The Year Of The Loot Box (The Jimquisition)

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This is the year loot boxes came to gaming in a big way.

Encouraged by Overwatch, “AAA” publishers went all-in on destroying their games in the name of easy money.

And no, Blizzard, you’re not special. You deserve as much blame as EA, Activision, Ubisoft, 2K Games, WB, and Microsoft.

In fact, j’accuse!

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PhoenixShi
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PhoenixShi
About a month ago you did a Jimquisition on “How To Not F2P Like A Total Wanker” where Warframe was touted as an example of a game doing F2P right. Then right near the start of this one you brought up the real money auction house Diablo III **used** to have as something that should be looked at with scorn, when Warframe has for years had a real money player trading economy, and did other such BS as well, like loot boxes. Do please be consistent. Back before mobile gaming was a thing a growing trend In PC “free to… Read more »
Chris
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It’s almost like he’s repeatedly said that practices that are acceptable in Free to Play games aren’t acceptable when the game has a 60 dollar+ upfront price tag. Because when you play a F2P game you are acknowledging that part of what you are ‘paying’ for the game is the potentially manipulative sales techniques that will be used to try to get you to buy additional content or unlocks or loot boxes or whatever. That doesn’t excuse it in all cases, gambling in F2P and mobile games is still a problem, but it’s an inherently different situation than when ‘AAA’… Read more »
Jiryn
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Jiryn

Logged in specifically so I could upvote this!

PhoenixShi
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PhoenixShi
It’s almost like you have never heard of buy to play games, and don’t know the difference between a game provided as a service, and games that just have optional online play. Service based games are those that can ONLY be played through the given service, games that just have optional online play can work just fine when not connected to any outside service. Then service based games can be released as free to play, buy to play, and pay to play. Pay to play is very rare these days, but there are certainly some out there that prefer buy… Read more »
Chris
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Ah, sorry, thought you were attempting to make an argument in good faith, not rambling incoherently because the mean man didn’t like a game you did and therefore all of his opinions ever are bad and biased. My mistake, I’ll stop engaging now. Enjoy your ranting.

Денис Фролов
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Warframe never had lootboxes in any form. In Warframe you can aquire premium currency for free, by trading items with other players. In Warframe almost everything can (and many players will tell you should) be aquired in-game. In Warframe, the only thing specifically locked behind paywall is amount of weapon and frame slots – which are dirt cheap, are given to you with level-ups, and, well, refer to point about trading. Finally, Warframe regularly gives you premium currency discounts – whiel obviously manipulative, it still make the thing much cheaper. Also, you know, it’s a F2P game. Which can, surprisingly,… Read more »
malcom young
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malcom young

I’m curious about one little thing. How disney would react ?

Imo it would be better to target disney because they care about what parents thinks about them, if you just show that disney is letting EA creating a gambling machine for kids with their IP, they can act and it can reach the mainstream media.
Disney has full control of their IPs and it can be useful to ask them what they think about that kind of behavior.

Just my two cents.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

I would assume they are entirely on board with it when Disney bought Lucasfilm they handed the Stars Wars license to EA for them to develop Star Wars video games. If they have full control of their IP’s that would mean they are signing off on what EA are doing.

malcom young
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malcom young
It’s the main reason why i think Disney should be asked because, contrary to EA, Disney has a reputation they must keep good. So if someone begin to ask Disney why they let this kind of behavior happening for their products, it could push EA to make changes. We should hit where it hurts, for EA it’s money, for Disney it’s reputation. It’s only when the mainstream media will begin to ask questions why disney let a gambling machine be put in the hands of kids that things will change and i saw nobody on the net asking this kind… Read more »
leafty
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leafty

We should start calling this crap “triple pay” games instead of “triple A”. Pay for the game, pay for the season pass, pay for the loot. And if you still have money left you can even pay for the collector’s edition. Oh I almost forget the preorder crap that allows you to spread the triple pay experience for prolonged “p(l)ayer engagement”.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Completely unrelated to this video: #gambling

(Note: This is a topical reference and may not be valid even hours from now. Reader discretion is advised.)

