Tonight In Overwatch Loot Boxes

I’ve already explained why I think Overwatch‘s loot system is absolutely terrible. You’re welcome to agree or disagree (and many of you have been very vocal either way) but there’s one thing that cannot be denied, one universal truth that you must acknowledge.

I have the shittest fucking luck with these wretched things.

The header image is a collection of wet garbage that I obtained last week, but tonight was simply incredible. Three loot boxes painstakingly unlocked through play – three piles of complete toss.

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So this was the first disappointment of the night. There’s a reason I call Overwatch‘s cuboid extinguishers of hope Spray Boxes, and you’re looking at it.

Just let your eyes drink in this worthless filth. Three sprays and a stupid profile logo that does absolutely fuck-all. They’re not even good sprays, either. They look like shit.

This is probably the worst Loot Box anybody’s ever had.

Still, there’s always next time, huh? It could take an hour if things go bad, but it’ll surely be worth it.

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NOPE!

Not a skin in sight, but it makes up for that with another useless fucking icon for my stupid fucking profile and TWO voice lines. Imagine if someone had paid for this box. Paid for a jpeg and a couple of mp3s.

Oh, and currency. A tiny amount of currency that shouldn’t even be in these stupid trash baskets.

It was at this point that I decided I’d write an overly dramatic article about the evening’s unlocks if the next Loot Box sucked.

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Oh huh, the next Loot Box sucked!

At the VERY least we got a skin out of the bargain, though I hesitate to call the more common low-effort recolors “skins” of any sort.

Also it’s for Widowmaker, a character I never play.

BUT HEY AT LEAST I’VE GOT TWO NEW SPRAYS SORRY I MEAN ONE NEW SPRAY BECAUSE I GOT A DUPLICATE!

AT LEAST I GOT FIVE COINS FROM THE DUPLICATE HA HA WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE ONE DAY!

If you think I’m flying off the handle just because I got three worthless unlocks in a row, please bear in mind that this is what nearly ALL of the shitting things have looked like for me since I started playing.

I’m level 33 now. That’s 33 rolls of the dice, and so far I’ve managed to uncover one single “legendary” skin for D.Va.

Beyond that, I’ve got a handful of the palette swap skins – and I mean a laughably small amount- with the rest being sprays and voice lines. Mostly sprays, because these are Spray Boxes.

Even if I was inclined to purchase microtransactions for premium games, I’d never consider doing it for this game. Not with such clumps of complete and utter wank being tossed before me like a fistful of severed dicks.

Anyway, that mildly annoyed me tonight.

Norbert
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Norbert

I’m lvl 75 and mostly got shit from it. Sprays,sprays and more sprays with the exception of skins once a month. Recently I got a legendary…gold. Yes a fucking legendary gold like god knows who would want that since duplicate sprays are everywhere. It’s nothing more but disappointment.

Zellder
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Zellder

level 45, got one legendary for a character i suck with and three uncommon, which i F###ing bought with coins!!! i got all the sprays and voice lines in the first 20 loot boxes. I DON’T NEED MORE. oh and with highlight reals i got two, FOR MEI WHO I SUCK WITH. and finely to add insult to injury during the recent Olympics event I’ve relay wanted one of the tracer skins, i have the american mccree one.

KILL ME
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KILL ME

Yes, hands down loot boxes are rigged. Last night I crafted Stonehardt. Guess which skin I got out of a box 2 level ups later? The one I just crafted, of course. Clearly an attempt to get me frustrated and spending money. Very shady, Blizzard.

Stenly Järnefelt
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Stenly Järnefelt

I know your pain Jim.

miza
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miza

No complaints here. I’m level 28 and have gotten 3 legendaries, the first of which was on my first roll. I’ve also gotten a decent amount of currency. emotes, color palette swaps. etc. Also, I like the profile pics and sprays. *shrugs* I do feel your pain, though – my bf has the same kind of luck that you guys have, and we usually play together, so it seems a little unfair.
As for the duplicate sprays, I was disappointed that a dupe doesn’t make the SPRAY sparkly. That would be much better than 5 measly coins, imo.

