kimiyoribaka
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kimiyoribaka

I really like these interpretations. They make this series seem more like classical literary criticism, like the time before the job of a critic was purely to describe a work and say if it was good.

tekhedd
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tekhedd

I think children *do* notice the weaknesses, just not so consciously. Kids aren’t stupid, just inexperienced. This is IMO one of the main differences between a good kids movie, and a great one. And a lot of the reason why Ralph is just good.

And, have you noticed that almost every Disney movie has subtext messages that completely cancel out the overall theme. Canonical example is “beauty and the beast”, where you learn that if you look past the exterior and see beauty inside, you are rewarded with the shallow physically beautiful hunky dude.

MechaSlinky
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MechaSlinky

“Kids aren’t stupid”
You need to meet more kids.

Peter Schaper
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Peter Schaper

“Kids aren’t stupid” is one of the biggest fallacies I know of that gets brought up on a regular basis. We’ve all been there. We should know this.

Teenagers are stupid. Heck, most *adults* are still stupid. Donald Trump is about to be the Republican candidate for the President of the United States as picked by adults, for fuck’s sake.

BAH!
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BAH!

I think what the phrase means is less “kids are equipped to make good decisions in any given scenario”, and more “kids are often more observant of the situation they’re in than we give them credit for.”

Kids aren’t stupid. They’re kids. Adults, on the other hand, can often be incredibly stupid because – unlike kids – they know better.

Something “witty” here
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Something “witty” here

Or should know.

RioSine
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RioSine

Are you trying to proof that every kid or person out there is stupid out of yours “personal experience”? wow that is quite smart of you

“We’ve all been there” No we havent you have to properly demonstrate it.

I really think its indoctrination of false truth that make people stupid when they grow old. repeating and unproven statement, a lie, a lot and it will just get fixed into people heads.

Critical thinking or the scientific method heals it but its only learnt throught a mathematical logic course in the university or internet

Peter Schaper
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Peter Schaper

Not every child is stupid. But the blanket statement that we should be confident that children are inheriently intelligent doesn’t work. Their brains aren’t even close to being fully developed. That’s not an opinion, it’s practical science.

CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

That’s the kind of reasoning that politicians use when they try to censor videogames: Think of the children, because they can’t think by themselves.

Matrim
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Matrim

Kids AREN’T stupid on average, they’re just ignorant and willful.

Aidan Long
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Aidan Long

Heck that’s actually how a lot of creators of kid’s media look at their audience: as adults but with a lot less experience. True, there are dumb kids, but there aren’t nearly as many as we try to make out. Besides if we keep assuming that kids are dumb it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when they become adults.

Keen
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Keen

That isn’t a reward for Belle, it’s the resolution for the “breaking the curse” part of the story. Beast doesn’t want to be a beast, none of the servants want to be household objects. Of course the story resolves that way. If Beast had been born looking like a monster this criticism would make more sense.

It’s a credit to the animators that Belle is at first a little unnerved by Beast’s transformation. It takes a moment for her to decide that yes, this is the same guy she loves.

vonSanneck
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vonSanneck

I do enjoy these. The nit-picking is funny to me, mainly due to Conrad and Jim’s banter about it. Will await the episode of unintentional comedy that is Silent Hill: Revelations 3D

David Sayers
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David Sayers
I’m aware you’re both being at least semi-facetious about the film’s message, but I’d still argue it’s a lot more ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’ than ‘Pokemon: The First Movie’. It’s easy to say that the film crushes the aspirations Ralph has at the beginning, but the problem with his aspirations is that they tie in to the same problematic good guy/bad guy dichotomy that is so unfair to him in the first place. He doesn’t want to make things better for the community at large, he just wants to join the ranks of the privileged. Maybe the film falls short… Read more »
BAH!
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BAH!

Well said. I feel both Wreck-It Ralph and Monsters University were a bit under-appreciated for how they presented the polar opposite of the classic “you can do anything if you believe in yourself” trope. And let’s be honest, “find out what you’re good at” is a much better message than “just try harder”.

Keen
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Keen

“Find out what your good at” is a really, really bad message for anyone and especially children. It perpetuates the idea of “talent” rather than the truth that most of the time people are good at things because they’ve worked hard developing their skills and were open to criticism. Waiting to find something that you’re innately good at without expecting to work hard is a crippling mindset.

“Find out what you enjoy doing” would be a better message.

BAH!
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BAH!

Eh, a combination with caveats would be best, but it’s a 90-120 minute movie for children who probably don’t understand the nuances of life.

Either message could be crippling if applied wrong, but I think the former is worse since it implies something that is literally not true.