Coughee
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Coughee

You know… this Twitter hashtag actually convinced me to not spend money on tickets to SWVIII.
Thanks, man.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Live to serve. Serve to live. Something something dystopia.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

What is the connection there?

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

The first line is genuine, The second two are making fun of the current state of consumerism and the game industry. I just realized you aren’t talking to me.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

Yup, was wondering about the SW thing.

Your lines I got.

Natalie
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Natalie

It’s amusingly ironic that the terminology that execs use to describe their targets harks back to a practice that is now illegal across the globe because it was unethical: Whaling.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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Ho shit…I totally forgot that online passes were a thing! That was a whole crock of cunconuts at the time, especially to my innocent game loving self. Who would’ve funk that was only the tippiest tip of the assburg.

Polishfury5000
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So my previous comment got deleted, or never made it past moderation. Was it because it had a link? The link was to a particularly entertaining Reddit thread where EA was making history with the most downvotes comment ever (currently -645k) defending their choice to gate off heroes in Battlefront2. Heroes like Darth Vader or Luke would cost players 60k credits, which equated to about 40 hours of play time if people didn’t want to use lootboxes. EA’s excuse is that they wanted people to feel accomplished when they unlocked the heroes. Since the massive backlash EA caved and dropped… Read more »
Justin McDaniel
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Just a heads up, yeah all comments with links get deleted. Sorry about that. We’ve had WAY too much trouble in the past with spam accounts constantly linking to things, so now all links get automatically deleted. Best to do what you just did and point people in the right direction.

Polishfury5000
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Good to know, thank you for the info. Fair enough to have a no tolerance policy if it keeps the crap out.

Jiryn
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Jiryn

I hope I didn’t get in trouble referencing the CNBC Wallstreet article.
I just found the information inside quite interesting.

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Even BBC News reported on the Battlefront 2 backlash today

Polishfury5000
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It’s really blowing up. I just saw there’s reports that EA removed their “refund button” on Origin, people have to call their customer support to cancel pre-orders at the moment. Maybe to stem the tide of cancels, or maybe there’s so many cancels that’s it’s bogging down the site. I’m betting on the former. Hell, this could be a good candidate for a midweek JQ, cause this is getting weird. It’s also been found out that along with a 75% reduction in hero costs, EA is also reducing rewards earned by 75% too. It’s a little up in the air… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Sellers are warning each other away from selling copies of the physical release, and encouraging anyone who purchased from distributors to return for a refund or hold off on listing their stock until the controversy calms down.

We may have finally hit EA where it hurts, and all it took was a backlash of almost a million people and literal paying to win in a major mainstream release.

Nitrium
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Nitrium

I gather from forums there has NEVER been a refund button for pre-orders on Origin. So possibly that’s Fake News. With stories that are metastasising this quickly, you have to take EVERYTHING you read with a grain of salt.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

Oh snap. Ontop of this, I know there’s been a Petition to Parliament passed around to discuss the idea of things like Loot Boxes.

The litigation is coming…at least, if you live in the UK.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Aye because the Tories are dead set against the exploitation of the public by colossal international conglomerates. That and this government couldn’t organise a piss up in a pub so I doubt that anything will happen.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

…Our Government’s a real Comedy Act, isn’t it? :3

Cobra_IronFang
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Cobra_IronFang

Kinda reminds me of that Spitting Image show from way way back.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

In a macabre way yes.

Anton
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Anton

As someone currently residing in the states, I envy you.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

At least your’s is somewhat aware of the issue.

Everywhere else seems to still be in the “what’s a video games?”-phase.