Wildcard
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Wildcard

I’m not a fan of random loot crates at the best of times but Overwatch’s can be punishingly harsh even by loot crate standards.

How about a guaranteed skin in every box plus 3 other items and the pool it chooses from is anything you don’t already have? At least that way even a crappy drop is progress towards something good i.e. you’ve got it out of the way.

Maybe I’m just not corporate enough to design these cynical gambling traps…

nerdycanuck
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nerdycanuck

This has been my experience with the game. It’s incredibly frustrating. I even bought w small pack of loot boxes in the desperate hope I might actually end my streak of bad luck, but no dice. Won’t be making that mistake again.

Jon
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It’s definitely different for everyone — I’ve gotten super lucky with my loot boxes so far, so I won’t be surprised if every one I open from now on is literally a flaming pile of dog poop

Jiryn
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Jiryn

First box I opened was a Legendary Young Hanzo, and that’s about it.

The outlaw Jesse McCree
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The outlaw Jesse McCree

On average i think a legendary drops about every 10 boxes. However, you can be very lucky or very unlucky of course.

MadsBjoern1 ´
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MadsBjoern1 ´

Wait, REALLY?! I´M LEVEL 27 AND I HAVE 3 LEGENDARY SKINS!

Captiosus
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Holy shit! Stop the presses! I finally saw a Legendary again after 25 levels of white/white/blue/white garbage!

……….And it was a duplicate of a skin I got back in the early 20’s. (D.VA’s B.VA skin, specifically.)

Yep. Fuck this loot box BS.

chris
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chris

Meanwhile, last night I unlocked 2 boxes and each one contained a legendary skin. Guess I had a lucky night!
I agree that I’m usually disappointed with what comes out of the box, but when something rare does show up I’m usually ecstatic (even though one of the skins I got last night was the Sparrow skin for Genji, which I think is way less cool than even his default skin).
Anyway, Jim. Looks like you have some bad luck with these boxes. Maybe it’ll even out and you’ll have a stretch where you are unlocking 4 rare skins every box.

onlyspeakstruth
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onlyspeakstruth

I really don’t understand the butthurt. The stuff in loot boxes do absolutely nothing to change the gameplay.

mohamed abotgar
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mohamed abotgar

well video games are about visuals and gameplay, he is talking about visuals and not gameplay, if you don’t care about skins then there others that cares about them and would play the game a bit longer if they get cool outfits that makes a fun purpose to keep playing and for you to find other players to play with

KaoTeK
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KaoTeK

White white blue white.

Always white white blue white.

Man fuck these boxes.

Michael Wolfe
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You know… it’s sad that posts like this are the ones that bait all the extremists like moths to the flame; all cultishly bashing the one thing about something as if it’s some inhuman atrocity. As unpopular as more realistic perspectives are on this matter; I shall avoid such shit-posts in the future on the site, and am deleting all prior posts on this thread.

derek tomek
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Sorry that Jim made fun of your girlfriend. Hope you feel better soon!

Michael Wolfe
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That’s the best you can do?
Amateur.

ENAY
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ENAY

You are a moth to this flame.

Michael Wolfe
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I was someone trying to apply reasonable debate and perspective to the extremist conceit this topic propagates. If anything I was the bat trying to eat the moths going for the flame, but that’s a little extreme in and of itself. Try again?

