orion

Trek Versus Activision: How Orion Went From Victim To Villain In One Night

We’re used to seeing corporations use DMCA rulings to take down videos and music uploads, but it’s rare to see an entire videogame torn down over a copyright claim. That’s what happened on June 27 when Orion was removed from Steam via Activision, following claims that assets – primarily gun models – were illegally copied from Call of Duty: Black Ops III.

David Prassel of Trek Industries got ahead of Activision and claimed the takedown was spurious.

The natural inclination of the Internet was to assume Activision was the bad guy. It’s a classic story – the big corporation throwing its weight around and crushing a smaller competitor.

But then things got… complicated.

dfhf

“This is extremely serious that a DCMA request has removed our entire game from sale, during the biggest sale event of the year,” claimed Prassel in his original statement. “Apparently no cross-checking was done by our Partner, who we’ve been with for over 5 years and I have seen better and would expect better from them. At minimum, to contact us regarding our assets/defense before taking any action.

“We’ve made Steam our primary platform, but this has put a definite scare into us going forward considering our entire livelihood can be pulled without a moments notice, without any warning or proper verification. I cannot even confirm that the representative from Activision is a real person as absolutely no results pop up in any of my searches.”

Prassel would go on to call the claim “erroneous” and even threw a few Twitter hashtags out there for fans to use – #OrionNeedsYou, #LookWhosScared, and #SteamWTF.

The guns alleged to have been stolen from Black Ops III are the M8A7 rifle, the Haymaker rifle, and the Bal-27 rifle. Prassel himself posted comparison shots to exonerate his team.

a1

a2

At first glance, everything was cut and dried. I contacted David myself for a statement, as well as Activision. While Activision did not bother getting back to me, Prassel followed up his claims with more information.

“I received the DCMA request after its removal from Steam with no warning/contact from either Valve/Steam or any developer associated with Call of Duty nor anyone from Activision,” he told me. “I never was provided specific examples of assets, or screenshots of what offended them – nor given the chance to rectify or remove any offensive content prior to having our game removed from sale.

“We immediately offered to remove ANY offensive content (as it wasn’t specified) and this was not accepted.”

The Internet, however, was already digging and found its first clue that Activision’s claims may not be all that erroneous. The following image was passed around as people began to doubt Trek Industries’ side of the story.

d1

“The sight is the only similarity we can see,” said Prassel in response. “Even if it was a 1:1, that’s not enough for a design infraction, even by legal standards and by a significant amount. And the sight is just a futuristic M1 Garand, so either way both are homaging a real world property, the only thing that could actually hold up and is the only one without a dog in this fight.”

He’d go on to change tack, moving from the illegitimacy of the claim to the unfairness of not being contacted or allowed to make changes before the game was pulled.

“Regardless, an invalid and malicious act from Activision on wrong or non-existent evidence. They are a multi-billion dollar company coming over what is currently a 50 cent game, without contacting us or requesting anything of us NOR providing any specific assets or images of the offensive content to begin with.

“I just can’t believe of all things, it was over a generic sci-fi weapon. Regardless what it was over, the most important thing was that we were not warned, contacted by either party nor able to remedy it. We were given no specific information relating to assets, only left to guess or use fan-submitted content/links to decipher. We offered immediately to remove any offensive content right off the bat, this was rejected.”

However, things quickly got more complicated. A Reddit thread, initially in favor of Trek Industries, turned on a dime as more comparison shots were found and other commenters pointed out Orion‘s previous history with illegal asset use.

The thread points out a history of controversy surrounding The Orion Project, going back to when it was originally called Orion: Dino Beatdown.

That history includes allegations of Kickstarter scamming, with David Prassel receiving $20,000 for a project before firing his entire team without compensation. It also includes a prior history of alleged asset theft, with Dino Beatdown said to include items from Natural Selection 2 and a whole host of other games.

Then more damning comparison shots surfaced…

d2

When I asked David Prassel about the Reddit thread and its allegations he was terse, but he did respond. “Insane” was the word he used to describe the accusations.

“I don’t name drop back about 2012, since it was very personal.  But I did open up about what went down and why all that happened once the product was restored.”

He provided a link to this article which detailed Orion‘s development history.

“But to that we have 4+ years of fan service, hundreds of free updates, honoring a failed Kickstarter, and so much more that is actually trackable or having verified proof, unlike many of those (mostly insane) allegations,” he continued. “Just look up anything we have actually done, stuff you can actually tangibly prove.

“I’ve been around every single day, for many years, interacting with and supporting our fans.  Just check the steam news of either of our games or how much either has grown.”

It’s at this point things went completely off the rails.

Prassel’s public demeanour would change from that of an embattled little guy facing off against a major corporation to… well… something resembling a cornered animal.

At first, things were calm but suspect. Prassel announced on June 28 that he would not be pursuing legal action against Activision despite such action being what he called “easy justice.”

“We will not be the DMCA, patent-infringing types that hinder production and creativity,” he declared. “That being said, we will be ensuring that Activision covers for the damages they’ve inflicted, both by removal of the game during the largest event of the year as well as malicious and invalid claims which acted as slander and defamation.”

He would do this, he claimed, by crowdfunding the damage costs directly from the community, asking Orion‘s fans to cover the losses incurred from being unable to partake in Steam’s summer sale – losses that amounted to 90% profit, he estimated.

Meanwhile, the evidence against Trek just kept piling up.

And piling up.

And piling up.

And honestly you can see the whole steaming mess here.

That didn’t stop Trek Industries’ crowdfunding efforts, however. An Indiegogo was launched to “support game developers who support their fans.” According to screenshots, $500 of the campaign’s $1,515 total was donated by Trek Industries itself.

Amid accusations of Trek deleting Facebook comments pointing out the company’s shady reputation, David himself is said to have issued threats on Reddit. Legal action was promised to anybody who continued to spread “malicious falsehoods” about David Prassel. In his defense, Prassel claims his Reddit account was hacked and that he was not responsible for legal threats.

Prassel would attempt to prove he was hacked by posting his account activity, but other commenters suggested it was proof that he wasn’t hacked. You can see the exchange for yourself and make your own mind up.

d4

In an embittered Steam forum post, David would go on to say he was “about done with this industry.”

He’d lash out at Activision and similar publishers, too.

“If you want a developer that abuses you, rapes your wallet with annual $60 rehashes, DLC, $15 map packs and other disastrous efforts like invalid and illegal DMCA takedowns, by all means let them continue to ruin the gaming industry.”

He then banned himself from his own game’s Steam forums, saying it was to protect himself from himself.

That’s about where we’re at with the story so far, but given Prassel’s erratic behavior in the face of community digging, I assume there are things yet to develop.

As it stands, this entire debacle looks set to be one of the more remarkable own goals we’ve ever seen in the industry. To go from sympathetic victim of corporate overreach to maligned public enemy in the span of a few hours is quite an impressive feat, and for long-time critics of Orion this has been a case of many prodigal chickens coming home to roost.

Meanwhile, Activision hasn’t said a word, and considering Trek hasn’t so much shot itself in the foot as blasted its own leg off with a bazooka, I can understand why.

  • Even Luck

    ………Oh dear.

  • vonSanneck

    Well this was an episode.

  • MrInsecure

    I was not aware of this game before, and seeing what’s come down the pipe, I don’t feel particularly sorry to have missed it.

  • StarTsurugi

    Nice basement colombo work from the community

    • El Gonzo

      Yeah, especially identifying the images used for the achievement badges. That was quite an example of awesome Google image search Fu.

  • Chris Mitchell

    I bet they’re crying like an anime prom on fan night.

    • Chevy Chase

      Oh you kidder you!

  • Howl

    Well that is definitely shady to say the least, I do hope Activision provides some of it’s own proof, since Reddit detective work isn’t the most solid of evidence.

    On a side note, I do think it’s a bit harsh to take a game down without warning, perhaps letting them know about the offending material first would have been a more civil approach.

    • Bright Spark

      In this case it’s pretty solid proof from Reddit tho, the gun from Orion does look like it was cobbled together from the four guns in BO3.

      Also, Prassel did act a bit “suspicious” after people revealed that proof on Reddit, threatening to sue people.

      • Vivi2372

        Yeah, when the proof involves comparing one 3D model to another reddit detectives are pretty reliable there. You literally just have to look closely yourself to see that they’re right.

    • El Gonzo

      We don’t know if there was prior contact between Trek and Activision. Business dealings and correspondence are usually not made public, so all what we have are speculations about what happened or didn’t happen between Activision and Trek…

  • Logan Chitwood

    The Orion games have done nothing but dissapoint in my eyes, from shoddily made (to apparently stolen) assets to stiff animations and mediocre gameplay, I’ve regretted every dime I’ve spent on an Orion game. I think I refunded the last one honestly, and it’s no surprise to see that the dev is as lazy and sketchy as he seems.

    • Did you ever revisit the games when patches were made? Also do you notice the prices of their games? It is not like they try to milk people for every dollar they can get like big publishers .. say like Activision.

      • Barl0we

        It’s almost like creating your own assets and AAA quality costs more money, leading to higher prices.

        Crazy, I know!

  • James Bixby

    ohhhhh is there another Steam Meltdown Saga Jimquisition in the works from this? We have not had one since that Developer What Jim can’t talk about right now for various legal reasons cause said develop is a git.

  • Magmafrost13 .

    As much as it seems more and more clear that David was in the wrong, I think its important to remember that its a problem regardless that Activision could make the claim so easily, and provide so little information on why. Even though Activision was in the right in making the claim, it shouldnt have taken this to find out why. There shouldnt have been *any* ambiguity.

    • Batmatt

      Well, just because they didn’t go public with the information it doesn’t mean they didn’t provide it to steam with the claim… we may never know.

    • 9thsage

      The thing about this is that we only have Prassel’s word on what the DMCA claims were about, and he’s looking less and less trustworthy as time goes on.

    • El Gonzo

      In Trek’s post on Steam where they claimed that Activisions takedown request was spurious, they actually quoted from the DMCA takedown notice:

      “on behalf of Activision, who alleges that the game Orion uses weapon
      art content from Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 and Call of Duty: Advanced
      Warfare. The weapon art in question includes the M8A7 rifle, the
      Haymaker rifle, and the Bal-27 rifle.”

      The infringed work of art is COD, the infringing work is Orion, and the subject of the infringing activities are gun models. Where exactly is there any ambiguity?

    • We don’t know what Activision presented to Valve. They may have presented all of this info and more. But, yes, it underlines a problem: Valve needs Activision more than Activision needs Valve. Not being on Steam hasn’t hurt EA much, after all.

  • Richard Alexander Arthur Howel

    Good guy Activision. Sounds sickening doesn’t it?

    • El Gonzo

      Wait… are you implying only good guys would defend their rights, whereas bad guys would not do that? 😉

    • Good guy Activision? You have to be kidding. The sounds were stock and the guns of course are going to look similar with each game as they are based off real life guns. Give me a break with the good guy Activision bull crap.

      • Fallen Prime

        Ohhhhhh, so trolling. That’s two comments wasted, then.

  • Viking Mana

    “We will not be the DMCA, patent-infringing types that hinder production and creativity,”

    Am I the only one who thinks that the claim that protecting your patents and copyrights hinders production and creativity echoes an old friend of ours claim that using unaltered, store-bought assets in an incoherent manner was supporting the Indie-market?

    This is kind of beautiful. A true lesson in the futility of trying to cover up your own illegal behavior on the internet. You’ll just end up exposing yourself to thousands upon thousands of online Sleuth’s who love doing a bit of Sherlock Holmes roleplaying in their spare time. Seriously, some of the people who take on these cases for a hobby are actually rather talented investigators.