Dizzy Bat
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Dizzy Bat

On the whole virtual currency thing (Not loot boxes) isn’t it a way to avoid taxes? Like selling a ‘thing’ gets hit with a bunch of taxes, but converting a currency and then selling a ‘thing’ doesn’t get hit with the taxes.

I vaguely remember HotS having that issue, single items were absurdly expensive but bought outright with cash, when they swapped to a currency most things dropped significantly in price.

Of course they also added loot boxes at that time.

Terry-Osaurusus Hex XI
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You could be onto something there. That’s a fairly interesting point.

Gorantharon
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Gorantharon

Yeah, one of the ways companies avoid returns on in game purchases is that you never technically bought them.

What you bought was the in game currency, but exchanging that for other virtual goods is a fully in game transaction that doesn’t follow the same laws.

If you don’t recieve the in game currency, that’s a problem with the purchase, same as in any store, but virtual item for virtual item is not.

Guest_aotf
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Guest_aotf
So what can we do about this? Gaming media, youtube influencers… Keep talking about this. Keep trashing, criticising. Keep exposing them for all the bs. Reviewers I wish reviewers implement review scores where a full priced game with microtransactions gets an automatic -10% (no matter how good the game is), loot boxes gets a further -10% no matter what. Another 10% depending on how badly it is implemented. So the max this game can get is 70%. Gamers 1) Criticise, trash ALL companies doing it no matter which company or game. I like naughty dog and last of us but… Read more »
Chungus
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Chungus

The problem is getting people to DO those things. We been at the same song and dance for years now and you already seen the results.

Guest_aotf
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Guest_aotf

I think we still need to fight for it. I post regularly on gaming forums. I talk to casual and hardcore gamers try to get them to join the fight.
Keep asking people defending/damage controlling this “how are microtransactions/lootbox in a full price game good for gaming”.

The downvotes on that reddit post shows that gamers are still there fighting for gaming…

qlum
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qlum
I personally do not think lootboxes in Overwatch are that bad and here is why: First of all yes the game is a full priced game however unlike pretty much every other game from a major publisher released at around the same time It does not include any other dlc, no content locked behind a paywall no future dlc so really the only thing there is the lootboxes. The game gets supported for quite some time and the lootboxes give blizzard a financial incentive to keep on improving the game and keeping the player base. This is for a primarily… Read more »
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Chris
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Hi again Michael. So not even waiting for a new thread to create a new alt now? Please take a hint and stop.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I think Justin is really getting on his nerves. The posts are starting to get more angry and passionate, as well as more incomprehensible.

Chris
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I don’t think he notices or cares about the bans. The sad thing is there is no point in having rules if you have someone like this who just straight up does not care if they get punished and does not ever see that what they’re doing is wrong. He still claims he has no idea why he was banned the last several times and tried to claim it was all a misunderstanding from him being confused about how the comments system works. He will not ever accept any responsibility for his actions. I think his bad mood is because… Read more »
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Chris
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So to be clear, do you support Total Biscuit coming to the defense of the people threatening and harassing Battlefront 2 devs? Before you get banned again I’m curious your take on his telling people like Jim not to acknowledge or call out the toxic and disgusting and misogynist parts of gamer culture.

Sleepy Will
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Sleepy Will
You know what… I promised myself a couple of years ago that I wouldn’t buy games until I was ready to play them, to help stem the tide of unplayed games in my library, and it had a quite pleasent side effect. Far from feeling like I had missed out, far from feeling like any game would be spoiled by the time I got around to it – instead, I found that plenty of games that would have been purchased by me – well once they hype engine died down, I just didn’t care any more. Sure, I could have… Read more »
Coughee
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Coughee

I actually “bought” (well, I paid money for beta access) Dauntless for that very reason. It’s especially crazy that they removed loot boxes form their model despite being a free to play game, which is basically a free pass. Will probably end up buying MH World early as well due to them not having loot boxes.