Maluco
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Maluco
Y’know, in gambling situations it’s kind of supposed to be part of the deal that the odds are properly exposed to the player, however in randomised microtransaction schemes like this, it’s all buried underneath the code. There’s no effort to disclaim how random it genuinely is and that’s a problem, because there’s random and then there’s ‘random’. In XCOM aim chances are boosted on lower difficulties after successive misses, so as to get ‘random’ to play into peoples expectations. In black box gambling systems like this, you’re entirely beholden to the algorithm you can’t see, which could be weighted in… Read more »
Fixit
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Fixit

Gotta agree. I swore I’d never do a “gachapon” styled promotion ever again when I wasted like $40 failing to get the actual thing I wanted, which I wouldn’t have hesitated to buy if they just offered it directly. I hate how lockboxes and gachapon and similar systems just don’t tell you what your real chances are, and as such, how much these things are likely to actually cost you to get.

Michael Wolfe
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That may be because RNG systems in games are not legally defined as gambling, or by the Merriam-Webster dictionary for that matter. It’s how CCGs sell their card packs. Only difference between CCGs and Overwatch’s loot boxes is that the loot boxes only have cosmetics. Not to mention the fact you earn them just leveling up.

SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives
During Closed beta there was a Reddit article on play time to unlock everything (based on XP gain at that point) and you’d need roughly 1700 hours or so to unlock everything. Since then I believe they added more skins (as some characters didn’t even have legendary skins at that point). On a plus side, the game is fantastic and the longer you play the more currency you’ll accrue (simply due to duplicate chances increasing). I know this isn’t the popular opinion here but I’ve already gotten over 1400 currency in 49 levels and I find it silly to complain… Read more »
Oso Negro
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Oso Negro

I agree. And everyone saying I am level 28 or 40 even 50 blah blah blah. Wait till you reach level 100+ or 200+ the amount of duplicatesis sstaggeringand stupid. I got pprobably 50% of everything and Im level 210. This game is a shameless cash grab. Which is a shame for a premium game. The loot at the end of the day does fuck all. It’s mostly recolors till legendary . And now you can grind for the Competitive Points weapon. 300 pop. Lol. Fuck Blizzard

Captiosus
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If he showed me he had 25 boxes with nothing but sprays, player icons, and blue skin recolors, then I’d say he has a point.

You’ve pretty much described my last 21 levels. I’ve only gotten ONE epic item in the last 21 loot boxes. The rest has been blue intros, skins, and sprays/voice lines – a lot of which have been duplicates.

SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives
So, taking your levels as well as the levels I’ve seen in commercial, open beta, and 2 other friends, in 170 levels, there have been 11 legendary skins. In this (admittedly) small sample size, you are looking at around 1 legendary skin per 20 levels (this is once again rounding down as I’ve gotten much luckier than you or my other 2 friends who’ve played). While I can see why people would be upset at this, it is, once again, entirely cosmetic. You get to play the entire game, for life, without having to do anything aside from buying the… Read more »
Thea Queen
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Thea Queen
“Can be unlocked through play” what you meant to say was “can be unlocked possibly throughout the course of you playing for the rest of your life”. I’m a Mercy player, I love Mercy, I love her design, her kit, her voice, just love the character in general. That said, I have literally 40x more Mercy played than my next hero in line, yet I have skins for a bunch of people that aren’t Mercy. If it was old school “whoop this much ass with this hero and unlock something” then I would be fine with it, but I’m just… Read more »
SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives
At level 60, I’ve earned 1995 currency for the game. To buy 1 legendary skin and 1 of everything else (you get to pick your favorite), the total cost is 1625. What I’m trying to say is, with no extra money spent, I could’ve bought my favorite of everything for a character already without spending a cent from somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-60 loot boxes (levels). The point is that you’re being close-minded about how to acquire things in game and tunneling on something you personally don’t like. You also might want to try playing other stuff. Try out… Read more »
Thea Queen
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Thea Queen

Just came back to say there is literally never a time that Mercy isn’t useful (unless your team has 2 other supports). In the case of needing more damage she can either buff a dps or just use her own gun to provide the damage.