    Of course, it’s not that hard to see the pattern here: The “Victim” was trying to defend himself by appealing to public sympathies and our shared concern of the “Money Rules”-development in the gaming industry, but soon thereafter his own shady behavior was unearthed. Rather than going after Activition and the gaming-establishment at that point, he changed tactics and tried preaching about how anyone attacking him or peeling apart his poorly constructed defenses were actively supporting an industry full of power-abusing dictators out to steal from you, attempting to appoint himself something of a freedom-fighter.

    I mean, he doesn’t actually seem to ever comment on how so many assets in his game are so similar to the assets people are now claiming he’s stolen. Tiny details that all line up to make him look like a lazy thief who spray-paints a stolen bicycle thinking that no one could possibly recognize it. Even if he didn’t actually steal the assets, he clearly had his own ones modeled after them.

  • Error 52

    I guess the main takeaway here is that just because a company is unlikable doesn’t mean they’re always in the wrong.

    • Agreed. Trek Studios often doesn’t handle things right but here they are not wrong. Activision is in the wrong.

      • Fallen Prime

        I dunno, the details of the case are screaming otherwise.

        • Anton

          Pfffft, details….. fuck the AAA, even when we’re wrong, amirite?

      • iamagiantcat

        except that the evidence seems to be weighted in their favor so far.

      • Luis Martinez

        Lol you completely misunderstood his comment. He’s talking about Activision not Trek Studios.

        • dennett316

          No, he understood it fine…he was trying to be clever with it.

          • Luis Martinez

            I fail to see the cleverness behind that.

          • Anton

            It’s ok, he failed too.

      • Error 52

        …How are activision in the wrong, exactly?

  • HelixShade

    So…kinda like another Court Case going on at the moment then, huh Jim? ^^

    • Jarin

      And like Activision, Jim is legally savvy enough to say nothing at all.

  • Angus Seydel

    “He then banned himself from his own game’s Steam forums, saying it was to protect himself from himself.” That, I did not expect

    • Jack Trevor

      What? A guy with common sense?

      Because I agree that’s a surprise.

      • Angus Seydel

        I’ve never seen a dev ban themselves, and a dev like this acting with common sense is pretty weird yeah

    • Muddy Scarecrow

      I didn’t even know that was a thing you could do! How the hell does that even work!? Is there like…a “ban me” button in the moderator menu or something?

      • Anton

        Yes, it’s called “arguing with a moderator”

        Thank you, I’ll let myself out.

      • BAH!

        I’m just imagining a giant red “PANIC” button on his desk.

        “Oh, shit, I’ve dug myself way too deep!” *Mashes “GO” on that button*

  • BAH!

    What fun!

  • Joshua

    If he had gotten a Lawyer, they would have told him to say nothing. Like Activision’s lawyer’s told them.

    • galactix100

      One of the first things I learned on my law degree. Advise your client to keep quite and let you do all the talking.

  • CyanManta

    Well, worse comes to worst, he can always start a gofundme to sue Activision for slander. It could work. I mean, Jim Romine is currently up to $425 out of a target of $75,000. At the rate he’s going, he’ll be all ready to go to court in about… let’s see… 48 years.

    • dennett316

      I’m actually shocked that there’s $425 worth of idiots out there willing to fund a shady devs grudge lawsuit.
      *reads some Youtube comments*
      Oh wait, no, I’m not surprised at all.

      • CyanManta

        Well, there was about $225 raised when it first surfaced, then nothing for 2 months, then suddenly another single donation of $200 appeared there, and nothing since then. I have an educated guess as to where that last $200 came from.

  • gunsrlove

    This is what happens when your artists imitate their reference material too closely to the point of copying it. As an artist myself I can say that we copy stuff all the time, especially in 3d(visually ofc, not ripping actual models) but the point is to avoid looking identical to the reference. Assuming models haven’t been stolen ofc. On top of that his erratic statements only made it worse.

    • Kevin Wilson

      These things can happen. Look at Naughty Dog with them using a picture of a landscape (I think it was Ubisoft). It was the artist that copied it and the oversight did not catch it. It happens even between AAA company’s.

      • dennett316

        Yup. If that’s the case though, admitting it and doing what you need to do to change it is what you should do. Not run to the internet looking for sympathy and then flipping out when people start questioning things.

  • MeriwetherMalodor

    In Prassel’s initial post about the takedown, he mentioned something about outsourcing the weapon designs. It’s possible that Prassel was himself the victim of a conman who sold him designs made from Black Ops assets.

    • Anton

      If that was the case, he would have happily pointed out the real guilty party. The way he doubles down on his anger and victimization makes it very obvious he knows what he did.

      • MeriwetherMalodor

        Or he’s too embarassed and clueless to admit he was scammed.
        Whatever the case may be, things aren’t looking good for him.

        • Anton

          Doesn’t matter; once you start being dishonest, you’re in the wrong. Especially when you have so little to defend yourself with.

        • dennett316

          Better to have been scammed than to be seen to be dishonest and shady…it kills his credibility to be seen as the latter.

  • Seems the guy needs professional help.

    • Benj

      Or professional anything.

      • Milestone_RP

        “Professionalism” is something that seems to be sorely missing in society in general, lately.

  • Jason Ballard

    has anyone made a drek industries joke yet

  • hylisk

    I remember this company. I think Totalbiscuit did WTF of their game long time ago when it was named differently. If I remember correctly, this company has been stealing assets from other games and LEGO building with them to make their game for years. Four years later, they are still doing it I suppose.

    • Jack Trevor

      There’s a reason for that. This company has reposted the same game on Steam under a different name three times.

      Because that is (supposedly) the least shady way of getting rid of negative comments and reviews.

  • ImaLemming

    “We’re suing for defamation to make an example of harassers, but we need you to crowdfund our endeavor!” Why does that sound familiar?

    • Fallen Prime

      Strange minds think alike.

  • Benj

    I don’t want to live in a world where Activision are in the right about something.

    • Jack Trevor

      Well too bad. They are in this case.

  • Jack Trevor

    What sealed the deal for me that this claim was legit is the fact that this company has released the same game three times now.

    How you may ask? Simple. Take down the original game, repost it under a different name, and Vola! All the negative reviews are gone.

  • Terriosaurus Hex

    The moral greys of reality, my learned friends. And an example of just how unpredictable life can and always will be. Can’t believe the cheek of asking fans to crowd find his damages while housing a suspicious history on kick-started already. But there will always be those that succumb to denial unfortunately.

  • A Roast Beef Sandwich

    Oh, please let it be revealed that Activision did present evidence to this guy and he pretended they didn’t to look like the victim. That would make me so happy

    • El Gonzo

      The whole thing already makes me very happy. Like a Michael Bay film: Stupid characters uttering cringe-worthy dialog, lot’s of senseless (self) destruction, lots of visual effects (*cough*)… But what a spectacle it is!

    • … and you would be so wrong. LOL!

      • Fallen Prime

        Christ, dude, what’s up with your nose? Your complexion’s way too fair to warrant a nose that brown.

      • Terriosaurus Hex

        Prassel? Is that you? You can tell us, man. We can get you the help you need. You can really save yourself the hassle, Dave Prassel. Sorry, I can be a bit of a compulsive rhymer, it’s actually an annoying problem.

        • BAH!

          No more rhymes, now. I mean it!

          • Mayo

            Does anybody want a peanut?

          • Terriosaurus Hex

            Yes, mother. Uh, I mean mistress. No, wait… excelsior? This has not worked according to plan!

  • Anton

    This guy must be dumber than DH, thinking he can steal assets from the big boys and then crying oppression. You know you fucked up when you make AAA takedowns look reasonable.

  • Is David good at handling his emotions and should he have a PR rep? Yes. Now does that justify what Activision did? Nope. Sorry but the guns are going to look similar because they are based off real world guns and the funny thing is there is so much different about them that this is just a joke reason for Activision to have this taken down. Also in regards to the gun sounds they were stock. As for Trek Industries saying they want to crowd fund to get money they missed out in the sale they have every single right to do it and based off what I have seen I think they were wronged here. They missed out on money they count on from big Steam sales. Also if you want to bring up the similar looking robot from that movie as a reason to bash them well fine but did Universal ask for this game to be taken down because of this? No. So Activision shut it. Also did Disney complain about the Star Wars looking helmet? Nope. Activision is just upset that their COD is going to get killed by the next BF game and they will have temper tantrums until a time when they are back on top again.

    • Anton

      Oh honey…..

    • El Gonzo

      Is this comedy or tragedy? I am always so confused about those two genres…

    • Billy Bissette

      The guns that were copied are apparently fictional creations, not recreations of any specific real world gun.

      There also isn’t “so much different about them”. If you look at the comparisons originally posted to Reddit, you can see that the Orion guns in question are composed of entire sections taken from COD weapons. The entire sight from one, the grip from another, the clip from another, the stock and main body from another….

    • Thomas Vincent Szaban

      Hi Dave!

    • Wolfie

      Could you learn how to paragraph next time?

    • I AM A TENT

      I like the “zzz” in your name

    • MeriwetherMalodor

      “Sorry but the guns are going to look similar because they are based off real world guns”

      No two artists are going to make 1:1 identical parts even based on real world guns. Sorry, but they ripped off Black Ops guns. They tried to hide it by combining parts of different guns, but those parts were clearly copied nonetheless. They got caught and Activision can claim copyright infringement.

    • Samy Joie

      The meshes and textures are straight up lifted from activision’s game. And i’ll tell you something funny, even if the mesh is based on a real weapon, lifting an existing model from a game and putting it into yours is still illegal. That’s why there are thousand of different meshes for the same ol’ bland AK-47.

  • Jaakko Palm

    I don’t know which makes me more sad. That that I have both of Orion and Orion:Prelude in my steam libary or the fact that I have found both games to be enjoyable.
    If only someone in the devteam should have said that maybe its not a good idea to steal assets from others…

    • Brotown

      Nothing wrong with finding enjoyment where you do, my friend. (So long as it doesnt hurt anyone else, of course). We all have our likes that maybe other’s arent too fond of. Hell, i still openly admit to enjoying Biodome and the “Everybody dance now” song by C&C Music Factory and like Janice in accounting, I dont give a fuck! 😉

      • Jaakko Palm

        Its not that Im ashamed of liking these games but rather the fact that these guys are capable making enjoyable games, but they just need stop with the assets stealing/copy-pasting.
        Wasted talent if you ask me.

  • Mike Wallace

    It’s a bit early for popcorn. Can my hashbrowns serve as something to pop into my mouth while I enjoy this latest developer meltdown?

    • Anton

      Depends, are the hashbrowns extra salty?

      • Mike Wallace

        They were. Also vinegary because that’s how I roll.

  • Fallen Prime

    More like “Yo’ Lyin’!” Am I right?

    Am I… am I right?

    *sigh* Mighty No. 9 had an easier title to work with.

  • Za_Docta

    When Sonic the Hedgehog can dunk on Mighty No. 9, Inafune done fucked up.
    Similarly, when Activision can make your company look shady, YOU DONE FUCKED THE FUCK UP.

    • galactix100

      Sonic can’t say a fucking thing about the quality of a game when both Sonic ’06 and Sonic Boom both exist.

      • dennett316

        And what about Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations…since we’re being selective. And as awful as those games you mention are, they were at least made without dodgy Kickstarters and directly dicking around their customers before they got released.

        • Fallen Prime

          And their PR team has the self-awareness to throw shade on their own failures and shortcomings.

          Say what you will about the course of the series, the social media guy’s a class act.

          • Za_Docta

            I thought the Facebook page wasn’t actually associated with Sega.

          • Fallen Prime

            I dunno about Facebook, but the Twitter is official.

