyz

i think these movies are to blame for RE6 short comings, CAPCOM musta thought, hmm, people really like RE for its bombast, so lets give them one!

Morgoth
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Morgoth

Nah. Capcom screwed that pooch on their own.

Octopus Grift
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Capcom does not deserve to be let off the hook for screwing up RE6.
To be fair to the movies RE4 took some cues from the movies and it is the best one (although I haven’t played 7 yet.)

LazyAza
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LazyAza
These movies specifically have indeed influenced bits and pieces of the games over the years and vice versa but I would say RE6 wasn’t the mess it was solely for that reason it was more a general creative direction that wasn’t well thought out. Even the terrible films aren’t to blame for that really. They could have easily had a more action packed shooter type game and still not included all the janky segments, reused levels and awful quicktime garbage. All of that was directly on capcom for failing to understand what makes good 3p action games good. All the… Read more »
goodbyejojo
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goodbyejojo

this movie has directly copied the cutscene from RE5 involving Wesker vs Chris and Sheva and repackaged it as its own finale.

Concubinary Code
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All that was missing from the movie was button prompts

goodbyejojo
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goodbyejojo

*JIM’s HORN IMPRESSION
FUN FACT OF THE DAY!

did you know?

the final fight sequence involving Wesker vs the Redfield siblings has been directly lifted shot for shot from the RE5 cutscene involving Wesker vs Chris and Sheeva?

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

This is the last movie of this series I saw, because it was the first one (to me) where it became blatantly obvious they didn’t care about lining up the monsters with the lore. I wasn’t able to forgive Plagas and Progenitor monsters suddenly showing up with no explanation of any kind; when the world wouldn’t be able to support their origins since it, ya know, ended before they were (re)discovered.

It was just adding insult to injury when they basically stated that Wesker’s power came from the T-infused Plagas, and also he’s a cannibal now because why not.

Anton
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Anton

I’d be mad too…. if the base lore made any sense to begin with.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

It makes sense if you are already mad.

Anton
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Anton

Yeah, pretty much. I could pretend it made sense before I took middle-school biology; afterwards, I had to completely turn my brain off to appreciate RE at face value.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

The key to enjoying fiction is suspension of disbelief.

Anton
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Anton

Yeah, but some things are harder to suspend than others, and this motherfucker wants to SINK.

That being said, I’m perfectly ok with shutting off my rational mind for a few hours and dumbing out with some RE… including the movies XD

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I recommend a well-edited Wiki to let steadier minds than your own explain the lore. I haven’t been on it for a few years, but the Wikia RE Wiki was pretty good way back when before RE6.

Fact-based fandoms (inasmuch as fiction allows) are the best kind.

Anton
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Anton

I’m perfectly familiar with the lore and fictional science behind the games. Things like viral infections quadrupling your body mass and making you regenerate infinitely without any caloric input are the bread and butter of the series. It’s cool…. but thoroughly stupid, and wildly inconsistent even in the context of the games. The golden macguffin of RE is “virus did it”, used to explain anything and everything.

Also, “steadier minds”? lol. I wasn’t aware I came off as unstable (though that might be what an unstable person thinks)

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Which is just a science version of a wizard did it. MGS is pretty much the same.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I meant steady as in they are able to cope with it at face vale, like myself. You have to be able to accept the magic virus, or else nothing else makes sense.

I originally wrote “saner” because that is the turn of phrase. Not like it matters.

YoDude
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YoDude
Resident Evil is lackluster for plot. Always has been. Shit doesn’t make sense. BUT that’s okay. Because the games were about having a good time. I can appreciate the movies for the same reason. It’s ridiculous but it revels in it to the point it’s over the top and that works. I always found MGS yoo over the top. Maybe it’s because when I think of military shit I get all serious and hateful. MGS even did stuff that I support with its themes of antiviolence and hypocritical agendas dictating soldiers being thrown away for no reason. But then it… Read more »
Anton
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Anton

Ahh, gotcha.