NotoriousBOB
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NotoriousBOB

WOW – I get to play the game I paid for…FOR LIFE?!?! WHAT A STEAL

SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives

Yep, buying a game makes the game developer your slave, and they must then supply endless content forever from that moment forward.
I like your simplification of what I said to entitled gamer salt. If you would like to actually discuss things that would be better for everyone (as I don’t think I’ve made my argument well throughout this thread to be honest), but somehow I doubt that’ll happen. Prove me wrong, please!

NotoriousBOB
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NotoriousBOB

Oh, I’m sorry if I came across as rude, I’m just genuinely shocked that I get to keep the game forever. I always thought I had to give my Final Fantasy III SNES cartridge back eventually (it’s the only other game I own since the others weren’t “lifers” as those of us in the know call them), but now I’m wondering if this whole “play it for life” thing applies to older games as well. If so, this is great news.

THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP, MAN!

SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives

As assumed, your reading comprehension is at the level that Trump supporter (which is a 4th grade reading level). I was talking about this in terms of cosmetic unlocks. I was talking about how people are COMPLAINING they have to spend time to unlock a game. I was telling them they had a complete gameplay (e.g. not cosmetic unlocks) experience and should care less about this than, say, gated story-crucial dlc or MP maps they’ll receive for free.
As predicted, you show you don’t understand what is being discussed. You have a great life, ignorance is bliss afterall.

NotoriousBOB
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NotoriousBOB

Mister, you sound real smart. Now, I may not be as fancy as those Trump supporters you’re bragging about with their 4th grade reading level and all, but if you could teach me how to be smart and have cool opinions like you, it’d be real keen.

Nutarama
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Nutarama
Diablo 3 and The Witcher 3 have had significant amounts of content added for no additional cost. I might accept small transactions for things like the legendary skins or full audio replacements, but unfortunately most of the stuff Overwatch offers is tedious and nigh-useless (sprays, icons, character poses), or lazy (recolor skins, single voice lines). To add insult to injury, you can’t even just buy anything, you have to get it through loot boxes like you’re playing some stupid mobile game. Heck, even even map packs are more acceptable than this loot crate bullshit. Oh, and 1700 hours is more… Read more »
SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives
Witcher 3 is made by CD Project Red, who own GOG, and like Valve, can use that revenue to prop up their development. Do you think companies like releasing unfinished, broken games? No, if they can pay for it, they will spend 5 years making a good game over releasing a turd (most of the time, exception: X-Men: Destiny and Silicon Knights). Diablo 3 also released in a completely broken state and if they didn’t wind back the RMAH in that, they could’ve seriously damaged the entire IP. They chose to go always-on with it (and SC2) for control, where… Read more »
derek tomek
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Wait, what in the actual fuck? Blizzard can (continue to) afford supporting Diablo 3 years after, releasing content for free and keeping the servers running, but it’s unfeasible for overwatch because…? They’ve had a model that has been working for them for years (as evidenced by their continued success), but all of a sudden periodic large scale expansions can’t work? They just have to delve into micro transactions? Fuck, how does that dick taste? I’m guessing vaguely reminiscent of fruity pebbles, what with the way everyone is salivating over it.

SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives

Wow, I’m sorry for whoever touched you. Please seek help as I think you might hurt someone if this level of aggression keeps up. I’d call a cab as you might road rage out!