Whirlwind86 .
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Whirlwind86 .
I agree. I enjoyed this episode of Spin off Doctors as always, but I’d rather have known more of their genuine opinion rather than 1 hour of tongue an cheeck commentary. The joke kind of dried up towards the end and I don’t know if they actually missed the point on this one or if they were doing it for entertainment value but that definitely didn’t worked that well on me. I mean it’s always fine, after all everyone can take away different things from the same work, and their is for sure an interpretation on it that I didn’t… Read more »
Christian Cruz
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Christian Cruz

Long time listenere here. Is there a reason why this isn’t done weekly? This is amazing and I love it. 🙂

Ultraforce
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Ultraforce

not enough time I think.

nige22
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nige22

Yeah. Jim may be God-Emperor of Mankind but he still needs his beauty sleep

galactix100
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galactix100

It’s so both they and the listeners have time to sit down and watch the films

Baron T
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Baron T

And possibly to increase the total lifespan of the series by a factor of two. There’s a lot of crappy videogame movies out there, but not an infinite amount 🙂

Sam Cole Owens
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Sam Cole Owens

Surely it would only take on device to have an internet connection for them to have access beyond the power hub?

They wouldn’t use it much, since few characters wouldn’t want to go too far from their games, but should be enough for game characters to visit each other etc

DSS13
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DSS13

Jim and Conrad when you do other films like this can you do a round up talk about how the film used video game aspects in its story at the end. Like with the animation amount, Heroes duty’s player character, that the characters can see out of the cabinet to the real world and how the characters are limited to there programing. The talk about it was good but would be better at the end i think.

Also do you plan to do gamer (2009)

David Sayers
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David Sayers

I love Wreck-It Ralph… but to me the funniest thing about it is the power-cord based transit system is how my mother actually believes electricity works.

Jules
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Jules

I thought John C. Reilly was good as Ralph. Idk… i think since like steve brule and taledega nights/step brothers people have pinned him entirely as a comedy actor but I think he actually has a pretty good dramatic range.

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

I agree. Boogie Nights shows he’s capable of doing both drama and comedy at the same time.

Jules
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Jules

Still need to see, i was checking out his imdb earlier and forgot he has been in a lot of stuff, including another voice acting role in the english dub of the Studio Ghibli movie When Marnie Was There, and it is making me chuckle thinking of the persona of Steve Brule voice acting characters for a serious coming of age drama.

ENAY
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ENAY

Double Dragon, Super Mario and Tekken. I can’t wait!
Just 13 days to go until Double Dragon! 🙂

George
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George

I know! it’s so going to be so delicious. I can’t wait!

ENAY
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ENAY

Super Mario should be MINIMUM 2 hours 😉

Rafael R Piñero
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Well if video game theme movies are on offer, maybe you should cover Cloak and Dagger next.

Matrim
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Matrim

Fuck yeah!

WayWardNerd
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WayWardNerd

…but hey, that’s just a theory… a GAME theory! Thanks for watching.

able_to_think
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able_to_think

Maybe you touched on this (I haven’t listened yet, waiting to rewatch the movie) but Sonic and Bowser being in it has always bothered me. It breaks the movies logic. The idea is that they’re connected by the power cords at the arcade so it doesn’t make sense for characters from console games to be there.

Wolfie
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Wolfie

But Mario and Sonic were on arcades… hell, Mario started as an arcade game.

able_to_think
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able_to_think

Mario did but Bowser didn’t. He was introduced in Super Mario Bros for NES. Maybe they could have the Mario Kart arcade game but it’s a massive cabinet and it would compete with Sugar Rush. They could also have the Super Mario Bros arcade game that inspired Super Mario Bros 2 (The Lost Levels) but that was only released in Japan and it was made redundant when they released the NES one so it’s probably pretty rare on top of being an import.

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

Super Mario Bros. appeared in PlayChoice machines too.

Brotown
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Brotown

There’s a barcade here in Henderson, Nevada (suburbs outside of vegas) that has a bunch of cabinets as well as a projector screen with four player mario kart hooked up. Also, personal tv’s with Halo as an option so long as youre drinking/eating/running a tab. Theyre all hooked up to some similar power source eventually. Use that as your link if need be 😉

BAH!
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BAH!

Bowser (or his character sprite, at least) is in the Super Mario Bros. arcade game.

MechaSlinky
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MechaSlinky
ENAY
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ENAY

There were two Sonic arcade games, Sonic The Fighters and that roller ball 3 player one that was like Marble Madness. As far as I know Robotnik is in both of those games.
And yeah Lara Croft has no arcade game.

VeryImportantQuestion
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VeryImportantQuestion
I’d argue that Wreck-It Ralph is actually about realising that the metrics by which people determine success are wrong. Ralph’s chasing the medal throughout the film because everyone around him has always reinforced that that’s the only way you can be a success. When you take a step back and look at it however, it’s got him stuck on a path he has no real passion for, not really thinking about what he’s going to do after getting the medal because it’s the medal itself that everyone’s always placed importance on, and he’s come out the other side with no… Read more »
Elbows for Knees
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Elbows for Knees
Bah! CLEARLY, Jim, you just don’t understand how the larger world of Wreck it Ralph works. Perhaps you are simply to HANDSOME and LIKABLE to understand the convoluted and unnecessary fan theory I just pulled out of my ASS, concerning how the denizens of that particular arcade have knowledge of other video game characters, including those that never could have been featured in a game at that arcade and those from console games. As the characters in the games are the product of the game’s code, their existence predates their game’s delivery to an arcade, they also must have existed… Read more »
VeryImportantQuestion
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VeryImportantQuestion

I just assumed that if they could get from the arcade cabinets to the outlet they could get from the outlet to the power grid and subsequently every connected home console.