        • hardy83

          Sega’s participation in Aliens: Colonial Marines marketing and other aspects trumps any stupid shit pulled on Kickstarter by a small company.

          • Oldenheimer1913

            The Aliens: Colonial Marines fuckup was Gearbox’s baby, though. As far as I was aware, Sega just funded the game’s development. People really need to stop confusing publishers with game developers in cases like these; it’s only valid if the publisher actually stepped in saying “You need to make the game more like this” then pointing at whatever stupid game is topping the charts that month. Wasn’t the case here, and besides, they later funded another game’s development that ended up being much more successful. Alien: Isolation. It’s all in the developer in these two cases.

            As for why A:CM fucked up, good old Gearbox was supposed to be making the fucking game themselves. But they decided they’d simply hand it off to a smaller company to do in their stead. That company had nowhere near the manpower or resources needed to bring a product like that together to the standards set by Gearbox’s preview build. And the rest is history.

            Now why did they go and do that? It’s not proven and they’d never admit it if it was true, but I’ll always be convinced they sacrificed A:CM so they could siphon some of its funding for Borderlands 2. Randy Pitchford is an assclown and Gearbox is garbage. But my feelings towards those rotten assholes are neither here nor there for the topic at hand.

          • hardy83

            Gearbox and Pitchford are garbage, but Sega assisted and paid for the marketing and hence greenlit all the blatant illegal and false advertising. Fuck them too.

            Gearbox is the bigger villain in this, but Sega was a willing accomplish paying for it all and knew the whole situation.

          • Milestone_RP

            Eh…not necessarily defending Sega on that front, but think about it this way: If you spent a crap load of money on the rights to something, and paid someone to make something for you, then that party goes and pisses away all of your money and comes up short, wouldn’t you go into panic mode and think “CRAP, we need to get as many people buying this thing to recoup the losses NOW”?

          • hardy83

            They made their decision, and it was to falsely advertise a game based on incorrect imagery and lies.
            False advertising and marketing is at the near top of my list of things I hate. I don’t care the situation for the company. Sega paid for, assisted and greenlit all marketing for the shit game. Fuck them forever. I have no sympathy for a company that willingly tries to sell consumers garbage based on lies even if they themselves got screwed over.

        • galactix100

          Neither the existence of good sonic games nor kickstarter are relevant. The issue is that it’s fairly hypocritical for Sonic to call anyone else’s games shit when their own franchise contains terrible games itself.

          • BornFlunky

            Less so if the guy making said comments has owned up to the irony.

            He has. Repeatedly.

            And seriously, a small element of hypocrisy doesn’t necessarily “undermine any criticism”, as you’ve said. Every long-running series has had a bad game, or a bad moment. If you’re seriously just going to dismiss a freakin’ -joke- as a result, well…

            That’s rather asinine, actually.

      • BlargleWargle

        At least they didn’t string people along for like four years and demand they fund the development.

        • galactix100

          That’s not the issue. The issue is that these games are just as bad as MN9 if not worse.

      • Powermad80

        Sonic at least has Colors and Generations, which are two good games. The MN9 series has zero good games.

        • galactix100

          Doesn’t matter. ’06 and Boom were shit, undermines any criticism of quality no matter how accurate.

          • squirrel_killer

            Sonic also has plenty of good games. A few bad games don’t erase all the good. Sure it is hypocritical, but it doesn’t undermine it. A failure might even be more able to point out where the mistakes happened from experience

          • galactix100

            Yeah but it’s not using experience to point out areas for improvement, it’s taking the piss, making fun of a game’s poor quality. That’s the key thing. Because it’s taking the piss, sonic’s somewhat dodgy past undermines the piss taking.

    • deathscam

      I don’t think anyone seriously believes that sonic 06 or boom is better than no 9

      • Oldenheimer1913

        Boom definitely isn’t, because it suffers from the same core problem of MN9: absolute blandness with little redeeming quality, intended or otherwise.

        However, I have a soft spot in my heart for ’06 that I don’t for the other two pieces of shit, simply because of how disgustingly glitchy that game was. There was so much that could go completely fucking wrong at any time, usually to hilarious and agonizing effect. I blame Arin Hanson and JonTron for tainting my perspective, all those years ago.

        • Za_Docta

          And the Sonic the Hedgehog facebook page is genuinely funny.

        • Error 52

          Sonic 06 has that same appeal that Pokémon Gen 1 has: they are really, really fun to break.

    • SmaMan

      Except Activision didn’t DO anything. They merely filed the takedown. Orion’s dev then proceeded to lay out the perfect case against himself.

      Hell, Activision’s lawyers should be paying HIM for doing their job.

      • Za_Docta

        I suppose a better way to word it would be “when you look shady in comparison to Activision”

  • SilentPony

    Oh please. If Marvel can steal from Games Workshop and no one bats an eye, I think generic_SciFi_Rifle_1B/22_Blue shouldn’t cause this much of a fuss.

    I mean is no one going to mention the original Black Ops III rifles were taken from Starship Troopers: Marauder?

    • Anton

      1. Just because theft has occurred before, does not mean theft is now ok for everyone.

      2. The guns in Marauder (besides looking godawful) look vaguely similar to BO3 weapons, because both are future-y version of existing guns. The theft we’re talking about here is total replication.

    • Joel Monteiro

      “If A violates copyrights and gets away with it, then it’s ok for B to do it?”
      How in the world does that make sense?

      • Anton

        To be fair, the U.S. legal system is 2% logic and 98% precedent.

        • Milestone_RP

          Don’t forget another 100% or so political/corporate cronyism.

          • MechaSlinky

            And about 200% racist and classist.

      • SilentPony

        If A steals from B, and C steals from A, A has no real claim that what it stole from B is legitimately A’s.

        Like if I stole your computer, and Anton below me stole that same computer from me, I can’t get the legal system involved to get MY computer back. Because it was stolen in the first place.

        • Fallen Prime

          That doesn’t give C the right to play the innocent victim either.

          • SilentPony

            That’s fair.

        • Space Blizzard

          Did Activision steal the same assets that Trek (allegedly) went on to steal? If not, then whatever Activision did in the past isn’t relevant.

  • Exley97

    Claiming your social media account was “hacked” is usually the last, desperate attempt from someone looking to evade responsibility for something they wrote but either didn’t want the world to see (see, Ray Allen, 2009) or wanted to take back later on. In any event, a lot of people were very, VERY quick to jump on Activision and instinctively take Trek’s side, and I hope they read this

    • Fallen Prime

      The Amy’s Baking Company debacle (or “ABCD” ™) comes to mind.

  • Matthew Jenkinson

    Wish I had some better words… Nice article!

  • Einar Jóhannesson

    This is why you stick with the Unity asset store, you guys!

    • Brotown

      Iconic assets

      • Gervasius

        No, that’s Ubisoft asset store.

        • Brotown

          Uplay? That’s just ass.

          😉

          • Gervasius

            But an iconic one.

  • Luis Martinez

    I think Davis Prassel might be treading these comments defending himself.

    • BAH!

      I doubt it. And I was hoping that one dude was just trolling, but it seems he may very well be *that* stupid.

  • raphsere

    Some guy at Activision must be laughing his ass off right now. It must feel weird for them to actually be the ones being supported for once.

    • squirrel_killer

      I have actually defended Activision several times, well actually it was Blizzard and they are just an extremely independent section under Activision. Beyond that though, Activision might be pretty evil, like they are part of the UnHoly Trinity after all, but they are less evil than EA or Ubisoft, and they typically are the most honest of the three. I can’t think of any recent memories of being screwed by ActiVision. Most of what they do that I have an issue with is actually shovelware and licensed properties. It is a weird thought actually at how not that evil they are. Mind you I also don’t buy CoD or Skylanders (though I am tempted to get into Skylanders like the oversized child I am).

    • Error 52

      I don’t necessarily care much for Activision themselves, but it probably doesn’t feel good for the (talented!) devs at Treyarch to have their assets nicked by a shitty indie game.

  • TheGreenGarden_Is_Ada_Wong

    I thought I recognized this game, TB did a let’s play of it years ago where it ripped off the Warthog from Halo.

    • galactix100

      Really. How did nobody notice? That’s a fairly iconic videogame vehicle.

  • Rukia Brooks

    I just don’t understand the need for the intense drama. He would have done a lot better to just be quiet about the whole situation.

    • Brotown

      The Hulk Hogan twitter effect. Every letter push on the keyboard is a shovel-scoop of dirt deeper into the hole

    • El Gonzo

      The things people do for 5 minutes of f…shame…

  • Peter Thomas

    *and then the PR person for Activision wakes up from their nap*
    ‘what the hell is going on?!?…i’m just going…to stand over here and pretend this was planned’

  • nlvldg

    This is a really interesting situation. One the one hand, this guy seems to be a shady Assbutt. On the other hand, he’s not really wrong on this one. Even did use assets form other properties, which he did imo, Steam should have provided him with a list of the offending assets so he had a chance to fix it. But it also feels like he could be using this to profit. And even it it wasn’t intent, not have transparency in you crowd funding so close after the release of MN9, the poster child of poorly run crowd funding, you done fucked up

    • craigstealsheep

      Why do Steam and Activision need to do that? What responsibility do they have here? That’d be like telling Picasso (Activision is not Picasso, but bear with the metaphor for now) he has to go to the studio of a person who copied his work, point out every single part of a painting that was copied and list it all and then send it to the guy who then could go and destroy the evidence. All Picasso needs to do is say what work was copied and then have people investigate the allegation. If Activision sent them that list, you really think David here wouldn’t have tried to delete them and pretend it didn’t happen?

      • El Gonzo

        No, you got that backwards. Those who make extraordinary claims have to provide the evidence. It is not the responsibility of the accused to prove his innocence.

        It is the responsibility of the accuser to provide evidence the accused is guilty. It can be said that Activision did that by pointing out what the infringing subject is (guns), and possibly providing more detailed information to Valve.

        Note that it is not Trek Ind. who is the receiver of the DMCA takedown request. It is the owner of the website who hosts/offers the infringing work — that means Valve Corp. Trek only gets a notification, but not a request.

        One can further say that if Trek were so confident in the DMCA takedown request being unjust, they could have challenged in court. Which, if their claims would be found true by the court, would open avenues to punish Activision for an unlawful DMCA takedown request. But we all know what Trek’s claims are worth by now…

        • craigstealsheep

          Ah. I see.

      • Janio

        On Picasso metafor. If Picasso found out who was copying his art and selling it under his name he would sue and ask the judge to have the fakes consicated. That includes auctionhouses and galaries.

    • Oldenheimer1913

      I like to think of a game called Too Human in situations like this. I can’t be bothered to perfectly fact check everything because I’m a lazy piece of shit, but how I remember it going was the devs, Silicon Knights, wanted to license Unreal Engine for the game. But due to stupidity and petty bullshit, they ended up releasing the game on the engine without properly licensing anything.

      The court’s decision after the eventual lawsuit was to make the devs completely eradicate all of their source code and assets for Too Human and recall and destroy all copies of the game they could; just absolutely wipe the thing from existence.

      I know the circumstances are quite different [a whole engine versus just some simple assets], but I still feel it sets an argument-reinforcing precedent. The people in charge of making legal decisions when *somebody* fucks up aren’t necessarily going to give any instructions on how to make the game legal again. They can simply force the violator to nuke it all into oblivion and then go about their business, if it suits them.

      • Samuel

        Circumstances are a bit different, they weren’t hiding what engine they used for their game, they just never paid to use it. That said, that game is so bad it’s fun and I still have my copy to this day because of all of the badness involved with it, the licensing issues and the fact that it plays like crap. It’s like owning a piece of terrible video game history.