And like I said, I can enjoy the plot, but I pretty much have to stop thinking reasonably or analytically. And once that happens, the movies make about as much sense as the games, which was my original point all along.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
I guess the difference for me is I never try to impose reality on fiction. I accept they may have similar overlapping rules, just for the sake of making the fiction easier to create, but when a creator says that: Their virus can turn people into monsters OR that a sprightly British woman can jump several feet into the air OR that a vigilante has seemingly infinite resources to spend on gadgets and gear OR that treasure hunting is an actual occupation held by gleeful murderers OR that a small child can go through his basement into Hell itself…. I’m… Read more »
Morgoth
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Morgoth

Eh, took you long enough to suddenly care about the lore, considering the T virus gave Alice plenty of cool powers, but turned Matt into Nemesis and Isaacs into a Tyrant, and the rest of the people in zombies.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Nemesis is a T-Virus creature, made from implanting an infected parasite directly into the host’s brain if they show genetic propensity for becoming Tyrants. Likewise, Tyrants are T-creatures where pure T-cells are directly injected into the blood for those predisposed to accepting the virus but they lack any sort of controlled mutation. Up until RE5/Umbrella Chronicles revealed otherwise, it was common knowledge that Wesker was a special case due to his apparent infection by the Tyrant at the end of RE1. He was shown to have superpowers during the events of Code Veronica, and it wasn’t unlikely for others to… Read more »
drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The previous one is the one where it became blatantly obvious that were mostly Resident Evil in name only and mostly a series of films about Milia Jovovich. I’ve not seen the fourth but that doesn’t really sound like anything has changed.

Morgoth
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Morgoth

How was it blatantly obvious in the *third* one, but not in the previous two? And I ask as someone who likes the whole series 😛

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

They are slightly more subtle regarding it in the first two films. The third is one where they drop any subtle approach and Alice becomes a Mary Sue character.

Morgoth
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Morgoth

Eh, just slightly. In the second this whole Project Alice thing is already going on, and we have her fighting Nemesis near the end (like something straight out from a “My OC vs Nemesis fanfiction”).
In the first one it helped that she shared screen (and credits) with Michelle Rodriguez. After that, it became her show.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I don’t have a problem with alternate timelines, so long as they at least make the alternate timeline follow somewhat similar rules. As I said, this is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me on a somewhat enjoyable series. I only learned after the fact it was, like Sandler’s films, a vehicle by which they generated work for themselves.

Ventrus
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Good job 🙂 Aside from that weird burst of racism at the start regarding 3D, I thought this episode was totally on form. Jim was focused on the movie and games and kept engaged with Conrad. Facts were implemented with relevance (and without piercing my ears) and there were almost no irrelevant personal/political rants. This is near exactly what I want from The Spin-off Doctors

George
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For me this episode was one of the best that they have done so far. I really did laugh a lot. Especially with the “shall I drink the sea until I die now? or later?”

Or Jim’s scream in the middle of the episode was another one.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Several of those factors are what other people are listening for though.

Ventrus
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I can only speak for myself of course, but nothing makes me want to tune out more. In general though, I left this episode entertained.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

The problem is those parts are also a core part of the podcast. Spin-Off Doctors while each episode has in essence a central subject it is also just as much a podcast where Jim & Conrad chat about things for an hour or more with it only loosely being connected to the film they are meant to be discussing.

Podquisition is mostly the game technically it’s a videogame podcast but is also mostly a podcast where Jim, Laura & Gav chat about things for an hour or more.

Ventrus
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I’m not really wanting them to ad-lib about ‘things’. That’s fair enough for a weekly pod-cast, but not for a fortnightly show with a very definite premise. I’ve waited 2 weeks and it feels like time is wasted when they veer off track.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

There is no ‘on-track’. The point is the digressions and weirdness. There are literally hundreds of podcasts of boring nerds talking about boring things.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

You may have waited two weeks. But you’ve also waited two weeks for a podcast which is only recorded a few days before it’s uploaded and which also doesn’t have that much organisation and only really a loose structure to it. The improvisation is just as much a part of it as the discussion regarding the film.

Polishfury5000
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I’m really happy facts are back, and even happier with the way they are delivered. Got a kick from all the quote usage.

Please keep up with quotes from correlating games, when possible. So much more fun than just shouting “fact!” or using a meme keyboard.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

So how would that work with the Tetris film? Assuming it happens.

Landy Alexander
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Landy Alexander

He’ll obviously sing the tetris theme song but using the word ‘fact’.

Polishfury5000
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Jim’s a resourceful guy. He managed to get Adam Sandler to present facts for Pixels, I imagine he could score Tetris creator Alexey Pajitnov.

(I’m assuming it would just be an awful Yakoff Smirnoff impression, with at least one “in Soviet Russia, fact learns you!”)

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Yes you can’t beeee dumber than Dumbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh
Dumber than Dumbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh
Dumbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh

Eh, eh, eh.

Dumbrella.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

What Conrad’s describing around the hour mark is what I believe has been described as Raymond Chandler syndrome if the action gets quite have a man come through the door with a gun.

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