Pvt Dirt
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Pvt Dirt
So it’s unfair to expect Blizzard to support their games with the profits from their other games, but it’s okay for CD Projekt Red and Valve to use GOG and Steam success? Blizzard is worth more than both of them combined by a huge margin. Diablo 3 still has content added well beyond “fixing” what was already a damn fine game. No other Blizzard game has relied on such a microtransaction system, and Overwatch is definitely not struggling to make sales. Nobody is arguing that the boxes break the game, but their very existence is an insult to people who… Read more »
SwimmingInOlives
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SwimmingInOlives
GOG and Steam success is not based on their own efforts but the efforts of having a store front that they then take 30% off of sales of other dev’s games, so not equivalent in my eyes, no. I would legitimately be shocked if Valve was smaller than Blizzard at this point in terms of financials. It’s not like they spend their money making games anymore (ZING!). Joking aside, my fundamental problem with this all is that it’s such a hardline stance to think that no game should be allowed to charge for entry and then be able to charge… Read more »
Yorioto
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I looked up the few numbers I could find for free on Blizzard and Valve. Activision/Blizzard makes about 3 billion dollars in profit (Hoovers), while Valve has an equity value of about 2.5 billion (Wikipedia). So in one year, A/B could buy Valve. Regardless, if you’ve followed the Jimquisition, you know that game companies have caused the increased cost of development themselves. This is because of constant stakeholder pressure, leading to yearly broken releases and microtransaction schemes. CD Projekt was able to keep its cost down on the Witcher series and make a profit at sales figures that Ubi, EA… Read more »
HisDivineOrder
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I’m glad you keep hammering on this topic. It’s frustrating for Blizzard to be so close to delivering a game that’s truly great only to kick out its legs for sheer greed’s sake.

Malidictus
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Malidictus
I’m not against paying for extra cosmetic stuff in video games, but Blizzard’s lockboxes are probably the worst implementation possible, I’d argue worse than Payday 2, arguably. At least in that game every single drop from a safe gives you a skin of some description. Blizzard seem to have filled their drop pools with something like 90% stuff they knew for a fact nobody would want, seemingly for the sole purpose of concocting a Skinner box. And yes, they did know that. There’s a reason skins cost 250-1000 and Highlight Intros cost 250 while a spray costs 25. That’s classic… Read more »
Jonathan Roth
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Jonathan Roth

Agreed. I rarely buy cosmetics in a game, but the right systems have made me pull the trigger on occasion. A 100% slot machine mechanic is one of the biggest turn-offs for me, as are “Pay to skip the grind”.

Zul
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Zul

You tell it like it is, Jim! Fuck those wankers and their microtransactions!

Neil Damer
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Neil Damer

It really saddens me how willing many people are for an alternative to still give Blizzard extra money for content that is already in the game. Whether it’s lootboxes or BlizzardBucks, there really is no excuse to have to pay more for something we’ve already bought within the original package, randomness (or lack thereof) be damned.

Please folks, stop being so subservient towards these content withholding overlords.

Maybe I’ve just been gaming a lot longer that most, but this shit just absolutely baffles me.

Left4Coragem
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It’s blizzard, it doesn’t matter what we say, people will turn off their brains and get in line to give them their money.

Neil Damer
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Neil Damer
Very true, sadly. That wont stop me at least trying to remind people what they’re doing, and the ramifications it has on the whole industry. Even if only a handful of people engage their brains before hitting ‘buy,’ that’s still worth something, surely? What’s really irksome is that in most cases, users of cash shops of this nature represent a fraction of the game playing audience, and their so easily exploitable lack of self-control and excess of disposable income ruins things for everyone else. Why try desperately to sell 1 or 2 lootboxes to a hesitant consumer when you can… Read more »
Sherrif
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Sherrif

What monetization method would be an improvement?

This is the problem with people “fighting the cause”

It’s like fighting for world peace, sure if you kill off all the people that don’t agree with you, you’ll get your peace, but you’ll eliminate so many different viewpoints that technological, creative, and ideological progress will literally halt.

So, I ask you, why would you get on a soapbox against the microtransactions in Overwatch, when you don’t have a way to fix it?