  • MartyVendetta27

    wow, in that one comparison, the pistol with the drum mag, they removed the drum from the weapon, but kept the locking mechanism and receptacle for where the drum mag would be loaded into…

    i’m not bothered by the theft as much as i am by the laziness of the theft.

  • Spindrift Prime

    Even before any meltdowns, I had a tough time feeling sympathetic towards David Prassel. A friend of mine (and very enthusiastic fan of Orion Dino Beatdown on the basis of it being so bad it’s good) was posting screenshots of anomalies in the sequel and making snarky commentary; Prassel himself stepped in to comment with a bit of counter-snark about how my friend didn’t understand the purpose of early access.

    A fleeting exchange, and hardly related to this current debacle, but it left a sour taste in my mouth that this purported professional felt the need to police what his actual fans were saying about the obviously unfinished parts of his game. If he couldn’t check his ego when the stakes were that low, then no wonder he got into this current PR quagmire.

    • Brotown

      “If he couldn’t check his ego when the stakes were that low, then no wonder he got into this current PR quagmire.”

      …careful now. It’s comments like these on Jim’s site that’ll get him sued…oh wait

      • Lloyd

        Speaking of which I’m curious how that is going. Likely nowhere until either the judge throws it out or they find a lawyer willing to take a lost cause.

        • squirrel_killer

          This is the gofundme: https://www.gofundme (dot) com/47uexn9c

        • squirrel_killer

          So as you can clearly see by the go fund me, poorly for DH.

          • Lloyd

            Indeed, I’d love to know how much of that paltry sum was donated by themselves and/or friends and family. Hope that Jim will make an episode about all this once he’s in the clear.

          • squirrel_killer

            I have a theory, in Jim’s house is a boglin, in that boglin is a script, that script is the victory speech episode of the Jimquisition after this is all over. It makes sense you know, he shifted to boglins from pogs at the time he did because the pogs weren’t big enough to hide the script for a 50 minute long episode. He needed something bigger.

            My other theory is a hollowed out secret compartment in the lectern he uses that contains the script.

            I also suspect on the floor under the lectern is magic cycle drawn using ink made from charcoal, blood, and the tears of Romine.

          • Charlie Koszulinski

            Screw the script, I bet Jim already has that episode made and ready to go on a flash drive hidden in an old Cold War Era Missile silo somewhere in North Dakota.

  • Kyle Pierce

    With all the evidence stacked against him like that Trek might as well man up, admit he might have done something wrong & make a statement that he’d fix his game to not include the assets in question or at least edit them enough so they aren’t a 1:1 rip off.

    Activision still could have given him some sort of notice in the form of a cease & desist letter or something before taking down his product that’s been on Steam for a few years now & Valve could have at least contacted him about it. Really, all 3 parties are in the wrong here in one way or another.

    • craigstealsheep

      He sort of did just over an hour ago. It’s full of holes though. And while I agree that Steam and Activision are not the best, they are not in the wrong here. David stole assets. He has no right to courtesy. Would you give courtesy to someone who stole your TV?

      • Kyle Pierce

        Someone stole my N64 & all my games then sold them to a pawn shop without my knowing. Unfortunately it was a family member so I have to still show them at least some courtesy every now and then. But yea, I see your point cause it still pisses me off when I think about it.

        • Brotown

          F that. You dont steal from family.

          • craigstealsheep

            Some people do. And people can change. But it’s hard to forgive for sure.

          • Anton

            Fess up, who did you steal that sheep from?

          • craigstealsheep

            You caught me! It was the Flannigan’s…. I just was really, really cold.

      • Ayon Windsor

        That’s my takeaway from this whole situation. The developer is clearly wrong. The developer has done things that are technically illegal and it would be right to stand against him. However, I’d neglect to agree on your last sentence. He was stealing parts of the intellectual property of Activision. I couldn’t care less about Activision.
        The guy didn’t steal ‘my TV’, he stole some fries from a dumpster behind a McActivision in the center of town.

      • MechaSlinky

        Stole my TV, no. Made a new TV by cloning different pieces of all of my TVs, yes, because I’d be amazed that they cloned TVs and I’d want them to show me how!

    • El Gonzo

      Doesn’t a C&D letter require an address? What is the address of Trek Ind.?

      • Oldenheimer1913

        I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just David’s home address, or a small rented office somewhere near it, at the very most.

        • El Gonzo

          I wonder whether one has to provide Valve with a post address if one wants to submit games to Steam or Greenlight. Honestly, i don’t know how Valve handles the business side of things there…

  • craigstealsheep

    He’s made another statement. Look on steam under “Orion/Call of Duty – Resolution Reached” and you’ll see it since we can’t post links. You’ll see him still trying to explain everything away.

    • Anton

      TL; DR, refer to picture

      • Brotown

        I bet that coffee tastes like burning

        • Anton

          Anxiety over impending giant failure is nature’s coffee.

      • Betty Black

        This is more apt

        • Anton

          Well, now I feel like an idiot for not knowing the guy on the left.

    • nlvldg

      can you link it?

      • craigstealsheep

        No, because the comments get moderated if they have links. You have to go to their steam page, but it’s one of the latest discussions.

      • craigstealsheep

        steamcommunity (dot) com/app/104900/discussions/0/358415738209511082/

  • fixxxer928 .

    ‘My reddit account hacked by rushun human, he use verizon wireless and he use local ip’. This not-very-bright guy is tryhard, failhard.

  • craigstealsheep

    For anyone interested in seeing his response and “resolution”, you can find it here: steamcommunity (dot) com/app/104900/discussions/0/358415738209511082/

    Can’t post the full link, but just… you know… change the (dot) to a .

  • peter

    Can’t they do like the rest of the Internet and claim fare use ?

    • peardude

      They could, but it would not be fair use.

      • El Gonzo

        They could claim that the assets were fairly used, no?
        (I’ll take my coat…)

        • peardude

          According to U.S copyright law, 4 factors are considered in deciding if it is fair use or not.
          “(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether
          such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

          (2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

          (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used
          in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

          (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for
          or value of the copyrighted work.”

          (1) Orion is for profit, so that would be a strike against the fair use defense.

          (2) Gun models are pretty important in games, so that is a strike against fair use defense.

          (3) I think they’re clear on this one? I have no clue what it means, though.

          (4) It will have a negative impact for Activision, so they are good on that front.

          However, they broke 50% of those 4 rules, which means it is not fair use.

          • peter

            I was joking but It does gets confusing as everyone on the Internet is steals each other content then start shouting fare use it makes it hard to know who to trust.

          • peardude

            Trust no one.

          • peter

            Does that include Jim ?

          • squirrel_killer

            Especially Jim, we all know he is paid off by his fans.

          • Charlie Koszulinski

            Eh, Jim’s pretty harmless. All he ever does is fuck his Pogs and wear his masks. Creepy, yes, but totally trust worthy.

            Good, he bought it. Now Jim has to write what I tell him because I’m paying for this lousy website. More GamerGate! More Fuckonami! More Skeletor!

          • squirrel_killer

            But can we truly trust a pog fucker? Especially when he also wears a mask? Those masks hide his face and with it his true intentions! He must be hiding something sinister from the world!

            Above all else I PAY HIM MY MONEYZ! HE IS ACCEPTING BRIBES! GAMERGATE GET ON HIM FOR UNETHICAL JOURNALISM!

            (Disclaimer: I actually support GamerGates primary goals of ethical games journalism, but also condemn some of the less… savoury actions taken it it’s name. I also do not believe anything they should be concerned with is currently happening. I also support and condemn many of the ideologies and methodology of the “SJW” side of the debate. Let’s just get that out of the way and not have that BS debate. I feel like I need to give this disclaimer every time I bring them up and/or jokingly call them down on someone because people are fucking idiots and don’t understand sarcasm, humour, satire, or you know just not being 100% serious all the time. That and damn the internet is even more bipartisan about everything than the US political system. Sucks to be a moderate in this world)

          • Charlie Koszulinski

            It’s all good. I never intended to start a confrontation. All for the sake of the joke. Besides, GG has been lying low for awhile, I thought I’d harken back to Jim’s GG era. Maybe he’ll go back there one day. In the meantime, we always have Skeletor. Oh, and Fuckonami, but I think their 15 minutes of fame are over.

          • squirrel_killer

            GG is kinda in watchdog mode lately, like a lot of us who got behind them still talk and occasionally we mention something that looks a bit shady, but mostly two or three discreet comments or a quick email gets things tidied up, maybe it turns out that a game dev is a bit closer with a critic than we can really accept a review from, which typically just leads to a request ahead of time that a different critic touch the game or something. I miss those days off there being a reminder that there are gamers who just want ethical reporting, but I also enjoy the peace and quiet.

            Konami’s abandonment of gaming seems to have basically ended Fuckonomi as a thing that can actually happen, and Skeletor well that’s always going to be something we can trust Jim with.

          • Nutarama

            Actually, in terms of 2, it’s more of a comparison of what the works are. It’s more of a strike to use entertainment assets in a video game than it is the use entertainment assets for illustration in a book about the entertainment industry, for example.

            In terms of #3, courts consider the difference between various levels of usage of the original in the work that claims fair use. The court determines both the amount of the work reproduced (for example, one page of a 400+ page Harry Potter book) and the substantially of the work reproduced (that page being the page where Snape kills Dumpledore).

            So in this case, while gun models might be a small amount of the code, they’re one of the most viewed parts of the game outside of the UI – in an FPS, there’s almost always a gun in front of the camera. That’s a major strike against borrowing a gun model.

            This, btw, is how games like Fallout can throw a character that looks like a celebrity in some corner of the map. It’s a tiny part of the game, and it’s actually easy to complete the game without finding the NPC, which means it’s both a small and insubstantial amount of the game.

          • MechaSlinky

            That last bit is true, although I believe a bigger reason why that is allowed is because it falls under parody of public figures. It’s why South Park can make an entire episode about a raving insane Mel Gibson using his actual face and name throughout the episode regardless of how Mel Gibson may feel about it, but wouldn’t be allowed to simply stick your face into the background without your permission. You’re not as famous, therefore you have greater rights to protect your image from public scrutiny.

          • MechaSlinky

            Number 3 means they could have taken a gun model directly from COD, then modified it and added their own original work to it, and even if one element of the gun was unchanged and looked exactly the same as its COD counterpart, as long as the whole gun doesn’t look too similar to the COD original it could be deemed fair use. I don’t think there’s a set ruling on exactly how much needs to be changed, but I was always told (by people who are not lawyers but have worked in fields where copyright law and fair use are required knowledge) that as long as more than 75% of the work is your own original work then you should be legally okay.

            There is also the issue of it being a transformative work. If you are taking someone else’s work and using it to create an entirely new and different creation, that could be considered fair use. Essentially, taking 25% of 4 different guns and piecing them together to create a new gun isn’t transformative enough and doesn’t include enough original content for it to be protected under fair use. Taking 25% of 4 different guns and piecing them together to create an animated bipedal character might possibly be considered transformative, even if the individual components of each gun weren’t altered and no original modelling or texturing was done, since the arrangement of assets, the rigging and animation of the model, and the voice-acting (if any) would be the original content needed to make it fair use.

            Basically, Trek is fucked on every front, but those New Kids on the Block collages my sister used to make when we were kids are totally legal.

          • Charlie Koszulinski

            If what you say is correct, then Trek should just take the stolen guns and give them an alt fire where the gun transforms into a robot that kills dinosaurs, high fives you, and calls you bruh. I’d buy that.

        • peter

          Well the guns can’t be copy right claimed as the cod guns are based off real guns .