Shaded Spriter
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With the last few months of shit – I have decided not to buy any big publisher* game unless I can pay once and get everything. Any game with micro-transactions/loot boxes are now automatically just not going to get it since that makes that impossible. This includes stuff like Legend of Zelda: Seven out of Ten (Saving for a switch in the new year) -I am only going to get it when there is a version released with the DLC included at the base price. I bought Sniper Elite III Ultimate Edition a few weeks ago – £30 full game… Read more »
TheOneWhoSucks
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TheOneWhoSucks
Once or twice, I’ve defended Blizzard on this very site. Not because “it’s just cosmetic,” as I’m one of the addictive personalities this bullshit preys on, but because microtransactions didn’t come to Blizzard properties until after the merge and I saw where the blame really should have been directed. That said, I’ve been disappointed in Blizzard more than any other company in the gaming industry for quite some time because of this very subject. The games that I’ve had my interest in killed because of lootboxes and microtransactions in the last few months is staggering, and incredibly sad. I’m considering… Read more »
Gorantharon
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Gorantharon
Nintendo are sadly also doing some stupid shit. Season passes are one thing, with them currently often being at least good value, but the DLC for the Fire Emblem is more than the game. They are slowly testing the waters again on how much they can nickle and dime you. On the other hand they did reign in Ubisoft a bit, as Mario Rabbits was a decent package, even if it’s obvious that some DLC content was at least already developed while they made the game. At least Mario Odyssey is everything such a game should be and just all… Read more »
Alex Brown
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That should’ve been “No benefit and all doubt.”

Seriously though, I don’t get why people think that the Normandy beach loot box bullshit is being held separately from the patent Activision filed. It is matchmaking you into a lobby specifically there for you to watch other people open loot boxes and hopefully inspire you to get in on that. It is 100% specifically the thing they said wasn’t implemented in any f their games.

Coughee
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Coughee

What I really don’t understand is that people are genuinely defending the Normandy Beach Boxes.

saynotogamblingingames
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saynotogamblingingames

Excellent work jim…nailed it.

silvermoon
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saynotogamblingingames
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saynotogamblingingames

This

Chris
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Welcome back Michael, still having trouble with the concept of being banned and repeatedly asked not to come back?

And buying Battlefront 2, for any reason, makes you part of the problem no matter how much you brag about only playing the campaign. You still gave EA money to support their destruction of studios in service of trying to make gambling games to prey on children and addicts with.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I didn’t wanna say it, but i knew it as soon as I saw the name. I think he has another alt stashed away for when this one goes too, I saw a eerily similar posting name and syntax a few articles back.

Anton
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Anton

Now, now, we can’t be sure until he says “Totalbiscuit”

Or we can post something like “ACM was a terrible game”. His brain will explode if he doesn’t leave an essay-length reply.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

I really don’t know if I have the patience to wait 5 minutes.

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Call either Totalbiscuit or Yatzhee self-important wankers and check back in about 30 seconds.

AustinSJ
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AustinSJ

ACM?

AustinSJ
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AustinSJ

Oh Aliens

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

Well he is now convinced that if Jim had covered Homefront Revolution in the format he uses now he wouldn’t think it is an an abomination. One wonders if he thinks that of Colonial Marines as well

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

It was kind of obvious when he failed to pick up on an in joke from Spin off Doctors.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

Wait…this guy was the spammer again? Not the other guy a few posts down? O_O

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

Just like Microtransactions and Lootboxes, diamond has made himself so pervasive that not even the most vigilant can remove him from their discussions and entertainment.

Anton
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Anton

He could start a microtransaction business here. For $5, he stops posting for 15 minutes. If we all pitch in for a $80 “Deluxe Edition Article” package, he won’t comment on it at all! … of course, he’ll be back for the next one.

InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

If we buy the $100 Gold Edition Article, he deletes that particular account entirely and doesn’t post for 1 day on any article. See you guys tomorrow!