Neil Damer
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Neil Damer
Like I said in the previous post, money-grubbing for content already in the game is never, and can never be an improvement. I don’t want to see them change how they nickle and dime, I want to see it gone completely. There are a whole host of different ways the unlockables could work without screwing over the userbase in the process: A clear ‘this is what you unlock at level 10’ would be a start, or perhaps giving in-game currency at the end of matches for you to purchase what you want, or unlocks specific to the characters you play… Read more »
Sherrif
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Sherrif
So you don’t have an answer. Fact is the game needs to be supported with sales post launch to afford the server costs and patch support costs. “Gone completely” doesn’t solve a damn, you have to have some form of post launch monetization, otherwise the game will eventually have to drastically change business model and gameplay mechanics to support the bloated rising costs the game is absorbing. Servers aren’t free, so I ask you… How do they pay for it? So again, quit acting like you’re some kind of representative of better gaming, come back to the real world where… Read more »
Neil Damer
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Neil Damer
“So you don’t have an answer.” I just provided multiple suggestions for players to get to access the content they’ve already bought. Try re-reading? “Fact is the game needs to be supported with sales post launch to afford the server costs and patch support costs.” Yes, but these are not ‘post launch sales.’ They’re selling base game content that has already been paid for. Making something new and selling it, I have no problem with, though I would still take issue with randomisation. “”Gone completely” doesn’t solve a damn, you have to have some form of post launch monetization, otherwise… Read more »
Sherrif
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Sherrif
Or, you could just simply that having whales subsidize the majority of the playerbase IS preferrable to a subscription, as that allows more players to maintain playing the game. DLC is ALWAYS bad for games such as this, as it fractures the playerbase and kills off the game which is a lose/lose situation. So yeah, microtransactions that are not required to access all the content is preferable by anybody with sensible facilities. So yes, there is a need to be agressive towards somebody that wants to gate off content from normal users, that wants to require exuberant subscription fees upon… Read more »
Sherrif
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Sherrif
To add, because people lack understanding. If they were not to have the loot box system, the alternative was that you simply paid for skins you wanted, with no way to obtain it without paying for them. That’s what Jim wants, so he can whale up that D.Va skin he wants so bad, and ignore the fact that a majority of players don’t want to pay for skins. You have subscribed to the alternative of DLC packs? Well that means that the skins would be sold separately of the main game. Is that what you want, to reduce the chance… Read more »
Thea Queen
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Thea Queen
1. Quit using the word “whale” in whatever context you want just because it’s some nerd power-argument word, you look dumb. 2. Please tell me how being able to purchase the ONE FUCKING SKIN I WANT in the entire game rather than wading through possibly hundred of boxes (paid or unpaid) to get to it would be some bank-breaking move that puts Blizzard out of business. As it stands, with the current system, they will be receiving a very literal ZERO dollars from me. I’m not willing to pay into this system and hope I get my skin. If I… Read more »
Billy Bissette
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Billy Bissette
I sadly remember Defiance, an MMO that had potential but was routinely shot in the leg by Trion’s mismanagement. It was even more skewed in that management knew that there was a core base of people which were willing to spend thousands of dollars each. (Basically, a core group that had large amounts of disposable income and only played Defiance, so they were willing to dump thousands into the game.) I can easily see Blizzard having a much larger “core” base that is flush with money and more than willing to dump it into Blizzard products if given the chance.
Captiosus
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I really enjoy Overwatch but this is one of the most unrewarding reward structures I’ve played in the last 30 years – and that includes the god awful double RNG engram system of early Destiny which, until now, was my benchmark for horrible rewards systems this generation. I got lucky early on and got three legendary skins but in the last 21 levels I haven’t even seen more than 2 epic items. Most of the boxes have only had one or two blues and sprays/voice lines. The last FOUR boxes (levels 63 through 67) have been one blue and three… Read more »
CaitSeith
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CaitSeith

This reminds me of my woes with ME3 multiplayer. I just wanted an Evicerator shotgun for my Vangard (and it isn’t even rare!) 🙁

Craig
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Craig

I ended up with hockey Lucio and Siberian winter clothing skin for Zarya (though I don’t really use her yet) and I’m only level 12, you’ve had shit luck mate.

I use the hockey Lucio one. You are right about them being lazy recolours half the time as well. Skins in Heroes of The Storm are better.

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