          • Oldenheimer1913

            Yeah, but based off isn’t necessarily good enough. Because I’ve been into Tabletop gaming lately, the Displacer Beast monster from Dungeons and Dragons is based off a visually-similar race of aliens from some sci fi novel or series.

            It’s very much based off it, and very similar as well, but distinct just enough that Wizards of the Coast still own the Displacer Beast, and the novel writer still owns the alien race in the book. Actually I think that author might be dead, I don’t remember how old the book is. But whatever, you get my point.

            Similarly, the CoD guns are enough of their own thing to be protected by copyright, because there is no real version of it out there owned by some other company; it’s just a mix and match of existing guns, at absolute best.

          • peter

            I play 40k and I remember the case games workshop lost were they learn you can,t copyright generic fantasy .

          • Michael Campbell

            Are you talking about the ChapterHouse case? You know GW won 30% of the lodged copyright claims, and ChapterHouse had to pay them damages? (but not much) So it wasn’t a total wash for GW.

    • craigstealsheep

      But do that, they’d have to get a ticket for transportation. And what does that have to with video games anyway?

      • MechaSlinky

        Is your username stating that you are Craig and you steal sheep, or are you Craig’s teal sheep?

  • Sperium3000

    Hey kids! The word of the day is “CLUSTERFUCK”.

  • Sperium3000

    In all seriousness, It may be a very stupid question, but can someone explain to me why is the gun thing such a big deal? I mean, it’s -guns-, and in a reallistic(ish) shooter you need a gun to have a practical design so of course they look super similar. Plus, many games have the same types of guns like the AK-47, and no one is throwing asset rights around.

    So can someone explain to me what exactly is the problem with the guns in Orion looking like the guns in CoD?

    • Lloyd

      From the look of it they did take models from CoD and just mixed up the parts a bit. And if that is the case then yeah I kinda have to side with Activision on this one.

      • Anton

        As someone who has played a shit-ton of Blops 3 Zombies (shut up, I’m already ashamed), I can confirm that Orion’s guns are mix-ups of directly ripped parts.

    • El Gonzo

      Well, somebody did wake up late today and couldn’t be bothered to read all the things that happened so far about whatnot. I can feel you, sometimes i am late to the party too and it is so difficult, time consuming and headache inducing to get a grasp of all that’s going on and what it’s all about actually. In such circumstances i usually throw in the towel and watch some random unrelated YT video. Now, that would be an idea, wouldn’t it?

    • Thomas Evans

      The issue is that the 3D weapon models in Orion were made by directly taking data from COD and putting in their game. They’re not “similar,” they’re copied. It’s like when a musician samples a melody from another song without permission. It’s illegal.

      • Iceman96051

        I think you’re a bit wrong on the music part. You can sample a melody from a song pretty easily you just have to change it a decent amount (more than just changing the pitch or tempo) and people do it all the time. Happens a lot more with Hip-hop but it also happens with pretty much every genre to some extent. Cover versions are a bit closer to the copyright thing as those do require permission (I’m pretty sure at least). However, a better example would be taking the lyrics of one artist whether he is a singer or rapper and then copying word for word but you put the verses in a different order. Then you put it on your own beat and then when people call you out on it, you say it was written 100% by you then you later change the story a bit and say it was a homage or whatever. Point is, beats can get around especially if it’s just a melody sample like you are talking about. Lyrics would be noticed more heavily I think (not counting mainstream trap rappers though as they all sound the same anyways). That’s pretty much what these devs did just in a way it would look in music.

    • mickeyGfunk

      same reason FORZA and Gran Turismo make their own car models form scratch. or why even though 90% of rock songs use the same basic rock drumbeat, they record their own actual drum hits.

    • squirrel_killer

      The guns copied aren’t actually real guns, if they were then there would not be an issue, they are fake guns made from the parts of other fake guns.

      Or at least that is how I understand it from what I have found.

      • MechaSlinky

        The funniest bit is that Trek’s guns aren’t even practical (referencing when Sperium3000 said that guns need a practical design). I mean, a shotgun pump on an assault rifle, and the magazine being loaded into the thing that I forget the name of but it’s so you can press the gun up to your shoulder to help mitigate recoil? Silly nonsense.

  • PassingAtRandom

    Ok, but let’s remember, just like before, that this guys are assholes doesn’t exonerates Activision from that last bit…

  • FiachSidhe

    No Jim the lawsuit is still frivolous and stupid. There is no “Well Activision may be in the right here”. This is ridiculous. These guns are kind of similar, but that’s it. This is like every JRPG publisher suing each other for featuring blue haired amnesiac swordsmen.

    • Betty Black

      It wasn’t a Lawsuit moron
      DMCA is a law that needs to adhered to, not a Lawsuit, David admits to Trek being in the wrong here, what more do you want?

      • FiachSidhe

        Ok the DMCA is stupid.
        Even if they were in the wrong, it’s such a small wrong. How many games cartoons, comic books, etc. feature vaguely similar props? Do you see Marvel and DC attacking each other every time a hero pops up that is a blatant rip off of an existing one? Hawkeye and Green Arrow, Sentry/Superman/Doc Savage? etc.

        Nevermind that Activision is run by a literal villain.

        So this game has a few guns with the same sights or bolts and a Boba Fett inspired helmet.

        • Betty Black

          DMCA is there to protect artists and their artwork, are you being obtuse on purpose?
          David even admits to homages, so now you’re defending Trek? OMFG

          • FiachSidhe

            Not any more I’m not.

        • Aaron

          First off don’t go ad hominum with your argument considering Activision. Whether they’re right or wrong should be determined outside of their ethics and past history.

          Second, size does not determine whether someone violated copyright. In this case, it’s whether there is strong proof if there were assets taken and used w/o permission from the original owner of the said assets. In this case, you can’t/don’t even deny the evidence.

          If you look at the Reddit thread that goes into this topic in much more detail than even Jim did, you start to realize that this company not only has a history of stealing assets and shady business, but they blatantly copied in exact likeness the looks and parts of guns from COD. If Activision didn’t defend this blatant infringement on their copyright, they could risk losing it in a court battle in another case.

          • FiachSidhe

            You’re absolutely correct.

        • BAH!

          Well, you’re doing better than the other guy. Live and learn.

    • Thomas Evans

      Look at some of the comparison images. The models are more than “kind of similar.” If you have looked and don’t see it, maybe you just don’t have the spatial intelligence to see how the 3D data was copied and re-used.

      • FiachSidhe

        Just because I don’t care how similar they look doesn’t mean I don’t understand how similar they look.

        • El Gonzo

          So, your argument is based on “this is ridiculous”…”because i don’t care”? People, we have a winner!

          • FiachSidhe

            Well when I was under the impression that a few guns were similar in design? Yeah.

            But then I found out that they actually lifted code directly from another game and I admit that it was a bigger problem and that I was wrong.

            But as far as games with similar designs, no I don’t care and don’t think it’s an issue. Games copy each other all the time.

          • Betty Black

            So you admit to being wrong then go off onto another subject that has nothing to do with these facts? sure ok buddy

          • FiachSidhe

            What other subject is that exactly?

          • Betty Black

            No, you went off to say games copy other games all the time, entirely different subject, because they don’t copy other’s assets, that’s the subject matter here, ergo why DMCA is being utilized, not too bright are we?

          • FiachSidhe

            That was the basis of my apathy toward the issue back when I thought it was just artists with similar styles, not a game company lifting finished code from other games and appropriating it. It wasn’t another subject.

          • Betty Black

            Yes another subject, because THIS subject matter was Artist’s integrity, not your inability to understand subject matter at hand, you should give up, that reality filter bro…

          • FiachSidhe

            …*sigh* Alright dude, we’re done here. It’s gonna look like I stopped giving a shit about you, but that’s only because I have.

          • Betty Black

            I stopped around an hr ago when you saltily admitted how stupid you were lol

          • Anton

            Wow, you managed to be such a prick that I completely stopped caring that technically you were right at some point. Well done

          • Betty Black

            cool story bro, I guess I am wrong because all his edits show him having to change his story as he goes along right? yeah cause FACTs right?

          • Anton

            No, he’s still wrong, but you out-pricked his wrongness. Like I said, well done.

          • Betty Black

            dude, he’s been editing his comments all along, there is no time stamp on his edits, my comments are to his original unedited comments, well done in out pricking me I guess right?

          • Anton

            Maybe you should edit your posts so you’re not such a prick.

          • Betty Black

            ROFL, I was replying to all his posts as they were, I don’t need to edit anything, he did after abusing people, funny who the prick is now right?
            Up until an hr ago is when he edited his posts and I have proof, so move on troll, nothing to troll here

            😀

          • Charlie Koszulinski

            It’s like a meta joke cuz I stole this picture from whatever the hell game it was from. Anyway, good argument.

            nvm, the picture didn’t show up. It was from that old NES wrestling game where it says a winner is you.

          • Betty Black

            winner, whiner, not much difference in his case

          • FiachSidhe

            You must have missed the response in which I admitted I was wrong.

          • FiachSidhe

            “winner, whiner, not much difference in his case”

            Or yours really.

          • Betty Black

            Was reality too much for you? because I mean since you were proven wrong, you don’t have much of a leg to stand on do you?

          • FiachSidhe

            Me: Something wrong.
            You: You’re wrong.
            Me: Oh shit you’re right I am.
            You: No you’re wrong.
            Me: Yeah I know.
            You: What’s the matter, being wrong too much for you handle?
            Me: What?

          • Betty Black

            U still crying?

          • FiachSidhe

            Only if you are.

    • Peter Smith

      That TREK kool-aid sure tastes good, ain’t it?

      • FiachSidhe

        ….um, yeah. Yeah the kool aid is great.

        • You do realize the weapon models are built using geometry stolen from other weapons in COD, right?

          • Betty Black

            No because he will use the argument of “but games copy other games” your honor

          • FiachSidhe

            I love how you ignore my direct responses to you and just float around to other responses to passive aggressively attack me.

          • Betty Black

            I have answered each and every response, you just seem to be trolling based in your inability to filter reality

          • FiachSidhe

            This coming from the guy whose primary responses are either snark or insults. That’s cute.

          • Betty Black

            Really? someone who posts DMCA is still frivolous and stupid. and ignores facts then goes on to use the, Games copy games all the time argument?
            Just face it, you’re wrong, David is wrong, Trek is wrong, makes 3 losers in my book

            😀

            Keep on trolling

          • FiachSidhe

            Jesus Christ you’re an ass. It’s as if nothing I’ve said in between my initial post and now has occured and you still keep arguing a point I conceded almost an hour ago.

          • Betty Black

            Snarky and insults, quite ironic, yeps thx troll

          • FiachSidhe

            When in doubt, call someone a troll over and over.

          • MechaSlinky

            WHOA, Black, Betty, settle down! WHOOOA, Black, Betty, please settle down, I say, please, Black, Betty, settle down, woah yeah, Black, Betty, please don’t frown!

          • Betty Black

            Kung Pow ftw

          • FiachSidhe

            “inability to filter reality” …what?

          • Charlie Koszulinski

            “If you want a developer that abuses you, rapes your wallet with annual $60 rehashes…”

            And yet he steals from the king of annual franchises. Theft aside, I feel like this really devalues his own game. From all the companies they could’ve stolen from, they decided to steal from the Wal-Mart of video game developers. It’s hard for me to put into words, but I guess what I’m trying to say is that instead of trying to steal a Lamborghini, they went for the most pedestrian sedan parked next to it, took it to a chop shop, and made the most pedestrian custom car you could think of.

            Anyway, I lost it at the Genji helmet rip off. A super popular game that’s only a month old and they shamelessly ripped it off. Classy.

          • FiachSidhe

            I do and I stand corrected on that.