Galactix100
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Galactix100

£20 season pass which gives us the names of at least 2 of the spare accounts he has lying around for later use.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

I guess that’s £10 per User Name, yes? Or £100 for ten User Names?

Seems too generous a cost by Industry Standards :3

Galactix100
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Galactix100

Well after every 2 names it becomes a sequel and as such the next 2 will have their own season pass. Plus in my experience most season passes are about £20 a go.

Nitrium
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Nitrium

As I said earlier, it’s internet Whac-A-Mole. He can’t stop, won’t stop (much like Val Kilmer eating Pringles 😉 ).

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
I talked about this in the singleplayer topic a little while ago, but again, EA has fucked with one of my favorite developers. Bioware. Mass Effect 3 multiplayer was a success, but more important to EA, selling the cards was a success. So add a crappy, tacked on multiplayer to DAI, with lootboxes. Next, get the head Bioware team working on a Destiny knockoff, and shunt the biggest franchise, ME, to a secondary studio. Mandate multiplayer, despite the development of the singleplayer going poorly. When Andromeda only managed to make “some” profit, kill singleplayer dlc (with huge plot threads dangling),… Read more »
Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

I hate the loot boxes in Overwatch, I used to love playing it with my friends and do love it for giving me Symmetra, the first time I could play as a badarse autistic woman that wasn’t a stereotype and was treated like an equal along with the other heroes.

But I’ve felt so burned out on it and part of it now is because of the loot boxes (along with just getting rid of modes I like CTF and 1v1 elimination).

Coughee
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Coughee
“just getting rid of modes I like CTF” Little bit off topic from what you were posting, but out of all the things in the push for “games as services” this is the shit that scares me the most – which is actually all the more bizarre when you consider just how insane everything else that comes with that title already is. Between that and Siege actively removing maps from the game, there doesn’t seem to be any sort of sanctity in one’s purchase anymore as game companies can actually dictate what you are and aren’t allowed to play or… Read more »
Greene Scott
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Greene Scott
Question, who was the company that popularized the idea of making people grind in order to get that you can just buy for real money and fake currency in games bought with real money? Both I remember were their before lootboxes and used by those don’t use them like Capcom and the sheer amount of DLC in Street Fighter V needing to grind for them. Also, I know this is coming to fighting games, Tekken is ripe for it giving how you unlock costumes for it and how many fans tell me I shouldn’t care about them because “their just… Read more »
Greene Scott
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Greene Scott

Oh wait, For Honor already had them didn’t they?

Hugrid
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Hugrid

Technically it was Second Life that originally popularised the idea of in-game money being buyable with cash.

But it was the unofficial goldfarming economy in World of Warcraft that REALLY showed that the “pay-to-not-grind” concept could be huge, if it was built to prey upon the vulnerable – WoW was amazing at hooking people with addictive personalities with its grindy gameplay and of course random loot drops so a sub-culture of basically criminals existed who’d sell WoW gold for real money to people who wanted to skip the most tedious in-game grind and focus solely on the random loot drop grind.

Hugrid
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Hugrid

I also feel a shout out should be made to Japan’s Pachinko Palours, where the deal is you can exchange pachinko balls you “win” for prizes or “tokens” because gambling for money is illegal in japan.

However, down the street from any pachinko place there’s a Legitimate Businessman With Interesting Tattoos who will exchange “tokens” for money. Thus is gambling for money illegal in Japan.

Basically while fucKonami left the AAA gaming industry for pachinko, the rest of the AAA gaming industry decided to just become pachinko.