Kyle Pierce
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Kyle Pierce

Crony Capitalism, also known as “The ‘murican way”.

Chris
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Chris

Hey guys, loved the podcast this week. Was laughing all the way to work.

Someone already asked below, but I would love for your guys to do an episode on Scott Pilgrim vs The World since it is so heavily influenced by games. By extension you could also talk about the comic but that might need a whole separate episode given how much it diverges.

Bob Knee
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Bob Knee

What really frustrates me is people defending The Lego Movie, aka Ayn Rand Repackaged.

WayWardNerd
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WayWardNerd

That’s really only a problem if you don’t like Ayn Rand lol.

Orion Burns
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Orion Burns

Isn’t the moral of The Lego Movie that everyone is special, and that’s awesome? That seems to me to be the total opposite of Randian belief.

I mean, Lord Business would be the hero of an Ayn Rand novel.

OctopussGrift
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OctopussGrift

Ya, I feel like the plot involving the dad and the kid ended up having a sharing is good message. I don’t see the Rand comparison.

gaydad69
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//

George
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George

It’s not just Jim’s people that have a monarch. Don’t forget in Canada we also have a monarchy…Same person of course…but its still an independent institution. lol

😉

Craig Rigby
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Craig Rigby

thats what we let you think 😉

George
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George

No, that’s the Australians…lol

ConradZimmerman
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ConradZimmerman

Yeah, that’ll probably happen. I never know how I feel about that film.

Orion Burns
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Orion Burns

I think the trick to Scott Pilgrim is that it’s not actually about video games, but rather it’s a commentary on the different facets of video game culture.

That’s my interpretation, at least.

MechaSlinky
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MechaSlinky

I always just felt it utilized some of the language of video game culture to frame its narrative about things that have no direct connection to video games.

George
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George

I remember that Bryan Lee-Omalley once said that his inspiration for it was, “If real life were Street Fighter.”

WayWardNerd
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WayWardNerd

My main problem with the movie is it feels like its going at breakneck speeds since its smashing 6 volumes of a comic into one movie.

David Sayers
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David Sayers

If you wanted one on the opposite end of the quality spectrum from Wreck-it/Scott Pilgrim, you could do Gamer? 😛

MechaSlinky
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MechaSlinky

The best part of that movie is when Dexter from Dexter does a song and dance number completely out of nowhere. By best part, I mean the only watchable part.

galactix100
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galactix100

Does video game themed films include documentaries like that one about indie games that I can’t remember the name of?

Craig Rigby
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Craig Rigby
you have a valid argument about it being about conforming, but i think its more like frozen. its about the character becoming more comfortable about being who he is. after all just because hes a bad guy, that doesnt mean hes a bad guy. the people in his game didnt hate him just cause of his place in the game, he couldnt even walk through a door without destroying a wall, hes clumsy and overpowered…doesnt make for a good house party guest. and they DO have valid reason for sticking to their own games. they also found a way to… Read more »
Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Wreck-It Ralph is Taxi Driver.

Knight_Blazer
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Knight_Blazer

I kind of get the NPCs not liking Ralph. Think of the police in real life. Most people understand that they are necessary but will still call them an asshole for giving them a speeding ticket.

marbeltoast
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marbeltoast

I gotta disagree with the Ralph side of the disenfranchising. He got what he wanted; he was respected by the nicelanders. Sure, he still lives in the dump, but he never actually complained about that; he says in the monolouge that what he really wants is a piece of cake once in a while.

WayWardNerd
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WayWardNerd
Yeah, I go by the motivations of the character. He really wanted to be respected and to belong. The leaving his station and becoming a “hero” was just a means that ultimately wouldn’t have worked out since that wouldn’t have changed the way the nicelanders viewed him. They would have essentially just put up with him living there because he won a bet and I don’t feel like that would have actually made him happy. Plus, he never mentioned he disliked the actual role/job of wrecking buildings. If he mentioned he had an opposing dream to have some other kind… Read more »
Steamed Boot
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Steamed Boot

Yeah, I feel like Jim and Conrad missed something here in their discussion. There does seem to be a Myth of Sisyphus thing going on in this film. It makes sense as it’s thematically relevant: https://youtu.be/KI25easQs2k

WayWardNerd
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WayWardNerd

I thank you for linking this video. Now, I have a new youtube series to watch.

Leon the Brave
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Leon the Brave

If Jim was a Wreck-It Ralph character, he would be Poundin’-It Jim.

Za_Docta
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Za_Docta

Pounding it?
Pounding it?
Pounding it?

levitatingspleen
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levitatingspleen

I’m gonna POUND it!