          • Good on you for admitting that.

          • FiachSidhe

            Thank you.

      • Charlie Koszulinski

        My Kool-Aid tastes funny. Did you mix it with Tang or something?

    • Kaira Shiane

      The real issue here is not them being similar, it’s the very noticeable 1:1 likenesses in the gun parts (For reference, look here http://imgur (dot) com/a/ua3Nc and examine the parts in the close up shots). The machining on the individual textures is virtually indistinguishable except for the recoloring (The most blatant one is the Man O’ War’s front end where the pattern stamped into the side of the barrel literally hasn’t been changed in the slightest). And that’s just the guns, we’ve also got these helmets (http://imgur (dot) com/a/5YVea) that are clearly Kylo Ren’s helmet from The Force Awakens, Boba Fett’s helmet from an innumerable number of LucasArts properties, and Genji’s helmet from Overwatch.

      The DMCA might seem like an overreach but at the same time they blatantly copied assets (which easily could’ve been changed had they put the time and effort in, like wiping out the features of the guns that are 1:1 with the COD guns). So honestly while I would like to see this as the bigger companies walking all over the little guy, this little guy’s been hurling rocks (metaphorical ones, of course) which is probably a good reason to step on his face, again metaphorically.

      Edit: Apologies to step in late, not trying to beat up on you.

      • Betty Black

        DMCA is a law, it’s not an over reach, it served its purpose, say as someone put in prison for shooting someone, punishment is fit for accused crime

        David had all the ability to fix this, apparently it has, but David did all this to himself, this is his business, he cannot place blame on artists, he signed off on this, it’s his responsibility

    • Samy Joie

      Are you serious ? They straight up lifted the textures and meshes and did a bit of Cut/paste to create chimeras using existing assets. I can do that in 10 minutes top in Maya.

  • Alyshia Hutchison

    As someone who worked for a company that had assets copied by them before, this is a loooong time coming. Five years. Five years I’ve waited for them to royally step in it with a big guy instead of picking at other Indies, getting caught, throwing a fit and deleting comments, and then backpedaling like he’s done here. This is one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever seen.
    The best part is if he just stayed quiet, things could’ve been settled off to the side without anyone really noticing, but that isn’t their style and never has been.

    • Betty Black

      David is a drama queen, he dug his own grave, said it was too deep then started stories about how the grave digger was some Russian hacker using his Verizon Wifi lel

      I just feel bad for all the idiots following David blindly

      • El Gonzo

        Don’t feel bad about them. If they wouldn’t follow David there would surely be another pied piper waiting for those gullible people…

        • BAH!

          Hey, even the Pied Piper provided a legitimately useful service. I won’t allow his name to be dragged through the mud like this!

          • El Gonzo

            Hehe, true. Can’t argue against that 🙂

          • MechaSlinky

            Exactly! I wish the Pied Piper was still around, because there is a horrible child infestation in my apartment building.

      • BAH!

        Well here’s my question: If people are just assuming Prassel is telling the truth, but he just admitted fault, wouldn’t they also take that as truth? Or are they assuming that he was strong-armed into doing so by “the man”?

        It takes a certain kind of mindset that I literally cannot understand.

        • Betty Black

          What? he is guilty, he admits this, he wasn’t strong armed into anything, so the threats of suing on Reddit weren’t him right? because his Reddit account was Russian hacked using his Verizon Wifi right?

          Yes David is a moral citizen here and Activision is clearly at fault

          Mooncheese is also a viable source of sodium

          • BAH!

            That’s what I said, but I’m wondering why – with the confession now public – people are still defending him as though he did nothing wrong. Are they assuming he was coerced? Or do they just think the law should not be applied equally?

          • Weasel Biggs

            I think it’s a case of people having a favourable bias for anyone who’s worked on something they enjoy.

            Assuming Orion is a fun game in and of itself, I could see fans more or less admit Prassel’s responsibility in this, while still saying that he probably didn’t mean it or unconsciously directed his art team along a very specific path that was conducive to plagiarism.

            It’s flimsy, but people *can* consciously stick to flimsy arguments if they’re shoring up a convenient lie.

          • Betty Black

            Most his followers on STEAM, the 3 or 4, hardly amplify any truths other than that they believe his lies

            David posts how his Reddit account was hacked by a Russia hacker but shows logged in via a Russian IP via Verizon Wifi?
            Then goes to post how his account was still hacked via an image of him trying to access his own Reddit account, showing wrong pw?

            a) he still was able to log into his account after apparent hacking
            b) he supplied all articles of reference
            c) does he think we are that stupid to believe his bs?

          • Weasel Biggs

            Pathological liars aren’t looking for sheep willing to swallow their guff, so much as they’re hoping they won’t get caught.

            My guess is Prassel will cling to his claims of innocence for as long as he possibly can, so long as there’s even a single, lonely soul in the Steam comments section going “I believe in you, senpai! Save my favorite dinosaur-related shooty-bang-bang!”

          • Betty Black

            David is still reporting his account was hacked in Reddit on STEAM, contrary to the evidence he himself submitted
            He plays God in his own world, unfortunately to people who support his shit ideology
            Ask him abt his personal attack on a Star Citizen dev, to which he actually removed most of his own thread

            He has the balls to attack and hide, but when he is under scrutiny, he is always a victim

          • Weasel Biggs

            Textbook avoidant behavior.

            I’m not saying he actually *is* a pathological liar with a disturbing need to make Activision’s response feel like an attack on his own person and to entirely shift his own blame onto others – but yeah.

            That’s pretty much what I’m saying. Ten to one that we eventually hear that he planned to put the blame on someone in the Art department, or that he keeps deflecting accusations and damning evidence one way or another.

          • Betty Black

            His business is to blame, his business was a direct result of employing so said artist to why assets were used without permission

            He signs off on project, therefore his company is 100% responsible
            He can keep up his bs lies, people eventually see the wolf in sheep’s clothing, more so crocodile tears
            I actually removed him from my friend’s list, having personally experienced what he is like, I doubt many people could sway my judgement on his character

            I wrote a review on STEAM, I changed it when David had added me to sort things out, I am waiting for the game to come back online so I can change the review once again, nothing edited, just more added to warn all other suspecting buyers/gamers

            He wants to play with the big boys, well I think Activision just nudged him lightly, time he grew up and became responsible for his business decisions

          • Weasel Biggs

            So you’ve met him? What was he like?

          • Betty Black

            Not met with him, spoken in pvt in STEAM, he is honestly a Bi polar ego maniac

            He cannot be trusted, let’s just say he reacts too quickly and thinks his word is 100% law

          • MechaSlinky

            Exactly. I mean, just look at religion! *rimshot*

        • Zul

          Would you dare say that you… CAN’T EVEN?

        • Billy Bissette

          Prassel didn’t admit any personal fault, at least from what I saw.

          Even in his admission that his company had copied Activision’s COD work, he portrayed himself as an innocent victim. He blamed the asset theft on a 3D artist, said that he was just as angry as Activision was, and that the artist had since been fired.

          In regards to the original comparison images, he claimed that while he just didn’t see enough similarity to be an issue, they’d already decided to remove those weapons before Activision provided more info.

          When he addressed past asset theft controversies, he blamed those incidents on accidents, the actions of freelance artists, and placeholder art. (Even the one case he admitted personal fault was described as placeholder art.)

  • Max Whiteley

    Good read.
    You have to feel bad for the people involved in creating Orion who knew nothing of it and had nothing to do with it.
    But still… If you have been a prick you deserve to be treated like a prick.

    • Weasel Biggs

      I’m surprised by your statement, as you’re essentially suggesting Trek’s 3D modellers weren’t aware they were lifting partial weapon designs from other games.

      I mean, when you’re lifting from a Tom Cruise vehicle in as shameless a way as possible and then go “But it’s totes original, man! For cereal!”, something’s wrong. I doubt Prassel’s the only one with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar – but his employees can at least say they’ve been misled or coerced.

      • Max Whiteley

        No I didn’t.
        I said I feel bad for the people who were involved in making Orion who knew nothing of the asset stealing. That’s not even close to suggesting treks 3D modellers didn’t know.

        • Weasel Biggs

          Fine, but I still can’t understand how you could work on a project like this and *somehow* not catch wind of the Art department’s shady goings-on.

          I mean, regular gamers found out where plagiarism took place, couldn’t some people on staff do the same?

          • squirrel_killer

            Believe it or not a lot of game devs don’t actually play games. Especially the art departments, after all art majors have to take any work they can get.

          • Weasel Biggs

            I’d normally agree, but we’re talking about a dev that’s been accused of plagiarism.

            So you’ve got a hypothetical non-gamer Art department type picking up Call of Duty assets because it’s just convenient, then? I don’t know, it just feels like that would be stretching it.

          • Betty Black

            Far stretch indeed, David is just beating a dead horse with the victim stick
            He is fucking lucky Activision didn’t out right try and destroy him, he deserves this, he is a complete and utter prick the way he speaks to people
            I’ve spoken to him in pvt, his ego is fuels his insanity, because no one in their right mind would continue to campaign these lies
            He got caught red handed numerous times and always denies responsibility, a true General leads his troops into war and does not abandon them

            It’s always someone elses fault…

          • Charlie Koszulinski

            C’mon, man. Those accusations are insane! Get back to me when you’ve got some real dirt.

          • Betty Black

            real dirt, by you mean how DMCA was in effect used to take out the said stolen assets?
            C’mon man, look out for those facts am I right?

          • squirrel_killer

            I was more saying David handed them assets and they didn’t recognize them.

          • XionEternum

            Just tossing in my two cents on this; make of it what you will…

            Since there’s no mention of any insider sources in any of this (that I care enough to look for) there are two distinct possibilities:
            1; The entire development team knew.
            2; The developers that were unaware of this are becoming aware, and are each dealing with the situation as they see fit while not going public so as to save face. I would imagine most would just straight up leave the company and keep it off their resume/portfolio.

            Either way both the notion of feeling bad for the developers that didn’t know (which is an unknown since we don’t know if there were any that didn’t know), and the notion that they all did (because again we don’t know if they all did) are extremely tenuous and not really worth discussing due to their highly subjective nature.

            Now if there comes to light reasonable evidence from an internal source as to the nature of this situation (other than Prassel); then we can “feel bad” or not for the developers that did or didn’t know.

          • MechaSlinky

            I worked on training software (literally a SWAT 4 mod, actually) for the military for a year, in the graphics department. I say department, but it was 5 people in a small roomlet, next to the programmers who were another 5 people in the small roomlet next door, all inside a big garage. Our roomlets had walls but no ceiling (because garage ceiling) so we could just yell over the wall to each other (or blindly throw little rubber grenades at each other all the time every day).

            My best friend was one of the programmers and we always hung out on breaks, and we still didn’t really know what the other one was doing at any given time, because I didn’t need to know about (and didn’t entirely understand) his quest to fix ladders as it would not help me in my quest to build a boat. There was no shady or illegal stuff going on (that I know of) but if there was I never would have known until after it had all been exposed.

            It’s a totally different situation, granted, but it’s pretty easy to miss the shady shit when you’re busy with your own thing and haven’t been given any reason to suspect shady shit. Even if the programmers and graphics people were in the same room sitting literally next to each other, a programmer looking over at a graphics guy with a 3D modeller open would probably just see “graphics guy making graphics somehow”. If they saw any other guns from other games, they probably would assume they were just references.

          • Weasel Biggs

            Right. That does make sense. Still, it’s sad, because it shifts the reporting of shady practices on the consumer – something that was impossible until the Internet made it relatively easy to compare and contrast between video game assets.

            I mean, would Trek still be in the clear if it weren’t for Reddit?