R.M.Renfield
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Glorious. I love seeing Jim go on all out attack. The points are valid, the insults hilarious, sadly though, the prognosis is depressing. Gaming is now like the Event Horizon, trying to drag us into its nightmare world. In relation to the whales, who I have cursed many times, being victims, I have actually been wondering myself if a lot of people who buy games are particularly susceptible to these kind of techniques. Maybe the very imagination and desire for fantasy that allows you to really get into games makes the games consumer more pliable. People feel they have to… Read more »
HelixShade
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HelixShade
It’s funny you mention Team Fortress 2, since the Crates and Cases (especially the cases right now) are not generally well liked, joining the long list of bugbears like Halloween Only Cosmetics and AutoBalance. To quote people smarter and cleverer than me – “Much of anything to do with the Mann Co. Store, or the Mann Co. Supply Crates in general. Given that many of the items are seen as grossly overpriced (especially Paint, Name Tags and Keys, given what they actually do), a large number of people would simply ignore the store… if items from the store weren’t blatantly… Read more »
Riuny
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In my opinion, most “AAA” game companies have gone beyond redemption a long ass time ago. Just like Jim says, this bubble will keep expending until it bursts and we all know that those who sit on top of this bloated food chain don’t give two-shits about whether it bursts or not. Even if it bursts, they can just withdraw all of their money and find another quick cash-grab. The poor fuckers who work as low-end employees are the ones who will be laid-off in that process. (Capitalism in a nutshell) Anyway I don’t think any of this will ever… Read more »
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS
Back before Fortnite ruined a 3 year gaming group by lying about its freeness on PS4, the same person who took his toys and went home forever was a huge Overwatch fanboy. He coerced the group into buying the game, which was only hard as far a I was concerned because the INTERNET had spoken and it was the greatest thing ever. I see it’s a competitive shooter. I don’t play them on principle because humans are erratic and unpredictable, and I’m slow and methodical. They tell me it’s all about strategy, and the shooting is a means to an… Read more »
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InfamousDS
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It isn’t like single player is in a much better place right now, since lootboxes are pervasive there as well. Between bland, buggy, and half-baked open worlds and Ubisoft as a whole copy-pasting the same formula to all game genres, SP may not be dead but it is very weak in the AAA space. We are very lucky to have what we got before this trend sunk its teeth in. I see 2018 as more Shadow of War and Assassin’s Creed-clones, as we explore an empty wasteland collecting loot and doing nebulous content for the sake of it as a… Read more »
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Chris
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Micheal, we all know this, there’s no reason to keep saying it. Especially when Justin has specifically told you you are no longer welcome to spam these comment threads.

Sleepy Will
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Sleepy Will

-1 “Likes” – there’s two more sock puppets out there!

HelixShade
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HelixShade

Cut off one head, and two take it’s place :3

Chris
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Blizzard definitely does deserve the blame for this trend, no matter how many games they made in the past that we may like and want to defend them for. The worst part is that this is also basically going to devour Blizzard the way TF2 ate Valve and make sure we never get another new Valve game unless it’s another gambling game now that they’ve had a taste of this kind of money. The only solution at this point is to stop buying these games. Not stop buying the loot boxes, stop buying any game that uses these predatory practices.… Read more »
Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
Shadow of War was a Must Have game for me. Maybe I would have waited for a price drop, but I was definitely buying that game. Then lootboxes. I thought, “ok, I just won’t buy lootboxes, it doesn’t effect me.” Then I saw critic reviews, and user reviews, saying that Act 4 was an utter grind, and how disposable your Orcs were. So no, I won’t buy SoW. Not that I’m some paragon of virtue. I can almost guarantee Anthem will have lootboxes, despite Bioware’s recent attempt to deflect. And there’s a good chance I’ll buy Anthem, anyway.
InfamousDS
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InfamousDS

And that, my friend, means you are part of the problem. Apathy is not a substitute for action, even though it isn’t active contribution to the problem.

Chris
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Good for you on Shadow of War, I was looking forward to that to until the lootbox shit started coming to light with it. But if EA goes ahead and…well, EAs all over Anthem don’t buy it either. The only thing that will stop these publishers is a combination of seeing the backlash and people actually following through and not buying these games, the only thing they understand right now is that as mad as people are they are still buying Shadow of War and Battlefront 2 and Call of Duty and therefore there are no consequences for their greed… Read more »
HelixShade
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HelixShade

I believe Anthem is what we call a “Catch 22”. If we buy it, we’ll be supporting these terrible Business Practices. If we don’t, EA may very well shutter BioWare.