          • Max Whiteley

            I get what your saying. When your up to something really shady you don’t go around telling people, that would be a bad idea.
            I can’t see people in the sound department knowing of the stolen guns.

  • Alex Wall

    This was neat. Like a Jimquisition episode in text form I could read while stuck at work

  • Milestone_RP

    The biggest shock to me is…
    …that “Orion: Dino Beatdown” is still somehow relevant in the year 2016.
    Well, and that Activision would even bother with this. Then again, no matter who’s in the wrong here, Activision is still the kind of company that’d shoot a puppy in front of its owner if it made their execs’ balls tingle.

    • Daniel Jensen

      Personally, I’m imagining some goofy super-villain from a Saturday TV show (like, oooh I don’t know, Mysterio) indignantly exclaiming “What? THEY’RE the bad guys here, everything I’ve done in response is above board”.

    • Razor

      To me Activision and EA are literally devils. With Activision being Mephisto and EA higher Satan/Lucifier. Doesn’t matter though I still don’t like either of this companies with EA being the worst.

  • Yung Spleen

    Wow. Oh wow. I feel kind of bad for chucking that guy a dollar or two.

    • Kev’ Bryant

      Me too. I tried the games out after they promised dinosaurs vs. lightsabers. They would be fun with friends, but are ultimately forgettable.

  • Aiwass

    I can’t help but picture Activision sitting back in a chair looking like burns, just watching and laughing as the dev derails his own case.

    • Betty Black

      Excellent Smithers excellent, no need to release the hounds, David did this himself

      • Aiwass

        Different Burns.

        • Betty Black

          Napalm Burns

  • Swamp Lobster

    “We’re used to seeing corporations use DMCA rulings to take down videos
    and music uploads, but it’s rare to see an entire videogame torn down
    over a copyright claim.”
    Don’t forget nonprofit fan-projects that aren’t just remixes and wacky flash parodies.

    Yes, I’m still bitter about things like that Bob-Omb Battlefeild fan-remake and Shadow Moses getting shut down, want to fight about it?

  • Zul

    Good job of neutrality, Jim. You showed the whole story and you did it square. You’ve earned your paycheck. Thank God for whoever is paying your ass cause i sure as shit ain’t*.

    *but every day i slightly wish more that i did <3

    • MechaSlinky

      I definitely would if I wasn’t poor as fuck.

      • wvstolzing

        Same here.

  • David Sayers

    Okay, no matter what copyright law says on the matter, making a gun model by adapting various different parts of other gun models is almost inventive enough of an idea for me to give it a pass, but those helmets?! Were you even fucking trying?!

    Like, Star Wars and Overwatch are right now two of the biggest properties in the whole fucking world. How did you figure people weren’t going to notice the similarities? Just what kind of fuckwit thinks they can actually get away with that?!

  • squirrel_killer

    For those who don’t know, the guns that are in question are not based on real guns, they are fictional weapons.

    There is also evidence of assets being outright stolen, as in stolen data.

  • James Glass

    Wow……the guns in Black Ops 3 look generic as fuck.

  • sillyskeleton

    I like how he makes a big deal about how how they didn’t give him a chance to change the infringing content before hitting him with the DMCA claim. That’s like complaining that you were sent to jail before being asked to return the car you stole.

    • Daniel Jensen

      That depends. Don’t take this as me defending the devs here, but did Valve actually make sure that the DMCA was legit before removing the game at Activision’s request? ‘At least car thieves get given a trial before they’re thrown in prison.

      • DWXDX

        Depends what you see as the trial and prison. I see it more as he’s being held without bail as the trial is proceeding, we haven’t reached prison yet.

      • Geers

        It’s a fault with the DMCA system, not Valve.

  • Aidan Long

    I feel this just goes to show that you might want to do some research before you start jumping towards anyone’s side.

    • Scars Unseen

      And having learned that lesson, the Internet never overreacted again.

    • svnhddbst

      the best part, is that the dev is the person that most needs to do that.

      turns out, he just chose not to wait the standard 24 hours for a business reply.

      the situation is solved, activision did exactly as he wanted in their reply that he didn’t wait for.

      he’s batshit crazy, self-destructive, and impatient to a harmful degree.

    • DucksonAPlain

      I wish more people would learn this lesson. I’m sick and tired of seeing that shit every time anyone is accused of anything.

    • Assirra

      People are so obsessed with the whole “little man vs big evil corporation” that they side with the little man even if he is lying his ass off.
      Another example of this is when Kotick called out Tim Shafer and everyone attacked him.
      Later however we seen it being completely true.

      • kilenem saeed

        To befare that was around the time west and Zampala got fired and Activison bought a video game company to stop them from making the DJ game scratch because it wouldve competed against DJ Hero.

  • Sam

    This story in particularly pisses me off. I grew up on Deviant Art, so I guess I have a really short fuse for art/design theft.

  • Drain

    He banned himself from a forum? Why not just stop visiting the forum then. It’s obvious by now this guy is loony.

    But it really makes me wonder why they stole these assets in the first place. If you’re going through the trouble of stealing Activision’s models, and scrambling the pieces to make them look original, then why not just make your own in the first place? Seriously, this was an asset rip, and ripping from Activision, one of the biggest game publishers on the planet, isn’t exactly smart. You could have ripped from any hundred different shitty backwater games on Steam and people probably wouldn’t have noticed. Or you could have taken models from an asset store like unity, which don’t even have copyright.

    • XionEternum

      Because building a reasonable gun model actually takes days. First you have to have concept sketching as a first-draft; then detailed drawings before it ever goes to 3D modeling. And it’s not just one angle; it has to be drawn in multiple angles and with segmented parts for internal composition where needed. Already it’s gone through at least one usually two people. Next is 3D modeling which requires CAD experience. They begin by using w/e techniques best suit their style and modeling program to create the object part by part. Some like to sculpt, others like to reshape, still others like to piece generic shapes together and then reshape and/or sculpt those. This is where having stolen assets saves HUGE amounts of paid man-hours… Once those parts are done being created in 3D modeling they are then attached into a single or group object. In the case of group objects (could be an outdated term – I am a bit old-school) it is an object with several independent parts that can be moved for animation purposes. Now pre-made assets have skipped all but the step where they put the parts together, and in the case of the above; texturing as well. Typically texturing and animations are done by yet another person or two. So ultimately most gun models take at least 3 to 5 people to make, and days worth of man-hours that can total hundreds if not thousands of dollars depending on team size and salaries.

      • Stenly Järnefelt

        Just wanted to compliment your informed reply, felt like I learned something being an aspiring Gamedev myself.

      • M4XVLTG3

        Well spoken

    • Wolfie

      “He banned himself from a forum? Why not just stop visiting the forum then.”

      I can relate. It’s not as easy as it sounds for some of us; we get involved with something, and it’s hard to stop digging the hole because of this feeling of needing to go back to it, even though it isn’t in our best interest. It’s like a personal attack and you feel this overwhelming need to defend yourself.

      It’s an emotional thing; it’s not rational but that’s the point.

  • Martina Veselá

    Isn’t it interesting how people’s social media accounts always get hacked whenever they need to insult the opposition?

    Seriously, this excuse is right up there with “my dog ate my homework”…

    • Dragon Nexus

      That and “Don’t pick on me, I have autism and I can’t help it.”

      • Fallen Prime

        “It’s my first game/video/fanfiction so be nice to me!”

        • Erin von Vengerberg

          “It’s small because it’s cold!”

  • neil_mccauley

    “Orion” and “Oblivion” sound very similar, that is why they borrowed the floating robot thingy. 🙂

  • Jaakko Palm

    It seems like they removed the “offensive items” and Orion is back on steam. If only they would have done this in the first place…

    • Wolfie

      The claim was that they offered but Activision shot it down.

      Whether that’s true or not? Who the fuck knows.

      • svnhddbst

        it’s coming out that, they offered, waited 8 minutes, then flew off the handle, instead waiting the standard 24 hours.

        he exploded his reputation as hard as possible, cause he couldn’t be arsed to wait a bit.

        • Wolfie

          Ah, okay. Thank you. I’m not paying much attention to it because, yeah, it’s a real fucking shitshow.

  • Link Robotnik

    This would be a fantastic Steam Story for a future Jimquisition!

  • Chapomon

    This game looks like a knock off of Destiny with dinosaurs. It’s interesting to see a report on an legitimate DMCA takedown. I wonder how this story will develop now that the game is back up.

  • ScrubMaster

    Ah yes, Reddit, the modern day lynch mob. Defending Activision for justice…. I bet many of them pre-order their games.

    • svnhddbst

      the actual situation is “everyone knows activision are assholes, but they are assholes within the limit of the law… most of the time, this shithead outright stole assets, and abused employees”. this is about how trek AND activision are assholes, but trek broke the law.

      no one supports activision, everyone is against trek.

      • Ultimaniacx4

        Comments like ScrumMaster’s are probably exactly what Trek was counting on too. They know the general hate Activision gets. They were probably planning to hide behind that hate after they got caught from the start.

        • OctopussGrift

          The comments on their post about the event are about half people calling out how they are being shitty and half “Activision are a bunch of big meanies we need to save Trek.” So I would say that it’s almost working.

      • The outlaw Jesse McCree

        With a company like Activision you know you’re getting screwed, plus you have at least time to lube up. This guys just screws people over period.

        • svnhddbst

          also, activision is a “business” which acts for profit. this other psycho was just acting out like a child that never received any good discipline.

    • DucksonAPlain

      It isn’t that anyone is defending Activision, it is that Trek is just garbage. You wouldn’t call Hitler a scumbag for sending a confirmed Rapist to prison, would you?

      • Pocket

        That’s a fitting analogy, since defending said rapist, even successfully, would have done nothing to damage Hitler’s political career. Even if Trek were completely innocent, getting caught sending them bogus takedown claims wouldn’t spell doom for Activision or even land them in real legal trouble, such is the corruption inherent in the system. Probably wouldn’t even cost them a single sale of Call of Duty XVII, since the only people who still buy their games are people who haven’t had any fucks left to give about bad business practices for years.

    • ATBro

      I guess, if you’re into the whole “enemy of my enemy” thing.

  • Yorioto

    Huh? How does it make sense that the community would cover the losses, wouldn’t that be on Activision? I mean, I understand he is trying to scam people, but a ‘Nigerian prince’ who has bad spelling at least tries to come up with a better story.

  • Ultimaniacx4

    Last I checked, this con artist already raised over $1600 off of 75 backers on his indiegogo……All those suckers fell for this scam super hard.

    • Discotech

      And now the dev announces the game is f2p. They really got ripped off.

    • 1100, actually. 500 came from the studio…

      • Ultimaniacx4

        Yeah, I read that a while ago. I hope enough people are reporting on the site.

      • Betty Black

        500 from Studio, 250 form David, leaves a paltry 350 from backers
        All this and now the game is f2p? lol

        • ATBro

          Mathing time. 1600-500-250=850.

          • Betty Black

            you should understand the relevance of the actual time, nice try though, my comment was 2 days ago, fail

          • Betty Black

            Your Math is wrong, my comment was reflecting the numbers of the time and date, not your BS end of numbers

  • Nobody’s Fanboy

    The big question on my mind: How did they get raw Activision meshes? Or did they not, and somebody sat there remaking the pieces by hand?

    If I have to guess,they’re not ripping meshes and textures straight from games…but instead don’t have any artists capable of doing stuff from-scratch, and so take ‘taking inspiration from’ to a whole new level, rebuilding and/or slightly changing stuff they think looks cool.

    • Zotamedu

      There are meshes in the game files and there are various ways to extract them, depending on how much the devs have worked on hiding them. I know one fan made a simple tool to extract meshes and textures from Planetside 2 and people used them to make Machinemas and fan versions of the guns and vehicles. Moders have been extracting meshes and textures for as long as there has been meshes and textures.

      • Anodos

        I used to extract the textures and sound files from Silent Hill to find SEEECCREEETTS!
        Easy as pie.

  • froyton

    My favorite part of this whole thing is that 192.168.212.206 is an IP from Russia. :’)

    • CaitSeith

      How many people fell for it?

      • Discotech

        On just that? Can’t tell. But at least 70+ people fell for his shenanigans because they donated to the IndieGogo.

      • froyton

        I would be curious to know, myself. Probably a handful, at least. I can’t expect everyone to be familiar with basic networking, this Orion dude included.

    • gjgfuj

      What? That’s a LAN address. Whether it’s from russia or not it’s a LAN ADDRESS. i.e. not a public one. the 192.168.x.x space is LAN addresses. Do you not know IP?

      • froyton

        I was mocking the guy’s claim that it was a Russian IP. You could be forgiven for not catching my sarcasm, although personally I thought the emoticon made it obvious.

        I’m kind of taken aback by the patronizing tone of yours, though, not least since I’ve spent the last ten years as a network/sysadmin. I’ve done vlan trunking, for crying out loud. I mean, it’s not your fault, it was just a simple misunderstanding, but it just stung a little reading that last sentence of yours.

  • CaitSeith

    And are you saying that the takedown just happened in June 27th? And all this drama happened in two days!?

    That must be a new record!

    • svnhddbst

      this started and ended within 24 hours.

  • Discotech

    Speaking of the Indiegogo campaign. That was shady, and their donations to themselves, strange. But what really blows my lid is that now the game is going f2p. Despite all thedevs insistance that keeping the dollar entry tag would keep out toxic players and help them fund development, now they are saying they need no money at all. They can subsist from microtransactions. Just a few more dishonest things from the dev.

    I realize they did this to get players, because frankly I doubt anyone is going to pay for the game in the future. And the game is really marketed toward a prepubescent crowd. They are easier to trick. Yet, at the same time it’s like a real punch in the face to those who donated on the indiegogo. And any of those who bought the game for any amount of money. It feela like the dev just wanted a bit of extra cash and manipulated the younger players for it.

    Compensation is going to be 1usd in in game cash (maybe one helmet).

    This dev seriously deserves to be on the scumbag list.

    • Drakkenmensch

      Donating to yourself is astroturfing your scam. It’s the same thing as having your accomplices give positive testimony to prove that your pyramid scheme does pay and is on the level to sucker in more marks.

  • ENAY

    “crowdfunding the damage costs directly from the community,”

    Reading this part. Is this the real world?

    d2p, damage 2 pay! The new way of funding your game. Rip off stuff, have a fit, then get the sympathy vote.

    • Now, to be fair, they were not the first ones to try to pull this off. the previous ones… something, something, virtual murder, something.

  • Assirra

    The part that really got me was first threatening everyone on reddit followed up by “i got hacked, here is proof” while still showing the same connection.
    Did he really think nobody would notice this?

    • The desperation of a cornered animal

  • A. Minch

    I don’t for a second thing he was being completely upstanding, and from the little I’ve read, he’s a scummy scam artist/manipulator and I’ve got no problem with him getting what’s coming to him. That said, speaking SOLELY towards the gun models, I don’t think that’s very damning. They obviously were inspired by BO3, but they are still significantly different, and he didn’t flat out just drag and drop the BO3 gun models from that game and into his game – he textured them differently and made slight tweaks, and after all this, used small portions of the “inspired by” textures in several models instead of all in the same gun. For me, this isn’t a problem – they are different enough that I wouldn’t say he flat out STOLE everything about them. But this is just a minor contrivance after all the other more serious bullshit he’s done. Between the indiegogo and kickstarter, the censorship, and a history full of shady shit he’s got more than enough evidence against him without stolen gun model accusations.

  • Steve Walsh

    the people who worked to exonerate activision are still assholes

    • TheHoundHalf

      Why? Because you don’t personally like the company? That doesn’t mean they’re always in the wrong.

  • svnhddbst

    just letting everyone know, activision’s whole goal with the dmca, was purely the removal of the offending gun models, and they told trek industries roughly around the standard response time for big businesses to do so. activision conducted themselves the way most people would expect a normal business to act.

    trek behaved like a petulant child: SOMEONE TOOK MY THING… THEY WON’T TELL ME WHY THEY TOOK THE THINGS…. HOW DARE THEY EVERYONE GO ATTACK THEM… HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF THINGS…. YOUR EVIDENCE IS LIES ALL LIES. jim’s done joke versions of this before.

  • Agent Smith

    Well, maybe Trek should quit game making and start making Youtube videos instead, I’m sure they’ll be safe from copyright claims there.
    Sorry, I just can’t get over the fact that a developer is finally having to deal with the bullsh*t you video makers have been dealing with for years, and are making it out like this has only ever happened to them.

    • It’s not quite the same, though. People on YouTube are using copyrighted material in fair use, such as producing reviews, parodies, or educational material. This guy took models from another game, Frankensteined them together, and put them in a game he was trying to sell. The YouTube videos make it clear where the copyrighted material comes from and give credit where credit is due. Here, we, the potential customers, were made to believe that the content of the game was wholly original when it was not.

      • Agent Smith

        That’s exactly my point.

        • Gareth

          But they are two entirely different situations. Once is usage under fair use. The other is someone stealing someone else’s work and getting rumbled for it.

  • Jill Sandwich

    They look like plastic bootleg toy guns.

  • Cameron Ward

    well, that’s a slow car wreck happening. its horrible, but you can’t look away….

  • Jean-Francois Forsey

    Here is the latest: “Last night I received evidence directly from Activision regarding assets not even mentioned in public yet. Upon receiving this it became immediately apparent that blatant rips were made. While the artist offered to remake any assets at no cost, he has now been fired immediately upon learning this.”

    What a goddamn spineless coward

    • Betty Black

      The story on STEAM is, they already fired this artist in 2013, and re-hired him as a different name? Seems a little too suspicious tbh

  • Ragnarokia

    My first response when I noticed what that person said was to feel like Activision were in the wrong (as usual) but it did seem odd, so I waited for more info. And boy am I glad I waited for more info. Since Activision were right about this one~

    What a horrible person this developer is. Not content with lying he goes on to try and get money from people with fundraising using those lies, he deserves Activision sueing him.

  • Retroduck

    I almost bought Orion, glad I didn’t.

  • Kim Rognø

    Base game COSTs 0.50$, but the elite-package is 84 USD??? for a Early Access?? for some cosmetics that makes you look like a NCR Desert Ranger? and som ingame credits. that is a huge disparity..

    • Betty Black

      No P2W, more like Pay2Rape, he is actually taking advantage of the “Not too bright”, who the hell pays this much for cosmetic in game purchases?

      • Darkk1dd0

        Im sorry, your not from around here are you?, well, over there is TF2, and to your left you will see our main attraction CS:GO. any questions?

        • Betty Black

          weaksauce sh1troll am i rite? getting memey with it

        • Betty Black

          That’s nice dear

  • Naruque

    Dear lord

  • Johnny Wilson

    Yes, like all the people who’ve posted pictures of their cock on Twitter, they’ve all been hacked haven’t they?

    On a much more serious note, if it were not bad enough that Prassel attempted to steal from hard working developers and deceive fans, he has also weakened the case of any other developer who encounters these sort of difficulties going forward.

    Good will is by no means a bottomless well and once drawn to exhaustion it takes a damned long time to be replenished, make no mistake, in the current climate it would take only a few such instances for people to look on indie and small time developers with cynicism and suspicion rather than the more usual enthusiasm we reserve for our starving artist darlings.

    Shame on you, sir, shame.

    • Betty Black

      He named and shamed a certain artist (personally I think doesn’t exist) on STEAM trying to discredit all their work, before all this fiasco, David said the guns were “homages” prior to DMCA, suddenly their “unknown stolen assets” made by an artist they fired in 2013 for the same thing and re-hired under a different name only to be rehired?

      It was a Russian hacker your honor

  • Thanatos

    With the amount of backpedaling he’s doing he could have run a marathon backwards.

    • Betty Black

      Remember when Lois Lane died in Superman? Superman went nuts and spun the world backwards to make it go back in time? That’s what David is trying to do with his “back pedaling”

  • Paul

    Good job dude. You beat Activision at being shit to your community and at getting the internet mad. What’s your secret?

  • The Maphio

    I gotta say, I kind of changed my mind about the whole situation as well after seeing the pieces of proof exposed by the community.
    And I don’t know if Jim published this after my headsup or he already knew, but my being 100% quite biasedly anti-activision (fuck them still) makes me feel quite dumb right now.

    • DynamiteDan

      Dude, you admitted you were wrong, that puts you above about 90% of the internet! 😉

  • edwardo

    well, i got no stock in either game, but i am a 3d artist, and the major gun in question is a little similar, , but, heres the but, they both appear to be kit bashes, many parts from differing kits put together, its used a lot, the robot is sus, but im pretty sure both the COD and the Orion weapon both contain elements from an artist called Vitaly Bulgarov, who creates some of the sexiest topology known to man(he sells these kits for people to do exactly this), my 2 pence worth, but in this day and age i dont think you can copyright or care about weapon or Armour forms, we all watched th same films, we all watch the same tv shows, we are always gonna end up with everything having elements of all previous incarnations of the idea, not sticking up for either, i sorta think that more games is better and more competition for the 12 yr olds favourite fps aint gonna hurt noone, And just before i go, when people learn to sculpt these assets for games, there are only a finite amount of very good tutorials to work with, so everyone starts trying to emulate the people who are teaching them, this seems like maybe the asset equivalent of fan fiction maybe

    • Jack Carter

      Agreed, being a 3d artist myself its highly improbable to come out with something entirely unique because half of what is created is subconsciously referenced from things you’ve seen and frankly a lot of crazy things have already been made just due to the volume of creative works out there. The amount of times I made something I thought had a unique edge to and found someone saying it looks a bit like “something or other”. (Not to mention as you said theres only so many tutorials even from the best websites and channels to help you learn.)

      I have no dog in this fight either but I am interested to see how this turns out because if it is just a case of coincidence and were original works that happen to look similar we’ll have to be a lot more careful going forward when producing 3D assets. Whether its a case of protection for our designs/styles or the lack there of in such a transformative medium.

      • edwardo

        nail on the head there, i totally didnt expect to a get a reply, or b that reply to be intelligent, well done sir,

        • Jack Carter

          Cheers 🙂 Well you brought up interesting points that could become the root of a lot of these issues that may come in the future.

          • Matthias Lochmann

            I am a 3D artist as well, while i agree that similarities can happen… it clearly was not in this case. It’s blatant copies, simple as that, and that down to the mm on the sizes of the parts, and that happens only if you: Accurately rebuild the part down to the mm, or you imported it from CoD.

    • Kojiro Ame Kamex

      Tough, if they have bought kits or assets from someone, why wouldn’t they simply say so?
      Also from going through the images, they look “nifskoped” to me (don’t know how it’s called elsewhere, in Fallout 3/NV a nifskoped weapon is one, were parts of existing weapons are taken and combined to a new one, usualy it is made clear, that the weapons are nifskoped and Bethesda/Obisidian seem to be cool with it)

      One question would be, how “nifskoping” is viewed legaly, when you haven’t gotten the rights in using the base assets in the way needed (for FO3/NV, you are allowed to reuse the assets from the game in a new manner wihtin the game and redistribute the product of that i.e. as a mod), if it is considered a derivative work.