Anton
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Anton

It’s about time. Bioware is nothing but a name now. And if EA shutters them, that’s one less hook they can lure people with.

Arella Jardin
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Arella Jardin
I still thought Dragon Age Inquisition was a good game, despite the added multiplayer. I remember the devs going out of their way to address criticisms players had of the two previous games, even if they did overcompensate on irrelevant size. Since DAI, we’ve had ME Andromeda, which could have been great, but development was screwed up in various ways. And Anthem is their next project. So I do t think there’s enough bad games to say the Bioware we knew is irreversibly gone. I’m keeping my eye on DA4, I think that’ll be a good test for them.
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Chris
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Bioware doesn’t exist, not in the form we remember or want to maintain. Anyone still there from the old days has been so beaten down by working at an EA content factory pumping out multiplayer loot boxes for Mass Effect that there’s no real hope of them turning back into Bioware from the old RPG days. For that you have to follow the devs who left to other companies or the companies making spiritual successors to those kinds of games. There is no reason to keep buying games that EA has branded as being by BIoware, that’s how publishers trick… Read more »
HelixShade
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HelixShade

As demonstrated by Visceral. So, what do I engrave on BioWare’s Tombstone?

Anton
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Anton

“I’m Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite tomb on the Citadel”

drownedsummer
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drownedsummer

People complained bitterly about the closure of LucasArts even though the LucasArts they were fondly remembering ceased to exist several years before the studio was closed.

Deena
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Deena

So? BioWare hasn’t been BioWare for a long, long time now. Most of the talent from the studio’s heyday is gone. No big loss.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

Psst. Not bought a Big Publisher game that wasn’t particularly ancient since Mass Effect 3. I’m mostly pointing out nobody wants another studio shuttering so soon after Visceral just got consumed and Respawn signed their own death warrant.

Chris
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But nothing is going to prevent that. The industry is going to crash unless they reform these business practices, we’ve already already seen this play out in the mobile market where the only people left making money are a handful of people cloning the handful of games that manage to hook gambling addicts and everyone else has abandoned mobile to shovel ware and obvious Russian scam artists. If the choice is between seeing more husks of former studios close or setting the whole industry collapse if much rather see the shambling corpse that was once Bioware put down to send… Read more »
newhorizon
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newhorizon

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Chris
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Thank you for your input Michael.

Anton
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Anton

What is your problem?

HelixShade
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HelixShade

I’m confused – I’ve not been downvoting your comments en masse if that’s what you mean. Until now, I haven’t touched this thread O_O

Actually, contrary to that, I gave you a +1 above that seems to no longer be there O_O

Anton
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Anton

I was addressing Michael’s latest sock puppet, sorry for the confusion.

HelixShade
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HelixShade

No problems. That said…oh god, not again -_-

Gitaxian
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Gitaxian
It’s pretty easy to forget that the mobile market wasn’t always a mess of microtransactions like it is now. Anyone remember Infinity Blade or Superbrothers: Sword and Sworcery? Games like those simply ceased to exist because Clash of Clans knockoffs are simply more profitable. The “AAA” market is headed in exactly the same direction. I expect Battlefront 2 to sell incredibly well despite the backlash, and the more publishers realize that the worse games will get. Don’t think we’ve hit the bottom yet either. As Reality Clash amply demonstrated, you don’t even need a shitty half-assed game to make millions… Read more »
MuddyScarecrow
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Of course it’s gonna sell. It has STAR WARS in the title. That’s probably the worst thing about EA owning that property for game making purposes. They can do whatever slimy thing they want to the games and people will still buy them because Star Wars is just that powerful of a name. Let’s not forget that the prequels were NOT box office bombs despite their reviews.

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